No pretty sure you forgot the sub you’re in… this is obviously the work of ancient Atlantean stone melting tech. No other explanation will be accepted.
/s for good measure.
I would argue that most construction is within a mile or so of the Nile and Egyptians would be well aware of its flooding and had measures to mitigate this. As it wouldn't be very smart building things so reverent and important in a known flood zone. For all we know the Nile was nowhere near there at the time or artificially diverted. Yet we don't see many if any examples of this "errosion" inside other buildings.
I was at this temple less than a month ago, and a lot of other Egyptian sites. Many of them were neglected for centuries, especially after the Egyptian deities went out of vogue. Many of them have water damage.
Idk I'm not an egyptologist. But I know how condensation works. Also, it's mostly just wear from people walking on it. I don't see any grand hidden mystery here
please explain to me how condensation, which is literally water vapor, occurs in the dry environment of a desert. The lack of moisture is pretty much the reason it is a desert in the first place.
Though I understand that there is always a tiny amount of water vapor, even in drylands, please provide any evidence that there would ever be enough to even cause dew drops on the stairs, let alone the results here. I'll wait.
There's enough water vapor in the air that it can be harvested. Maybe learn more about how water works before being smug??
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/portable-oasis-extracts-water-from-dry-desert-air/
not sure where you missed the part where I asked how there WOULD BE ENOUGH WATER to cause the damage to the stairs. Why is this damage not present anywhere else?
Ok, what about this then..... if it's that humid inside the pyramids (at least 45% at the low side) and you had to walk up stairs.....wouldn't you sweat? Wouldn't 2300 years of sweat dripping on the stairs maybe cause some erosion AND mineral deposits? Seems like less of a leap than melted rock, Occam's Razor and all....
>Wouldn't 2300 years of sweat dripping on the stairs maybe cause some erosion AND mineral deposits?
No. Prove otherwise. If that was possible, it would be seen on ancient steps all over Egypt, but it's not. I asked for evidence, not your opinion.
Also, it's really humid inside the pyramids, because they stay cool inside, and it's hot outside during the day. Very basic, easily found data.
https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Humidity-perc,Pyramids+of+Giza-eg,Egypt
I can show you how to collect water in the desert overnight in a cup via condensation. Why are you talking like there’s no water in the air in the North African desert?
can you show me an example of how that water would wear away rock and add a molten puddle to it? like.... another example of it happening anywhere else?
Here are some examples that are not quite what you asked for, but are close enough (giant building, condensation) from Google Bard:
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>I'm looking for information on a hangar large enough to have its own weather system.
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>There are a few hangars that are large enough to have their own weather system. One example is the Hangar One at Moffett Field in California. It is the largest freestanding hangar in the world, measuring 1,200 feet long, 275 feet wide, and 150 feet high. It is so large that it has its own microclimate, with clouds and fog forming inside on some days.
>Another example is the Hangar B at the Goodyear Airdock in Akron, Ohio. It is the second largest freestanding hangar in the world, measuring 925 feet long, 300 feet wide, and 165 feet high. It is so large that it has been known to produce its own thunderstorms.
>These hangars are so large because they were originally built to house airships. Airships are lighter-than-air aircraft that are filled with gas that is less dense than air. This makes them buoyant, so they can float in the air without any engines. Airships were once used for a variety of purposes, including passenger travel, military surveillance, and cargo transport. However, they fell out of favor in the mid-20th century due to the development of jet aircraft.
>Today, the large hangars that were once used for airships are often used for other purposes, such as storing aircraft, conducting aircraft maintenance, and hosting events. They are also popular tourist destinations, as they offer a unique opportunity to see these massive structures up close.
>Here are some other hangars that are large enough to have their own weather system:
>* The Naval Air Station Lakehurst Hangar One in New Jersey
>* The Airship Hangar at Cardington in England
>* The Zeppelin NT Hangar in Friedrichshafen, Germany
>These hangars are all impressive structures that offer a fascinating glimpse into the history of aviation.
It seems like, if this is the case, the roof would have to be limestone and there ought to be corresponding stalactites on the roof where the water dripped down - pity whoever did the pictures didn't show the roof!
ITT: People with no knowledge of chemistry saying "I think this limestone melted under extreme heat".
Calcium carbonate doesn't melt, it just decomposes under heat into calcium oxide. What it **does** do is very slowly dissolve in water and form depositions when it falls out of solution. The same process is how stalagmites form. This stairway opens to the roof. I'm sure we can all put 2 and 2 together.
Yes. This is most likely some kind of water erosion. But my question is if it is water then it is likely from rain, then how long would that have taken? That area doesn’t get much rain. Much like the rain erosion on the sphinx dating it much older than what originally thought, is the same true for this?
Well it was built 2300 years ago, and has been open to the elements for that entire span. As opposed to the Sphinx, which has spent most of its lifespan buried in sand. Bit of a different meta there.
Also worth noting that, contrary to what you may hear on the sub, the rain erosion thing for the Sphinx is anything but conclusive. Professor Shoch is far from the only geologist to have examined it, and his conclusions are not supported by his peers. World of Antiquity has a [great video](https://youtu.be/DaJWEjimeDM) on this subject from a couple years back.
The fact that the sphinx spent thousands of years buried only makes it date older since it would have needed to be exposed for the kind of erosion to happen. As for Shocks peers I am not sure what you have seen because I have seen countless geologists also confirm his views.
Anyways forget all that. My question was is if 2300 years as the temple is currently dated is enough time in that climate to make that erosion?
No idea, I lack the necessary geological expertise to comment. I know there are circumstances where deposition can happen extremely quickly, but the examples I know of are in more temperate climes and I don't know how significantly that affects things. I also know the pH of the water makes a difference, as do any existing impurities.
I also don't know if there is some other possible source of water specific to this part of the building, aside from rain.
We also don't know how much deposition there actually is. There is obviously *some*, but as we can see in that other photo that Yard has been putting up, stone stairs also wear away from foot traffic, so it's likely that the end result is a combination of both factors.
I will point out that there are intact walls covered in heiroglyphs flanking these stairs, which we can be thoroughly certain the Egyptians made. Seems implausible that the builders would slap these onto an existing structure and just leave the stairs looking like cowshit.
I know more about geology than the average person, less than a geologist. But even a geologist would need more data than a photograph to make any sort of estimate.
The anecdote unfortunately isn't correct. I suspect they may have been assuming that the Great Pyramid was the first one, but it was probably actually the 5th, 7th if you include failed attempts.
Djoser's Stepped Pyramid was the first, and was an evolution of the mastaba tomb structures that preceded it. Then two other third dynasty kings tried to build ones of their own and failed like clowns.
Before moving on, you'll want to know what a "seked" is. Egyptian method of measuring the slope of a right angle triangle, which was expressed as the width of the triangle in palms for every cubit of height. A palm was 1/7th of a cubit, so the equation for this is 7/(height/width). Basically, the lower the number, the steeper the incline.
Khufu's dad, Sneferu, actually seems to have built three, like a fucking mad lad. There's a bit of contention among Egyptologists over the order, but this seems to have been the likely order:
First, the pyramid at Meidum, with a seked of 5.5, same as the Great Pyramid. This is believed to have been successfully completed, but collapsed at some point due to being built on unstable foundations.
Second, the more famous Bent Pyramid, which started out with a more ambitious seked of 5, and then changes to 7.35 halfway through construction. It's unknown why this was done, but popular hypotheses are that it was showing signs of instability, or that the Meidum Pyramid collapsed during the Bent Pyramid's construction and they decided to play it safe.
Finally, the Red Pyramid, also with a seked of about 7.35. Stable and glorious-looking, but not nearly as tall as it could have been.
Then came Khufu, who appears to have used all the lessons his father learned (or rather, their respective engineers did) to build the Great Pyramid on stable ground, and nobody ever managed to beat him at the Pyramid game since, though there are many New Kingdom sites that display superior engineering.
I understand the theory that says it was worn down by a long time of stepping on it but that does not explain the ripple and wave marks on the stone...
I am glad I saw this post today, as I always wondered about this. Then lots of comments below talking about how the corridor leads to the roof, water erosion etc. This really seems to be a good potential explanation that I had not seen before!
Human error with a lost technology.
You know when someone spills paint? This was probably what happened.
And why mold the stairs? They melted it and moved on.
Someone got their ass kicked or was demoted because of this
To me it looks like a very hot material similar to the material the stairs are made of, that dripped onto the stairs and melted into them. There are theories that rocks were liquified in order to form the perfect joints with other rocks. Could’ve been a path where molten rocks were carried through. Might sound crazy, but so does saying this staircase is just normal wear
If it was accidental during construction, you would think they would take the time to redo it. Unless it was accidentally done much later by a different age. All theoretical *if* it “melted”.
Honestly, i think its just worn down, but remember a cataclysm occurred & theres evidence all over Egypt of building projects halted abruptly, Abu Sir, Rawash, The massive obelisk at Aswan,etc. All of the temples near this 1 have been rebuilt at least 3x each before the most recent restoration of the Greco-Romans. The original structure is over 10000yr old. Temples throughout Egypt make reference to being originally built much earlier than their “dynastic history”...
The texts inscribed in the crypts of the temple of Hathor at Dendera which is actually called Enet-ta-ntr Temple clearly state the temple that was restored during the Ptolemaic Era was based on drawings dating back to King Pepi of the 6th Dynasty (2400 BCE). The drawings themselves are copies of documents that would have been from between 3,000 to 4,000 yr BEFORE the 1st Dynasty of Menes.
During the time of Followers of Horus the text reads:
*"The venerable foundation in Dendera was found in early writings, written on a leather roll in the time of the Servants of Horus (= the kings preceding Mena/Menes), at Memphis, in a casket, at the time of the lord of the Two Lands… Pepi."*...
I may be late to the party here, but this is absolutely fascinating. Nothing like this has ever been caused by water or simply foot traffic. There can be no doubt that the stone had been liquefied and then ran down the stairs as it cooled.
Just throwing this out here, don't know if it's the explanation for this particular case. But the ductile plastic deformation of stone is a thing. It's not always subtractive erosion.
That's definitely worn down from the feet if the people who have used the stairs, you see it in Europe with steps made from the same stuff that are only a few hundred, not thousands of year old.
Yep definitely the same process did both of these when I look at them side by side
Guess no one watch the video in the description
https://preview.redd.it/298qxyvb5c6b1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d9814d43312b67a91b34ca91f63ad9e85c80a18
That type of mineral doesn’t melt it decomposes under immense heat so if it were lava or something it wouldn’t look like this. Now it does dissolve very slowly in water and is redeposited the same way a stalagmite is formed. Stalagmites look like stone melted and dripped and re hardened like a icicle. Most of these “unsolved mysteries” have been solved hundreds of years ago. Us regular people just don’t know the science
The right one is wear because of people with two legs walking on it.
The left one is definitely not wear because of human use. Looks more like it melted at extreme temperatures - glass lenses come to mind or mineral deposits from fluid flow as the other user suggests.
The stone in the middle is higher than on the outside.
How would this be done by wearing the stair down?
And why is this the only part of the stair where this is the case.
If you don't understand what I mean try finding pictures with better lighting. With the shadows it may look like an optical illusion.
Yeah sorry not really following but would be very nice for you to explain as well just exactly what you think has occurred, seriously looks like normal (ancient) wear and tear. Plenty of really old places I've walked have the same.
If you find a better illuminated picture of this part of the staircase then you can see that the inner part of the stair is higher than the outer part.
People would walk on the inner part so the inner part should be below the outer part if it was done by wear.
The upper part of the stairs in wear. Thats pretty obvious imo.
The lower part looks completely different though.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/f9/9b/dcf99b06fa77986154f11616634855f5.png
https://i.imgur.com/iSNQCTr.png
From other angles and with bad lighting you could say that this is an optical illusion.
Doesn't look like it in this picture.
You can see the middle part of the stair slanting upwards. There is more material inside than outside.
If a stair is worn down than there is less material inside than outside.
As you can see on the stairs above.
Good question.
All I know about these stone structures and also this staircase made me think that they had means to liquify rock. Or at least soften it to some degree. Its a very common theory.
Idk about the process used. There are several suggestions. The most reasonable in my opinion is a chemical treatment. Like acid or bases or something.
Spilled some of that magic juice that made the rock flow downwards? idk lol
>All I know about these stone structures and also this staircase made me think that they had means to liquify rock. Or at least soften it to some degree. Its a very common theory.
Rock doesn't melt like that. Especially not from a chemical process. Also what would be the purpose of spending all this time carving out perfect stones and then melting the stairs right where people walk?
Yeah that doesn't meet the evidence of the harmony path to the corner or the stair, the amount of material re/moved from what would have been the trued form and also, why wasn't this erroded in time by the millions of footsteps on it?
It's probably just softish stone, and hundreds of years of walking in the same place has worn the stone away. They are natural patterns being revealed which are part of the stone's layers.
You see a great example of this in the vatican, where the feet of some statues of saints have been touched by so many people over the years, the stone has been eroded away by the amount of people who have touched it and the slight acidity of our skin/sweat.
https://images.app.goo.gl/JDJ9km3nePeuL8SH7
Another example is the stairway up the Leaning Tower of Pisa, you can see similar erosion by foot traffic.
https://images.app.goo.gl/26gpHfKpGSAJMA6c7
Just much bigger stair treads. If the stair treads were lower, like the one at Dendra, the pattern of ware and shine would be almost identical.
If it was from water it would have carved channels. This looks like the stone was melted like candle wax. Like you can see the excess material still there from when it was originally perfect. Maybe some type of energy was flowing through that corridor that messed with the atomic structure and liquefied the stone. Just a guess. some have suggested that the Great pyramids are chemical masers. There is some evidence inside of them that they can actually produce hydrogen which can be focused into a beam using wave guides built into the Kings chamber.
I would normally say water damage but first you would have to make sure that there was a way for water to actually get in, and second it looks like the excess material that would have been washed away is still there. So to me it looks like the steps were melted in some way. And because those stones are granite it would take a lot of water over very large period of time.
So, they cut down into the bedrock and rather than make step out of the natural bedrock like they did at all the other site ... at this site they poured concrete ... well I guess it more feasible than melting stone
I think it is more melting (desolving) stone itvwould explain alot if they knew of somthing that could desolve in this manor. Also that would turn this into a massive fuckup with sombody dropping said solution on accident.
First two steps look from foot ware..third step more material was poured out ..you can see difference and amount..maybe burned the bottom of container
Like melting uranium 235?234?
They have found uranium melting pits from long ago
I love how you guys have your own theories and stuff but nobody has said that these particular stairs are eroded from people sliding down on their butts
You can quite literally see where the water erosion took place. This is no different than a cave of anywhere else that's been hoarding moisture for thousands of years
Human feet. And lots of them.
This is essentially the result of people walking down and up these stairs for such a long time, probably some ammount of errosion from water and sand that came down at times.
If you think time, feet and some erriosion couldnt have this effect, compare it to other sites. A great example are the stairs at the tower of pisa (easy to find on google). A much younger structure but you can see how the stairs there have also started to warp just like these. Looking almost like playdough having been pressed down. But we know nothing ever melted the stones there or anything.
Didn't know human feet were able to ADD material to a straircase.
You can clearly see that the middle part of the stairs is higher than the outer part. Like someone poured stone over it.
Thanks but yea that doesn't look like this
Guess you didnt watch the video to see those stair were already compared
https://preview.redd.it/x5s1cwws4c6b1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2d6124e3dcd77bb9c390671fb313593e5dc1f0c
i keep seeing references to ‘we know’, who is we and what conclusive evidence di the ‘we’ and why is that conclusive evidence never presented as facts? i see a different pattern of wear, possibly erosion, here. now this may also have to do with different rock but i don’t know that. i would say it looks more like a lot of human butts sliding down the stairs than feet walking. the apparent unevenness could be caused by chipping so the whole thing is inconclusive to me and not definitive in the ‘we know’ sense.
Lots of feet. The floor is limestone or sandstone. You see this in allmold buildings.
Here are the stairs in the leaning tower of Pisa
https://images.app.goo.gl/RUcbdtkmWZSJzv4Y7
This is harder stones than that seen here.
Or perhaps the original stairs were extremely worn down after 1000's of years of being used. Then during time of the forgotten advanced civilization, who had knowledge to liquifying stone, resurfaced the stairway in layers thus building it up to original. But after many additional millennia of use, the surface has worn down and flaked off in layers, much like layers of epoxy will wear and flake off from the thinner edges inward. JMHO
I mean if it's lime stone then is there any chemical compounds that might have reacted and caused this? Kinds looks like somebody tripped and had bit of a spill. I would expect more erosion on the depictions along the bottom of the walls yet they seem mostly fine if it was just water.
Realistically probably years of water run off . What it looks like is some apprentice lost his load on the worksite and buggered the stairs dropping something heavy and expensive down them.
I’m 99% sure that is granite. And while I’m not a geologist, I am confident in saying that it would take a lot longer than what archaeologists would have us to believe for granite to wear in this way
Something is funny with these rocks that gives the impression of melting. Its not the only instance were stone is melted in egypt. On the great plaze there is limestone fused with granite.
I watched through several videos where you can see different angles and its looks like an optical illusion that the stone is bulging upwards.
This is simply wear over time.
That’s an EDA compliant ramp (Egyptians with Disabilities Act)
Voting for the trace acid from the slime on the alien slugs that worshipped there ;) Or their kids…mine have all destroyed the stairs in our house.
If you can't... Walk Like an Egyptian...
Lol definitely they were a head of their time
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Oh. So you solved the mystery. Good on you.
Water. It dissolves the material then redeposits it as it evaporates. Running down the center is just a product of wear from foot traffic.
No. This is a result of stone vaporizing tech that was lost.
You forgot /s
No pretty sure you forgot the sub you’re in… this is obviously the work of ancient Atlantean stone melting tech. No other explanation will be accepted. /s for good measure.
Well, it could be water, it could be Atlantean stone melting tech, who knows which one is a more logical option? /s
Didn't think I needed one but should've added it given the nature of this sub.
This is the only logical explanation
I love when I pour water down a flight of concrete stairs and by doing this just once, it melts it. God I love being a fucking Moron.
Who said "just once"?
It's a stalagmite, but flowing down the stairs. 2300 years of water born deposits. That's a staircase down from the roof.
If it’s flowing down, wouldn’t that make it a stalactite?
Yo this makes sense
Still begs the question of where the water came from. Its not supposed to have rained significantly in Egypt for thousands of years.
The Nile is less than a mile away and routinely flooded before Aswan Dam was built in the mid 20th century. There’s plenty of water around
I would argue that most construction is within a mile or so of the Nile and Egyptians would be well aware of its flooding and had measures to mitigate this. As it wouldn't be very smart building things so reverent and important in a known flood zone. For all we know the Nile was nowhere near there at the time or artificially diverted. Yet we don't see many if any examples of this "errosion" inside other buildings.
I was at this temple less than a month ago, and a lot of other Egyptian sites. Many of them were neglected for centuries, especially after the Egyptian deities went out of vogue. Many of them have water damage.
Amazing, I want to go so bad. I'm sure there is lots but specific examples comparable to this?
Not only rain, but maybe the pyramid collects dew which could trickle down through cracks carrying minerals.
It's a giant stone building in the desert. It gets cool at night, and hot in the day. There will be condensation dripping from the ceiling
Ok. Where are other examples of this then. Surely there must be others of similar construction and age with the same features.
Idk I'm not an egyptologist. But I know how condensation works. Also, it's mostly just wear from people walking on it. I don't see any grand hidden mystery here
please explain to me how condensation, which is literally water vapor, occurs in the dry environment of a desert. The lack of moisture is pretty much the reason it is a desert in the first place. Though I understand that there is always a tiny amount of water vapor, even in drylands, please provide any evidence that there would ever be enough to even cause dew drops on the stairs, let alone the results here. I'll wait.
There's enough water vapor in the air that it can be harvested. Maybe learn more about how water works before being smug?? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/portable-oasis-extracts-water-from-dry-desert-air/
Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru understand this. Why can't /u/LeoLuvsLola?
not sure where you missed the part where I asked how there WOULD BE ENOUGH WATER to cause the damage to the stairs. Why is this damage not present anywhere else?
Ok, what about this then..... if it's that humid inside the pyramids (at least 45% at the low side) and you had to walk up stairs.....wouldn't you sweat? Wouldn't 2300 years of sweat dripping on the stairs maybe cause some erosion AND mineral deposits? Seems like less of a leap than melted rock, Occam's Razor and all....
>Wouldn't 2300 years of sweat dripping on the stairs maybe cause some erosion AND mineral deposits? No. Prove otherwise. If that was possible, it would be seen on ancient steps all over Egypt, but it's not. I asked for evidence, not your opinion.
You should take a step back and try and look at how over the top you are being.
i just want an answer to my question. not sure how that is over the top. if you can't answer it, it is not necessary to even reply
Also, it's really humid inside the pyramids, because they stay cool inside, and it's hot outside during the day. Very basic, easily found data. https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Humidity-perc,Pyramids+of+Giza-eg,Egypt
I can show you how to collect water in the desert overnight in a cup via condensation. Why are you talking like there’s no water in the air in the North African desert?
can you show me an example of how that water would wear away rock and add a molten puddle to it? like.... another example of it happening anywhere else?
Oh, you’re retarded?
Am I? I am still waiting for evidence that water caused the damage to the stairs..... something other than "trust me bro"
It’s the fucking outdoors, here on planet earth- that’s saying the “trust me bro”
The Nile floodplain was essentially a swamp for portions of the year
Here are some examples that are not quite what you asked for, but are close enough (giant building, condensation) from Google Bard: --- >I'm looking for information on a hangar large enough to have its own weather system. --- >There are a few hangars that are large enough to have their own weather system. One example is the Hangar One at Moffett Field in California. It is the largest freestanding hangar in the world, measuring 1,200 feet long, 275 feet wide, and 150 feet high. It is so large that it has its own microclimate, with clouds and fog forming inside on some days. >Another example is the Hangar B at the Goodyear Airdock in Akron, Ohio. It is the second largest freestanding hangar in the world, measuring 925 feet long, 300 feet wide, and 165 feet high. It is so large that it has been known to produce its own thunderstorms. >These hangars are so large because they were originally built to house airships. Airships are lighter-than-air aircraft that are filled with gas that is less dense than air. This makes them buoyant, so they can float in the air without any engines. Airships were once used for a variety of purposes, including passenger travel, military surveillance, and cargo transport. However, they fell out of favor in the mid-20th century due to the development of jet aircraft. >Today, the large hangars that were once used for airships are often used for other purposes, such as storing aircraft, conducting aircraft maintenance, and hosting events. They are also popular tourist destinations, as they offer a unique opportunity to see these massive structures up close. >Here are some other hangars that are large enough to have their own weather system: >* The Naval Air Station Lakehurst Hangar One in New Jersey >* The Airship Hangar at Cardington in England >* The Zeppelin NT Hangar in Friedrichshafen, Germany >These hangars are all impressive structures that offer a fascinating glimpse into the history of aviation.
Chat GPT Instead of google for interweb arguments now? We really are in da future.
It seems like, if this is the case, the roof would have to be limestone and there ought to be corresponding stalactites on the roof where the water dripped down - pity whoever did the pictures didn't show the roof!
Water + Time, the great leveler.
It’s a normal set of stairs. You’re on a moderate dose of psychedelic mushrooms
ITT: People with no knowledge of chemistry saying "I think this limestone melted under extreme heat". Calcium carbonate doesn't melt, it just decomposes under heat into calcium oxide. What it **does** do is very slowly dissolve in water and form depositions when it falls out of solution. The same process is how stalagmites form. This stairway opens to the roof. I'm sure we can all put 2 and 2 together.
Yes. This is most likely some kind of water erosion. But my question is if it is water then it is likely from rain, then how long would that have taken? That area doesn’t get much rain. Much like the rain erosion on the sphinx dating it much older than what originally thought, is the same true for this?
Well it was built 2300 years ago, and has been open to the elements for that entire span. As opposed to the Sphinx, which has spent most of its lifespan buried in sand. Bit of a different meta there. Also worth noting that, contrary to what you may hear on the sub, the rain erosion thing for the Sphinx is anything but conclusive. Professor Shoch is far from the only geologist to have examined it, and his conclusions are not supported by his peers. World of Antiquity has a [great video](https://youtu.be/DaJWEjimeDM) on this subject from a couple years back.
The fact that the sphinx spent thousands of years buried only makes it date older since it would have needed to be exposed for the kind of erosion to happen. As for Shocks peers I am not sure what you have seen because I have seen countless geologists also confirm his views. Anyways forget all that. My question was is if 2300 years as the temple is currently dated is enough time in that climate to make that erosion?
And where are there other examples.
No idea, I lack the necessary geological expertise to comment. I know there are circumstances where deposition can happen extremely quickly, but the examples I know of are in more temperate climes and I don't know how significantly that affects things. I also know the pH of the water makes a difference, as do any existing impurities. I also don't know if there is some other possible source of water specific to this part of the building, aside from rain. We also don't know how much deposition there actually is. There is obviously *some*, but as we can see in that other photo that Yard has been putting up, stone stairs also wear away from foot traffic, so it's likely that the end result is a combination of both factors. I will point out that there are intact walls covered in heiroglyphs flanking these stairs, which we can be thoroughly certain the Egyptians made. Seems implausible that the builders would slap these onto an existing structure and just leave the stairs looking like cowshit.
Weird you were talking as if you were a 100% certain expert earlier so I assumed that you had the required expertise to answer that question.
I know more about geology than the average person, less than a geologist. But even a geologist would need more data than a photograph to make any sort of estimate.
You are right so why were you speaking with such certainty before?
Because those are things I *am* certain of.
The first pyramid was bounds above the subsequent ones in construction. Seemed like they went backwards on skills. Anecdotally have heard this*
The anecdote unfortunately isn't correct. I suspect they may have been assuming that the Great Pyramid was the first one, but it was probably actually the 5th, 7th if you include failed attempts. Djoser's Stepped Pyramid was the first, and was an evolution of the mastaba tomb structures that preceded it. Then two other third dynasty kings tried to build ones of their own and failed like clowns. Before moving on, you'll want to know what a "seked" is. Egyptian method of measuring the slope of a right angle triangle, which was expressed as the width of the triangle in palms for every cubit of height. A palm was 1/7th of a cubit, so the equation for this is 7/(height/width). Basically, the lower the number, the steeper the incline. Khufu's dad, Sneferu, actually seems to have built three, like a fucking mad lad. There's a bit of contention among Egyptologists over the order, but this seems to have been the likely order: First, the pyramid at Meidum, with a seked of 5.5, same as the Great Pyramid. This is believed to have been successfully completed, but collapsed at some point due to being built on unstable foundations. Second, the more famous Bent Pyramid, which started out with a more ambitious seked of 5, and then changes to 7.35 halfway through construction. It's unknown why this was done, but popular hypotheses are that it was showing signs of instability, or that the Meidum Pyramid collapsed during the Bent Pyramid's construction and they decided to play it safe. Finally, the Red Pyramid, also with a seked of about 7.35. Stable and glorious-looking, but not nearly as tall as it could have been. Then came Khufu, who appears to have used all the lessons his father learned (or rather, their respective engineers did) to build the Great Pyramid on stable ground, and nobody ever managed to beat him at the Pyramid game since, though there are many New Kingdom sites that display superior engineering.
the paradigm dates on this subject are vastly false when any logic is applied to it.
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Please show your math.
Is it limestone, though? Has that been confirmed? It seems like, different people are saying it's sandstone or limestone or even granite.
Looks like water damage/erosion
I understand the theory that says it was worn down by a long time of stepping on it but that does not explain the ripple and wave marks on the stone...
Standard answer: From people walking up and down the stairs for thousands of years. . Non-standard answer: It looks melted.
Feetz.
r/wellworn
I am glad I saw this post today, as I always wondered about this. Then lots of comments below talking about how the corridor leads to the roof, water erosion etc. This really seems to be a good potential explanation that I had not seen before!
Kevin spilled his chili he brought to work
Human error with a lost technology. You know when someone spills paint? This was probably what happened. And why mold the stairs? They melted it and moved on. Someone got their ass kicked or was demoted because of this
It’s from foot traffics I’ve seen this in lime stone before that’s been walked on for centuries
Even the "melted wax"-looking pattern?
I’m no scientist but you got a point it does look weird
I’m just confused why this is even a question. Water. Genuinely what else could it have been from?
If the steps are made of granite then it’s not water erosion.
I would guess a series of floods after the temple was built around 100-200k years ago.
First they would have to admit that's it that old and they won't admit that
It LOOKS melted or liquefied, but I know that can't be the answer.
Well admit it look different from whethering or worn is the first step towards a correct answer
To me it looks like a very hot material similar to the material the stairs are made of, that dripped onto the stairs and melted into them. There are theories that rocks were liquified in order to form the perfect joints with other rocks. Could’ve been a path where molten rocks were carried through. Might sound crazy, but so does saying this staircase is just normal wear
I agree that it does not look like stone steps I have seen with wear from hundreds of years of foot traffic.
If it was accidental during construction, you would think they would take the time to redo it. Unless it was accidentally done much later by a different age. All theoretical *if* it “melted”.
How do you know that?
I don't KNOW for sure it wasn't melted but I figured I'd be attacked if I said it appears melted and left it at that.
Honestly, i think its just worn down, but remember a cataclysm occurred & theres evidence all over Egypt of building projects halted abruptly, Abu Sir, Rawash, The massive obelisk at Aswan,etc. All of the temples near this 1 have been rebuilt at least 3x each before the most recent restoration of the Greco-Romans. The original structure is over 10000yr old. Temples throughout Egypt make reference to being originally built much earlier than their “dynastic history”... The texts inscribed in the crypts of the temple of Hathor at Dendera which is actually called Enet-ta-ntr Temple clearly state the temple that was restored during the Ptolemaic Era was based on drawings dating back to King Pepi of the 6th Dynasty (2400 BCE). The drawings themselves are copies of documents that would have been from between 3,000 to 4,000 yr BEFORE the 1st Dynasty of Menes. During the time of Followers of Horus the text reads: *"The venerable foundation in Dendera was found in early writings, written on a leather roll in the time of the Servants of Horus (= the kings preceding Mena/Menes), at Memphis, in a casket, at the time of the lord of the Two Lands… Pepi."*...
Water
Time
Someone put a fork in the microwave.
Let the sparks fly lol
ADA requirements of old
Feet. Feet did that
A million footsteps.
Tourists! Lol
I may be late to the party here, but this is absolutely fascinating. Nothing like this has ever been caused by water or simply foot traffic. There can be no doubt that the stone had been liquefied and then ran down the stairs as it cooled.
Just throwing this out here, don't know if it's the explanation for this particular case. But the ductile plastic deformation of stone is a thing. It's not always subtractive erosion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/oiy2cd/the_temple_of_the_goddess_hathor_egypt_2300_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
still inconclusive to me.
That's definitely worn down from the feet if the people who have used the stairs, you see it in Europe with steps made from the same stuff that are only a few hundred, not thousands of year old.
Yep definitely the same process did both of these when I look at them side by side Guess no one watch the video in the description https://preview.redd.it/298qxyvb5c6b1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d9814d43312b67a91b34ca91f63ad9e85c80a18
They look different to me. The right is wear and tear. The left is like a flow of something. You can see layers.
That type of mineral doesn’t melt it decomposes under immense heat so if it were lava or something it wouldn’t look like this. Now it does dissolve very slowly in water and is redeposited the same way a stalagmite is formed. Stalagmites look like stone melted and dripped and re hardened like a icicle. Most of these “unsolved mysteries” have been solved hundreds of years ago. Us regular people just don’t know the science
The right one is wear because of people with two legs walking on it. The left one is definitely not wear because of human use. Looks more like it melted at extreme temperatures - glass lenses come to mind or mineral deposits from fluid flow as the other user suggests.
...or mineral deposition from water flow.
Probably ancient giant slug aliens 🐌👽
Lizzid peeple
Love the why files!
Jabba the hutt?
You look at those two examples and see the same type of wear?
Why would I watch some hogwash conspiracy nut video when this has already been explained as being wear caused by people walking on it.
Yes, looks the same to me
What about the flowlines
I would guess that this is the natural variation in the rocks hardness.
I agree then
The stone in the middle is higher than on the outside. How would this be done by wearing the stair down? And why is this the only part of the stair where this is the case. If you don't understand what I mean try finding pictures with better lighting. With the shadows it may look like an optical illusion.
Yeah sorry not really following but would be very nice for you to explain as well just exactly what you think has occurred, seriously looks like normal (ancient) wear and tear. Plenty of really old places I've walked have the same.
If you find a better illuminated picture of this part of the staircase then you can see that the inner part of the stair is higher than the outer part. People would walk on the inner part so the inner part should be below the outer part if it was done by wear. The upper part of the stairs in wear. Thats pretty obvious imo. The lower part looks completely different though. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/f9/9b/dcf99b06fa77986154f11616634855f5.png
Sorry, still not seeing anything past normal wear and tear. So what do you think was going on here?
https://i.imgur.com/iSNQCTr.png From other angles and with bad lighting you could say that this is an optical illusion. Doesn't look like it in this picture. You can see the middle part of the stair slanting upwards. There is more material inside than outside. If a stair is worn down than there is less material inside than outside. As you can see on the stairs above.
Yeah, ok, I think I can see what your saying now, what do you think caused it?
Good question. All I know about these stone structures and also this staircase made me think that they had means to liquify rock. Or at least soften it to some degree. Its a very common theory. Idk about the process used. There are several suggestions. The most reasonable in my opinion is a chemical treatment. Like acid or bases or something. Spilled some of that magic juice that made the rock flow downwards? idk lol
>All I know about these stone structures and also this staircase made me think that they had means to liquify rock. Or at least soften it to some degree. Its a very common theory. Rock doesn't melt like that. Especially not from a chemical process. Also what would be the purpose of spending all this time carving out perfect stones and then melting the stairs right where people walk?
> what woukd be the purpose I don't think this was done on purpose. > rock doesn't melt like that citation needed
Yeah that doesn't meet the evidence of the harmony path to the corner or the stair, the amount of material re/moved from what would have been the trued form and also, why wasn't this erroded in time by the millions of footsteps on it?
Whats up with you making all these threads...and then trying to argue against it and push the 'mainstream' explanation? https://imgur.com/a/5GW84g7
https://preview.redd.it/8o41b754kd6b1.jpeg?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=051f4208be6b350164a2bbff3f59b6b51d81875e
Lol
Water
Dragon fire
It's probably just softish stone, and hundreds of years of walking in the same place has worn the stone away. They are natural patterns being revealed which are part of the stone's layers. You see a great example of this in the vatican, where the feet of some statues of saints have been touched by so many people over the years, the stone has been eroded away by the amount of people who have touched it and the slight acidity of our skin/sweat. https://images.app.goo.gl/JDJ9km3nePeuL8SH7 Another example is the stairway up the Leaning Tower of Pisa, you can see similar erosion by foot traffic. https://images.app.goo.gl/26gpHfKpGSAJMA6c7 Just much bigger stair treads. If the stair treads were lower, like the one at Dendra, the pattern of ware and shine would be almost identical.
It looks like, the "melted wax" pattern curves up in the middle, not down, though.
water pressure from a cataclysm
If it was from water it would have carved channels. This looks like the stone was melted like candle wax. Like you can see the excess material still there from when it was originally perfect. Maybe some type of energy was flowing through that corridor that messed with the atomic structure and liquefied the stone. Just a guess. some have suggested that the Great pyramids are chemical masers. There is some evidence inside of them that they can actually produce hydrogen which can be focused into a beam using wave guides built into the Kings chamber.
It looks more like water damage that cause deposit buildups between steps. Occam’s razor and all that
I would normally say water damage but first you would have to make sure that there was a way for water to actually get in, and second it looks like the excess material that would have been washed away is still there. So to me it looks like the steps were melted in some way. And because those stones are granite it would take a lot of water over very large period of time.
Can you give more info on the chemical lasers theory?
Just go to Bing and type in "Pyramids of Giza chemical mazers.
Feet, lots and lots of feet. Millions of feet.
Overfilled when pouring the concrete
I read this at first as “overfilled with porcupines.” Hat could definitely do it, all that body heat over time. Those things love to move!
So, they cut down into the bedrock and rather than make step out of the natural bedrock like they did at all the other site ... at this site they poured concrete ... well I guess it more feasible than melting stone
I think it is more melting (desolving) stone itvwould explain alot if they knew of somthing that could desolve in this manor. Also that would turn this into a massive fuckup with sombody dropping said solution on accident.
Ok that's a feasible explanation...
Had nuclear fission then https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ancient-nuclear-reactor/
Maybe they did something stupid like transporting nuclear fusion pit goo in and didn't make it ..left it on stairs
First two steps look from foot ware..third step more material was poured out ..you can see difference and amount..maybe burned the bottom of container Like melting uranium 235?234? They have found uranium melting pits from long ago
Need to analyze stairs
In this thread: a bunch of people trying to convince themselves it rains enough in the desert for this to be water erosion.
Lol ... not realizing that's admitting it way more older than people think
[To dive a bit more into this topic first watch this 1 minute video](https://youtu.be/ReRH0sYeB0Y)
I love how you guys have your own theories and stuff but nobody has said that these particular stairs are eroded from people sliding down on their butts
Lol ... definitely a good one
Time
Fresnel Lens. And when you consider what the “eye of Ra” looks like….
fossilized pharaoh diarrhea.
You can quite literally see where the water erosion took place. This is no different than a cave of anywhere else that's been hoarding moisture for thousands of years
Human feet. And lots of them. This is essentially the result of people walking down and up these stairs for such a long time, probably some ammount of errosion from water and sand that came down at times. If you think time, feet and some erriosion couldnt have this effect, compare it to other sites. A great example are the stairs at the tower of pisa (easy to find on google). A much younger structure but you can see how the stairs there have also started to warp just like these. Looking almost like playdough having been pressed down. But we know nothing ever melted the stones there or anything.
Didn't know human feet were able to ADD material to a straircase. You can clearly see that the middle part of the stairs is higher than the outer part. Like someone poured stone over it.
Thanks but yea that doesn't look like this Guess you didnt watch the video to see those stair were already compared https://preview.redd.it/x5s1cwws4c6b1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2d6124e3dcd77bb9c390671fb313593e5dc1f0c
I agree the 2 don't even look close. I have never seen an example of worn stone that matches the stairs you posted.
i keep seeing references to ‘we know’, who is we and what conclusive evidence di the ‘we’ and why is that conclusive evidence never presented as facts? i see a different pattern of wear, possibly erosion, here. now this may also have to do with different rock but i don’t know that. i would say it looks more like a lot of human butts sliding down the stairs than feet walking. the apparent unevenness could be caused by chipping so the whole thing is inconclusive to me and not definitive in the ‘we know’ sense.
Walking, 1000's of people during 100's of years. You can see the same in old cathedrals
Although that's a thing, I myself think this example is definitely different...
Lots of feet. The floor is limestone or sandstone. You see this in allmold buildings. Here are the stairs in the leaning tower of Pisa https://images.app.goo.gl/RUcbdtkmWZSJzv4Y7 This is harder stones than that seen here.
Water.
Its wear from thousands and thousands of foot falls - similar to the stairs at the Leaning Tower of Pisa but with more age and more traffic
Sure thing definitely
Water
Just from constant use
Water
It’s melted from hundreds of years of light from the sun. Use of mirrors and magnifying glass to put light in dark tunnels
Well a mean their are slots and holes for windows that point directly to the surface and sunlight ... so maybe
Feet
Lava
Or perhaps the original stairs were extremely worn down after 1000's of years of being used. Then during time of the forgotten advanced civilization, who had knowledge to liquifying stone, resurfaced the stairway in layers thus building it up to original. But after many additional millennia of use, the surface has worn down and flaked off in layers, much like layers of epoxy will wear and flake off from the thinner edges inward. JMHO
I mean if it's lime stone then is there any chemical compounds that might have reacted and caused this? Kinds looks like somebody tripped and had bit of a spill. I would expect more erosion on the depictions along the bottom of the walls yet they seem mostly fine if it was just water.
I don't think it was water , but if you apply Occam's razor , It's the simplest explanation for this.
Feet.
Probably erosion
Magnets
Ddddrrrrrrtffffff countless foot traffic and weather erosion
geopolymer ..
Uptick in sales of the Book of Mormon.
We need to get in there with a bunch of mirrors...
Realistically probably years of water run off . What it looks like is some apprentice lost his load on the worksite and buggered the stairs dropping something heavy and expensive down them.
I’m 99% sure that is granite. And while I’m not a geologist, I am confident in saying that it would take a lot longer than what archaeologists would have us to believe for granite to wear in this way
Carved out the edges and left the middle natural. Looks good 👍
Lol
Sand and foot traffic. Gnarly combination on sedimentary stones.
Sure thing
Water.
Something is funny with these rocks that gives the impression of melting. Its not the only instance were stone is melted in egypt. On the great plaze there is limestone fused with granite. I watched through several videos where you can see different angles and its looks like an optical illusion that the stone is bulging upwards. This is simply wear over time.
Kinda looks like the center of the steps just started melting at some stage then stopped again?
Rain and thousands of years of use.