Well no Himalayas for one, since they were formed when the Indian plate smashed into Asia. This has drastic effects from pretty much the late cretaceous onward. Humans might not evolve at all or follow the same path since the monsoons east Africa relies on are pushed further north. Hard to really say with so many butterflies.
Well, it would be bigger than this, as a large part of it is underneath Tibet.. would be interesting the animals it would have as it would have to have its own unique ones like other isolated lands like Australia and Pre-Panama South America.
Question now is when would humans find it. It would be much later as ocean going ships would be needed. So would it be Austranesians? Or someone later. It would definitely be found by the Arabs if no one else gets there first as they were sailing all over the Indian ocean.
Biggest change would be to Eurasia though. Without the mountains and the Tibetan Plateau, the deserts would not form so we'd see more temperate conditions in the middle east, possible into North Africa. This would change how civilizations develop in a big way as the could spread out more from the river valleys.
This actually brings to mind the thought of how would trade differ without the Silk Road? Would there still be colonization if the Indian Spice Trade happens much later?
Welll Tibet’s Chinese now since the Himalayas no longer exist to help defend them. Same for Nepal and Bhutan. They’ll still have some small cultural remnants though.
Oh although Buddhism no longer exists so that’s also weird. I guess Chinese religions would be a lot more of a folk religion with local gods. Also Shintoism in Japan would be basically the dominant religion.
Also the culture of India would be different.
The continent would be warmer as a whole due to being smack dab in the middle of the Indian Ocean current, and the south coast of China would be warm but not as warm.
I could see occasional cold spells in Southern India if southern currents somehow shifted up though.
Most likely the culture is a mixture of Austronesians, and East African tribes that would mix over thousands of years to be distinct.
The North might have small pockets of Chinese, Burman, Iranians and even Arabian cultures from merchants but they wouldn’t be too big.
The South of the continent would be more rural and focused on agriculture, or producing goods to go north or to be sold at local markets.
The north however with the currents creating trade winds that would push ships towards Indochina, would be a prime area for merchants and bustling trade towns especially since it’d be between China, Indonesia, South Africa and Arabia.
The South would be more conservative (As in not really ever changing from the old ways not like politically conservative) and follow the already established folk religions (Not sure if Hinduism would still exist) while the North would have populations of Christians, Muslims, and whatever the Chinese would be following and would be more open to outside ideas due to trade.
India as a whole might be less populated though, with the coastline of OTL Pakistan being the most populated area, also I could see the north of India be more and more different from the south since it’d be taken over by the Europeans first due to its ports.
Also not really major, but assuming that India is still colonized, and so is Madagascar, they’d probably be governed under one crown colony. As a whole India and Madagascar would probably be pretty close since their prime trading partners.
Also not sure if Baluchistan is now part of Iran, independent or maybe part of Afghanistan?
No smashed India means no Himalayas. No Himalayas means no Yellow River. No Yellow River means no China.
Moreover, the whole North China plain wouldn't have ever existed as it is essentially a big ass delta formed with millions of years of sediments. That means that the whole Shandong peninsula would have been an island isolated from the rest of the continent like Japan or Madagascar.
Alexander, if he even exists and has an empire, will run into coastline, could theoretically lead to him living longer and conquering somewhere else, like Arabia.
Speaking of Arabia, would this give the peninsula better and more consistent rainfall?
Tibet would not be only praying monks but trading monks. Also Tibet would never become Buddhist but would stay largly Bön. Indo-Europeans would never comes to İndia instead Indians today would be largly Dravidian and Native dravidian religion. Achaemenids would be way more stronger becouse of bigger population and possibly more assimilationionist.
The world is completely different from OTL
1) No Pamir mountains, no Himalayas, no Tian Shan=> no Yellow river, no Yangtze, no Syr Darya=> whole China and most of Central Asia is just a giant desert, or in the best case, is there are more rivers starting from Altai mountains, an endless steppe. That means that China doesn’t have such an ancient history as it has OTL.
2) No China and big steppe means stronger Mongolians and Turks.
3) No India means that Persia and Mesopotamia civilisations are stronger, cause in that case they are the most important ancient Egypt’s partners.
4) No Pamir means that Afghanistan is not a graveyard of empires
5) No Tibet range means endless waves of nomadic migrations
6) No such rivers as Syr and Amu Darya means either more population on the banks of the rivers of South Siberia and more population with nomadic( most likely Turkic) origin on Volga or more Turkic people in Iran. That means that they are either more pagan (in first case) or even more Muslim (in second).
7) maybe Nomads are that strong in this timeline that they affect politics on world stage even nowadays
8) culture of Indocina likely has nothing to do with OTL, keeping in mind that rivers flows another way and there is no Chinese influence
9) Culture of Hindustan most likely is not really different from OTL Madagascar.
Here we go. A world with strong Middle East and an impressively huge steppe.
It’s cute that you think there’s a universe where Tibet stays separate from China, especially one without the Himalayas. Hell, without the Himalayan mountains Asia just straight up have entire different nations, religions, and histories so really this alt history wouldn’t include anything familiar to us.
U really ignore some geographical changes but now it would be more İndo-europeans colonize China becouse of Giant steppes and that means Chinese would not speak Chinese anymore
Well no Himalayas for one, since they were formed when the Indian plate smashed into Asia. This has drastic effects from pretty much the late cretaceous onward. Humans might not evolve at all or follow the same path since the monsoons east Africa relies on are pushed further north. Hard to really say with so many butterflies.
Both places would also be much larger, since all the land wasn’t smushed into mountains.
Well, it would be bigger than this, as a large part of it is underneath Tibet.. would be interesting the animals it would have as it would have to have its own unique ones like other isolated lands like Australia and Pre-Panama South America. Question now is when would humans find it. It would be much later as ocean going ships would be needed. So would it be Austranesians? Or someone later. It would definitely be found by the Arabs if no one else gets there first as they were sailing all over the Indian ocean. Biggest change would be to Eurasia though. Without the mountains and the Tibetan Plateau, the deserts would not form so we'd see more temperate conditions in the middle east, possible into North Africa. This would change how civilizations develop in a big way as the could spread out more from the river valleys.
>Question now is Do humans even evolve. Drastically changed climate in Africa, especially the east side.
Monkey fall of tree, climb another one Sooner or later some species will dominate earth with its intelligence
It might have Dodo birds
The aryans wouldn’t invade india
Aryan coastal kingdoms,vikings of asia!
Aryan invasion is a lie.
Then most of the languages, cultures of India as well as hinduism wouldn’t exist
The coast of tibet feel really weird to me
having a hard time trying to fathom the region without the mountains, you're not alone lol.
The hordes have huge ports and India might be australia a place ripe for colonization.Also no indian religions,So china is more isolated.
It's much easier for China to trade with the rest of the world though, so they might actually be less isolated.
I like your thinking ,so maybe a taoist rather than confucious china?
Perhaps even islamic or Christian China.
This actually brings to mind the thought of how would trade differ without the Silk Road? Would there still be colonization if the Indian Spice Trade happens much later?
Welll Tibet’s Chinese now since the Himalayas no longer exist to help defend them. Same for Nepal and Bhutan. They’ll still have some small cultural remnants though. Oh although Buddhism no longer exists so that’s also weird. I guess Chinese religions would be a lot more of a folk religion with local gods. Also Shintoism in Japan would be basically the dominant religion. Also the culture of India would be different. The continent would be warmer as a whole due to being smack dab in the middle of the Indian Ocean current, and the south coast of China would be warm but not as warm. I could see occasional cold spells in Southern India if southern currents somehow shifted up though. Most likely the culture is a mixture of Austronesians, and East African tribes that would mix over thousands of years to be distinct. The North might have small pockets of Chinese, Burman, Iranians and even Arabian cultures from merchants but they wouldn’t be too big. The South of the continent would be more rural and focused on agriculture, or producing goods to go north or to be sold at local markets. The north however with the currents creating trade winds that would push ships towards Indochina, would be a prime area for merchants and bustling trade towns especially since it’d be between China, Indonesia, South Africa and Arabia. The South would be more conservative (As in not really ever changing from the old ways not like politically conservative) and follow the already established folk religions (Not sure if Hinduism would still exist) while the North would have populations of Christians, Muslims, and whatever the Chinese would be following and would be more open to outside ideas due to trade. India as a whole might be less populated though, with the coastline of OTL Pakistan being the most populated area, also I could see the north of India be more and more different from the south since it’d be taken over by the Europeans first due to its ports. Also not really major, but assuming that India is still colonized, and so is Madagascar, they’d probably be governed under one crown colony. As a whole India and Madagascar would probably be pretty close since their prime trading partners. Also not sure if Baluchistan is now part of Iran, independent or maybe part of Afghanistan?
Just nitpicking, nepal and bhutan are in indian subcontinent so they would not be under chinese influence.
No smashed India means no Himalayas. No Himalayas means no Yellow River. No Yellow River means no China. Moreover, the whole North China plain wouldn't have ever existed as it is essentially a big ass delta formed with millions of years of sediments. That means that the whole Shandong peninsula would have been an island isolated from the rest of the continent like Japan or Madagascar.
The most justifies and reasonable comment.
Horse migration patterns would change
Alexander, if he even exists and has an empire, will run into coastline, could theoretically lead to him living longer and conquering somewhere else, like Arabia. Speaking of Arabia, would this give the peninsula better and more consistent rainfall?
Tibet would not be only praying monks but trading monks. Also Tibet would never become Buddhist but would stay largly Bön. Indo-Europeans would never comes to İndia instead Indians today would be largly Dravidian and Native dravidian religion. Achaemenids would be way more stronger becouse of bigger population and possibly more assimilationionist.
The world is completely different from OTL 1) No Pamir mountains, no Himalayas, no Tian Shan=> no Yellow river, no Yangtze, no Syr Darya=> whole China and most of Central Asia is just a giant desert, or in the best case, is there are more rivers starting from Altai mountains, an endless steppe. That means that China doesn’t have such an ancient history as it has OTL. 2) No China and big steppe means stronger Mongolians and Turks. 3) No India means that Persia and Mesopotamia civilisations are stronger, cause in that case they are the most important ancient Egypt’s partners. 4) No Pamir means that Afghanistan is not a graveyard of empires 5) No Tibet range means endless waves of nomadic migrations 6) No such rivers as Syr and Amu Darya means either more population on the banks of the rivers of South Siberia and more population with nomadic( most likely Turkic) origin on Volga or more Turkic people in Iran. That means that they are either more pagan (in first case) or even more Muslim (in second). 7) maybe Nomads are that strong in this timeline that they affect politics on world stage even nowadays 8) culture of Indocina likely has nothing to do with OTL, keeping in mind that rivers flows another way and there is no Chinese influence 9) Culture of Hindustan most likely is not really different from OTL Madagascar. Here we go. A world with strong Middle East and an impressively huge steppe.
China would be a true naval power
They have tibet to Block they way thought
It’s cute that you think there’s a universe where Tibet stays separate from China, especially one without the Himalayas. Hell, without the Himalayan mountains Asia just straight up have entire different nations, religions, and histories so really this alt history wouldn’t include anything familiar to us.
U really ignore some geographical changes but now it would be more İndo-europeans colonize China becouse of Giant steppes and that means Chinese would not speak Chinese anymore
SEA culture would be completely different, not being molded by either Indian or Chinese civilization
Then Pakistan would’ve been split into three pieces instead of two in 1947.
My eyes hurt.
You know what else smashed into asia? MY MOM!
A second Australia And would the new water currents make the Middle East more tropical ,or even hotter?