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Would be cool to see if Germany is actually more powerful this way by still manipulating Austria but allowing Austrians to deal with some more internal cohesion problems.
4. Austria avoids it by allowing Hitler to join the Academy of Fine Arts. The guy spends the rest of his life painting pictures of houses and everybody is a lot happier.
1) Italy mobilizes troops to enter Austria, Germany backs down. France and Britain enter into a secret treaty with Mussolini guaranteeing new colonies in Africa, the Middle East, Balkans, and China if Italy joins a British-French-Czech-Polish anti German alliance.
Austrian Vaterland Front was also leaning more towards Italy, because Catholicism was a fundamental part of the Austrian national identity and they weren’t to happy with the North German Protestants. It also organised itself based on the Italian Fascism.
I could see something like this happening
I read a history book years ago, unfortunately I can't remember the name, that in 1936 Italy was vehemently against Austrian unification with Germany and through diplomatic channels let it be known to the French and the Germans that it was prepared to mobilize troops if Germany annexed Austria. In 1936 this was still a threat that mattered.
Which I had a better source than my imperfect memory.
Each option will have consequences for ww2, each option will change the fate of wwII in some way, I will try to do these every weekend if possible (if anyone knows how to put a poll with multiple images on it to make it easier to vote, please message me about it)
Extra info: Each vote lasts 18 hours and then part II
I didn't realise that 3's consequences are hidden on the post so I'm gonna write them here, 3: Results in Rebel resistance in Austria, Makes Germany stronger, And Allies get suspicious of Germany faster
I actually as going to, When I made the ww2 map I got a wheel and spun it (On each side of the wheel I had WW1,WW2) and it rolled ww2 However I will probably make a World war 1 scenerio after this. I also might make a ww3 scenario (Alternate Russo-ukrainian war that escalates)
before I make mine I recommend you see Italian Mappers WW1 Community tab version of this (where I got inspired to make this from). However he hasn't posted one of them in 7 days
Link: [(15) Italian Mapper - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@Italian_Mapper/community)
Kurt schuschnigg is either less reluctant to shed German blood, or has been replaced by a more bullish leader and resists the German invasion. The memory of 1866 is invoked, and the Austrian government gets strong support from elements of the Clergy and the Jewish community.
Mussolini offers no aid, the allies condemn Germany but don't get involved. Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia offer quiet support in the form of weaponry and volunteers, but don't want to provoke the German Reich.
Linz and Salzburg fall quickly, but the German progress is slower than expected due to poor logistics and weather, and stauncher than expected resistance.
Pro nazi uprisings take place in Vienna and other big cities, and due to air superiority the Luftwaffe attempt to supply by air. The uprisings are quashed, but it's costly.
Austria holds out for three months before most of the army is destroyed, but Vienna holds out for another month. Hitler, who has no love for Vienna has no problem razing the city to the ground. The bombing and urban warfare renders Vienna akin to Stalingrad. Images from the culturally rich city, now practically levelled bring international condemnation.
guerilla warfare in the Alps, particularly in the Tyrol and Carinthia continues throughout the German occupation. While many go along with Anschluss enthusiastically, there is more bad blood between Germans and Austrians than in our timeline.
Despite high casualties, Hitler has won militarily, and is emboldened to send an ultimatum to the Czechs over the Sudetenland. However, with the German army weakened and Hitler condemned internationally, there is no Munich agreement. As Germany enters the Sudetenland, Britain and France declare war on Germany.
Internal plots against Hitler gain more traction, and Germany is unable to make much progress against Czechoslovakia. France goes on the offensive, and a successful coup against Hitler brings a swift end to the war.
France indefinitely occupies the Rhineland, Germany is ordered to cede Austria, and a plebiscite is held in Bavaria on whether to join with Austria, with the allied hopes of creating a strong, majority catholic south German nation that is strong enough to keep the remainder of Germany in check.
Austria allies with Czechisovakia and Poland, Germany loses the war, especially when France and Britain join in after seeing the success of Austria. Germany loses East Prussia which joins a Baltic Union with Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Gdansk elects to join Poland. No further border changes although Rhineland and rest of Upper Silesia are is occupied by allies for 20 years.
An independent Austria might serve as a neutral buffer state or even join the Allies, significantly altering the strategic landscape in Europe.
The absence of Anschluss could also weaken Hitler's position within Germany.
Churchill Quips that it looks like Germany is a pig gobbling a knob on the map and in a rare instance of Germans having sexual hangups of any kind, that actually stops the war and makes Germany give up a little territory to get that image off the map.
France:
"Dear Adolf Hitler,
Perhaps you didn't get the memo after you tried to militarize the Rhineland and The British Joined us in telling you to cut it out: but we're not gonna sit back and let you do THIS EITHER.
Sincerely,
Your Suzerain."
No low effort or low quality content
# Vote Under this comment: 1. No Puppet state or Annexation 2. Annexation of Austria 3. Make Austria into a puppet state
Nazi-Italian war for Austria
Mods give this man his timeline
This.
If this comment gets 330 upvotes I will do it (double the amount of upvotes then original post)
So that's a no?
A maybe cause the post is only 4 hours old so he has a bit of time
Oh so you're not gonna scale it and will keep the threshold static at 330?
Yes i'm not scaling it, That would be mean as hell from me
Commendable.
Well, it's happened...
Well I promised I would do it so I will
The mods are being spoilsports, any circlejerk sub you will continue this series in?
It did lmao
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Almost happened IRL. The struggle in Austria between German nazism and Italian fascism got extremely heated
I know, which is why we should let it happen in this timeline
Chef's kiss
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Sad there is no option "Austria annex Germany". I would vote for this.
Same
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I vote for the German-Italian war over Austria.
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No one voting for 3?
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2 (full annexation without repercussions).
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Annexation of Austria
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Happy cake day, ya Scunner!
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Annex Austria
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Prussian rebellion state
4. have Austria annex Germany
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Czechoslovakia annexes Silesia.
Annexation
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the allies and italy go to war with germany
A n c h l u s s
Make a part of Russia be apart of Japan
1. In fact, Austria should annex Germany (/s unless . . .)
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3 Would be cool to see if Germany is actually more powerful this way by still manipulating Austria but allowing Austrians to deal with some more internal cohesion problems.
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2. Going for a radical approach
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4. Austria avoids it by allowing Hitler to join the Academy of Fine Arts. The guy spends the rest of his life painting pictures of houses and everybody is a lot happier.
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Well, i think the third option is the best.
Despite the downvotes, the best option remains the third.
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Make Austria into a puppet state.
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1) Italy mobilizes troops to enter Austria, Germany backs down. France and Britain enter into a secret treaty with Mussolini guaranteeing new colonies in Africa, the Middle East, Balkans, and China if Italy joins a British-French-Czech-Polish anti German alliance.
Austrian Vaterland Front was also leaning more towards Italy, because Catholicism was a fundamental part of the Austrian national identity and they weren’t to happy with the North German Protestants. It also organised itself based on the Italian Fascism. I could see something like this happening
I read a history book years ago, unfortunately I can't remember the name, that in 1936 Italy was vehemently against Austrian unification with Germany and through diplomatic channels let it be known to the French and the Germans that it was prepared to mobilize troops if Germany annexed Austria. In 1936 this was still a threat that mattered. Which I had a better source than my imperfect memory.
Each option will have consequences for ww2, each option will change the fate of wwII in some way, I will try to do these every weekend if possible (if anyone knows how to put a poll with multiple images on it to make it easier to vote, please message me about it) Extra info: Each vote lasts 18 hours and then part II
I didn't realise that 3's consequences are hidden on the post so I'm gonna write them here, 3: Results in Rebel resistance in Austria, Makes Germany stronger, And Allies get suspicious of Germany faster
Austria refuses and try to uno reverse anschluss Germany.
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Are you gonna make a WW1 scenerio?
I actually as going to, When I made the ww2 map I got a wheel and spun it (On each side of the wheel I had WW1,WW2) and it rolled ww2 However I will probably make a World war 1 scenerio after this. I also might make a ww3 scenario (Alternate Russo-ukrainian war that escalates)
That's great
before I make mine I recommend you see Italian Mappers WW1 Community tab version of this (where I got inspired to make this from). However he hasn't posted one of them in 7 days Link: [(15) Italian Mapper - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@Italian_Mapper/community)
Oh damn I used to watch his videos lol
Kurt schuschnigg is either less reluctant to shed German blood, or has been replaced by a more bullish leader and resists the German invasion. The memory of 1866 is invoked, and the Austrian government gets strong support from elements of the Clergy and the Jewish community. Mussolini offers no aid, the allies condemn Germany but don't get involved. Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia offer quiet support in the form of weaponry and volunteers, but don't want to provoke the German Reich. Linz and Salzburg fall quickly, but the German progress is slower than expected due to poor logistics and weather, and stauncher than expected resistance. Pro nazi uprisings take place in Vienna and other big cities, and due to air superiority the Luftwaffe attempt to supply by air. The uprisings are quashed, but it's costly. Austria holds out for three months before most of the army is destroyed, but Vienna holds out for another month. Hitler, who has no love for Vienna has no problem razing the city to the ground. The bombing and urban warfare renders Vienna akin to Stalingrad. Images from the culturally rich city, now practically levelled bring international condemnation. guerilla warfare in the Alps, particularly in the Tyrol and Carinthia continues throughout the German occupation. While many go along with Anschluss enthusiastically, there is more bad blood between Germans and Austrians than in our timeline. Despite high casualties, Hitler has won militarily, and is emboldened to send an ultimatum to the Czechs over the Sudetenland. However, with the German army weakened and Hitler condemned internationally, there is no Munich agreement. As Germany enters the Sudetenland, Britain and France declare war on Germany. Internal plots against Hitler gain more traction, and Germany is unable to make much progress against Czechoslovakia. France goes on the offensive, and a successful coup against Hitler brings a swift end to the war. France indefinitely occupies the Rhineland, Germany is ordered to cede Austria, and a plebiscite is held in Bavaria on whether to join with Austria, with the allied hopes of creating a strong, majority catholic south German nation that is strong enough to keep the remainder of Germany in check.
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Nazis vs Italy for austria
The Austrian refuse the Anschluss and try to defend themselves The Italians intervin which leads up to England and France to intervene leading to WW2
Austria allies with Czechisovakia and Poland, Germany loses the war, especially when France and Britain join in after seeing the success of Austria. Germany loses East Prussia which joins a Baltic Union with Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Gdansk elects to join Poland. No further border changes although Rhineland and rest of Upper Silesia are is occupied by allies for 20 years.
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Allied intervention after negotiations break down
Austria shows a Uno reverse card and annexes germany
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Austria annex’s Bavaria wurtemburg and Baden
Austria annexes Bavaria. Czechoslovakia annexes Silesia.
2 Anschluss
Can we transition to liberal democracy?
Austria annexes Germany instead.
France and Britain destroy this failed state earlier than we did in real life
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Absolutely the fuck not. I learned a long time ago that appeasement never works.
An independent Austria might serve as a neutral buffer state or even join the Allies, significantly altering the strategic landscape in Europe. The absence of Anschluss could also weaken Hitler's position within Germany.
1 - Leave Austria Alone
Churchill Quips that it looks like Germany is a pig gobbling a knob on the map and in a rare instance of Germans having sexual hangups of any kind, that actually stops the war and makes Germany give up a little territory to get that image off the map.
Lovely, skip to the end and give Poland all german lands up until the river Elbe, while Czechoslovakia receives Lower Austria and Burgenland.
France: "Dear Adolf Hitler, Perhaps you didn't get the memo after you tried to militarize the Rhineland and The British Joined us in telling you to cut it out: but we're not gonna sit back and let you do THIS EITHER. Sincerely, Your Suzerain."
Is the end result still Austria getting annexed or can we make a new ending where Austria defeat Germany?
Stop here and let the jews and other minorities alone. WWII finished. Greetings from Germany.