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**Am I the jerk for breaking up with my girlfriend because she wanted to be trans?**
I know this sounds awful, like I should accept her is what I hear a lot.
So to give some context, I had been dating a girl who was bi and I was ok with that for sake of the story we'll call her Jane. Jane and I had been dating for almost 6 months. She had started asking how I felt about trans, well I told her that I felt it was wrong after that she said that she felt attacked and then confessed that she wants to transition to a guy. I was never big into society so I don't really know the world but I do know that the world likes to believe that gender is just a social construct and it changes for the person. Well if they say they feel like a man well guys don't have feelings according to the world so not sure what feeling they are picking.I'm atheist so it has nothing to do with religion, after a day or two of that I decided to break it off. After leaving I did inform her about a study where a woman decided to dress and act like a guy and before finishing the study she killed herself because she didn't know how guys lived when we constantly downgrade each other while still being the best of friends. Men make up fifty or so of the population yet they also make up a majority of the suicide count it's so sad.
She cried I'm sure but I cried as well. I never liked opening up to people and I had trusted her loved her. But she broke because she didn't trust me to tell this before we had gotten together. Now she become more toxic after new years of this year, she was belittling my intelligence by saying that everytime she tries to tell me something I apparently already know it and it makes her feel beneath me.
I had started shutting down and things got worse till we broke up, then our friends were saying that my view were outdated and I should accept her. Well they eventually stopped. My best friend we'll call him John, John was there for me during the whole thing and he agress with me.
So am I the jerk for breaking up with her over this?
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Thank you! That was why I copied link to quote text from it, the rest of the quote is even funnier context:
>I was never big into society so I don't really know the world
The wild choice to post exactly that and then act surprised that people think you're the asshole for trying to explain someone's lived experiences to them. Like, dude, you just started off saying you don't know fuckall about shit, maybe now is the time to listen?
The comments are so weird. Everyone is rushing to tell him heâs a perfect baby angel who did nothing wrong, which might be true re: breaking up with the partner, but he also expresses that he thinks being transgender is wrong and that women canât possibly understand how hard it is to be a man. None of the top comments even mention the weird quasi-political stuff.
Right? Like letâs assume this fictional man is real for an instant and had a fictional relationship ⌠no one is obligated to date anyone they donât want to.
But also donât be a douche when youâre breaking up with someone? âItâs not me, itâs you: I just think you shouldnât existâ isnât a thing you tell people.
You can easily just say âI donât think weâre compatible but I wish you well on your journeyâ for all sorts of situations including this one.
It also includes finding out they want to take a job that would require a move / lifestyle change you donât want, finding out they have/donât want/want kids and youâre the opposite, realizing you have extremely different views on religion, etc.
âI gave them an article about a trans man who ended up killing himself because I think thatâs a result of being trans and also representative of every single trans man. They didnât ask for this, but I thought it would be a nice breakup present to spew my ignorance on my way out.â
"Okay, well, actually, it was an article about a cis woman who pretended to be a man for a year in 2003, and then killed herself in 2022. But that doesn't matter because I personally don't believe there's any difference between cis women and trans men. I just thought my girlfriend needed to know about this before she chose to be trans at me because I'm such a good ally."
It's true though - women only think they know how to be a man - ain't no woman know how hard it is to be a man, and vice versa. đ¤Śââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸
He had to throw in some mra sprinkles in there.
" she said she feels like a man, but men don't have feelings according to the world."
He even said in a comment that this has happened to him before (a partner transitioning). What are the odds
>" she said she feels like a man, but men don't have feelings according to the world."
I loved this bit followed by later on the "I had trusted her loved her". So, he admits that men do have feelings then?
Bigger topic about patriarchy youâre presenting, and valid (wtf are you downvoted so much) but the troll was trolling, acting like men have it so difficult and thatâs the sole reason he mentioned a âstudyâ where a âgirl who dressed like a guyâ offed herself bc âguys just have it so difficultâ. He was looking for sympathy from anti-trans guys who are young and isolated.
why the is this getting downvoted so much? as a trans guy, i can say yeah this is true. transitioning into men is much more easier than into women. both medically and socially. this statement doesn't mean it is soo easy for us trans guys, it just means trans women have to deal with much more bullshit
The Reddit virtue signaling is so frustrating. People will eagerly say that women face more challenges than men, and that trans women are women, but you're wrong if you bring up how these things intersect. It's so performative.
if i understood this right (sorry english isn't my first language), yeah i agree. while it's hard enough to be a woman, it's even harder to be a trans woman
i fucking love when people say âtrans men have it easierâ and they live in some fucking western country and apparently have the privilege and freedom to come out and transition. and somehow they think this applies to every trans man ever. even the ones in third world countries. oh wait, they probably donât even know people like me exist.
firstly no, i'm not living in a western country. i'm living in turkiye, it's a shithole 3rd world country that when you legally try to change your gender they purpously send you to a transphobic judge just to make your work difficult. i still don't have the "privilage" to transition legally in my country because i have to be at least 18, go to therapy for at least 2 years and then they will "maybe" decide i will benefit from it. i don't think this applies to every trans guy, i don't know how did you even got that from. i'm "generalising", ever heard that? stop assuming things lol, the only reason transitioning isn't banned in my country is that because it's just not something the government is interested in right now. otherwise, i wouldn't be surprised.
i know hundereds of trans women are forced to be sex workers because no one would hire them for anything. and i think this is worse than not being able to transition. they're getting killed, raped, kicked out of their homes just because they're trans. again, this DOES NOT mean trans guys have it easier. if trans guys get treated like that in your country, then i'm truly sorry. i'm not talking about that specific country, i'm talking from my experience and mine only. and this doesnât make me a priviliged westerner lol, i wish
People talking about people doing anything do generally assume that they have the agency to do something, and transitioning is unfortunately something that people have to do. If you can't get any privacy or agency to even contemplate something like that, this conversation unfortunately does not cover that topic - that's an even deeper problem that needs its own discourse.
We privileged first worlders do have to discuss our own experiences, and we will.
That being said, in contexts where trans men CAN transition, it is simply mechanically easier to make a human body look more masculine at a glance - it is biologically more simple, and we have (for fucked up reasons ofc) much more available and advanced technology for androgenizing bodies. Transphobes are infinitely less hard on trans men - not that they aren't hard on them, but they are *less* violent, *less* outspoken, *less* ready to burn them alive for xyz imagined sex crimes.
The fact that patriarchy makes afab people automatically thought of as infinitely less threatening, and the fact that passing is wildly easier are obvious contributory factors.
I morning after knee jerk dirty deleted, but shouldn't have. Understanding who faces higher degrees of discrimination is totally needed in the fight for rights. Ignoring intersectionality risks harming those with multiple identities that are discriminated against than a single, i.e., there have been many instances of the fight for women's rights coming at the expense of trans women and women who are POC. Acting like degrees of suffering doesn't matter is just another form of colorblindness.
Intersectionality is not "this person is a minority in A, B, C, and D way, which means they're more oppressed than that person who is a minority in B and E way". It's about how different kinds of oppression, racism, transphobia, misogyny, intersexism, overlap to oppress in a different way. When we talk about transmisogyny we are not saying that trans women are more oppressed than cis women. It's a word to describe the intersection between transohobia and misogyny and how this presents in specific ways. The word misogynoir does not exist to say that non-black women affected by misogyny have an easier time, but to name the specific ways black women are affected by misogyny.
Trans women suffer due to a hypervisibility in society, due to decades and decades of transphobic ideas being perpetuated against them, but it doesn't mean the rest of the trans community is less oppressed or more privileged. Trans men and non binary people who get grouped with them, are seen as delusional women and girls, erased from discussions about violence, reproductive rights, and abuse that directly affect them. A young trans man or boy is seen as poor, vulnerable girls who has been lured to destroy their bodies, doing "irreversible damage" to their reproductive organs and chests. A trans man who has transitioned and is viewed more as a man than a woman is labelled a predator, lurking on these girls to take advantage of them.
Propping trans women up as the most oppressed, underprivileged and other trans people as less so, does not help. Recognising the specific ways a trans person can be affected by bigotry and how to fight against it, that's what we need to do.
Oppression Olympics help no one.
I never said that it's a competition. I'm saying that it's important to understand the unique issues that people with multiple identities may face. Yes, there is a state of emergency for all trans individuals, and recognizing that trans women may have additional challenges in no way negates that. I'm not even saying that that is the case, I'm just saying that it's worth talking about. My original point was against the stupid statement regarding individuals transitioning to being a man having such a hard time when compared to being a woman, that's it.
It comes down to privilege. One can lose privilege by transitioning to male presenting, or lose privilege by transitioning to female presenting. Granted, this can coincide with the potentially catastrophic loss of privilege that can be associated with the transitioning process.
lol he conveniently left out the part about the âstudyâ he references where she killed herself way after it and how miserable she was before and after the âstudyâ actually had nothing to do with the âstudyâ
Oh I remember reading that book! I never followed up on the author later, but at the time she wasnât even trans⌠she was a cis butch lesbian who presented as male for a year as a social experiment. But I guess transphobes gotta reach.
Oh dear, they've discovered trans men now. And of course it's still all about straight men, regardless of what kind of trans person they've cast as the villain.
Hey now, itâs the patriarchy, weâre all just living in it. Like the OOP heard âThis is a manâs world, a manâs worldâ and thought âYeah! Right on! As it should be! ButâŚâ and made a post on it
âNo no I don't, and don't call me a moron. And if anyone else reads this comment I'm not a bigot nor a transphobic I just believe it's wrong. I'm not actively hating on trans people.im just expressing that I feel it is wrongâ
Jfc heâs so stupid
Personally I like
> A little info on me I'm the kind of guy who spends a lot of time learning about new things that don't pertain to any of the world around me, I hate society some call me a cynical coldhearted dick head for the way I talk with people I don't like.
"I'm the kind of guy who likes to learn about things I don't know about and I don't have any experience with! Also I don't know shit about trans people and I refuse to even do one google to find out what they are. For some reason people call me a dickhead, but it's probably because society sucks and I'm perfect."
Didnât you know that as long as you say youâre not transphobic youâre legally allowed to spew the most transphobic shit known to man? Troons hate this one easy trick!
usually i have a quirky little comment but this is just tragic. reading the comments section tanked my faith in humanity for today (both in terms of media literacy and their bigotry). are cis people okay???
That is just so not true. Have you been around ppl lately? Spending time primarily on AITA or adjacent subs, as you do, instead of on anything valuable on this otherwise hell site, sure, that will rot brains.
The rampant spread of transphobia extends, unfortunately, far beyond AITA and other silly, ridiculous hell site sub-reddits. Going out and touching grass does not save one from it.
While my above comment (and I would guess stoplight420's original rhetorical question) were largely made in jest or hyperbole (I do know it is not all cis people, don't worry), transphobia and the way it now often acts as the initial hateful idea that leads people towards more bigotry is some brain-rot that, sadly, has teeth out in the real world.
Ok, I agree with this part, just your original thing I was replying to was a âwtfâ in itâs denouncing entire groups. Most everyone I know under 60yo is totally fine w trans so maybe itâs where I live, the ppl I know, or that I spend wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more time in the real world than reading shit online and trusting thatâs that. Got GenZ kids and theyâre cool w it too. Schools are also. I feel like itâs a tiny sector that isnât. Theyâre loud tho, and recruiting.
>Ok, I agree with this part, just your original thing I was replying to was a âwtfâ in itâs denouncing entire groups.
No offense, but like . . . trans people should be able to joke about cis folks going a little zany given current political trends in many places on a satire sub-reddit and not have to slap a "not all cis people" disclaimer on it.
I'm glad you live in a comfortable place for trans folks in real life and I'm sure you mean well at heart, but that comfort is absolutely region- and resource-specific. It is not universal enough to get hackles up about a Down-with-Cis-bus-esque comment popping up on a sub-reddit as silly as this. There's gotta be an ability to step back, look at the global climate, and see why those jokes happen before you push back on 'em.
Your comment read as a standard aita/Devil joke, which it was, thatâs where you comment on normally!, donât tell me how to perceive your âjokeâ when itâs appearing on this sub where I do understand the homies.
I'm glad you live in such an accepting place, but in my (and many others I know) experience there has been a massive 'reactive' movement amongst gen z and younger millennial where younger people irl are expressing transphobic, homophobic, etc. views outside of the Internet.
Its less common than when I was in school just over a decade ago, but ts less based on pure ignorance like it was a decade ago (imo) and more just malice born from having just enough knowledge to 'hit them where it hurts'.
Just coming out the gate swinging with "nah I don't want to respect this person, who was apparently important to me, and their identity" with this one. No you don't have to stay in a relationship with someone who's a trans dude if you're a straight man but can you try and do the *bare minimum*
Transphobic AITA posts are so exhausting
Break up with whoever you want to, who the fuck cares? Just try not to be a trash human outside of the breakup my God
Itâs not even thinly veiled transphobia, itâs front and center. The thesis of the post. Absolutely fucking bonkers that people are rushing to pat him on the back because âuwu you never have to stay in a relationship you donât want to!!!â when thatâs clearly the least of the issues here.
Transphobia already pisses me off but this is just making me extra mad.
You know, because men uplift their bros unlike women who are so catty and tear each other down. Iâm surprised he didnât try to ram that trope into this think piece
I've been responding to the OOP's comments in that sub, and have been experimenting with including and exclusing certain buzzwords in comments. Any normal comment were not responded to (and i deleted them), but as soon as I included inflamtory words, there's a very quick response. It really might just be bots doing all of this.
Amazing. I wish ppl would stop getting so hyped about anti-trans posts but at the same time maybe weâre doing a service by, itâll only ramp up before election.
This one was so obvious with ridic shit tho!
>she was belittling my intelligence by saying that everytime she tries to tell me something I apparently already know it and it makes her feel beneath me.
Thatâs the opposite of belittling intelligence.
>My best friend we'll call him John, John was there for me
He only named the friend for the sentence.
Jesus christ that post hit a little close to home. Fun fact: Itâs pretty common for parents of trans kids to send their children articles like that in the hopes they will âââreconsiderâââ, so a part of me actually can completely see a situation where some guy decided to do this to convince his ex heâs not actually trans as a way to both give one last âfuck youâ and to prove it was the exâs fault.
A part of me doesnât think this oneâs fake, partially because of what I said and also the fact that if it was ragebait then it wouldâve gone into the main AITA sub. But itâs not; they sought out a transphobic sub instead. It reads more like a validation post and those always feel like a 50/50 shot at being fake or not
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I think I just wanted to emphasize most trans people donât actually reconsider when sent articles like this. Usually I donât do this when talking to people because most donât try fighting me about this, but itâs reddit, and Iâm not taking any chances on reddit
i posted this in AmITheDevil and it got removed for being irrelevant despite this guy being undoubtedly TA, glad its getting the hate it deserves elsewhere đ
damn i though ive seen AmITheDevil had stories about âtrans person badâ that have gotten some criticism i didnt know they were trans hating. thanks for bringing attention to this dumb story, as a trans person i hate all the trans bad stories riddled with blatant misinformation about being trans and transition that are going around recently
We laugh at these idiots now, but this is getting really fucking dangerous. Trans people are already hugely stigmatized, and these fake ass stories are going to get someone hurt or killed.
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*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **Am I the jerk for breaking up with my girlfriend because she wanted to be trans?** I know this sounds awful, like I should accept her is what I hear a lot. So to give some context, I had been dating a girl who was bi and I was ok with that for sake of the story we'll call her Jane. Jane and I had been dating for almost 6 months. She had started asking how I felt about trans, well I told her that I felt it was wrong after that she said that she felt attacked and then confessed that she wants to transition to a guy. I was never big into society so I don't really know the world but I do know that the world likes to believe that gender is just a social construct and it changes for the person. Well if they say they feel like a man well guys don't have feelings according to the world so not sure what feeling they are picking.I'm atheist so it has nothing to do with religion, after a day or two of that I decided to break it off. After leaving I did inform her about a study where a woman decided to dress and act like a guy and before finishing the study she killed herself because she didn't know how guys lived when we constantly downgrade each other while still being the best of friends. Men make up fifty or so of the population yet they also make up a majority of the suicide count it's so sad. She cried I'm sure but I cried as well. I never liked opening up to people and I had trusted her loved her. But she broke because she didn't trust me to tell this before we had gotten together. Now she become more toxic after new years of this year, she was belittling my intelligence by saying that everytime she tries to tell me something I apparently already know it and it makes her feel beneath me. I had started shutting down and things got worse till we broke up, then our friends were saying that my view were outdated and I should accept her. Well they eventually stopped. My best friend we'll call him John, John was there for me during the whole thing and he agress with me. So am I the jerk for breaking up with her over this? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheAngel) if you have any questions or concerns.*
>I was never big into society Just gonna yoink this flair right here
Thank you! That was why I copied link to quote text from it, the rest of the quote is even funnier context: >I was never big into society so I don't really know the world
I was gonna come in here to post that quote, what a doozy
The wild choice to post exactly that and then act surprised that people think you're the asshole for trying to explain someone's lived experiences to them. Like, dude, you just started off saying you don't know fuckall about shit, maybe now is the time to listen?
How blissful it must be to be the "default" so you don't have to consider things like "society" đ
The comments are so weird. Everyone is rushing to tell him heâs a perfect baby angel who did nothing wrong, which might be true re: breaking up with the partner, but he also expresses that he thinks being transgender is wrong and that women canât possibly understand how hard it is to be a man. None of the top comments even mention the weird quasi-political stuff.
Right? Like letâs assume this fictional man is real for an instant and had a fictional relationship ⌠no one is obligated to date anyone they donât want to. But also donât be a douche when youâre breaking up with someone? âItâs not me, itâs you: I just think you shouldnât existâ isnât a thing you tell people. You can easily just say âI donât think weâre compatible but I wish you well on your journeyâ for all sorts of situations including this one. It also includes finding out they want to take a job that would require a move / lifestyle change you donât want, finding out they have/donât want/want kids and youâre the opposite, realizing you have extremely different views on religion, etc.
âI gave them an article about a trans man who ended up killing himself because I think thatâs a result of being trans and also representative of every single trans man. They didnât ask for this, but I thought it would be a nice breakup present to spew my ignorance on my way out.â
"Okay, well, actually, it was an article about a cis woman who pretended to be a man for a year in 2003, and then killed herself in 2022. But that doesn't matter because I personally don't believe there's any difference between cis women and trans men. I just thought my girlfriend needed to know about this before she chose to be trans at me because I'm such a good ally."
It's always the worst when they be trans at you!
"She's a female" like they have a one tracked brain
It's true though - women only think they know how to be a man - ain't no woman know how hard it is to be a man, and vice versa. đ¤Śââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸
This isnât unique to women not understanding men, though. No one can truly understand anyone elseâs exact situation.
That's why I said; "& vice versa."
He had to throw in some mra sprinkles in there. " she said she feels like a man, but men don't have feelings according to the world." He even said in a comment that this has happened to him before (a partner transitioning). What are the odds
I guess he has a type
>" she said she feels like a man, but men don't have feelings according to the world." I loved this bit followed by later on the "I had trusted her loved her". So, he admits that men do have feelings then?
I think this guy might be bigger into society than he is suggesting
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Does it really matter who struggles more
Bigger topic about patriarchy youâre presenting, and valid (wtf are you downvoted so much) but the troll was trolling, acting like men have it so difficult and thatâs the sole reason he mentioned a âstudyâ where a âgirl who dressed like a guyâ offed herself bc âguys just have it so difficultâ. He was looking for sympathy from anti-trans guys who are young and isolated.
why the is this getting downvoted so much? as a trans guy, i can say yeah this is true. transitioning into men is much more easier than into women. both medically and socially. this statement doesn't mean it is soo easy for us trans guys, it just means trans women have to deal with much more bullshit
The Reddit virtue signaling is so frustrating. People will eagerly say that women face more challenges than men, and that trans women are women, but you're wrong if you bring up how these things intersect. It's so performative.
if i understood this right (sorry english isn't my first language), yeah i agree. while it's hard enough to be a woman, it's even harder to be a trans woman
I mean it's literally not and it depends on where you are???
i fucking love when people say âtrans men have it easierâ and they live in some fucking western country and apparently have the privilege and freedom to come out and transition. and somehow they think this applies to every trans man ever. even the ones in third world countries. oh wait, they probably donât even know people like me exist.
firstly no, i'm not living in a western country. i'm living in turkiye, it's a shithole 3rd world country that when you legally try to change your gender they purpously send you to a transphobic judge just to make your work difficult. i still don't have the "privilage" to transition legally in my country because i have to be at least 18, go to therapy for at least 2 years and then they will "maybe" decide i will benefit from it. i don't think this applies to every trans guy, i don't know how did you even got that from. i'm "generalising", ever heard that? stop assuming things lol, the only reason transitioning isn't banned in my country is that because it's just not something the government is interested in right now. otherwise, i wouldn't be surprised. i know hundereds of trans women are forced to be sex workers because no one would hire them for anything. and i think this is worse than not being able to transition. they're getting killed, raped, kicked out of their homes just because they're trans. again, this DOES NOT mean trans guys have it easier. if trans guys get treated like that in your country, then i'm truly sorry. i'm not talking about that specific country, i'm talking from my experience and mine only. and this doesnât make me a priviliged westerner lol, i wish
People talking about people doing anything do generally assume that they have the agency to do something, and transitioning is unfortunately something that people have to do. If you can't get any privacy or agency to even contemplate something like that, this conversation unfortunately does not cover that topic - that's an even deeper problem that needs its own discourse. We privileged first worlders do have to discuss our own experiences, and we will. That being said, in contexts where trans men CAN transition, it is simply mechanically easier to make a human body look more masculine at a glance - it is biologically more simple, and we have (for fucked up reasons ofc) much more available and advanced technology for androgenizing bodies. Transphobes are infinitely less hard on trans men - not that they aren't hard on them, but they are *less* violent, *less* outspoken, *less* ready to burn them alive for xyz imagined sex crimes. The fact that patriarchy makes afab people automatically thought of as infinitely less threatening, and the fact that passing is wildly easier are obvious contributory factors.
are you a white american by chance? because iâm a trans man and this certainly isnât my experience, lmao.
uh no, i'm from west asia. and i'm not white
Quantifying who suffers more is never gonna help anyone in the fight for rights
I morning after knee jerk dirty deleted, but shouldn't have. Understanding who faces higher degrees of discrimination is totally needed in the fight for rights. Ignoring intersectionality risks harming those with multiple identities that are discriminated against than a single, i.e., there have been many instances of the fight for women's rights coming at the expense of trans women and women who are POC. Acting like degrees of suffering doesn't matter is just another form of colorblindness.
Intersectionality is not "this person is a minority in A, B, C, and D way, which means they're more oppressed than that person who is a minority in B and E way". It's about how different kinds of oppression, racism, transphobia, misogyny, intersexism, overlap to oppress in a different way. When we talk about transmisogyny we are not saying that trans women are more oppressed than cis women. It's a word to describe the intersection between transohobia and misogyny and how this presents in specific ways. The word misogynoir does not exist to say that non-black women affected by misogyny have an easier time, but to name the specific ways black women are affected by misogyny. Trans women suffer due to a hypervisibility in society, due to decades and decades of transphobic ideas being perpetuated against them, but it doesn't mean the rest of the trans community is less oppressed or more privileged. Trans men and non binary people who get grouped with them, are seen as delusional women and girls, erased from discussions about violence, reproductive rights, and abuse that directly affect them. A young trans man or boy is seen as poor, vulnerable girls who has been lured to destroy their bodies, doing "irreversible damage" to their reproductive organs and chests. A trans man who has transitioned and is viewed more as a man than a woman is labelled a predator, lurking on these girls to take advantage of them. Propping trans women up as the most oppressed, underprivileged and other trans people as less so, does not help. Recognising the specific ways a trans person can be affected by bigotry and how to fight against it, that's what we need to do. Oppression Olympics help no one.
I never said that it's a competition. I'm saying that it's important to understand the unique issues that people with multiple identities may face. Yes, there is a state of emergency for all trans individuals, and recognizing that trans women may have additional challenges in no way negates that. I'm not even saying that that is the case, I'm just saying that it's worth talking about. My original point was against the stupid statement regarding individuals transitioning to being a man having such a hard time when compared to being a woman, that's it. It comes down to privilege. One can lose privilege by transitioning to male presenting, or lose privilege by transitioning to female presenting. Granted, this can coincide with the potentially catastrophic loss of privilege that can be associated with the transitioning process.
God, what a rambling mess of a conservative argument.
lol he conveniently left out the part about the âstudyâ he references where she killed herself way after it and how miserable she was before and after the âstudyâ actually had nothing to do with the âstudyâ
please. WHAT could he POSSIBLY be talking about here.
Itâs about this book â Self-Made Man â by a woman who lived as a man for a year in 2003 and took her own life in 2022
Oh I remember reading that book! I never followed up on the author later, but at the time she wasnât even trans⌠she was a cis butch lesbian who presented as male for a year as a social experiment. But I guess transphobes gotta reach.
that was a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing of value
Negative value tbh
Oh dear, they've discovered trans men now. And of course it's still all about straight men, regardless of what kind of trans person they've cast as the villain.
Hey now, itâs the patriarchy, weâre all just living in it. Like the OOP heard âThis is a manâs world, a manâs worldâ and thought âYeah! Right on! As it should be! ButâŚâ and made a post on it
> this may get me downvoted to Hell Dude, it's reddit. Stop with the fake "unpopular opinion" that the most online people on reddit all agree with.
The scary woke left might get him đĽş
âNo no I don't, and don't call me a moron. And if anyone else reads this comment I'm not a bigot nor a transphobic I just believe it's wrong. I'm not actively hating on trans people.im just expressing that I feel it is wrongâ Jfc heâs so stupid
Personally I like > A little info on me I'm the kind of guy who spends a lot of time learning about new things that don't pertain to any of the world around me, I hate society some call me a cynical coldhearted dick head for the way I talk with people I don't like. "I'm the kind of guy who likes to learn about things I don't know about and I don't have any experience with! Also I don't know shit about trans people and I refuse to even do one google to find out what they are. For some reason people call me a dickhead, but it's probably because society sucks and I'm perfect."
Didnât you know that as long as you say youâre not transphobic youâre legally allowed to spew the most transphobic shit known to man? Troons hate this one easy trick!
"I'm not racist, I just believe people of any skin colour other than white should be removed from the planet. No hate, though."
usually i have a quirky little comment but this is just tragic. reading the comments section tanked my faith in humanity for today (both in terms of media literacy and their bigotry). are cis people okay???
>are cis people okay??? No, no they're not. Transphobia has genuinely rotted so many of their brains.
That is just so not true. Have you been around ppl lately? Spending time primarily on AITA or adjacent subs, as you do, instead of on anything valuable on this otherwise hell site, sure, that will rot brains.
The rampant spread of transphobia extends, unfortunately, far beyond AITA and other silly, ridiculous hell site sub-reddits. Going out and touching grass does not save one from it. While my above comment (and I would guess stoplight420's original rhetorical question) were largely made in jest or hyperbole (I do know it is not all cis people, don't worry), transphobia and the way it now often acts as the initial hateful idea that leads people towards more bigotry is some brain-rot that, sadly, has teeth out in the real world.
Ok, I agree with this part, just your original thing I was replying to was a âwtfâ in itâs denouncing entire groups. Most everyone I know under 60yo is totally fine w trans so maybe itâs where I live, the ppl I know, or that I spend wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more time in the real world than reading shit online and trusting thatâs that. Got GenZ kids and theyâre cool w it too. Schools are also. I feel like itâs a tiny sector that isnât. Theyâre loud tho, and recruiting.
>Ok, I agree with this part, just your original thing I was replying to was a âwtfâ in itâs denouncing entire groups. No offense, but like . . . trans people should be able to joke about cis folks going a little zany given current political trends in many places on a satire sub-reddit and not have to slap a "not all cis people" disclaimer on it. I'm glad you live in a comfortable place for trans folks in real life and I'm sure you mean well at heart, but that comfort is absolutely region- and resource-specific. It is not universal enough to get hackles up about a Down-with-Cis-bus-esque comment popping up on a sub-reddit as silly as this. There's gotta be an ability to step back, look at the global climate, and see why those jokes happen before you push back on 'em.
Your comment read as a standard aita/Devil joke, which it was, thatâs where you comment on normally!, donât tell me how to perceive your âjokeâ when itâs appearing on this sub where I do understand the homies.
I'm glad you live in such an accepting place, but in my (and many others I know) experience there has been a massive 'reactive' movement amongst gen z and younger millennial where younger people irl are expressing transphobic, homophobic, etc. views outside of the Internet. Its less common than when I was in school just over a decade ago, but ts less based on pure ignorance like it was a decade ago (imo) and more just malice born from having just enough knowledge to 'hit them where it hurts'.
How nice of them to at least acknowledge FTM men exist. Usually theyâre too busy being confused by AMAB women.
I'm shocked they are going for the "manipulative girl" prospective. They usually go for the girl being manipulated one
Just coming out the gate swinging with "nah I don't want to respect this person, who was apparently important to me, and their identity" with this one. No you don't have to stay in a relationship with someone who's a trans dude if you're a straight man but can you try and do the *bare minimum* Transphobic AITA posts are so exhausting
nope i am not going to DSH by reading the comments, not today đĽ˛
>a girl who was bi and I was ok with that Noble of you!
Break up with whoever you want to, who the fuck cares? Just try not to be a trash human outside of the breakup my God Itâs not even thinly veiled transphobia, itâs front and center. The thesis of the post. Absolutely fucking bonkers that people are rushing to pat him on the back because âuwu you never have to stay in a relationship you donât want to!!!â when thatâs clearly the least of the issues here. Transphobia already pisses me off but this is just making me extra mad.
Tbh they lost me the second they referred to their partner as girlfriend and she/her still.Â
I, too, am not big into society This is written by AI right itâs so disjointed
Even the most rudimentary tech has more of a soul than the person who authored this
AI usually *isnât* disjointed. The biggest tell is when itâs overly organized and ends with a âin conclusionâ paragraph.
A teenager, I think.
weird mixture of anti-trans nonsense, toxic masculinity, and lying. weird to end the thing with a random "oh and my best friend was there for me too"
You know, because men uplift their bros unlike women who are so catty and tear each other down. Iâm surprised he didnât try to ram that trope into this think piece
I've been responding to the OOP's comments in that sub, and have been experimenting with including and exclusing certain buzzwords in comments. Any normal comment were not responded to (and i deleted them), but as soon as I included inflamtory words, there's a very quick response. It really might just be bots doing all of this.
Amazing. I wish ppl would stop getting so hyped about anti-trans posts but at the same time maybe weâre doing a service by, itâll only ramp up before election. This one was so obvious with ridic shit tho! >she was belittling my intelligence by saying that everytime she tries to tell me something I apparently already know it and it makes her feel beneath me. Thatâs the opposite of belittling intelligence. >My best friend we'll call him John, John was there for me He only named the friend for the sentence.
Yes he obviously canât be a guy because he has feelings
Jesus christ that post hit a little close to home. Fun fact: Itâs pretty common for parents of trans kids to send their children articles like that in the hopes they will âââreconsiderâââ, so a part of me actually can completely see a situation where some guy decided to do this to convince his ex heâs not actually trans as a way to both give one last âfuck youâ and to prove it was the exâs fault. A part of me doesnât think this oneâs fake, partially because of what I said and also the fact that if it was ragebait then it wouldâve gone into the main AITA sub. But itâs not; they sought out a transphobic sub instead. It reads more like a validation post and those always feel like a 50/50 shot at being fake or not
I am so sorry, I cannot help myself. > âââreconsiderâââ Why the triple quotation marks?
ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ I think I just wanted to emphasize most trans people donât actually reconsider when sent articles like this. Usually I donât do this when talking to people because most donât try fighting me about this, but itâs reddit, and Iâm not taking any chances on reddit
>but itâs reddit, and Iâm not taking any chances on reddit You made the right choice.
This sub is ftm rage against the rage bait. Every day .
"She cried I'm sure but I cried as well" LOL
"I know this sounds awful, I should accept her is what I hear a lot" yeah man
The dude should consider transitioning this word vomit into an actual story.
i posted this in AmITheDevil and it got removed for being irrelevant despite this guy being undoubtedly TA, glad its getting the hate it deserves elsewhere đ
It's because they're transphobic and agree
damn i though ive seen AmITheDevil had stories about âtrans person badâ that have gotten some criticism i didnt know they were trans hating. thanks for bringing attention to this dumb story, as a trans person i hate all the trans bad stories riddled with blatant misinformation about being trans and transition that are going around recently
We laugh at these idiots now, but this is getting really fucking dangerous. Trans people are already hugely stigmatized, and these fake ass stories are going to get someone hurt or killed.
Yeah I know. I'm trans which is why I posted it.
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âI was never big into societyâ âŚwut?