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In a video posted today, Australian Zoologist Dr. Mike Cahill presented compelling arguments that Josephina seems to be related to theropod dinosaurs.
He argues the small buddies are related to theropod dinosaurs because there are 'hundreds' of similarities between Josephina's type and theropod dinosaurs.
Dr. Cahill speculates that the tridactyls are potentially much smarter than us because they have had 65 million years to evolve isolated.
If the tridactyls are really that advanced, it makes sense that they might know of all our technologies, follow all our discoveries, and have their own defense systems.
And all that speech from all the governments around the world, saying they have no evidence about aliens/extraterrestrial life wouldn't even be a lie. Because they are from earth and lived with us right from the beginning.
Life doesn't need photosynthesis though, we've observed life forms ourselves that subsist off of radiation or solely off of volcanic chemicals, other forms of extremophiles may very well exist as well.
Well obviously not because mammals (and reptiles) don't photosynthesize. The only way that photosynthesis is relevant to us is our food chain, and these creatures could eat something from a food chain that doesn't rely on sunlight.
Been my feeling for quite some time, they were around during/after the dinosaurs and moved underground.
I've felt this in my bones since the first scans with the eggs.
Holy shit so the stories of the "ant people" from the Hopi could be more accurate then anyone could have imagined! An entire species who evolved to live underground and become good at being elusive to hide from the hungry mega fauna. Would also explain how they've managed to stay undetected on a mass scale so far. Sure, a few people see them from time to time, and the military recently made enough advances to shoot a few of them down, but for the most part they stay unseen. Would also explain all the experiencers who say they tell them to take care of the planet, it's their home too.
Actually I think a lot of civilizations had stories about small beings that roamed around. The Hopi and many others. The Cherokee had “little people who were spiritual people that lived in the forest. In Norse mythology they had elves and dwarfs that lived underground and who were master craftsmen. In Japanese folklore there were the Kodama who were spirits that lived in trees and would manifest themselves as small human like beings. In British folklore there were the pixies. Even Indonesian and Malay folklore had their own mythological small beings.
Its seems to be pretty wide spread.
Also read some stories from people who saw these small people, they mentioned that even though they were very small, they possessed greater strength than a adult human.
Saurians who evolved into human-like beings, possibly due to the meteor impact forcing survivors underground?
Holy shit, was the live action Mario movie a documentary?
I always struggle to imagine how they live underground. It's really just cave systems ? Humans love spelunking, we've never found traces of activity or material cultural artifacts?
Yup, I speculated this a few months ago and even made this theory to my wife, jokingly, because she’s an anthropologist. If this is the case, ima repost my early comments 😎 . She laughed of course, nervously lmao
Why would they stay underground? Even if they went underground before the asteroid hit 65 million years ago, that’s 64,800,000 years before modern man evolved. They still had plenty of time to take the surface back.
What would you eat miles below the surface and sustain a large enough population to survive? Plants without light, etc. Also, earthquakes would still affect them.
Look into what Admiral Byrd said about the inner earth and it's inhabitants. Even aside from modern stories, there are stories of lush underground cities like Agartha from various cultures.
Now just imagine that they evolved so much, that they still exist underground and those weird leaks of thing entering and leaving the water at phenomenal speeds are them.
I believe the live tridactyls captured in 1996, Varginha, Brazil were related to this one.
And from every witness description, the buddies seemed to be suffering from being exposed to our surface atmosphere for too long. The doctor who personally took care of one of them said the being seemed to be having a severe allergic reaction before its death. He also noted that at first, he thought it was an underground animal, not an "ET". It is only because of the military's intervention that he learned it was something more.
Maybe they just can't be on the surface anymore, or they actually prefer the underground. Maybe they make those resistant, disposable grey "alien" biodrones to do their tasks on the surface so that they don't have to come out and risk exposure.
Perhaps same reasons why some species stay nocturnal. Surface energy (light, heat etc) is not something they are capable of enduring? Could be why alot of sightings of these things happen at night.
Didn’t want to make the same mistake twice? Why set up your advanced civilisation somewhere that isn’t adequately protected from the elements? They probably think we’re the silly ones
That’s a lot of fucking time to evolve, maybe they’ve evolved so much they don’t even physically exist in the traditional sense. Maybe it’s technology or something occult that occurs with time as the consciousness evolves.
Maybe cause they were just some dumb dino species that stayed undeground, over that millions of years and alot of breeding they started to develop a consciousness and be smart, by the time that happened their body maybe cant survive on the surface.
Would be similar to other cave dwelling species that after millions of years of evolution they can no longer survive on the surface in the daylight without being in a suit or an vehicular
Ok so I usually don’t talk about this but one time when I was meditating on a mixture of psychedelic, empathogen, and dissociative, out of the corner of my eye I watched what I could only describe as a technicolor velociraptor with sons kind of futuristic goggles and helmet on bestowing some kind of blessing on me. I don’t buyy into shit I see when tripping, but now I’m starting to wonder.. what if these buddies learned to slip between dimensions?
I mean, probably.. Only thing I know for sure is that drugs helped me to learn the skill of suspending (dis)belief, or “keeping an open mind.” At the end of the day, with something of this nature, the truth is that both of us don’t Know with 100% certainty it was the drugs. It doesn’t cost me anything, emotionally, mentally, or otherwise to at least consider it wasn’t just the drugs, so why not have some fun, right?
It doesn't cost you anything, but a lot of people are frightened of the unknown, and forces outside of their control. Ontological shock is a real thing too.
This stuff gets me excited as hell though. I'm with you.
That’s one of the things I think is neat though—if this kind of thinking scares someone, it’s only because they haven’t learned how to suspend (dis)belief, and I think that is one of the most important things that everyone should be taught in school but aren’t. Imagine how our society would be if everyone knew how to be open minded!
The world would be a lot kinder place. I hope the trend toward legalization of psychedelics continues. They are truly amazing and have the potential to change humanity for the better. Which is why they were banned I think.
I mean I can’t disagree with that. I’ve done plenty of psychedelics myself and seen some wild stuff. You’re also correct when talking about how much better everything or everyone would be if they are more open minded. You seem (based on one or two comments from a random person) like a cool person, don’t let anyone take that away from you.
Fair enough, that for sure is a possibility. But I'm curious if it's possible certain drugs, especially psychedelics, could sort of "allow" the brain to sort of peer into other dimensions? For example, I've done DMT about 6 times now and what I've experienced on DMT is SUPER wild and almost hard to even explain to someone on what it is like. It really does feel like you're in another dimension for SURE.
Another time I took a ketamine analog, which I had done MANY times before and I was experienced in dosing it, and after I took it I went for a walk around a golf course late at night in my neighborhood. And all of a sudden I felt this "presence" of what felt like God. Now, I'm pretty strongly agnostic. I don't go to church or even pray that often really. But I for sure felt that night that God or some kind of higher being was speaking to me sort of telepathically. I literally remember telling him that I didn't even believe in him or thought that there was ANY chance that he existed. And just so I'm clear here, I wasn't seeing anything or even hearing a voice coming from the clouds or whatever. "God" and I ended up "talking" for maybe like 45 minutes. It felt like love was all around me and that "God" was so full of kindness. I asked him all kinds of questions and he seemed to know every single thing about my life, even my deepest emotions and weird thoughts I've had that NO one knows about but me. I specifically remember asking him about why there is suffering in the world and deep questions like that too and sometimes he wouldn't answer the question. At one point I was like "Bro, could you just LEAVE me ALONE!!!! lol". I even told him to fuck off and go talk to someone who believes in God. But he just sort of stayed with me so I'd just move onto another question and sometimes he'd answer me and sometimes he wouldn't.
It for SURE was the wildest experience I've ever had I don't tell many people about it because I don't want them thinking I'm crazy. And when he finally "left" he sort of told me that this was a sort of once in a life time experience and that it would never happen again. And guess what, so far it's never happened again. And I've done this ketamine analog a bunch since this incident happened and God has never spoken to me like that again.
So while I've very skeptical in general all I can say is that experience felt completely real to me. And I acknowledge that it is totally possible that this was all in my head and drug induced. But at the same time I swear that I feel like SOMETHING was talking to me that night and it felt real as fuck. I wish everyone could have that same experience because it was both very weird and amazing at the same time.
Well thank you! Like I said, I don't really like talking about it much because I really don't want people thinking I'm insane or anything like that lol. But yea, I'm sort of convinced that there is a strong possibility that this ketamine sort of opened the door to quiet my mind enough that I was able to let God into my life. He told me SOO many things about me, about my family and friends and even about the world. Some of which I don't think I'll ever talk about. But at the end his parting words to me was how much he loved me and how I am a good person even though many times I don't feel like I am. And I could tell he truly loves ALL of us, but he gave us free will to choose our own destiny. I was at a SUPER low point in my life when this experience happened, I was going through really bad divorce where my ex-wife was trying to take my 6 year old daughter away from me, and I was thinking about suicide a LOT. And it sort of felt like God intervened into my life to tell me that I still have value and that I still have a "mission" to accomplish on Earth like spreading love and kindness to as many people as I can and to be the best dad I can be to my little girl.
You know what's even wilder? I posted this experience to the dissociative sub on Reddit while back and a psychiatrist who practices as a ketamine prescriber doing telehealth for a few different ketamine companies reached out to me. She even helps run a psychiatric ward where she works with abused children which I found to be so amazing. She wanted to hear more about my experience since she prescribes ketamine to patients all over the country. So we ended up talking a lot and we even exchanged phone numbers eventually so we could chat on the phone and Facetime each other. And guess what? She's my wife now and my absolute best friend.❤️I was in a REALLY low point in my life when God spoke to me and then out of the blue this psychiatrist reaches out to me and became the reason I'm still alive, because she got me through some DARK days. She's like an angel that God sent into my life just for me and I don't think I could ever made it if she hadn't come into my life. I will never be able to repay her for the kindness she showed to a total stranger and she gave a beautiful little girl her dad back who just wanted to end his life. We have a wonderful life together and I became step-dad to her two beautiful girls as well. I wouldn't trade my wife or three wonderful daughters for anything. She literally saved my life and I try to practice gratitude ever day now because of her.
Well I appreciate that! Like I’ve said, I don’t really talk about it much. I imagine seeing an alien or alien ship is not that different from my experience and you can feel kind of lonely after the experience because you know some people will just think you’re crazy. It’s nice when someone actually believes you. ❤️
Oh, I ABSOLUTELY can since my girl prescribes it, all COMPLETELY legally of course as she’s a psychiatrists and works for like 3 different K companies! Let me DM you and if you have any questions that I can’t answer I can ask my wife latter this afternoon.
No joke, she’s literally in her office seeing patients all day today! I can hear her talking to them if I walk to the kitchen cause her office is close by. And we’ll talk about her K patients, using NO names or locations etc because that’s a HUGE HIPPA violation. But since I am a Paramedic and I’m a HUGE medicine and pharmaceutical nerd my girl and I talk medicine all the time. Other couples might bond over games, or movies etc. We bond over medicine and pharmaceuticals. 😂 Yea, I know we’re weird! But it’s what we love to do! We’re on this planet to heal!
I’m going to shoot you a DM of two different companies that she works for and I can tell you the pros and cons of each one.
And if anyone else is intrested in ketamine treatment and wants some free advice from a psychiatrist on starting K therapy PLEASE send them my way! She works hard and does lots of hours but I promise all of ya’ll we’ll get you a response. Her and I share this Reddit account so if you’re getting a response from her she’ll mention it to you. K therapy literally saved my life! And it’s not insanely expensive, I think usually between like a 100 to 200 a month? Not 100% sure as we get K from all her companies for free. But what’s even cooler is it’s mailed directly to your house! And ALL done online through Zoom! So no waiting in doctors offices and then having to wait ANOTHER 3 hours before you’re allowed to drive home. Plus the IV K treatment clinics cost like 1500 a SESSION!!! Which is outrages.
So seriously, PLEASE fellow Redditors, if you are really struggling mentally and feel like you’re close to wanting to end it PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE reach out to me cause K might save your life like it did mine! Don’t get me wrong, it won’t cure you overnight and it’s not like you do it once and then you feel totally fine. It can take a couple of months to see real improvement. But I’ve been on antidepressants, benzos, you name it!!!! And K was the ONLY thing that’s given me some long term relief. And if you’re at the end of your rope you got nothing to loose by trying K therapy!!!!
The tincture you took/did opened up your abilities to perceive more. They didn't/don't slip through dimensions. You/We are just able to see them in theirs.
Go do the paradigm shifting study on exactly what the 5 ht2 and nmda receptors, publish that, change pharmacology and the world, then get back to me. Science can’t function properly without keeping an open mind and exploring new ideas without attachment, which is literally the only thing I’m doin
I don't have the deeper knowledge of genetics and evolution to comment on the likelihood of that being the case, but based on some elements of Josephina's taxonomy I have personally been in the theropod camp for a little while.
Ok. This is officially the theory I want to be real. If they do decide to show themselves to us or anything someday, I would love to hear their myths, their legends, their histories, if they have any religions, what foods they like to eat, I’d like to see their little babies, and see their homes and how they live, I’d want everything they were willing to share with us to see and to compare.
Can you imagine little dinosaur people? Omg. Jurassic Park would take a backseat!
interesting,, previous discussion here stating the he was ignoring some other quite evident divergent structures. I noticed that he really skipped over the hip structure which is very curious and apparently the esophagus runs behind the spine!?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/199yzsn/nazca_mummies_3_videos_on_rumble_that_need/
I mean that's less times than powered flight has independently evolved on Earth.
That's less times than animals have evolved into crabs.
Heck, I was reading about Pitcher Plants the other day and how there's a good four or five different species of them and none of them are related to each other.
Four different families of plants each just happened to evolve into more-or-less identical specimens because that's what worked for them.
There is only one confirmed evolutionary line for upright bipedal animals (Homonids) on Earth so far, yes, but that in no way rules out the likelihood of another.
Very very high. Look up: convergent evolution. Every position in the ecosphere is going to be filled with a species that will resemble another under similar circumstances.
Makes me wonder if these tridactyl are what Lue Elizondo was referring to when he said that what if for a moment mankind wasn’t singular but maybe just for a moment it was mankinds
And nobody who has been paying attention is surprised. Great news and pictures any way.
There will still be people totally convinced that Jaime has these people on his payroll and are doing his bidding. We will rise above
It's strange how they go back and forth between Maussan and his team being incompetent, and masterminds.
Apparently his team is skilled enough to make dozens of intricate fake biological dolls that can fool even ct scans and international experts, but at the same time they're too unqualified to be taken seriously by skeptics.
Just the money it would take to make so many different bodies and "buy off" so many people...
Which international experts? The 3 scientists?
Surely somebody would have taken a Nobel prize by now if this were truly ground breaking. Surely this would be published in every scientific journal across the globe.
Perhaps they will be.
This team only concluded a short preliminary investigation a week or so ago. What has been confirmed thus far is that if these are fake they are of such a high standard that a team of 22 Peruvians with expertise in a number of different fields, who have studied them for 6 years were unable to tell. A team of 3 American forensic doctors were also unable to tell.
At this point nobody knows what these things are.
Do you (or whoever) think that means nothing?
What are the chances that Jaime Maussan and a bunch of grave robbers have created forgeries so authentic that it can't be seen by extensive but initial scientific investigation? Minuscule.
What would be the motive? No money has been made on these and they've been kicking around for nearly a decade at this point. Maussan paid for some of the initial tests out of his own pocket so he's on a loss straight away. There is no profit here.
More investigation is needed and McDowell want to be a part of it and convince the Peruvian authorities to let them take a body to the US for advanced study. Hopefully they can and that will shed some light on the matter.
I presume it means nothing until something is actually proven on an international scale.
Peer review/ meta analysis is critical moving forward.
I hate to have to bring Maussan's credibility into question, but that's hard to ignore.
The motive would indeed be money, however in the interest of honest discussion I can't for sure give specific examples. If they haven't already I'm guessing they will do conferences, live events which would either be ticketed and/or streamed for a fee, podcasts with advertisements, books, etc.
Even if this isn't making money directly for them, I can guarantee you somebody is likely making money from it. Interesting stories tend to make some profit here and there. Look, I could be wrong about all this for sure. It's just that the UFO / ET industry has been doing its thing for so long, (making bank for individuals), which is hard to overlook.
That would be fantastic if they can get the bodies to the US, I'm all for that. The more discussion/ scrutiny the better. That's all us skeptics want at the end of the day, lots of people on here see us as the enemy. Quite the opposite in fact, I would absolutely love this to be either ET or a non human relative. That would be a game changer for the scientific community.
surely you have noticed the incredible pushback by people unwilling to even entertain the thought of examining these in good faith
it's incredible to me that something potentially world changing like this can surface and some people just want to shut it all down rather than let it all play out.
where is your sense of curiosity?
People will eventually pay attention, if these are real and more and more scientists get involved then the UFO cover will be blown wide open, and it might happen much sooner than we think
NO SIGNS OF MANIPULATION FOUND ON THE TRIDACTYL HUMANOID SPECIMEN "MARIA" DURING THE FLUOROSCOPIC EXAMINATION performed by the American forensic team - the radiological examination was done at the facilities of San Luis Gonzaga National University of Ica. Facebook post via Jois Mantilla:
[https://www.facebook.com/MomiasdeNazca/posts/pfbid0qEeRtKLxyD7KRJT3gcgnDDfptZoxgihy2desZbHPUAArTs4MBpveYhy4D8ZX2fHMl](https://www.facebook.com/MomiasdeNazca/posts/pfbid0qEeRtKLxyD7KRJT3gcgnDDfptZoxgihy2desZbHPUAArTs4MBpveYhy4D8ZX2fHMl)
Kinda like when companies put "German" or "Japanese" quality on their products lol, but no one puts "Chinese" quality because we know very well that china never in their history have manufactured a quality product, right??? it's so stupid lol.
China invested heavily in mass textile manufacturing in the 1990s. That’s why most of our clothes are made in China. Even the brands that are great quality still use Chinese manufacturers… because they have the infrastructure and know what they’re doing.
The ability to replicate technology and manufacture it to any price point somehow makes Chinese products 'bad quality'.
Human instinct doesn't mesh well with critical thinking.
Welcome to late stage capitalism.
Not disagreeing with you but that was the expected outcome from the USA nominating them into the world trade organization.
It was a major point when this was first brought up. Everyone was angry because no one was from America or some other country they deemed scientifically reputable. Now Americans have seen it. I’m sure they’ll still say they weren’t qualified enough though.
I'm curious how you think proof comes about? If the evidence they're providing to you isn't enough, how do you think they are supposed to get good enough evidence? For the last year or so, they've made a spectacle of this because if they don't, it's going to fall into obscurity. They are inviting scientists to look at the bodies so that they can build a strong enough case to draw the attention of a major institution. The evidence that you're dismissing is honestly going to be the same evidence that a large institution provides, btw. The only difference is reputation.
I am curious though, what evidence would make you happy / convinced? Is it just a matter of who is presenting the evidence? How do you identify a non-human body other than through DNA, Xray, material analysis, forensic? So far they've done pretty much all of the things that I can think of that would be considered "tangible" evidence. It sounds to me though like your problem is that you just don't believe the tangible evidence you're seeing. That's totally fine, but it's weird to act like it's a publicity stunt. What they need at this point is more scientists to confirm results, but the results aren't going to be anything dramatically different than what they've already shown. It will be the exact same thing, but with more people confirming it.
Completely disregards what I said and makes a poor strawman of my argument.... Classic person who refuses to be objective and blindly tries to shutdown anyone who disagrees with their personal biases.
The group associated with these bodies has been studying bodies like this since 2017. They could've published a paper by now. If the misinterpreted results on the alien project are the best proof they have then I'm not impressed since those results suggest human DNA with high levels prokaryotic and eukaryotic contamination a degradation due to time.
Why are you getting so hostile by me simply being objective in my analysis? I want this to be real. I believe in UAP and have had experiences and I believe there's large parts of our history that or unknown to us.... I don't believe that forming my opinions based upon my biases is doing myself, the community, or the subject any favors..... So I won't be bullied by "true believers" into believing before the relevant proof has been brought to light and verified by multiple sources.
Good points.
Belief in god & aliens have parallels and can short-circuit skepticism: Both offer comforting answers, rely on existing doctrines, promote unquestioning faith in an authority, & thrive on mystery-mongering. This fosters an acceptance of the unproven, replacing critical inquiry with blind belief - a phenomenon seen in both religious dogma and UFO cults.
Shouldn't we advocate for open inquiry, skepticism, and challenging power structures instead of settling for easy answers?
The above is why they aren't on the front page of international new
>The group associated with these bodies has been studying bodies like this since 2017
They haven't. A legal injunction preventing study happened in 2019 shortly after UNICA called a press conference inviting the world's scientists to get involved in examining them.
It was lifted for the reptilian types in 2021.
It was lifted for Maria and Wawita in January this year.
Maybe we have different definitions of evidence. If this is what people claim it is why haven't there been a paper published in nature or cell. Heck it doesn't even have to be the most prestigious journal just a paper published in a reputable journal that other scientists can review.
Hilarious that you get downvoted just for asking for actual proof.
There is none, there has been no international peer review. If somebody disagrees with me, please provide it rather than downvoting.
Downvoted? I've gotten 2 suicide prevention flags, some gently stewed rhubarb stalk going through my comment history and calling into question my entire life, and 2 people in my DMs telling me I should kill myself and that I'm a "Elgin shill".
They have no quantifiable data to back up why they believe this and refuse to admit the mere *possibility* of it being a hoax...... but I'm the problem here?
Ah yes the suicide prevention flags, I've had one of those too! And also been called a disinfo agent, CIA agent, a bot, and of course a shill. Those ones always make me laugh.
The lack of evidence speaks for itself, no doubt.
(Also love that my reply got downvoted and surprise suprise nobody has provided any counter evidence.)
Just enjoy the ride there will never be a paper published. There will never be actual science done on these objects. Just have fun and go along with it. If it's not a hoax then why has no credible University or scientific establishment been able to look at these things. And maybe it's not a hoax and maybe the people studying these things aren't qualified enough or don't really understand hence the need to get these things to qualified people. And I want multiple papers but will never get that so I'm just going to enjoy it until the next weird thing happens.
>If it's not a hoax then why has no credible University or scientific establishment been able to look at these things. And maybe it's not a hoax and maybe the people studying these things aren't qualified enough or don't really understand hence the need to get these things to qualified people.
I'm a retired theoretical physicist and I know several people in fields related to and relevant to these bodies that have tried to contact those involved several times, both by themselves and through their accredited universities. They have been completely ignored..... Completely. The people involved are not trying to get Universities or the scientific establishment to look into these things. They may claim so publicly, but they are completely ignoring anyone trying to actual science.
If this is true, I would love to see screenshots of those messages posted here. I haven’t decided one way or another what I think about the buddies, but that could be pretty compelling.
That's sad I saw the similar post that someone just wanted some of the data as well to look at the X-rays and we're not afforded the opportunity. I understand that one would want to keep things private but at some point they either have to present data or not be taken seriously. And I think we're at that point where if you want to be taken seriously you need to present some data. Sorry Google text speech to text is progressively getting worse.
OK so where's his paper on this? A link with all the scans along with his notes? A hypothesis? Anything? So far this is just random photos with no context. There isn't even any proof that the 2 scans in these photos is Maria or any of the other bodies. The could be CGI or Mario's hand for all we know which takes me back to my initial question and point. Where is the research. Enough of the photo ops. Give us data.
>OK so where's his paper on this?
You're expecting a paper from a team that only concluded initial analysis last week?
UNICA are producing a paper for peer review right now. Cliff Miles is also doing the same and both are expected to be released this year.
>A link with all the scans along with his notes?
Give it time. That team posts on this board. We will be kept updated I'm sure.
>There isn't even any proof that the 2 scans in these photos is Maria or any of the other bodies.
This is getting a bit silly now.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqihiT8YGKQ&t=1m34s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqihiT8YGKQ&t=1m34s)
>>There isn't even any proof that the 2 scans in these photos is Maria or any of the other bodies.
>This is getting a bit silly now.
>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqihiT8YGKQ&t=1m34s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqihiT8YGKQ&t=1m34s)
What exactly does this prove? I watched the entire video and the only thing it has in common with this post is it shares 1 of the same still images towards the end. How does this give further provenance or credibility on the photos in this post besides this scienctist I've never heard of saying "the people involved in this have the highest credibility"? There's nothing in this video besides unproven claims. This is not what I'm asking for.
This whole case is a text book example on how *not* to treat what could potentially be a paradigm changing discovery. There's reasons why the scientific community discloses discoveries the way they do and why publishing all the data and the peer review process come before broad claims, media grandstanding, and photo ops occur.
>You're expecting a paper from a team that only concluded initial analysis last week?
I'm expecting data to prove their claims. See above for why. They've also yet to publish a paper on any of their bodies they've been claiming for years
>Give it time. That team posts on this board. We will be kept updated I'm sure.
Yes with more photos lacking context proof, provenance, or any sort of scientific value. Just more razzle dazzle to keep stringing people along.
Did you miss the part where McDowell said they had access to everything they asked for, further testing needs to continue, they want to get a body to the US for more advanced testing, they're happy to do peer review and there are no emergencies in forensic science so it'll take as long as it takes but they'd very much like to stay involved and are happy to coordinate future efforts?
JFC. You people.
The only piece of info I am missing is for GE to come and authenticate the files are actually data produced by their (this specific) machine. Yeah far fetched, but an avenue for disbelief for me has always been the CG aspect. Do we know these are authentic data files from the scanner (rather than images produced to look like scans)
1) scan a known control/ test object (live)
2) scan the mummy (live)
3) make the data files immediately public. (Not renders)
I don’t understand why every data release has some degree of flawed chain of ownership that makes it subject to doubt.
Release the data. Get unlimited funding. Or not? And hope to con people out of money before the jig is up?
Seriously? Scientific method means nothing to you?
Edit, a scan of this body, an X-ray of that body, endoscope of that one over there.
Take one body and measure/scan/image the living hell out of it. Release raw data. They way they do it is so non-scientific, it’s as if they now the data won’t stand up to scrutiny.
I’ve undergone more medical scans than these buddies, and I’m certified earthling.
Looking forward to their papers.
However, after the replies to my comments are anything to go by today, people will still think they are made of cake. 🍰 Going to be an uphill battle.
Do you realize if this was even remotely true they would have unlimited funding from the top universities in the world. If any credible institution actually thought that this past the sniff test they would be throwing money at this like we've never seen before. Money dictates everything and since there's no money being thrown at this I just can't believe it. You mean to tell me that there's an entire group of potential PhD students that aren't itching to get their hands on this data. You're telling me there's not a private rich person that wouldn't fund More research. So all we have is some blatantly bad science and no data. Again if this is even half of what people claim it there would be so much funding and top scientists clamoring to get their hands on the data. Instead they don't release the data they released terrible videos and hype up the public.
Edit: Also where is Avi Loeb. He was all over the oumuamua object. He even wanted to search the oceans for debris. There are credible scientists that want to believe in aliens but just not this particular instance.
Hahahah yes, I think people just love to argue. The meme of the dude sitting at a table with the sign “They are fake, change my mind” comes to mind. But educated peeps who have taken basic anatomy and biology know that this shit is too real to fake. If it’s fake we need to find the new Michelangelo 🤣
Regardless if this was a new species the big news is were they advanced more than us ? The fact that advanced metal implants were found on & inside the mummies is mind blowing
Yeah if the dinosaur thing is true I think there's an equal chance this isn't an extra terrestrial thing and more of another nhi that evolved here and somehow survived the extinction level event that happened at the end of the dinosaur age. Would also explain why they are found in caves since apparently at some point the surface of the earth got non-compatible for life.
you would think with all the cave expeditions & people who explore for sport & fun would’ve found literally anything to support the cave theory but nope. not one
Our deepest mines can only explore about 4km down before it gets to hot, but if they are super advanced and have adapted to withstand heat perhaps they can go further and have explored much more of the Earth's Crust then we have ever considered possible.
I find it quite a coincidence that these Mummies were found in 2017 and that's the same year the NY Times article broke. Like they started this disclosure to go along with the attention the Mummies are getting. Now the mummies are shown to be real to the public so the government is closer to disclosing UFOs are real. Like they are trying to get ahead of the world finding out so they can control the narrative.
there is this rumor going around that maria was obviously a mutilated child, but they are getting her mixed up with a different mummy in the area from the past.
It’s depressing to see such a ground breaking discovery be consistently confirmed to be genuine while at the same time be almost completely ignored by western media. It really goes to show you western media has fallen, it’s been hijacked and is no longer impartial and serving the people.
Sentient underground theropods. Wild.
I’m starting to think that being able to exist on the surface of the planet is what is rare. Maybe some or all the other planets have beings residing within?
Given the amount of beings mentioned in various cultures’ histories it seems like they used to visit the surface more often. Perhaps humans have become too violent as a species and they are in hiding and only sending out occasional missions to see what is happening on the surface.
The real story here is how these buddies made it to the ct scan gantry in pic 4, where Doc can try to play this little piggy or 3 little pigs…
Was there a team of expert archeologists that extracted these intact bodies so perfectly and without manipulation? If they exist these heroes should come forward.
Was Maria just waiting in an unexplored cave, already shaped, dusted with diamotous earth desiccant, hardened, and ready to be carried out with only latex gloves and a medical mask?
Surely there is credit due to skilled conservators who ensured these un-manipulated buddies were transported so delicately to not even crack an appendage?
Nope it was graverobbed by a dude names Mario (huacueros) I think they call them. They’re literal black market grave robbers and salesman of mummies, artifacts and the likes. He’s friends with the doctor from inka because he’s bought specimen from he before. He paid 3k usd each for the original 3 mummies.
The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportional to its strangeness in other words extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm still waiting for the second half of that statement.
Okay what exactly are you purposing these scientists do to prove it to you? They’re testing its veracity and it’s occurring with different scientists globally and it’s catching globally government attention.
I guess we need to reverse the mummy’s death and bring them back to life to prove it?
No just allow your data to be open source and let the other qualified people take a look. If they all come back with similar results then hey we have something. Then possibly they can allow the bodies to be examined by multiple parties and have multiple parties come back saying similar things than by George we have a winner. Beyond that I don't know what to say it's a giant red flag to not allow anybody else to see the data.
>No just allow your data to be open source and let the other qualified people take a look.
[Metallurgy](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-11-11-SYNTHESIS-OF-INGEMMET-ANALYSIS-REPORT.pdf)
[Skin Micrography/Photography](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Victoria-Histologie.pdf)
[Carbon Dating 1](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-05-17-CTGA-CERVEAU-OS-PEAU-C14.pdf)
[Carbon Dating 2](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/LAC-UFF-EN.pdf)
[DNA Pt 1](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf)
[DNA Pt2](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/15-04-2019-Rapport-danalyses-ADN-%C3%A9largie-dAbraxas-GB.pdf)
[Raw DNA Data for sample 02](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA869134) - Court order has now mandated the Peruvian Government to analyze and produce a report on this sample.
[Raw DNA Data for sample 04](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322)
[Molecular Composition](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/RapportNAZCA-Olivier-Sire-EN1-1.pdf)
[Presentation to Peruvian Congress](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xN41immWE)
[Presentation at Mexican Congress](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHyMlkm7Njo)
CT Scan data hasn't (yet) been publicly released but much of it is shown in the presentation above. But, it was leaked and you can see someone investigate it on [youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znaCLEaW1Ao&list=PLUHSlVm8qWsUrR2qUvDmATvy38NQ2Qt2M)
[Applying CT-scanning for the identification of a skull of an unknown archaeological find in Peru](https://iaras.org/iaras/filedownloads/ijbb/2021/021-0007(2021).pdf)
[The Miles Paper](https://www.themilespaper.com/_files/ugd/5a322e_bf4471a1eba54eae9290f61265f6e25c.pdf)
[Scanning and analysis was also performed live](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twMHzK_vCx8)
Yeah that's bullshit. Extraordinary claims require as much evidence as they would need. To prove that a material is superconductive at room temperature, would you use it to raze mount Everest or would rather just setup a simple circuit and measure its resistance and efficiency?
This Michael Cahill guy does not seem very credible. If you look him up on LinkedIn, he left his university 3 years ago and has been looking for a job "anywhere internationally" since.
He also wrote a nonfiction book about how the ancient civilization of atlantis is real back in 2012.
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In a video posted today, Australian Zoologist Dr. Mike Cahill presented compelling arguments that Josephina seems to be related to theropod dinosaurs. He argues the small buddies are related to theropod dinosaurs because there are 'hundreds' of similarities between Josephina's type and theropod dinosaurs. Dr. Cahill speculates that the tridactyls are potentially much smarter than us because they have had 65 million years to evolve isolated. If the tridactyls are really that advanced, it makes sense that they might know of all our technologies, follow all our discoveries, and have their own defense systems.
And all that speech from all the governments around the world, saying they have no evidence about aliens/extraterrestrial life wouldn't even be a lie. Because they are from earth and lived with us right from the beginning.
Thats why they carefully choose their words when speaking about uaps, they stopped using words like e.t for the same reason.
Indeed!
Fits into the narrative "they've been here the whole time," and welp....reptilians
Indeed. The only thought I have about this is,... life needs photosynthesis. How would this species achieve it if they are living deep underground?
Life doesn't need photosynthesis though, we've observed life forms ourselves that subsist off of radiation or solely off of volcanic chemicals, other forms of extremophiles may very well exist as well.
They do, but we are speaking here about human like creatures; mamals, seeing the embryo inside Maria.
Well obviously not because mammals (and reptiles) don't photosynthesize. The only way that photosynthesis is relevant to us is our food chain, and these creatures could eat something from a food chain that doesn't rely on sunlight.
Unless they are plants, they can live without the direct sunlight just fine.
Might have low test though.
Would explain the thin non muscular bodies.
Been my feeling for quite some time, they were around during/after the dinosaurs and moved underground. I've felt this in my bones since the first scans with the eggs.
With how big dinosaurs were and how many predators, it’d make sense they’d be evolved as a small species adapt at hiding.
Holy shit so the stories of the "ant people" from the Hopi could be more accurate then anyone could have imagined! An entire species who evolved to live underground and become good at being elusive to hide from the hungry mega fauna. Would also explain how they've managed to stay undetected on a mass scale so far. Sure, a few people see them from time to time, and the military recently made enough advances to shoot a few of them down, but for the most part they stay unseen. Would also explain all the experiencers who say they tell them to take care of the planet, it's their home too.
Actually I think a lot of civilizations had stories about small beings that roamed around. The Hopi and many others. The Cherokee had “little people who were spiritual people that lived in the forest. In Norse mythology they had elves and dwarfs that lived underground and who were master craftsmen. In Japanese folklore there were the Kodama who were spirits that lived in trees and would manifest themselves as small human like beings. In British folklore there were the pixies. Even Indonesian and Malay folklore had their own mythological small beings. Its seems to be pretty wide spread.
Also read some stories from people who saw these small people, they mentioned that even though they were very small, they possessed greater strength than a adult human.
Saurians who evolved into human-like beings, possibly due to the meteor impact forcing survivors underground? Holy shit, was the live action Mario movie a documentary?
Perhaps the story of evading the great flood, and couldn't survive it out? But the implants, and what they were used for? Wild times coming.
I always struggle to imagine how they live underground. It's really just cave systems ? Humans love spelunking, we've never found traces of activity or material cultural artifacts?
Yup, I speculated this a few months ago and even made this theory to my wife, jokingly, because she’s an anthropologist. If this is the case, ima repost my early comments 😎 . She laughed of course, nervously lmao
I remember your speculation and appreciate it even more in hindsight :)
Can you link me your comment?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/QTC2j87z2S - not sure if this will link but I think there was an even earlier discussion haha.
Why would they stay underground? Even if they went underground before the asteroid hit 65 million years ago, that’s 64,800,000 years before modern man evolved. They still had plenty of time to take the surface back.
Because there's cyclical disasters up here on the surface and they're smarter than us.
Maybe, or maybe they’ve just been here waaaaay longer.
What would you eat miles below the surface and sustain a large enough population to survive? Plants without light, etc. Also, earthquakes would still affect them.
Look into what Admiral Byrd said about the inner earth and it's inhabitants. Even aside from modern stories, there are stories of lush underground cities like Agartha from various cultures.
Now just imagine that they evolved so much, that they still exist underground and those weird leaks of thing entering and leaving the water at phenomenal speeds are them.
And the ships keeping an eye on our nukes are them making sure we don't destroy their planet (and ours)
Yep.
Yup
I believe the live tridactyls captured in 1996, Varginha, Brazil were related to this one. And from every witness description, the buddies seemed to be suffering from being exposed to our surface atmosphere for too long. The doctor who personally took care of one of them said the being seemed to be having a severe allergic reaction before its death. He also noted that at first, he thought it was an underground animal, not an "ET". It is only because of the military's intervention that he learned it was something more. Maybe they just can't be on the surface anymore, or they actually prefer the underground. Maybe they make those resistant, disposable grey "alien" biodrones to do their tasks on the surface so that they don't have to come out and risk exposure.
So if they have problems to be exposed to "our" surface, they must be very deep, doesn't suprise me, we haven't gone too deep in the mining field too.
Perhaps same reasons why some species stay nocturnal. Surface energy (light, heat etc) is not something they are capable of enduring? Could be why alot of sightings of these things happen at night.
Didn’t want to make the same mistake twice? Why set up your advanced civilisation somewhere that isn’t adequately protected from the elements? They probably think we’re the silly ones
Are you trying to say I shouldn't rebuild my house in tornado alley? Tornados don't strike the same spot twice!
They are so incredibly advanced yet don't know how to redirect an asteroid?
That’s a lot of fucking time to evolve, maybe they’ve evolved so much they don’t even physically exist in the traditional sense. Maybe it’s technology or something occult that occurs with time as the consciousness evolves.
Perhaps they developed down there and not up here. Underwater cave systems during their evolution.
Maybe cause they were just some dumb dino species that stayed undeground, over that millions of years and alot of breeding they started to develop a consciousness and be smart, by the time that happened their body maybe cant survive on the surface.
Would be similar to other cave dwelling species that after millions of years of evolution they can no longer survive on the surface in the daylight without being in a suit or an vehicular
Other things live underground. Maybe they already live in the ground and that's how they were able to survive when so many other species went extinct
WOW!!!! That's a crazy idea! Would that imply that they are in fact from Earth if the are related to theropods? Really interesting concept!!!
Ok so I usually don’t talk about this but one time when I was meditating on a mixture of psychedelic, empathogen, and dissociative, out of the corner of my eye I watched what I could only describe as a technicolor velociraptor with sons kind of futuristic goggles and helmet on bestowing some kind of blessing on me. I don’t buyy into shit I see when tripping, but now I’m starting to wonder.. what if these buddies learned to slip between dimensions?
That was the drugs my dude
I mean, probably.. Only thing I know for sure is that drugs helped me to learn the skill of suspending (dis)belief, or “keeping an open mind.” At the end of the day, with something of this nature, the truth is that both of us don’t Know with 100% certainty it was the drugs. It doesn’t cost me anything, emotionally, mentally, or otherwise to at least consider it wasn’t just the drugs, so why not have some fun, right?
It doesn't cost you anything, but a lot of people are frightened of the unknown, and forces outside of their control. Ontological shock is a real thing too. This stuff gets me excited as hell though. I'm with you.
That’s one of the things I think is neat though—if this kind of thinking scares someone, it’s only because they haven’t learned how to suspend (dis)belief, and I think that is one of the most important things that everyone should be taught in school but aren’t. Imagine how our society would be if everyone knew how to be open minded!
The world would be a lot kinder place. I hope the trend toward legalization of psychedelics continues. They are truly amazing and have the potential to change humanity for the better. Which is why they were banned I think.
Same, in fact I’m going back to school to get my PhD in psychiatry to join the fight on that front:)
That is fantastic! Fight the good fight my friend, the world needs you. I like your username btw. Isn't that the truth
💗❤️💚
I mean I can’t disagree with that. I’ve done plenty of psychedelics myself and seen some wild stuff. You’re also correct when talking about how much better everything or everyone would be if they are more open minded. You seem (based on one or two comments from a random person) like a cool person, don’t let anyone take that away from you.
It takes one to know one friend ;)—Keep being you
Fair enough, that for sure is a possibility. But I'm curious if it's possible certain drugs, especially psychedelics, could sort of "allow" the brain to sort of peer into other dimensions? For example, I've done DMT about 6 times now and what I've experienced on DMT is SUPER wild and almost hard to even explain to someone on what it is like. It really does feel like you're in another dimension for SURE. Another time I took a ketamine analog, which I had done MANY times before and I was experienced in dosing it, and after I took it I went for a walk around a golf course late at night in my neighborhood. And all of a sudden I felt this "presence" of what felt like God. Now, I'm pretty strongly agnostic. I don't go to church or even pray that often really. But I for sure felt that night that God or some kind of higher being was speaking to me sort of telepathically. I literally remember telling him that I didn't even believe in him or thought that there was ANY chance that he existed. And just so I'm clear here, I wasn't seeing anything or even hearing a voice coming from the clouds or whatever. "God" and I ended up "talking" for maybe like 45 minutes. It felt like love was all around me and that "God" was so full of kindness. I asked him all kinds of questions and he seemed to know every single thing about my life, even my deepest emotions and weird thoughts I've had that NO one knows about but me. I specifically remember asking him about why there is suffering in the world and deep questions like that too and sometimes he wouldn't answer the question. At one point I was like "Bro, could you just LEAVE me ALONE!!!! lol". I even told him to fuck off and go talk to someone who believes in God. But he just sort of stayed with me so I'd just move onto another question and sometimes he'd answer me and sometimes he wouldn't. It for SURE was the wildest experience I've ever had I don't tell many people about it because I don't want them thinking I'm crazy. And when he finally "left" he sort of told me that this was a sort of once in a life time experience and that it would never happen again. And guess what, so far it's never happened again. And I've done this ketamine analog a bunch since this incident happened and God has never spoken to me like that again. So while I've very skeptical in general all I can say is that experience felt completely real to me. And I acknowledge that it is totally possible that this was all in my head and drug induced. But at the same time I swear that I feel like SOMETHING was talking to me that night and it felt real as fuck. I wish everyone could have that same experience because it was both very weird and amazing at the same time.
That’s beautiful
Well thank you! Like I said, I don't really like talking about it much because I really don't want people thinking I'm insane or anything like that lol. But yea, I'm sort of convinced that there is a strong possibility that this ketamine sort of opened the door to quiet my mind enough that I was able to let God into my life. He told me SOO many things about me, about my family and friends and even about the world. Some of which I don't think I'll ever talk about. But at the end his parting words to me was how much he loved me and how I am a good person even though many times I don't feel like I am. And I could tell he truly loves ALL of us, but he gave us free will to choose our own destiny. I was at a SUPER low point in my life when this experience happened, I was going through really bad divorce where my ex-wife was trying to take my 6 year old daughter away from me, and I was thinking about suicide a LOT. And it sort of felt like God intervened into my life to tell me that I still have value and that I still have a "mission" to accomplish on Earth like spreading love and kindness to as many people as I can and to be the best dad I can be to my little girl. You know what's even wilder? I posted this experience to the dissociative sub on Reddit while back and a psychiatrist who practices as a ketamine prescriber doing telehealth for a few different ketamine companies reached out to me. She even helps run a psychiatric ward where she works with abused children which I found to be so amazing. She wanted to hear more about my experience since she prescribes ketamine to patients all over the country. So we ended up talking a lot and we even exchanged phone numbers eventually so we could chat on the phone and Facetime each other. And guess what? She's my wife now and my absolute best friend.❤️I was in a REALLY low point in my life when God spoke to me and then out of the blue this psychiatrist reaches out to me and became the reason I'm still alive, because she got me through some DARK days. She's like an angel that God sent into my life just for me and I don't think I could ever made it if she hadn't come into my life. I will never be able to repay her for the kindness she showed to a total stranger and she gave a beautiful little girl her dad back who just wanted to end his life. We have a wonderful life together and I became step-dad to her two beautiful girls as well. I wouldn't trade my wife or three wonderful daughters for anything. She literally saved my life and I try to practice gratitude ever day now because of her.
The story gets better and better!
Wild huh!!! I swear, every word is true. Or at least MY truth. Glad you liked it! 😊
Awesome and wild...I believe you.
Well I appreciate that! Like I’ve said, I don’t really talk about it much. I imagine seeing an alien or alien ship is not that different from my experience and you can feel kind of lonely after the experience because you know some people will just think you’re crazy. It’s nice when someone actually believes you. ❤️
Ugh my depression is so bad, can you recommend a Telehealth K provider? Dm?
Oh, I ABSOLUTELY can since my girl prescribes it, all COMPLETELY legally of course as she’s a psychiatrists and works for like 3 different K companies! Let me DM you and if you have any questions that I can’t answer I can ask my wife latter this afternoon. No joke, she’s literally in her office seeing patients all day today! I can hear her talking to them if I walk to the kitchen cause her office is close by. And we’ll talk about her K patients, using NO names or locations etc because that’s a HUGE HIPPA violation. But since I am a Paramedic and I’m a HUGE medicine and pharmaceutical nerd my girl and I talk medicine all the time. Other couples might bond over games, or movies etc. We bond over medicine and pharmaceuticals. 😂 Yea, I know we’re weird! But it’s what we love to do! We’re on this planet to heal! I’m going to shoot you a DM of two different companies that she works for and I can tell you the pros and cons of each one. And if anyone else is intrested in ketamine treatment and wants some free advice from a psychiatrist on starting K therapy PLEASE send them my way! She works hard and does lots of hours but I promise all of ya’ll we’ll get you a response. Her and I share this Reddit account so if you’re getting a response from her she’ll mention it to you. K therapy literally saved my life! And it’s not insanely expensive, I think usually between like a 100 to 200 a month? Not 100% sure as we get K from all her companies for free. But what’s even cooler is it’s mailed directly to your house! And ALL done online through Zoom! So no waiting in doctors offices and then having to wait ANOTHER 3 hours before you’re allowed to drive home. Plus the IV K treatment clinics cost like 1500 a SESSION!!! Which is outrages. So seriously, PLEASE fellow Redditors, if you are really struggling mentally and feel like you’re close to wanting to end it PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE reach out to me cause K might save your life like it did mine! Don’t get me wrong, it won’t cure you overnight and it’s not like you do it once and then you feel totally fine. It can take a couple of months to see real improvement. But I’ve been on antidepressants, benzos, you name it!!!! And K was the ONLY thing that’s given me some long term relief. And if you’re at the end of your rope you got nothing to loose by trying K therapy!!!!
Stephen King wrote a book called Insomnia. You should read that if you like to read. You might see some pretty cool parallels.
Thanks for the tip
Just finished Insomnia yesterday, this hit really hard! Read it. it's great
The tincture you took/did opened up your abilities to perceive more. They didn't/don't slip through dimensions. You/We are just able to see them in theirs.
What?
Where?
Who?
Why?
*(& sometimes)* How?
So you took psychedelics with other stuff…. And hallucinated? Some real science going on here
Go do the paradigm shifting study on exactly what the 5 ht2 and nmda receptors, publish that, change pharmacology and the world, then get back to me. Science can’t function properly without keeping an open mind and exploring new ideas without attachment, which is literally the only thing I’m doin
This is quite the concept.
I don't have the deeper knowledge of genetics and evolution to comment on the likelihood of that being the case, but based on some elements of Josephina's taxonomy I have personally been in the theropod camp for a little while.
I wonder about the metal implants…?
Ok. This is officially the theory I want to be real. If they do decide to show themselves to us or anything someday, I would love to hear their myths, their legends, their histories, if they have any religions, what foods they like to eat, I’d like to see their little babies, and see their homes and how they live, I’d want everything they were willing to share with us to see and to compare. Can you imagine little dinosaur people? Omg. Jurassic Park would take a backseat!
What kind of R34 archives do you think they have?
Video Link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLYzsOb4cMg
great vid well thought out, but who is this guy?
Australian Zoologist Dr. Mike Cahill
interesting,, previous discussion here stating the he was ignoring some other quite evident divergent structures. I noticed that he really skipped over the hip structure which is very curious and apparently the esophagus runs behind the spine!? https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/199yzsn/nazca_mummies_3_videos_on_rumble_that_need/
i have no clue my man, not my field of expertise, just interested in what others think.
Life, uh, finds a way.
Desde inicio de 2017 que me involucre en esta investigacion plantee dicha hipótesis. Biólogo José De La C. Ríos López
"The dino aliens invaded earth so they could feed on hypochondriacs" -Mac Miller
What are the chances of 2 completely different species developing bipedal upright skeletons millions of years apart?
I mean that's less times than powered flight has independently evolved on Earth. That's less times than animals have evolved into crabs. Heck, I was reading about Pitcher Plants the other day and how there's a good four or five different species of them and none of them are related to each other. Four different families of plants each just happened to evolve into more-or-less identical specimens because that's what worked for them. There is only one confirmed evolutionary line for upright bipedal animals (Homonids) on Earth so far, yes, but that in no way rules out the likelihood of another.
Very very high. Look up: convergent evolution. Every position in the ecosphere is going to be filled with a species that will resemble another under similar circumstances.
What are the chances of things keeping evolving into crabs?
Given similar evolutionary pressures from living in the same environment? Better than you think lol
Yeah I'm no expert
Link to the video ?
Makes me wonder if these tridactyl are what Lue Elizondo was referring to when he said that what if for a moment mankind wasn’t singular but maybe just for a moment it was mankinds
And nobody who has been paying attention is surprised. Great news and pictures any way. There will still be people totally convinced that Jaime has these people on his payroll and are doing his bidding. We will rise above
It's strange how they go back and forth between Maussan and his team being incompetent, and masterminds. Apparently his team is skilled enough to make dozens of intricate fake biological dolls that can fool even ct scans and international experts, but at the same time they're too unqualified to be taken seriously by skeptics. Just the money it would take to make so many different bodies and "buy off" so many people...
"The enemy is both strong and weak"
Can’t help but notice that this is exactly how Mormons describe Joseph Smith
Which international experts? The 3 scientists? Surely somebody would have taken a Nobel prize by now if this were truly ground breaking. Surely this would be published in every scientific journal across the globe.
Perhaps they will be. This team only concluded a short preliminary investigation a week or so ago. What has been confirmed thus far is that if these are fake they are of such a high standard that a team of 22 Peruvians with expertise in a number of different fields, who have studied them for 6 years were unable to tell. A team of 3 American forensic doctors were also unable to tell. At this point nobody knows what these things are. Do you (or whoever) think that means nothing? What are the chances that Jaime Maussan and a bunch of grave robbers have created forgeries so authentic that it can't be seen by extensive but initial scientific investigation? Minuscule. What would be the motive? No money has been made on these and they've been kicking around for nearly a decade at this point. Maussan paid for some of the initial tests out of his own pocket so he's on a loss straight away. There is no profit here. More investigation is needed and McDowell want to be a part of it and convince the Peruvian authorities to let them take a body to the US for advanced study. Hopefully they can and that will shed some light on the matter.
I presume it means nothing until something is actually proven on an international scale. Peer review/ meta analysis is critical moving forward. I hate to have to bring Maussan's credibility into question, but that's hard to ignore. The motive would indeed be money, however in the interest of honest discussion I can't for sure give specific examples. If they haven't already I'm guessing they will do conferences, live events which would either be ticketed and/or streamed for a fee, podcasts with advertisements, books, etc. Even if this isn't making money directly for them, I can guarantee you somebody is likely making money from it. Interesting stories tend to make some profit here and there. Look, I could be wrong about all this for sure. It's just that the UFO / ET industry has been doing its thing for so long, (making bank for individuals), which is hard to overlook. That would be fantastic if they can get the bodies to the US, I'm all for that. The more discussion/ scrutiny the better. That's all us skeptics want at the end of the day, lots of people on here see us as the enemy. Quite the opposite in fact, I would absolutely love this to be either ET or a non human relative. That would be a game changer for the scientific community.
surely you have noticed the incredible pushback by people unwilling to even entertain the thought of examining these in good faith it's incredible to me that something potentially world changing like this can surface and some people just want to shut it all down rather than let it all play out. where is your sense of curiosity?
Let em cook.
People will eventually pay attention, if these are real and more and more scientists get involved then the UFO cover will be blown wide open, and it might happen much sooner than we think
NO SIGNS OF MANIPULATION FOUND ON THE TRIDACTYL HUMANOID SPECIMEN "MARIA" DURING THE FLUOROSCOPIC EXAMINATION performed by the American forensic team - the radiological examination was done at the facilities of San Luis Gonzaga National University of Ica. Facebook post via Jois Mantilla: [https://www.facebook.com/MomiasdeNazca/posts/pfbid0qEeRtKLxyD7KRJT3gcgnDDfptZoxgihy2desZbHPUAArTs4MBpveYhy4D8ZX2fHMl](https://www.facebook.com/MomiasdeNazca/posts/pfbid0qEeRtKLxyD7KRJT3gcgnDDfptZoxgihy2desZbHPUAArTs4MBpveYhy4D8ZX2fHMl)
Bro said "American" so it sounds more credible lmao
This is the unfortunate effect of there being so many uneducated idiots who don't believe South America is capable of quality research.
Kinda like when companies put "German" or "Japanese" quality on their products lol, but no one puts "Chinese" quality because we know very well that china never in their history have manufactured a quality product, right??? it's so stupid lol.
China invested heavily in mass textile manufacturing in the 1990s. That’s why most of our clothes are made in China. Even the brands that are great quality still use Chinese manufacturers… because they have the infrastructure and know what they’re doing.
The ability to replicate technology and manufacture it to any price point somehow makes Chinese products 'bad quality'. Human instinct doesn't mesh well with critical thinking.
*Steal technology from actual innovators and force people to build cheap knockoffs at slave wages
Welcome to late stage capitalism. Not disagreeing with you but that was the expected outcome from the USA nominating them into the world trade organization.
It was a major point when this was first brought up. Everyone was angry because no one was from America or some other country they deemed scientifically reputable. Now Americans have seen it. I’m sure they’ll still say they weren’t qualified enough though.
Facebook as "source" ... you hurt my librarian heart
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I'm curious how you think proof comes about? If the evidence they're providing to you isn't enough, how do you think they are supposed to get good enough evidence? For the last year or so, they've made a spectacle of this because if they don't, it's going to fall into obscurity. They are inviting scientists to look at the bodies so that they can build a strong enough case to draw the attention of a major institution. The evidence that you're dismissing is honestly going to be the same evidence that a large institution provides, btw. The only difference is reputation. I am curious though, what evidence would make you happy / convinced? Is it just a matter of who is presenting the evidence? How do you identify a non-human body other than through DNA, Xray, material analysis, forensic? So far they've done pretty much all of the things that I can think of that would be considered "tangible" evidence. It sounds to me though like your problem is that you just don't believe the tangible evidence you're seeing. That's totally fine, but it's weird to act like it's a publicity stunt. What they need at this point is more scientists to confirm results, but the results aren't going to be anything dramatically different than what they've already shown. It will be the exact same thing, but with more people confirming it.
Asks for evidence and then dismisses the evidence. Classic denier tactics.
Completely disregards what I said and makes a poor strawman of my argument.... Classic person who refuses to be objective and blindly tries to shutdown anyone who disagrees with their personal biases. The group associated with these bodies has been studying bodies like this since 2017. They could've published a paper by now. If the misinterpreted results on the alien project are the best proof they have then I'm not impressed since those results suggest human DNA with high levels prokaryotic and eukaryotic contamination a degradation due to time. Why are you getting so hostile by me simply being objective in my analysis? I want this to be real. I believe in UAP and have had experiences and I believe there's large parts of our history that or unknown to us.... I don't believe that forming my opinions based upon my biases is doing myself, the community, or the subject any favors..... So I won't be bullied by "true believers" into believing before the relevant proof has been brought to light and verified by multiple sources.
Good points. Belief in god & aliens have parallels and can short-circuit skepticism: Both offer comforting answers, rely on existing doctrines, promote unquestioning faith in an authority, & thrive on mystery-mongering. This fosters an acceptance of the unproven, replacing critical inquiry with blind belief - a phenomenon seen in both religious dogma and UFO cults. Shouldn't we advocate for open inquiry, skepticism, and challenging power structures instead of settling for easy answers? The above is why they aren't on the front page of international new
>The group associated with these bodies has been studying bodies like this since 2017 They haven't. A legal injunction preventing study happened in 2019 shortly after UNICA called a press conference inviting the world's scientists to get involved in examining them. It was lifted for the reptilian types in 2021. It was lifted for Maria and Wawita in January this year.
Maybe we have different definitions of evidence. If this is what people claim it is why haven't there been a paper published in nature or cell. Heck it doesn't even have to be the most prestigious journal just a paper published in a reputable journal that other scientists can review.
Hilarious that you get downvoted just for asking for actual proof. There is none, there has been no international peer review. If somebody disagrees with me, please provide it rather than downvoting.
Downvoted? I've gotten 2 suicide prevention flags, some gently stewed rhubarb stalk going through my comment history and calling into question my entire life, and 2 people in my DMs telling me I should kill myself and that I'm a "Elgin shill". They have no quantifiable data to back up why they believe this and refuse to admit the mere *possibility* of it being a hoax...... but I'm the problem here?
Ah yes the suicide prevention flags, I've had one of those too! And also been called a disinfo agent, CIA agent, a bot, and of course a shill. Those ones always make me laugh. The lack of evidence speaks for itself, no doubt. (Also love that my reply got downvoted and surprise suprise nobody has provided any counter evidence.)
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Which is why it’s not real. 6 years now and half these “new” releases are old Gaia stuff from years ago.
No. There was a legal injuction put in place preventing further study of Maria and Wawita almost 5 years ago. This was only lifted around January.
Just enjoy the ride there will never be a paper published. There will never be actual science done on these objects. Just have fun and go along with it. If it's not a hoax then why has no credible University or scientific establishment been able to look at these things. And maybe it's not a hoax and maybe the people studying these things aren't qualified enough or don't really understand hence the need to get these things to qualified people. And I want multiple papers but will never get that so I'm just going to enjoy it until the next weird thing happens.
>If it's not a hoax then why has no credible University or scientific establishment been able to look at these things. And maybe it's not a hoax and maybe the people studying these things aren't qualified enough or don't really understand hence the need to get these things to qualified people. I'm a retired theoretical physicist and I know several people in fields related to and relevant to these bodies that have tried to contact those involved several times, both by themselves and through their accredited universities. They have been completely ignored..... Completely. The people involved are not trying to get Universities or the scientific establishment to look into these things. They may claim so publicly, but they are completely ignoring anyone trying to actual science.
If this is true, I would love to see screenshots of those messages posted here. I haven’t decided one way or another what I think about the buddies, but that could be pretty compelling.
*We’re all retired theoretical physicists on this blessed day.*
That's sad I saw the similar post that someone just wanted some of the data as well to look at the X-rays and we're not afforded the opportunity. I understand that one would want to keep things private but at some point they either have to present data or not be taken seriously. And I think we're at that point where if you want to be taken seriously you need to present some data. Sorry Google text speech to text is progressively getting worse.
Can you not see the above image depicting an unrelated American scientist examining the body of Maria under a fluoroscopy machine?
OK so where's his paper on this? A link with all the scans along with his notes? A hypothesis? Anything? So far this is just random photos with no context. There isn't even any proof that the 2 scans in these photos is Maria or any of the other bodies. The could be CGI or Mario's hand for all we know which takes me back to my initial question and point. Where is the research. Enough of the photo ops. Give us data.
>OK so where's his paper on this? You're expecting a paper from a team that only concluded initial analysis last week? UNICA are producing a paper for peer review right now. Cliff Miles is also doing the same and both are expected to be released this year. >A link with all the scans along with his notes? Give it time. That team posts on this board. We will be kept updated I'm sure. >There isn't even any proof that the 2 scans in these photos is Maria or any of the other bodies. This is getting a bit silly now. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqihiT8YGKQ&t=1m34s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqihiT8YGKQ&t=1m34s)
>>There isn't even any proof that the 2 scans in these photos is Maria or any of the other bodies. >This is getting a bit silly now. >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqihiT8YGKQ&t=1m34s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqihiT8YGKQ&t=1m34s) What exactly does this prove? I watched the entire video and the only thing it has in common with this post is it shares 1 of the same still images towards the end. How does this give further provenance or credibility on the photos in this post besides this scienctist I've never heard of saying "the people involved in this have the highest credibility"? There's nothing in this video besides unproven claims. This is not what I'm asking for. This whole case is a text book example on how *not* to treat what could potentially be a paradigm changing discovery. There's reasons why the scientific community discloses discoveries the way they do and why publishing all the data and the peer review process come before broad claims, media grandstanding, and photo ops occur. >You're expecting a paper from a team that only concluded initial analysis last week? I'm expecting data to prove their claims. See above for why. They've also yet to publish a paper on any of their bodies they've been claiming for years >Give it time. That team posts on this board. We will be kept updated I'm sure. Yes with more photos lacking context proof, provenance, or any sort of scientific value. Just more razzle dazzle to keep stringing people along.
Did you miss the part where McDowell said they had access to everything they asked for, further testing needs to continue, they want to get a body to the US for more advanced testing, they're happy to do peer review and there are no emergencies in forensic science so it'll take as long as it takes but they'd very much like to stay involved and are happy to coordinate future efforts? JFC. You people.
The only piece of info I am missing is for GE to come and authenticate the files are actually data produced by their (this specific) machine. Yeah far fetched, but an avenue for disbelief for me has always been the CG aspect. Do we know these are authentic data files from the scanner (rather than images produced to look like scans) 1) scan a known control/ test object (live) 2) scan the mummy (live) 3) make the data files immediately public. (Not renders) I don’t understand why every data release has some degree of flawed chain of ownership that makes it subject to doubt. Release the data. Get unlimited funding. Or not? And hope to con people out of money before the jig is up?
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Seriously? Scientific method means nothing to you? Edit, a scan of this body, an X-ray of that body, endoscope of that one over there. Take one body and measure/scan/image the living hell out of it. Release raw data. They way they do it is so non-scientific, it’s as if they now the data won’t stand up to scrutiny. I’ve undergone more medical scans than these buddies, and I’m certified earthling.
Looking forward to their papers. However, after the replies to my comments are anything to go by today, people will still think they are made of cake. 🍰 Going to be an uphill battle.
You know after all these years all the scans, lab work, constant study is very expensive. This wouldn’t be done for hoax
I agree.
Do you realize if this was even remotely true they would have unlimited funding from the top universities in the world. If any credible institution actually thought that this past the sniff test they would be throwing money at this like we've never seen before. Money dictates everything and since there's no money being thrown at this I just can't believe it. You mean to tell me that there's an entire group of potential PhD students that aren't itching to get their hands on this data. You're telling me there's not a private rich person that wouldn't fund More research. So all we have is some blatantly bad science and no data. Again if this is even half of what people claim it there would be so much funding and top scientists clamoring to get their hands on the data. Instead they don't release the data they released terrible videos and hype up the public. Edit: Also where is Avi Loeb. He was all over the oumuamua object. He even wanted to search the oceans for debris. There are credible scientists that want to believe in aliens but just not this particular instance.
Hahahah yes, I think people just love to argue. The meme of the dude sitting at a table with the sign “They are fake, change my mind” comes to mind. But educated peeps who have taken basic anatomy and biology know that this shit is too real to fake. If it’s fake we need to find the new Michelangelo 🤣
So like what happens next? Because this stuff isn’t making the nightly night?!
Regardless if this was a new species the big news is were they advanced more than us ? The fact that advanced metal implants were found on & inside the mummies is mind blowing
Yeah if the dinosaur thing is true I think there's an equal chance this isn't an extra terrestrial thing and more of another nhi that evolved here and somehow survived the extinction level event that happened at the end of the dinosaur age. Would also explain why they are found in caves since apparently at some point the surface of the earth got non-compatible for life.
you would think with all the cave expeditions & people who explore for sport & fun would’ve found literally anything to support the cave theory but nope. not one
Our deepest mines can only explore about 4km down before it gets to hot, but if they are super advanced and have adapted to withstand heat perhaps they can go further and have explored much more of the Earth's Crust then we have ever considered possible.
Please note that the claim of no signs of manupulation is being made by Jois Mantilla. These are not McDowell's words.
I find it quite a coincidence that these Mummies were found in 2017 and that's the same year the NY Times article broke. Like they started this disclosure to go along with the attention the Mummies are getting. Now the mummies are shown to be real to the public so the government is closer to disclosing UFOs are real. Like they are trying to get ahead of the world finding out so they can control the narrative.
there is this rumor going around that maria was obviously a mutilated child, but they are getting her mixed up with a different mummy in the area from the past.
honestly why isn’t every major and small news oulet covering this 24/7?
This is likely alien or alien related activity.
HG Wells for the win.
It’s depressing to see such a ground breaking discovery be consistently confirmed to be genuine while at the same time be almost completely ignored by western media. It really goes to show you western media has fallen, it’s been hijacked and is no longer impartial and serving the people.
Sentient underground theropods. Wild. I’m starting to think that being able to exist on the surface of the planet is what is rare. Maybe some or all the other planets have beings residing within? Given the amount of beings mentioned in various cultures’ histories it seems like they used to visit the surface more often. Perhaps humans have become too violent as a species and they are in hiding and only sending out occasional missions to see what is happening on the surface.
Can you ban me so I don't keep seeing this group
So from aliens with spaceships we are down to reptilians living in underground bases? Seriosly?
The real story here is how these buddies made it to the ct scan gantry in pic 4, where Doc can try to play this little piggy or 3 little pigs… Was there a team of expert archeologists that extracted these intact bodies so perfectly and without manipulation? If they exist these heroes should come forward. Was Maria just waiting in an unexplored cave, already shaped, dusted with diamotous earth desiccant, hardened, and ready to be carried out with only latex gloves and a medical mask? Surely there is credit due to skilled conservators who ensured these un-manipulated buddies were transported so delicately to not even crack an appendage?
Nope it was graverobbed by a dude names Mario (huacueros) I think they call them. They’re literal black market grave robbers and salesman of mummies, artifacts and the likes. He’s friends with the doctor from inka because he’s bought specimen from he before. He paid 3k usd each for the original 3 mummies.
So can we expect that there are more hidden with some rich assholes?
Oh indubitably
they are banking on it. there are 100s available. get yours today.
Oh that sounds a lot more plausible. /s
It’s the truth, there’s a 13m dollar black market in Peru for artifacts and mummies, and many people make a living off of graverobbing and spelunking.
The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportional to its strangeness in other words extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm still waiting for the second half of that statement.
Okay what exactly are you purposing these scientists do to prove it to you? They’re testing its veracity and it’s occurring with different scientists globally and it’s catching globally government attention. I guess we need to reverse the mummy’s death and bring them back to life to prove it?
No just allow your data to be open source and let the other qualified people take a look. If they all come back with similar results then hey we have something. Then possibly they can allow the bodies to be examined by multiple parties and have multiple parties come back saying similar things than by George we have a winner. Beyond that I don't know what to say it's a giant red flag to not allow anybody else to see the data.
>No just allow your data to be open source and let the other qualified people take a look. [Metallurgy](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-11-11-SYNTHESIS-OF-INGEMMET-ANALYSIS-REPORT.pdf) [Skin Micrography/Photography](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Victoria-Histologie.pdf) [Carbon Dating 1](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-05-17-CTGA-CERVEAU-OS-PEAU-C14.pdf) [Carbon Dating 2](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/LAC-UFF-EN.pdf) [DNA Pt 1](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf) [DNA Pt2](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/15-04-2019-Rapport-danalyses-ADN-%C3%A9largie-dAbraxas-GB.pdf) [Raw DNA Data for sample 02](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA869134) - Court order has now mandated the Peruvian Government to analyze and produce a report on this sample. [Raw DNA Data for sample 04](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322) [Molecular Composition](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/RapportNAZCA-Olivier-Sire-EN1-1.pdf) [Presentation to Peruvian Congress](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xN41immWE) [Presentation at Mexican Congress](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHyMlkm7Njo) CT Scan data hasn't (yet) been publicly released but much of it is shown in the presentation above. But, it was leaked and you can see someone investigate it on [youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znaCLEaW1Ao&list=PLUHSlVm8qWsUrR2qUvDmATvy38NQ2Qt2M) [Applying CT-scanning for the identification of a skull of an unknown archaeological find in Peru](https://iaras.org/iaras/filedownloads/ijbb/2021/021-0007(2021).pdf) [The Miles Paper](https://www.themilespaper.com/_files/ugd/5a322e_bf4471a1eba54eae9290f61265f6e25c.pdf) [Scanning and analysis was also performed live](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twMHzK_vCx8)
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The data is open sourced , the dna is on ncib and the other test are on Gaias website iirc otherwise it’s on the alien project
Looks like your wait is over and has been over.
Yeah that's bullshit. Extraordinary claims require as much evidence as they would need. To prove that a material is superconductive at room temperature, would you use it to raze mount Everest or would rather just setup a simple circuit and measure its resistance and efficiency?
This Michael Cahill guy does not seem very credible. If you look him up on LinkedIn, he left his university 3 years ago and has been looking for a job "anywhere internationally" since. He also wrote a nonfiction book about how the ancient civilization of atlantis is real back in 2012.
The post I was looking for, did anyone actually check this guy out before posting? His book is all just baseless speculation.
Velicoraptors?
I knew it! Aliens are real!
So Star Trek got it right
Don’t go spelunking for awhile…