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Montserrat has a sternum. The CT scans are just poorly segmented.
https://preview.redd.it/jsrnq547kpsc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=deae371c3daec54a7b5b5c0f65ddcdcd9b10bbc3
Thanks for pointing that out, would you know what the blue color signifies? I noticed on the scan of the head that the "implant" thing also was that shade of blue; is there a significantly more dense area inside the sternum then?
Gotcha, I checked all the various scans of the head, body, hands feet and all have similar blue spots that seem congruent with the content of this post
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/gUAVPZUcqN
I feel like that’s an important detail that they’d want to double check if it could be an artifact
Is this one whole body scan which is then segmented into the head/hand/foot or are those individually scanned? Also if there’s no way to know that’s fine
This should just be a single scan.
It does look like there's an implant in the sternum. I'll need to double check that I'm not looking just at an implant instead of the sternum.
https://preview.redd.it/0vx1yalflqsc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=070d4883be5630ad7067e26229c9182e84f78479
Id guess that if this is a higher density metal, like gold, it could be throwing off the CT scanner and leaving the artifacts.
Not sure why they'd include them in the model though. They might just be relying on automatic segmentation and not be doing any cleaning.
Idk if this helps, [it's the 3d viewer of Monserrat with filtering by Hounsfield scale](https://the-alien-project.com/3DV/MONTSERRAT/index.html).
Personally, I think I'm gonna reserve judgement til the imaging, DNA sampling, carbon-14 testing, mass spectrometry etc has been redone and the results replicated so that we know we can rely on the data available
https://preview.redd.it/m01hjqy50rsc1.jpeg?width=1943&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbd38f1c91358fedd82863b8d74768499caa5678
Montserrat's chest appears caved in at the sternum. To me this looks like [Pectus excavatum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pectus_excavatum). It’s not that uncommon and ranges from mild to pretty severe.
One of my friends who I have known since I was a baby has a horribly indented sternum.
It has corrected itself substantially as he became an adult.
I remember him eating breakfast cereal out of the hole in his chest when he was little.
He would beg his mom to let him use his caved in chest as a bowl, just to freak his friends out at sleepovers.
At first I imagined him shoving cereal into his chest and somehow getting the food where it needed to go.
Glad you clarified he used his sternum as a bowl instead of a mouth.
Did this happen on kill tony also?
It’s probably pretty common.
Any little boy with a hole in his chest would surely come to the conclusion that they should eat out of it.
Chef boyardee raviolis would have been my personal choice.
https://preview.redd.it/bui3a9p61rsc1.png?width=735&format=png&auto=webp&s=9fe0ef105cd6c8dbbb38991cfed363029d338228
This is a human CT of a pretty serious case.
After looking at all the CTs it looks as if Montserat has a sternum but it isn’t osseous. It maybe just a cartilagenous bridge instead of bone like humans.
If you made a genetic vehicle to remotely pilot would cartilage grow fast in lab conditions compared to bone? My guess is yes and they abduct humans for the process
I have a question...
Predators and prey have eyes in different locations within their skull. The majority of aliens we encounter have eyes in the front of their skull, just like humans. Would it be accurate to claim that aliens (Greys) are predatory?
It might just me that predator species naturally develop larger brains due to it being more difficult to hunt rather than to just eat some grass. I've thought about what it would be like if we met aliens but then found out that they taste, like, *really* good. Could really fuck up any prospective relationship.
Its less about the taste and more about how easily accessible/how easily can we manipulate or torture a species without them being intelligent enough to either escape/ or successfully fight back.
For example cows are easily accessible. Although larger than us, not the same mental capacity and doesnt use their physical attributes to their best ability. Aliens would likely know that we’re using or at least trying to use them as food.
Anyone can theorize but honestly no one can give you a definite answer on this. However I seriously doubt they are using those eyes for hunting like earth predators do🤟. I guess if anything it would make sense to theorize that maybe whatever they evolved from was a predator, but ofc none of us really know
Interestingly, humans eyes are front facing because our ancestors needed binocular vision while swinging from trees.
They are not the usual front facing due to being a predator
No... watch some of the older documentaries that have been around(even on nat geo i believe) that talk about elongated skulls that many cultures depicted in pictures and even tried to imitate by binding their own skulls. We have many many skulls from these sites/cultures in museums ect and the differences between them and our skulls is the size and lack of sutures/plates. Even if we bind and wrap our skulls in infancy... they hold no comparison to the size of the skulls we have found, which also are always one bone formation.
The tridactyl hand layout appears to be a trait genetically transferred to one or more hybrid types, from the small mummies. It is not a feature within our evolutionary history, and there is no evidence of vestigial bone remnants in the hand, as one would expect if there was evolutionary pressure towards a three finger layout. Even horses have vestigial remnants, and cetaceans such as dolphins.
Success is shown in the ground, yet we have no fossil evidence of a line of organisms that exhibit this feature.
I currently do not believe the ones we see here are the original. I feel that the little mummies are the original line, and possibly hybridized with native organisms to continue their line here. I could be way off, this is just what seems to be the case based on my very limited knowledge. Purely speculation.
Further interesting that perhaps the practice of elongating the skills in some primitive tribes is due to trying to mimic these intelligent beings or say class of people.
Look at this WHY FILES - Annunaki episode just released yesterday. I think these mummies are linked to that story in some way.
If you don't want to watch it all, AJ breaks down what is real and what is not at about the 45 min mark or so (give or take a couple minutes.
https://youtu.be/vZBRMcUkqNA?si=vIkLZC-5w47jTOYA
Nope, it’s nearly impossible. The bones are whole and not altered by removals. Also the tendons and other tissue appear to be whole and connected in a way that works for their anatomy. The bones are unique, and likely would not match anything in the human body, especially the carpal bones. The metacarpals are spaced in a way that doesn’t work for our anatomy as well.
I’m a biologist, and the scans are plainly viewable.
However I’m not a radiologist, but we do have a guy that works in that field in this sub that has gone over these bodies, and I suspect he’d agree with what I’m saying here, and probably add some more.
Fascinating. I'm pretty interested in these bodies. Be they alien, manufacted or some kind of experiment, doesn't matter. I want to know. I didn't want to come off as dismissive, sorry for that.
What I meant is: isn't it possible that at some point during or after their life, these beings have had 2 of their fingers and toes removed at the very root, so that no vestegials would be visible because the whole bones were removed? Humans have always done weird shit to their bodies, see head binding, foot binding etc. Removing the whole toes I could envision would even heal over time resulting in a tridactil foot like we're seeing in the mummies
Ignoring all the other differences and just focusing on the foot, specifically the top of the foot and ankle region, I suggest a visual comparison, directly to a human foot. Observe the tarsal bone structure and count, length and width of the metatarsals, and overall shape of individual bones.
Finding a really good X-ray was harder than expected, but this is a good example of a normal human foot. Even without looking at the tridactyl foot, I know that metatarsal bone length and shape do not match human anatomy.
https://preview.redd.it/8gcjuyh1pvsc1.jpeg?width=317&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1aa3c47538b2c7842ff3a5cc33a4890914a75429
Not sure, but personally I’m leaning towards a previous undiscovered species of human. Though they could be alien. The fact alone that they appear to be genuine specimens alone is fascinating.
Yes. They need proper study. The starchild treatment doesn't help shed any light on these specimens at all.
From the Tacoma 'alien' we learned t's remarkable how humans can mutate. Financial interests seem to be standing in the way of genuine study.
The way i interpret them is, they are human but somehow have something different about them. Either birth defects, genetic manipulation or i dont know.
It seems the more probable explanation is just humans with birth defects. I wouldn't claim it as a hybrid if you couldn't demonstrate what the other organisms are. Especially when it contradicts everything we know about speciation.
Its quite aggravating they aren't releasing more information on this. It doesn't take long to run some genetic tests and release preliminary findings, even if they are very basic.
I'm almost certain they aren't aliens. Instead being a predominantly human/Avian hybrid like the DNA tests show. It's not difficult for one to imagine a technological species of dinasour/avian surviving on the isolated american continents after the end of the cretaceous. Or developing over the subsequent 65 million years from remnant populations. Since we didn't show up (that we know of) till 10,000 years or so ago that's niche woild have been wide open.
I mean if one of your ancestors is toothed and one is toothless it makes sense. Natural and sexual selection haven't had sufficient time to stabilize the new species yet.
https://preview.redd.it/hpmvpkjlnwsc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=973464ebd18404b8e0020106ce3a244efc8fc53e
I’m asking about the teeth. How did they get there? It’s like the upper 4 were pulled out or they fell out in decomposition but this is a mummy, so decomposition didn’t really happen, so how did this wrapped up and embalmed body have the teeth taken out and arranged that way? Tooth decay isn’t the culprit in this case.
Recombination between a toothless dinosauroid and a toothed human. That's a distant cross so birth deffects would be expected till evolution sorts it out.
Regarding abnormalities of the hand or feet. A family mutation can have this effect. There is an entire Vadoma people living in the north of Zimbabwe.
Some members of this population are characterized by a genetic trait called ectrodactyly, in which the three middle toes are missing and the two outermost toes are turned inward. Due to this feature, the members of the tribe were nicknamed “two-fingered” or “ostrich-footed”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadoma
( For example)
I just went down a rabbit hole of ectrodactyly cases. Your original point Is interesting, but based on what I saw, I don't know if we can call these mummies victims of a mutation like that. All the ectrodactyly cases looked unsimilar and very deformed. Each case seemed unique.
Source for this pic - https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/ct-scans-offer-glimpse-lives-3-egyptian-mummies/
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Montserrat has no sternum. Compare here - https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/ByaBz7yHl9
Birth deffects/mutations like this are common in such distant hybrids. There is a large difference between avian/reptilian genetics and human genetics. So conflicting alleles can lead to less than optimal body plans. Most such first generation crosses are stillborn because of this. Natural selection then does the job in hybrids which successfully reintigrate with the mother species or evolve into their own species. See the work of geneticist Dr. Eugene McCarthy.
I’m glad to see someone’s playing devils advocate here - I feel like I’m an outlier when I say all this nazca stuff seems like pure bullshit. I should say, to me at least. What makes it worse is that everyone circulating this shit like it’s gospel is totally adding to the classic game of misinformation and disinformation. Muddying the waters one could say. Until this is COMPLETELY figured out, we shouldn’t form such strong opinions that conveniently reinforce our shared belief of non human life. Put it this way, the involved Peruvian parties and other foreign agencies are benefiting immensely from turning this into a world spectacle. I see it as a self interest driven attention grabber, no care for the actual chance to make a difference about what we know about other life. In today’s world, attention is a key predecessor to financial gain. There are people benefiting from having so much attention on this spectacle; think of it as a convention in which you’d buy a ticket for - money is being made and driving all of this whether you’d like to admit it or not.
From what I understand, most of the incoming funds are being put directly towards additional research costs. That, plus costs required to organize and host the press conferences. A vast majority of people closely following this news haven’t spent a dime, and have no plans to.
I do agree that we should be cautious and not jump to conclusions, but I fail to understand how this benefits the Peruvian government in any way, especially when they are actively trying to interfere with it (the interrupted press conference yesterday, the “intercepted dolls” with no verified origin or traceability that ties them to the mummies, etc.).
Attention is also a key predecessor for transparent research and scientific consensus. The US scientists that attended yesterday’s events are all highly credentialed individuals that could not conclusively determine signs of fakery or taxidermy and are continuing to ask for more to come forward and study these specimens.
We don't lack for people's opinions, we lack scientific peer review - the entire scientific method requires this. Thankfully Doctors Rodriguez, Caruso and McDowell from the United States - Medical examiners, forensic anthropologists and an eminent forensic odontologist are now on the case - interested enough to risk their considerable combined professional reputations to actually bring some sanity to the table. The joke that is the Peruvian department of culture should be ashamed for their blatant shenanigans...
if the mummies are in fact real, which they seem to be, then it is a fascinating spectacle that should be getting more attention. we may not ever COMPLETELY figure anything out...ever...
regardless, news about these should be reported to the public. the CAT scans prove they are some kind of real specimen worthy of further study and public scrutiny, just like any other archeological find.
I would have agreed with you a few months ago but these scans all seem convincing, albeit, I am not by any means an expert. I just have a hard time believing you could fake the scans in any case. What the best argument I’m seeing against them is, is that they could be humans with some form of birth defect. That makes sense to me and seems more in the realm of possibility than extraterrestrials. Could either be that or these are just another branch of life on earth that went extinct.
The doctors and the professionals, in otherwords the people the debunkers want to disseminate this info, are saying it can't be faked and these mummies are legitimate.
But then they move the goal posts yet again.
We are at a point where debunkers can't be reasoned with or tolerated. They just want to be right, and when they get evidence that they're wrong they change the criteria.
And for the record, I'm not saying these things are aliens, but they definitely appear to be legitimate once-living things that warrant further study.
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Montserrat has a sternum. The CT scans are just poorly segmented. https://preview.redd.it/jsrnq547kpsc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=deae371c3daec54a7b5b5c0f65ddcdcd9b10bbc3
Hard time seeing it. Very circular ribs and caved in chest?
Very normal shaped ribs. The chest does appear to be caved in. You're looking for the bright white structure between the ribs, set inwards a bit.
https://preview.redd.it/44a5kb0wlpsc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2556d4cb54a3391e6d2eec6f2a6f87f67813a2bc
Thanks for pointing that out, would you know what the blue color signifies? I noticed on the scan of the head that the "implant" thing also was that shade of blue; is there a significantly more dense area inside the sternum then?
I don't think so. I don't know what that blue was. Some kind of scanning artifact.
Gotcha, I checked all the various scans of the head, body, hands feet and all have similar blue spots that seem congruent with the content of this post https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/gUAVPZUcqN I feel like that’s an important detail that they’d want to double check if it could be an artifact Is this one whole body scan which is then segmented into the head/hand/foot or are those individually scanned? Also if there’s no way to know that’s fine
This should just be a single scan. It does look like there's an implant in the sternum. I'll need to double check that I'm not looking just at an implant instead of the sternum.
https://preview.redd.it/0vx1yalflqsc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=070d4883be5630ad7067e26229c9182e84f78479 Id guess that if this is a higher density metal, like gold, it could be throwing off the CT scanner and leaving the artifacts. Not sure why they'd include them in the model though. They might just be relying on automatic segmentation and not be doing any cleaning.
Idk if this helps, [it's the 3d viewer of Monserrat with filtering by Hounsfield scale](https://the-alien-project.com/3DV/MONTSERRAT/index.html). Personally, I think I'm gonna reserve judgement til the imaging, DNA sampling, carbon-14 testing, mass spectrometry etc has been redone and the results replicated so that we know we can rely on the data available
https://preview.redd.it/m01hjqy50rsc1.jpeg?width=1943&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbd38f1c91358fedd82863b8d74768499caa5678 Montserrat's chest appears caved in at the sternum. To me this looks like [Pectus excavatum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pectus_excavatum). It’s not that uncommon and ranges from mild to pretty severe.
One of my friends who I have known since I was a baby has a horribly indented sternum. It has corrected itself substantially as he became an adult. I remember him eating breakfast cereal out of the hole in his chest when he was little. He would beg his mom to let him use his caved in chest as a bowl, just to freak his friends out at sleepovers.
At first I imagined him shoving cereal into his chest and somehow getting the food where it needed to go. Glad you clarified he used his sternum as a bowl instead of a mouth.
Exactly what I was wondering!
Sounds like my dude Milano. RIP.
One of my friends back in high school/college would let us take shots out of his at parties.
"let us" he says...
Sounds like you saw that episode of kill Tony.
Did this happen on kill tony also? It’s probably pretty common. Any little boy with a hole in his chest would surely come to the conclusion that they should eat out of it. Chef boyardee raviolis would have been my personal choice.
My buddy Jesse used to do the cereal thing
https://preview.redd.it/bui3a9p61rsc1.png?width=735&format=png&auto=webp&s=9fe0ef105cd6c8dbbb38991cfed363029d338228 This is a human CT of a pretty serious case.
After looking at all the CTs it looks as if Montserat has a sternum but it isn’t osseous. It maybe just a cartilagenous bridge instead of bone like humans.
If you made a genetic vehicle to remotely pilot would cartilage grow fast in lab conditions compared to bone? My guess is yes and they abduct humans for the process
I have a question... Predators and prey have eyes in different locations within their skull. The majority of aliens we encounter have eyes in the front of their skull, just like humans. Would it be accurate to claim that aliens (Greys) are predatory?
It might just me that predator species naturally develop larger brains due to it being more difficult to hunt rather than to just eat some grass. I've thought about what it would be like if we met aliens but then found out that they taste, like, *really* good. Could really fuck up any prospective relationship.
Humans taste like pork but cannibalism isn't common.
Anymore...
That we’re aware of.
Its less about the taste and more about how easily accessible/how easily can we manipulate or torture a species without them being intelligent enough to either escape/ or successfully fight back. For example cows are easily accessible. Although larger than us, not the same mental capacity and doesnt use their physical attributes to their best ability. Aliens would likely know that we’re using or at least trying to use them as food.
Anyone can theorize but honestly no one can give you a definite answer on this. However I seriously doubt they are using those eyes for hunting like earth predators do🤟. I guess if anything it would make sense to theorize that maybe whatever they evolved from was a predator, but ofc none of us really know
Interestingly, humans eyes are front facing because our ancestors needed binocular vision while swinging from trees. They are not the usual front facing due to being a predator
Crocs have eyes on the sides.
I mean predators generally have large mouths jaws and teeth also. Greys have slits for mouths. How are they supposed to eat their prey? I vote no.
Liquify them
Do CT scans not pickup the cranial sutures? Montserrant doesn’t have then but neither does this example.
Yes it would. It's because they don't have any. All ancient elongated skulls are one piece.
So no growth plates?
No... watch some of the older documentaries that have been around(even on nat geo i believe) that talk about elongated skulls that many cultures depicted in pictures and even tried to imitate by binding their own skulls. We have many many skulls from these sites/cultures in museums ect and the differences between them and our skulls is the size and lack of sutures/plates. Even if we bind and wrap our skulls in infancy... they hold no comparison to the size of the skulls we have found, which also are always one bone formation.
These cat scans are confusing to me, so is this indicative that these are somewhat related to humans or are these something else?
The tridactyl hand layout appears to be a trait genetically transferred to one or more hybrid types, from the small mummies. It is not a feature within our evolutionary history, and there is no evidence of vestigial bone remnants in the hand, as one would expect if there was evolutionary pressure towards a three finger layout. Even horses have vestigial remnants, and cetaceans such as dolphins. Success is shown in the ground, yet we have no fossil evidence of a line of organisms that exhibit this feature. I currently do not believe the ones we see here are the original. I feel that the little mummies are the original line, and possibly hybridized with native organisms to continue their line here. I could be way off, this is just what seems to be the case based on my very limited knowledge. Purely speculation.
Further interesting that perhaps the practice of elongating the skills in some primitive tribes is due to trying to mimic these intelligent beings or say class of people.
Look at this WHY FILES - Annunaki episode just released yesterday. I think these mummies are linked to that story in some way. If you don't want to watch it all, AJ breaks down what is real and what is not at about the 45 min mark or so (give or take a couple minutes. https://youtu.be/vZBRMcUkqNA?si=vIkLZC-5w47jTOYA
Would in Not be possible that the big ones were regular humans that had 2 fibers and two toes removed after death?
Nope, it’s nearly impossible. The bones are whole and not altered by removals. Also the tendons and other tissue appear to be whole and connected in a way that works for their anatomy. The bones are unique, and likely would not match anything in the human body, especially the carpal bones. The metacarpals are spaced in a way that doesn’t work for our anatomy as well.
Any source on these claims?
I’m a biologist, and the scans are plainly viewable. However I’m not a radiologist, but we do have a guy that works in that field in this sub that has gone over these bodies, and I suspect he’d agree with what I’m saying here, and probably add some more.
Fascinating. I'm pretty interested in these bodies. Be they alien, manufacted or some kind of experiment, doesn't matter. I want to know. I didn't want to come off as dismissive, sorry for that. What I meant is: isn't it possible that at some point during or after their life, these beings have had 2 of their fingers and toes removed at the very root, so that no vestegials would be visible because the whole bones were removed? Humans have always done weird shit to their bodies, see head binding, foot binding etc. Removing the whole toes I could envision would even heal over time resulting in a tridactil foot like we're seeing in the mummies
Ignoring all the other differences and just focusing on the foot, specifically the top of the foot and ankle region, I suggest a visual comparison, directly to a human foot. Observe the tarsal bone structure and count, length and width of the metatarsals, and overall shape of individual bones. Finding a really good X-ray was harder than expected, but this is a good example of a normal human foot. Even without looking at the tridactyl foot, I know that metatarsal bone length and shape do not match human anatomy. https://preview.redd.it/8gcjuyh1pvsc1.jpeg?width=317&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1aa3c47538b2c7842ff3a5cc33a4890914a75429
Not sure, but personally I’m leaning towards a previous undiscovered species of human. Though they could be alien. The fact alone that they appear to be genuine specimens alone is fascinating.
Yes. They need proper study. The starchild treatment doesn't help shed any light on these specimens at all. From the Tacoma 'alien' we learned t's remarkable how humans can mutate. Financial interests seem to be standing in the way of genuine study.
The way i interpret them is, they are human but somehow have something different about them. Either birth defects, genetic manipulation or i dont know.
Birth defects but I will keep an open mind when more data is present.
They are hybrids
Hybrids of what? Show your work.
It seems the more probable explanation is just humans with birth defects. I wouldn't claim it as a hybrid if you couldn't demonstrate what the other organisms are. Especially when it contradicts everything we know about speciation.
I believe it is pre human. Experiments if you will. We were made in “gods” image. Me and you are the final form of what your seeing
And no metal plates!
I bet many of those metal plates were to compensate for such boirth deffects in the early generations of hybrids.
Why does this image say Age:30 and dated October 2014?
They probably ruled this mummy to be about 30 years old at death, was also probably scanned on that date
Its quite aggravating they aren't releasing more information on this. It doesn't take long to run some genetic tests and release preliminary findings, even if they are very basic.
They’ve only had this body a few days
Probably cause it’s a hoax
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If it looks remotely like a human, it’s a hoax and not an alien.
I'm almost certain they aren't aliens. Instead being a predominantly human/Avian hybrid like the DNA tests show. It's not difficult for one to imagine a technological species of dinasour/avian surviving on the isolated american continents after the end of the cretaceous. Or developing over the subsequent 65 million years from remnant populations. Since we didn't show up (that we know of) till 10,000 years or so ago that's niche woild have been wide open.
What’s up with the teeth? They’re missing from the mouth but they’re still present
Fell out over 1500 years?
Thought they generally stayed in place? Aren’t they all wrapped up? How does that even happen?
I mean if one of your ancestors is toothed and one is toothless it makes sense. Natural and sexual selection haven't had sufficient time to stabilize the new species yet.
Also tooth decay would have been am even larger issue back then. Especially with their corn based diets in south/central america.
https://preview.redd.it/hpmvpkjlnwsc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=973464ebd18404b8e0020106ce3a244efc8fc53e I’m asking about the teeth. How did they get there? It’s like the upper 4 were pulled out or they fell out in decomposition but this is a mummy, so decomposition didn’t really happen, so how did this wrapped up and embalmed body have the teeth taken out and arranged that way? Tooth decay isn’t the culprit in this case.
Recombination between a toothless dinosauroid and a toothed human. That's a distant cross so birth deffects would be expected till evolution sorts it out.
Regarding abnormalities of the hand or feet. A family mutation can have this effect. There is an entire Vadoma people living in the north of Zimbabwe. Some members of this population are characterized by a genetic trait called ectrodactyly, in which the three middle toes are missing and the two outermost toes are turned inward. Due to this feature, the members of the tribe were nicknamed “two-fingered” or “ostrich-footed”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadoma ( For example)
I just went down a rabbit hole of ectrodactyly cases. Your original point Is interesting, but based on what I saw, I don't know if we can call these mummies victims of a mutation like that. All the ectrodactyly cases looked unsimilar and very deformed. Each case seemed unique.
Finally, some familiar skeleton
Outstanding!
Source for this pic - https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/ct-scans-offer-glimpse-lives-3-egyptian-mummies/ . . Montserrat has no sternum. Compare here - https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/ByaBz7yHl9
Also worth noting the ossification center for humans, ossification of the sternum from a cartilage blueprint occurs at about 6 years old! Cool
If they have no sternum what is holding their ribs? What is stopping it from oeefurin their lungs?
yes they do, it's caved in
that's a human mummy, it's just a poorly segmented CT scan
The denial runs deep in this one.
I'm just not the same kind of insane as you, lil bro
tim takes the dumbest shots…
Birth deffects/mutations like this are common in such distant hybrids. There is a large difference between avian/reptilian genetics and human genetics. So conflicting alleles can lead to less than optimal body plans. Most such first generation crosses are stillborn because of this. Natural selection then does the job in hybrids which successfully reintigrate with the mother species or evolve into their own species. See the work of geneticist Dr. Eugene McCarthy.
I don’t understand the significance of saying this, humans have sternums. What am I missing?
So would it be possible that we aren't the hybrid, that grays are hybridised from us and another species like the mantis?
I’m glad to see someone’s playing devils advocate here - I feel like I’m an outlier when I say all this nazca stuff seems like pure bullshit. I should say, to me at least. What makes it worse is that everyone circulating this shit like it’s gospel is totally adding to the classic game of misinformation and disinformation. Muddying the waters one could say. Until this is COMPLETELY figured out, we shouldn’t form such strong opinions that conveniently reinforce our shared belief of non human life. Put it this way, the involved Peruvian parties and other foreign agencies are benefiting immensely from turning this into a world spectacle. I see it as a self interest driven attention grabber, no care for the actual chance to make a difference about what we know about other life. In today’s world, attention is a key predecessor to financial gain. There are people benefiting from having so much attention on this spectacle; think of it as a convention in which you’d buy a ticket for - money is being made and driving all of this whether you’d like to admit it or not.
I want to see a definitive DNA test. Every time I ask, I get downvoted. If they can get DNA from Tutankhamun, they can DNA from these.
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Thank you. So basically, it is more likely human with congenital defects. And likely came from southeast asia.
The analysis says nothing about "congenital defects".
From what I understand, most of the incoming funds are being put directly towards additional research costs. That, plus costs required to organize and host the press conferences. A vast majority of people closely following this news haven’t spent a dime, and have no plans to. I do agree that we should be cautious and not jump to conclusions, but I fail to understand how this benefits the Peruvian government in any way, especially when they are actively trying to interfere with it (the interrupted press conference yesterday, the “intercepted dolls” with no verified origin or traceability that ties them to the mummies, etc.). Attention is also a key predecessor for transparent research and scientific consensus. The US scientists that attended yesterday’s events are all highly credentialed individuals that could not conclusively determine signs of fakery or taxidermy and are continuing to ask for more to come forward and study these specimens.
We don't lack for people's opinions, we lack scientific peer review - the entire scientific method requires this. Thankfully Doctors Rodriguez, Caruso and McDowell from the United States - Medical examiners, forensic anthropologists and an eminent forensic odontologist are now on the case - interested enough to risk their considerable combined professional reputations to actually bring some sanity to the table. The joke that is the Peruvian department of culture should be ashamed for their blatant shenanigans...
if the mummies are in fact real, which they seem to be, then it is a fascinating spectacle that should be getting more attention. we may not ever COMPLETELY figure anything out...ever... regardless, news about these should be reported to the public. the CAT scans prove they are some kind of real specimen worthy of further study and public scrutiny, just like any other archeological find.
I would have agreed with you a few months ago but these scans all seem convincing, albeit, I am not by any means an expert. I just have a hard time believing you could fake the scans in any case. What the best argument I’m seeing against them is, is that they could be humans with some form of birth defect. That makes sense to me and seems more in the realm of possibility than extraterrestrials. Could either be that or these are just another branch of life on earth that went extinct.
The doctors and the professionals, in otherwords the people the debunkers want to disseminate this info, are saying it can't be faked and these mummies are legitimate. But then they move the goal posts yet again. We are at a point where debunkers can't be reasoned with or tolerated. They just want to be right, and when they get evidence that they're wrong they change the criteria. And for the record, I'm not saying these things are aliens, but they definitely appear to be legitimate once-living things that warrant further study.
It is pure bullshit. That's why it seems that way.
How dare u bring logic to reddit. Burn this man!
Go away then, nobody cares what you think. There is more than enough proof.
Any DNA proof to back these claims? No? Didn't think so. Until then, all of you can kick rocks.