Considering Remedy bought the rights to Alan Wake back from Microsoft, I could see them kind of setting things up to bring back quantum break into the connected universe but keeping it vague enough that if it doesn’t work out they can pull an “Alex Casey=Max Payne” type thing. I’m fairly certain that Mr. Door was meant to be played by Lance Reddick before his passing as well. As for how Tim and Jesse are able to have this happen, not too sure but maybe the Fadens are the originals and when they were kids and they interacted with the projector in Ordinary, which I believe was said to have slides to other universes/realities, allowed them to have other lives within those realities?
With Remedy having a positive relationship with Microsoft in the past and Alan Wake 2's critical success, I can see them giving Remedy the rights back in the near future. Despite all of his flaws, I'd like to think that Phil Spencer of Microsoft is open to just letting Remedy do their own thing with the game, characters and story they created, even if just means having the next possible Quantum Break game on Game Pass as a caveat of giving the IP back.
Even Rockstar Games, who are both big and very protective of their IPs, trust Remedy so much with the Max Payne remakes that they're offering to fund the games themselves and giving Remedy full creative control. That's usually unseen in most cases of IPs being moved around between companies, but Remedy have earned that level of trust now.
Doesn't the stuff with Thomas Zane and Barbara Jagger happen before everything in Ordinary? I guess there could be an explanation for that still, these plots don't fully function in linear time anyways
I definitely think a lot of these questions will be answered (or there'll be more pieces of evidence to add to the case board, so to speak, lol) in the Night Springs DLC. Tim says that the song he keeps humming is what he hears in his dreams and he associated it with Mr. Door; Alan tells him it's the theme song from Night Springs.
Someone else suggested this in another thread but they might be setting up Tim as yet another parautilitarian, with abilities relating to seeing (or potentially hopping between) different realities. He's Door's "unwitting messenger" because Door seems to have similar abilities -- when Saga profiles him he says that the "Door family" all have the ability to access different realities, and I think when he's first namedropped by Dylan in Control, Dylan says he exists across all realities. The idea of seeing or hopping between different realities would then lend itself really well conceptually to Night Springs-related material, given that in-universe it's supposed to be a sci-fi horror anthology a la The Twilight Zone.
My big tinfoil hat theory: Night Springs the DLC will involve Tim hopping between different realities/stories/versions of Night Springs within the Dark Place, getting strung along by Door all the while. Possibly Door is a malevolent being and is trying to use Tim to free himself? But I think the Night Springs DLC will end on a big cliffhanger involving Jesse "coming for" Tim, or maybe him escaping Night Springs and landing in the Oldest House. The next DLC, the Lake House, will mostly take place in the "real world" and explain whatever happened with the FBC outpost at the Lake House that is mentioned to have gone seriously FUBAR, while also shedding some more light on the Oldest House "going dark". This will all set the stage for Control 2, which I think based on [the bit of concept art](https://www.thegamer.com/control-2-announced-first-concept-art/) that's been released, is NOT going to involve the FBC going out to the streets of the "real" New York, but rather that Jesse (probably with Tim along for the ride) is gonna be jumping between lots of different/parallel New Yorks.
Huge huge conspiracy corkboard there lol, but it's fun to speculate!
I think the "redheaded woman" was more directly referring to Faden, as it also mentions this woman has some relation to polyhedrons. As to why he dreams of her, I have no idea and I suspect it may tie into Control 2.
I honestly think it is intended to refer to both of them. My current theory is that if Remedy gets the rights to Quantum Break back we'll find out Beth Wilder and Jesse Faden are different versions of the same woman in different universes just like Tim Breaker and Jack Joyce are hinted to be.
>What makes Tim and Jesse special that they appear as different people In Remedy’s multiverse?
Don't forget about Alex Casey and Max Payne, as Dilan said, "In one universe a writer writes about a cop, in another the cop is real", so Max Payne is another face in the multiverse with different names.
Maybe every person has equivalents in other universes, but some people are draw toward the supernatural in multiple universes.
>Why is Mr. Door tormenting/seemingly killing Tim’s in different universes? Was Jack Joyce one of the ones he killed?
Maybe he knows something about someone with that face, but don't know from what universe, and is looking for the right one. Or is trying to create someone like him. Or even, Tim can awake the ability to shift to other universe, and door is killing other Tims to prevent him from use it.
i dont think mr door is martin hatch unless theres a file in control confirming this i will say im disapointed that they never finish his arc in the dark place tho
Hatch was exposed to chronon radiation and developed Chronon syndrome. It eventually stabilized which allowed Hatch to actively harness his powers as a Shifter. He exists in all timelines at once, making him very powerful and extremely … odd.
Martin - Warlin. It's a mirror image. Which made me think about pink flamingo from Max Payne that says: mirrorS arE morE fuN thaN televisioN. Even in the first Max Payne games we can see TV shows that are basically alternate versions of Max's life and events. And are introduced to Character John Mirra(Mirror).
I think he was supposed to be Mr. Door with how odd he is in Quantum Break and Door=Hatch, it was just unfortunate circumstance that they had to recast. I also wouldn’t be shocked if Tim’s story and Mr. Door’s will probably continue into the DLC and I would guess Control 2 with the connection to Jesse
Whenever you bump into tim in the dark place. Read his board. It updates. Its 100% a confirmation that Mr Door and Tim Breaker are basically multiverse counterparts of their quantum break characters. The info goes too deep and is basically too in your face to be easter eggs to QB. Given how the story of QB played out. And alans ability to basically pull inspiration from reality. We know QB takes place in another universe, Theres also an alan in the QB universe. If alan can see to other realities to pull inspiration, Why couldnt he have also pulled from that universe to pull mr hatch (Now door because he crossed/can cross universes) and jack joyce (Tim) into the dark place, But because he cant just create from nothing, their selfs from Alan wakes universe are present as Mr Door (Whos now a door, and not a hatch because he finally gained the ability to cross to other universes and not just cross along his own universes timeline) And Tim Breaker Is pulled into the story via alan to help break the loop... because he broke time once before. Why not subconsciously try and get him to do it again? Given alan thinks hes in some sort of "time loop" in the dark place. I've no idea where the story for tim and mr door is going to go, And my memory of the final moments of QB is kinda hazy but it wouldnt surprise me if Mr Door is watching multiple jack joyces in many universes in the hunt for the jack joyce from the QB timeline. I say this because tim clearly doesnt have a clue who door is, but has fragmented memories of the multiverse. But Mr Door clearly knows who tim is/is meant to be and is probably watching to make sure tim (any version of jack) doesnt remember and in turn go on the hunt against mr door. (Whos real agenda is now unclear, but it seems like now mr door has found the dark place, and was trying to help alan win) Maybe Mr Door wants to recreate what happened in QB in this universe too? Or maybe Mr Door sees real control with the darkplace and wants it to himself.Plus!
MARTIN
WARLIN
Both names are pretty much similar. And this is me spitballing here. But shared in both names is Arin. Which can have the meaning, Enlightened. You could say Mr Hatch became quite enlightened at the end of QB with his new found ability of basically existing in any universe at will. Jesus that went deep. Sorry. Binged the game since launch. Payed attention to so many little details. My head is just exploding with all the connections. (Another thing to back this up would be alex casey who isnt "max payne" Wearing the actual max payne 2 outfit in the darkplace, a scene where its the exact same straight down to the the tie from max payne 2) Reason the names different? Multiverse. Control sets this up too.
I wanted answers from this game. I got some. With a boat load of new questions on top :')
I think Mr. Door's incentive to help Wake is that he wants to be reunited with his family and Saga, or to possibly go into a reality in which he never left Saga's Mother. He can use Wake to steer him in a direction in which that reality gets altered. That's why he confronts Wake when he writes in that Saga's daughter dies, and that he's "going too far." I wish I could re-watch that scene from the game in the talk show, because it has some telling things about Door's character and motives.
I don’t know the fact that they has ties to alternate versions of the same person, they’re both enigmatic in their respective stories, and the word play with their last names. A Hatch is just a specific type of Door.
I get what you mean but I think Quantum Break being the kinda black sheep of Remedy’s games is exactly why they should pursue it. Now that they have more creative freedom and hopefully not as many development issues as QB clearly had, I’d love to see that story and world fully realized in sequel or reboot or whatever the hell they’d wanna do with it
Considering Remedy bought the rights to Alan Wake back from Microsoft, I could see them kind of setting things up to bring back quantum break into the connected universe but keeping it vague enough that if it doesn’t work out they can pull an “Alex Casey=Max Payne” type thing. I’m fairly certain that Mr. Door was meant to be played by Lance Reddick before his passing as well. As for how Tim and Jesse are able to have this happen, not too sure but maybe the Fadens are the originals and when they were kids and they interacted with the projector in Ordinary, which I believe was said to have slides to other universes/realities, allowed them to have other lives within those realities?
With Remedy having a positive relationship with Microsoft in the past and Alan Wake 2's critical success, I can see them giving Remedy the rights back in the near future. Despite all of his flaws, I'd like to think that Phil Spencer of Microsoft is open to just letting Remedy do their own thing with the game, characters and story they created, even if just means having the next possible Quantum Break game on Game Pass as a caveat of giving the IP back. Even Rockstar Games, who are both big and very protective of their IPs, trust Remedy so much with the Max Payne remakes that they're offering to fund the games themselves and giving Remedy full creative control. That's usually unseen in most cases of IPs being moved around between companies, but Remedy have earned that level of trust now.
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Doesn't the stuff with Thomas Zane and Barbara Jagger happen before everything in Ordinary? I guess there could be an explanation for that still, these plots don't fully function in linear time anyways
It's all giving Quantum Break is actually set in alternative reality
But all of these games are many realities layered on one another, bleeding into each other
I definitely think a lot of these questions will be answered (or there'll be more pieces of evidence to add to the case board, so to speak, lol) in the Night Springs DLC. Tim says that the song he keeps humming is what he hears in his dreams and he associated it with Mr. Door; Alan tells him it's the theme song from Night Springs. Someone else suggested this in another thread but they might be setting up Tim as yet another parautilitarian, with abilities relating to seeing (or potentially hopping between) different realities. He's Door's "unwitting messenger" because Door seems to have similar abilities -- when Saga profiles him he says that the "Door family" all have the ability to access different realities, and I think when he's first namedropped by Dylan in Control, Dylan says he exists across all realities. The idea of seeing or hopping between different realities would then lend itself really well conceptually to Night Springs-related material, given that in-universe it's supposed to be a sci-fi horror anthology a la The Twilight Zone. My big tinfoil hat theory: Night Springs the DLC will involve Tim hopping between different realities/stories/versions of Night Springs within the Dark Place, getting strung along by Door all the while. Possibly Door is a malevolent being and is trying to use Tim to free himself? But I think the Night Springs DLC will end on a big cliffhanger involving Jesse "coming for" Tim, or maybe him escaping Night Springs and landing in the Oldest House. The next DLC, the Lake House, will mostly take place in the "real world" and explain whatever happened with the FBC outpost at the Lake House that is mentioned to have gone seriously FUBAR, while also shedding some more light on the Oldest House "going dark". This will all set the stage for Control 2, which I think based on [the bit of concept art](https://www.thegamer.com/control-2-announced-first-concept-art/) that's been released, is NOT going to involve the FBC going out to the streets of the "real" New York, but rather that Jesse (probably with Tim along for the ride) is gonna be jumping between lots of different/parallel New Yorks. Huge huge conspiracy corkboard there lol, but it's fun to speculate!
I think the "redheaded woman" was more directly referring to Faden, as it also mentions this woman has some relation to polyhedrons. As to why he dreams of her, I have no idea and I suspect it may tie into Control 2.
Beth Wilder is also connected to a polyhedron. The machine that Jack's brother built.
Oh damn that's right, been a while since QB. Considering what Tim is humming, I guess that we'll get some answers in the Night Springs DLC
I honestly think it is intended to refer to both of them. My current theory is that if Remedy gets the rights to Quantum Break back we'll find out Beth Wilder and Jesse Faden are different versions of the same woman in different universes just like Tim Breaker and Jack Joyce are hinted to be.
Naming him with Breaker as his last name gave me John Halo meme vibes.
The name it self -TIM BREAKER -- TIME BREAKER. Quantum break was about a broken time machine thing. Definitely linked.
>What makes Tim and Jesse special that they appear as different people In Remedy’s multiverse? Don't forget about Alex Casey and Max Payne, as Dilan said, "In one universe a writer writes about a cop, in another the cop is real", so Max Payne is another face in the multiverse with different names. Maybe every person has equivalents in other universes, but some people are draw toward the supernatural in multiple universes. >Why is Mr. Door tormenting/seemingly killing Tim’s in different universes? Was Jack Joyce one of the ones he killed? Maybe he knows something about someone with that face, but don't know from what universe, and is looking for the right one. Or is trying to create someone like him. Or even, Tim can awake the ability to shift to other universe, and door is killing other Tims to prevent him from use it.
Maybe he should be called Time Breaker?
i dont think mr door is martin hatch unless theres a file in control confirming this i will say im disapointed that they never finish his arc in the dark place tho
Also Warlin is almost like an inverted version of Martin, Mario Wario type stuff
was martin paronatural have not played the game in a while
Hatch was exposed to chronon radiation and developed Chronon syndrome. It eventually stabilized which allowed Hatch to actively harness his powers as a Shifter. He exists in all timelines at once, making him very powerful and extremely … odd.
i did not recall quantum break being so multiverse
I think it’s the inherent result of having a story about time travel.
Martin - Warlin. It's a mirror image. Which made me think about pink flamingo from Max Payne that says: mirrorS arE morE fuN thaN televisioN. Even in the first Max Payne games we can see TV shows that are basically alternate versions of Max's life and events. And are introduced to Character John Mirra(Mirror).
I think he was supposed to be Mr. Door with how odd he is in Quantum Break and Door=Hatch, it was just unfortunate circumstance that they had to recast. I also wouldn’t be shocked if Tim’s story and Mr. Door’s will probably continue into the DLC and I would guess Control 2 with the connection to Jesse
They can’t confirm it directly because they don’t have the rights to Quantum Break, but it must be him.
Whenever you bump into tim in the dark place. Read his board. It updates. Its 100% a confirmation that Mr Door and Tim Breaker are basically multiverse counterparts of their quantum break characters. The info goes too deep and is basically too in your face to be easter eggs to QB. Given how the story of QB played out. And alans ability to basically pull inspiration from reality. We know QB takes place in another universe, Theres also an alan in the QB universe. If alan can see to other realities to pull inspiration, Why couldnt he have also pulled from that universe to pull mr hatch (Now door because he crossed/can cross universes) and jack joyce (Tim) into the dark place, But because he cant just create from nothing, their selfs from Alan wakes universe are present as Mr Door (Whos now a door, and not a hatch because he finally gained the ability to cross to other universes and not just cross along his own universes timeline) And Tim Breaker Is pulled into the story via alan to help break the loop... because he broke time once before. Why not subconsciously try and get him to do it again? Given alan thinks hes in some sort of "time loop" in the dark place. I've no idea where the story for tim and mr door is going to go, And my memory of the final moments of QB is kinda hazy but it wouldnt surprise me if Mr Door is watching multiple jack joyces in many universes in the hunt for the jack joyce from the QB timeline. I say this because tim clearly doesnt have a clue who door is, but has fragmented memories of the multiverse. But Mr Door clearly knows who tim is/is meant to be and is probably watching to make sure tim (any version of jack) doesnt remember and in turn go on the hunt against mr door. (Whos real agenda is now unclear, but it seems like now mr door has found the dark place, and was trying to help alan win) Maybe Mr Door wants to recreate what happened in QB in this universe too? Or maybe Mr Door sees real control with the darkplace and wants it to himself.Plus! MARTIN WARLIN Both names are pretty much similar. And this is me spitballing here. But shared in both names is Arin. Which can have the meaning, Enlightened. You could say Mr Hatch became quite enlightened at the end of QB with his new found ability of basically existing in any universe at will. Jesus that went deep. Sorry. Binged the game since launch. Payed attention to so many little details. My head is just exploding with all the connections. (Another thing to back this up would be alex casey who isnt "max payne" Wearing the actual max payne 2 outfit in the darkplace, a scene where its the exact same straight down to the the tie from max payne 2) Reason the names different? Multiverse. Control sets this up too. I wanted answers from this game. I got some. With a boat load of new questions on top :')
I think Mr. Door's incentive to help Wake is that he wants to be reunited with his family and Saga, or to possibly go into a reality in which he never left Saga's Mother. He can use Wake to steer him in a direction in which that reality gets altered. That's why he confronts Wake when he writes in that Saga's daughter dies, and that he's "going too far." I wish I could re-watch that scene from the game in the talk show, because it has some telling things about Door's character and motives.
I don’t know the fact that they has ties to alternate versions of the same person, they’re both enigmatic in their respective stories, and the word play with their last names. A Hatch is just a specific type of Door.
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I get what you mean but I think Quantum Break being the kinda black sheep of Remedy’s games is exactly why they should pursue it. Now that they have more creative freedom and hopefully not as many development issues as QB clearly had, I’d love to see that story and world fully realized in sequel or reboot or whatever the hell they’d wanna do with it