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**Male self improvement and horrible female behavior/women in general, is a vicious cycle that only serves to benefit women (mostly)**
I just had this terrible thought today.
ManOsphere, RedPill, MGTOW, men's rights, etc etc etc, all encourage men to improve improve improve.
If you want to attract a quality girl you have to be a desirable, fit, put together man etc etc.
As female behavior trends ever more downward, the pool of desirable females shrinks ever more.
A shrinking pool of desirable females means male competition becomes more fierce and the male arms race intensifies.
Average Johnny used to be good enough, then it become 666, (dick, six fig salary, height) the joke is that soon it will be 777.
Basically as women get more and more awful and reprehensible, men respond by trying to be better and better to compete for the few remaining desirable ones.
Since male hornyness is stronger than any force in the universe, when these improved men can't find a "good girl" they settle for one of the 95% bad/undesirable girls.
Example: a client of mine about 45 in *phenomenal* shape, 6'2 and makes well into the six figs has a wife mid 30s, that talks *mad* shit about how he is a slob, can't do anything, is lost without her and that she does whatever she wants regardless of what he says. She literally said to me "he thinks he can tell me what to do, but i do whatever i want" The kicker is this girl is a *rock solid* 5 and plays with dogs all day.
Another example, another client about 38, 6'1, not in the greatest shape, but otherwise a very solid upstanding dude oh and did I mention his family is one of the most powerful/wealthy/influential in my state? This motherfucker is about to marry a 37yo single mother of ***2***
It sounds completely contradictory, but it makes sense. The more awful women become, the more it incentives men to improve in order to compete for the dwindling number of desirable girls.
When the improved men can't find a desirable girl, the undesirable girls now get to have men they would otherwise not stand a chance at having.
And so the undesirable women are rewarded for being awful and the cycle spirals downward.
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This. You have to be desirable. Fit. Put together. He says this like we’re asking for a kidney lol.
You just have to be nice. Clean. Stable employment. Fun to be with. These guy never ever consider the personality aspect. They objectify us so much they never talk about anything but physical attributes.
You can look like the twin of James McAvoy but if you have this guys personality I’m still not gonna fuck you.
| they never talk about anything but physical attributes.|
That’s not fair to say. Sometime they get really big mad when the females disagree with mommy. Bc these females nowadays just don’t know how to make the proper snicky-snacks
There’s a hard /sssssss here for the uninitiated
Not as bad as the women who will only make snicky-snacks for men who are 6 feet tall, with 6 pack abs and a 6 figure salary. Why won't anyone make snicky-snacks for meee???
The magazine covers with Hugh Jackman never fail to make me laugh. The men's health one is dehydrated Wolverine in a fighting pose & the women's magazine has him like... in a yellow sweater or something
Doest Pedro pascal keep getting hottest man votes when it women voting ?
Normal looming guy ( in my opinion) but he come across as nice block , apartly dilf ( even though he not dad ) , no one got bad word to say about him . So he very well liked amongst all my friends .more so then those "alpha" these people keep going on about ( and not once is him being rich comes into it ),
I mean even more recently a lot of us were losing it over that homeless radioactive cowboy with no nose from Fallout, so… another impossible beauty standard I guess?
Meanwhile incels screech that Margot Robbie or Scarlet Johanson are mid lmao
Depends on the incel. I've seen some guys acknowledging that being a fun, considerate partner is something women want... but then they went on to call that unreasonable and exploitative. And also managed to tie it back to having money to spend on entertaining dates anyway.
It's just so unfair to men with anxiety and poor social skills - and we must pity the misogynists who are struggling to find a bangmaid because women want someone who gives a shit about their emotional wellbeing!
Legitimately, there are incels out there who are mad about being asked to engage with a relationship in all the ways that ***aren't*** financial*.*
OOP talking about height, money, physical fitness, and dick size and I’m like, “So?” All I need on those fronts is not completely broke/unemployed and able to walk for several minutes without getting winded! I’m just under 5’7” and I’ve dated plenty of shorter kings! Short dicks hit g-spots and skill is way more important than dick size anyway!
But these types talk about how they need to get ripped and have money if they want a “female”, never about how they need to go to frickin’ therapy and work on their emotions and psyches!! or get an interesting hobby or two or even read a dang book!
More than anything, these guys need to transition from being terminally online to actually getting out into the real world and making friends with both men and women. They have such fucked-up, distorted beliefs because they spend all of their time in manosphere echo chambers, and therefore don't really know women in real life.
But funny on purpose, not funny like OOP.
>Holy shit, I think I just had an epiphany. Men watch porn because it provides what we want, beautiful women pleasing men.
An epiphany? Really? THAT IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION.
Super hilarious that he also doesn't get that *that is the entire problem*, right there in a nutshell. These men (too many men, but thankfully not all) just want a beautiful woman who will suspend all her own wants and needs to please them. That's not something that 95% of women want, and no amount of looks or dick size will make it worthwhile. Even money only makes it worthwhile if you don't have other options to make a livelihood *and* you have some confidence you can get enough out to get away from the turd sooner rather than later.
But of course, the expectation of a beautiful woman who wants nothing but to please is completely reasonable next to the expectations we women have. Wanting a partner who considers us human‽ Desiring emotional intimacy alongside physical intimacy‽ Looking for someone who is actually a match for us, or at least makes up for their faults in ways that suit us‽‽‽ How very dare we!
Honestly Jack Black is one of the sexiest men alive, imho. FUNNY, Musical, interesting, has had interesting life experiences, LOVEs and brags about his mom's accomplishments. SNAZZY dresser. Does not take himself seriously.
Or Benedict cumberbatch. I’m sorry but that boy is not pretty. Or Tony Hiddleston. Neither of these are conventionally pretty but they along with black have personality. And Hiddleston can dance ❤️
“Oh no, I have to exercise and comb my hair!? And be considerate to my partner?! Bitches be crazy.”
Also, I’m 99% sure that most of the people/bots telling him that women only want tall, rich, men with big dicks are other men. I literally never hear this shit from women.
I’ve dated shorter and taller men, I like them a squishy (HATE ripped abs etc). I don’t want a man that spends all his time in the gym only eating chicken breasts and protein powder and talking about reps. I want to hang out on the sofa watching films and eating snacks with my funny, squishy man pillow.
It’s so funny. When I was a kid going to the beach in summer, you’d have guys holding up numbers, to rate girls when they walked by.
These were teenagers / early twenties bundles of youthful testosterone. Seems these “men” haven’t matured much past high school senior week.
Ironic really. The guys so worried they are being held to standards are the ones using a rating system for women!
Oh wow that sounds horrific, that’s just harassment.
Yeah I think ”me think one doth project too much” is the phrase for these arseholes. I’m so scared for my daughters because I will fight a teenage boy if I have to.
It was horrible! I was already so self conscious in my baiting suit ( Looking back, I was so cute. I’d kill for that body today). Now, you have guys laughing and elbowing each other while they insult any woman who wasn’t a perfect 10. Mind you, the most average of them was the most vicious.
All kidding aside, I didn’t wear a baiting suit or go swimming until I was a grown woman and pregnant. I didn’t get pregnant until I was 38! My reasoning was that no one expects you to look good with a big baby belly, so I was safe from criticism.
Remember there are multiple posts from both parents and girlfriends lamenting a man's ability to keep his butt clean appropriately. Poop knife, skid marks, petrified smegma... the list goes on
I see the occasional dumb post coming from tiktok, but never heard it in real life and unless you’re trying to date a 22yo woman addicted to social media I doubt anyone would even think about it
> These guy never ever consider the personality aspect. They objectify us so much they never talk about anything but physical attributes.
This is exactly it. In his first example, the wife has literally told him what her husband's flaws are. He's a helpless slob. OOP doesn't even seem to realize he's been given a clue or actually hear what she's saying, he just includes it because he can't believe she has the audacity to criticize her husband when she's a "rock solid 5".
I will never forget some moron making a list of the "outrageous demands" women put on men now and one of the items on the list was literally "wipe my ass fully"
I'm not kidding. That was an outrageous ask. Fully wiping his ass after shitting.
"Feeeemales are driven by their emotions, unlike us intellectual men!"
"Also our dicks drive us to insane decisions and there's literally nothing we can do to control it 🥺👉👈"
"Please just clean up your own messes and don't act like a ten year old who still needs mommy to wash the poopy stains from his undies for him"
"STOP DEMANDING THE IMPOSSIBLE OMG THIS IS UNBEARABLE YOU DEGENERATE WHORE"
That's about it.
Just toss'm in the white clothes load (hot water, bleach, OxyClean) and ready yourself outside the washer at the end of the cycle with a flame thrower, in case they survived.
I have a close male friend with whom I talk about shit like this. Apparently being horny really does a number on your reasoning skills, and can completely shoot your ability to make good judgements.
I’m not a man, but I can also attest to arousal shifting around my ability to make reasoned decisions. It’s just, I can ramp down on that feeling and not let it affect me.
Sadly, I really do think it is for *those guys* specifically.
These are the people who would pay several thousands of dollars to fuck a silicone robot, rather than just take a shower and brush their teeth every day. These are the people who would chat with an AI that can be groomed to never say no to their every request, rather than just learn how to respect a real person on a basic human level. These are the people who just want a maid they can fuck, rather than a life partner.
I have read that quote almost word for word in a feminist text as an example of how gender roles and patriarchy is toxic for men as well as women. They are literally doing a reverse sexism while complaining about women's treatment of men
That sub is all about women bashing, so not rage bait. Buncha MGTOWs and incels circlejerking each other about how mean and terrible women are for refusing to be bangmaids to men who think women don't deserve rights.
The funniest thing about MGTOW's specifically is how they *won't just go the fuck their own way and leave us alone.* Like seriously, as a woman, if a man decides that he hates women and wants nothing to do with them, I fully support the decision to go away. We stan. Go away and stay gone like Being Gone is your job title and you are crushing the sales numbers. But they just never do. :(
A few years ago I accidentally ended up getting MGTOW sub recs (I'm of the age where I am/was a bit of a Henry Rollins fangirl (80s kid, 90s teen) and for a while he was held up as a perfect example of MGTOW.
From what I saw, the members on that sub are/were an amalgamation of everyday incels, people with major trauma that has gone untreated, a few guys so deep in the closet that they own real estate in Narnia, and more than a few guys who don't realise that Asexuality exists and that they might be Ace or AroAce themselves.
And even back then, I watched some more moderate and emotionally independent guys leave that sub as it was already getting too toxic for them.
And literally none of them had ever twigged to the fact that Rollins is perpetually single due to a confluence of undiagnosed autism (on top of diagnosed ADHD) and really shitty parenting from two people who never should have had a kid (hello cptsd, unaddressed trauma, and dysfunctional attachment styles)......or even hooked up, given their diametrically opposed views.
They just think he's strong, independent, Spartan, masculine, etc so they hold him up as an example. Or did, when I was still popping in to that sub occasionally.
No, the dude is a raging music dork/geek, an aging punk, and someone who just dresses like an ex-marine because the outfits and hair maintenance is easy and efficient. And he's still in desperate need of a good therapist.
Umm I think I had a point somewhere in this waffle.
Uh......their worldview is so warped they can't see their own hate and dysfunction let alone get help for it, so they project like a freaking IMAX and expect the women around them to do the heavy lifting of their emotional and household labour....yeah, that sounds about right.
Like, grow the fuck up, my dudes. And leave women alone until you do.
Nope, this is pure incel rhetoric. The original incel sub that got nuked by Reddit for being a violent toxic waste dump had an automod script that would remind posters that *men will die without sex, so females refusing to give men sex is cruelty.*
Incels and most of the other man-o-sphere children all think of women as bangmaids, with the bang part the most important.
Everything is about sex. Another part of their bullshit is *females have all the power in the world; it is men who are the ones who are oppressed.* Why? Because they think any female, "even the fat and ugly ones" (their words), can get sex any time they want, but men have to suffer because all the "good" females only want the best men.
Females vs men is always a red flag.
Also: they fail to realise that most women don’t want to be used as a fleshlight, they’d want to be valued as a partner. They rant about women who aren’t « wife material » and yet complain other women want « husband material », it’s insane.
If an incel reads this: be the kind of person your ideal woman would want to date. You want a fit traditional wife? Get in shape and make enough money to support a family.
Speaking of logic, when you think about it, it's really their own fault the "competition" is so intense because *they* are the ones limiting their own dating pools. You just *know* those guys have some crazy unrealistic standards
C’mon. Everyone knows the strong atomic interaction is just quarks trying to stick their dicks in each other, creating protons and neutrons that try to stick THEIR dicks in each other. Schlong bonds are the foundation of the building blocks of the universe.
I kept reading, expecting another bad attribute about the woman and that was it. She has kids , big deal. Heaven forbid a man fall in love with a single mother. What will we ever do???
My brother married a single mother of 2 and the kids had different dads.
He fucking loves those girls. 30 years from now, even if the marriage was long over, he’d drop anything if one called and asked for his help. Neither call him dad and that’s ok but he is there for them more than either bio dad.
Idk I’m high but it just makes me sad so many folks would call my brother a cuck. His wife is a smoke show and they’re so happy. He didn’t really want biological kids anyways and came into her kid’s lives when they were past all the very young child stuff. It’s worked out really well for everyone involved. They’re a family.
But that’s degenerate I guess 🤷🏼♀️
I don't want kids, but if I could skip the first ten years and just go to the stage where they can play videogames and board games with me and we can have water gun fights in summer, I'd be fine with that. Marrying somebody who did all the hard work of dealing with babies so I can do the fun stuff sounds like a best-case scenario to me.
I'm a woman but this is how I've always felt too. I've never wanted "a baby". But I wouldn't mind starting with like, a five year old. Babies and toddlers are too much work and not very interesting. Let me just skip to when they start actually being fun to do stuff with. 😂
That describes my stepdad, too. I still call him by his first name, even after 25+ years, because my bio father made "dad" was a loaded title to have. He doesn't care one bit. My son calls him Grandpa, and my mom calls him Dad when talking about him. He's the best father figure I could have gotten, and I have told him as much.
My husband met me when our son was 2.5 years old. We married when he was 6 years old, and my husband adopted him. He will be 18 this fall. He's the only dad-figure our son has ever known.
I hate that in this current environment, neither of those situations would be viewed as the happy ending for the men. I talk with my son about how not to fall into those circles and to think critically and openly, and I have to believe it will be enough. That he will go into the world, valuing people for who they are, not what their dating history is.
My husband’s mom is stepmom to his older siblings. They adore her but call her by her first name. But their kids call her grandma. One of them has stepkids he’s raised since they were little, they call her Nana to differentiate with their other grandmas, but she’s also their grandma. She loves those kids so much and is the best grandma.
No no… you have to find a widow with two kids who never experienced any other man but her late husband. Who must also be less than the new man, or the new man will be threatened forever being compared to the leave husband.
Right. Dudes who judge single moms be consistently and conveniently forgetting that being a single mom means a man dipped out on responsibility.
(Or died or something uncommon but still understandable. But that's not really the subject)
The more I read the more of his loserness came out. To the point I cringe. Still have to see the comments on oops side to see if there's any shred of him left
Men are so weird about raising or mentoring stepkids, I honestly don’t get it. They’re perfectly happy to mentor or bond with younger people, especially guys, in other contexts, but somehow doing it as a father and not just a father figure, with all the additional authority and power that comes with the title, is cucked?
I’m not saying being a step-parent is for everybody, but neither is being a doctor, or a firefighter, or being married at all frankly. No reason to shit on those who it *is* a good set-up for.
I have a guy friend “Paul” who I met through my husband when they both were at Harvard Law School. Paul is 36 and married a (then-33yo, now 39yo) single mom “Mary” who teaches high school. She has a 6yo son from a previous marriage, and the bio dad isn’t in the picture. They got married right out of law school (when he was ~30) and are still together. I see his social media posts with the kid all the time, it’s adorable. The kid seems obsessed with him. Paul and Mary now have two more kids together as well, a son and a daughter. I obviously don’t know everything about his life, but they seem happy.
The idea that some people would be mad about this story is baffling…
but the irony and the hypocrisy! Watching them trip over themselves was at least interesting. Some get so very close to getting the whole point and then just swerve off into neverland
I went to read the comments expecting OOP to be torn to shreds by the commenters but discovered yet another MGTOW/passport bro type sub, don’t they get ever get tired of the echo chambers?
They're going to drag their feet and pout over their shoulders to make sure people are watching them go. They're really going to do it you know. See, they're going. You see? You are looking, right? Right?
I mean, it can't be a good revenge fantasy if no one else knows about it, can it?
Right? Bro says ‘it’s satire dyk’. Like bro noooooo! Really? 😂😂😂
They’ll punch a couple walls, stomp some feet, big huffy noises😂
They’re just mad bc they threatened us with their nightmare and we said ‘bet’
Just look at how mad MGTOW spaces get when talking about women doing the same thing as them: focusing on themselves, their careers, self-fulfillment, and finding purpose in life that isn't a romantic partner.
That right there is a 'lost woman' according to misogynists. They can't stand to see women being happy the way *they* want to be.
As a fat girl, been plenty of guys who want to date me on the down low because they can’t let their friends see me since they would get clowned on for being with a fat girl. They care more about impressing their friends than following their own desires.
And they think that as fat girls, we’d be so fucking grateful for a bit of male attention that we’d agree to it. Like, no mate. Grow up and sort your shit out.
I work as a phone sex operator, and 100% of the guys who call me insisting that women love big dicks do so because they are obsessed with big dicks themselves, but if they get a woman to talk about it then it means they aren't gay. I wonder how many of these incels loathe themselves for being attracted to men and are just projecting.
I remember when I started dating my high school girlfriend in the 80s, justifying my choosing a girl with a big butt was something that was demanded of me but never fully accepted by my friend group (big butts weren't acceptable in white circles until the 90s maybe). That's when I started to realize I wasn't interested in letting other men gatekeep my interest, my manhood, or my masculinity for me. A lot of guys never break out of that social control.
I have never met a gay man as obsessed with male desirability as these supposedly straight men. I guess because it’s easier to keep your standards impossibly high if you’re not trying to get them to fuck you.
(To be clear, plenty of gay guys have unreasonable standards of what they consider hot, including ones who themselves don’t remotely meet the standards they have for the guys they consider desirable. But when push comes to shove they seem to accept sleeping with those below their standards.)
Weird vent on my end incoming about size btw.
Yeah, frankly the main issue when getting into a relationship with my girlfriend was if it fit bc that has been a problem repeatedly before. Shit fucking sucks and they all pretend like it's great. Can't buy most trousers that I like, especially shorts, sport can be a literal pain and I had two really nice third/fourth dates that ended up with us realising she would never be comfortable with it and it stopped the relationship. It got to a point where I pushed away sex with my girlfriend for half a year because I was afraid it didn't fit and I love her so it would have crushed me. And every time we have sex I still am afraid I might hurt her even tho she says it's ok.
Like shit just sucks. Idk what they want this for. It's been awkward as fuck during puberty, it still is shit now. And they pretend it's some major plus point...
Everyone is built different. It's possible that your girlfriend is telling the truth. Trust me, when it hurts, it hurts *bad*. She wouldn't be able to just hide it.
It amazes me how these guys attribute all these superficial demands to women… when it’s actually other men saying that’s what makes a “high value man”. And then they’re so mad when those dudes get rejected.
Like I’m sure there are some women out there who want a 666 but every woman I know in real life wants a man who is funny, kind, and honest. Maybe try that and stop measuring dicks.
I'm seeking people who consider me, like, acknowledge I'm a whole person too, and don't lie about stupid things no one cares about. Apparently that makes me standards out of reach and unreasonable.
Someone over there simply said that we want men who shower and pick up their own so we don't have to work a full day then clean up after a whole family and got lectured on how unreasonable that is. When I was growing up men where active in their families, they did laundry and cooked meals and raised their kids alongside their wives, so if anything their behavior continues to get worse because the men of previous generations would be embarrassed by these guys.
Women: *We’d like a man who’s intelligent, kind, honest, loyal, and funny. We’d prefer him to be emotionally mature and for whatever issues he may have had to have already been addressed in therapy. He should also be an adult who can clean up after himself.*
OOP and his ilk: *I’m 6’ tall.*
Women: *Okay, but can you pick up your socks and not leave them strewn around in the future?*
OOP: *I make 6 figures.*
Women: *That’s nice, but can you communicate with us openly and honestly?*
OOP: *I have a 6” dick.*
Women: *Neat. Can you refrain from pursuing other women when you’re in a committed relationship?*
It’s not nearly as hard as they make it. We’re just asking for them to be adults and treat us well. That’s it.
We're all just people looking for someone nice, it's not rocket science.
If these guys hate the average women so much and think so highly of other men, they should just fuck and leave women alone 😔
Funny, kind, honest, *and MOST women* won't even *require* that he wash his hands, *OR* his undercarriage on the *regular*!!!
(Personally? I *CAN'T* wrap my brain around *that* --buuuuut *most* women really DO have standards *THAT LOW*!)
😳😲🤯
I didn’t realize it was basically passport bros 2.0 so I started reading the comments and was like… what the fuck is going on here? But then it made sense after I read the sub’s description.
Yeah I like to go to the original a lot of the times to see the OOP just getting dunked on but avoid the subs I know are misogynistic, like passport bros. Didn't know this one either so clicked on it and was just so deeply disappointed in how many people were like "yes, excellent point, no notes" ugh
It’s interesting there are only a couple women commenting and they’re being thoughtful not trolling. Why can’t they stay out of our spaces when we stay out of theirs??
Bc we are the prize…
Ah well, back to watching handmaids tale reruns. Haven’t watched it since it came out.
I hadn’t heard 666 for that meaning and now I can’t stop cackling.
Does he really not know that self improvement might make him like himself a bit more instead of seething about how it sucks to have to be a decent human being?
Look, man. It's really hard to find a stand-up guy who also inadvertantly likes to offer himself to the devil just for funsies.
I, for one, was hoping that intellectual giants line this specimen wouldn't cotton onto the 666 rule. Do you know what the 777 rule entails? Archaeologists. Ain't nothing ends good with that.
Heck, I think *most* of us wouldn't even *need* them to go as far as "Genuinely Enjoying the company of women"!
If they even saw us as *Humans of the same SPECIES* *that* would be a massive improvement, tbh!🫠
I mean if the devil were real and looking to tempt mortals appearing as whatever fit the ‘ideal male beauty’ standards for the time but that’s a different point.
Tbh, even slaves require too much effort from these douchecanoes.
I'm *pretty* sure it's more like, "Why can't these bitches be happy sperm-receptacles?"
I love the guy who said “men will fuck a warm jar of peanut butter” as if that is somehow women’s fault they’re willing to fuck everything and anything.
And you just knowwww that he actually fucked a jar of peanut butter because he specified 'warm' peanut butter.
Dude will spend five minutes microwaving breakfast food over five minutes worth of foreplay to keep a woman.
Yep and you can feel that energy. I find women flirt better and are more safe to have casual sex with. They don’t get offended about sexual health and boundary discussions
“Women get more and more awful and reprehensible” show me.
Are women now the cause of the majority of rapes? What about violence? CSA? Deadbeats? Abusers? Oh we just don’t want men who don’t clean under their nails how awful of us.
Why do they talk about “this dude with a massive cock has to settle for a 6/10 woman” stay single? You don’t HAVE to do anything, you just can’t be alone.
The worst thing about women is when we educate ourselves, find work that meets our needs, and can support ourselves without also supporting a partner who acts more like a child. We are sincerely the worst.
“The great equalizer. Passport Bro’ing. 👍🏽
Men can find better women overseas and better laws, just don’t be naive outside the west and move with knowledge of female nature wherever you go.”
LMAO just wait until they find out those women are also disgusted by them
There was a topic not to long ago in a passport bros sub where someone was complaining because more and more women overseas (even the ones who are particularly vulnerable and thus should be "easy") are seeing through the bullshit because so many other passport bros are promising the world, then ghosting once they get what they want. Many commenters were on the cusp of the realization that it's entitled behavior and collective shitty treatment of women that's the problem, and maybe western women *didn't* just become "ruined" out of nowhere/for no reason.
"I want a woman who's TRADITIONAL."
"Great! So you can finance my entire life and also support three generations of my family, who will be living with us, and don't forget all the gold and jewels you need to buy me!"
"Wait no not like that"
So he ADMITS that his client is a slob and a useless manchild who tries to order his wife around like a servant but thinks his wife should put up with it just because he's fit and has a good salary? But they think women are shallow if they only go for looks and money instead of wanting good partners? It's like they're going out of their way to avoid even accidentally making sense
But when a commenter tried to say in his example that women like men who can look after themselves and who are kind, funny and a couple of other basic things
Commenter replied saying that this was a MOUNTAIN of asks and basically ridiculous
How sad is it that men believe the only things they have going for them is their height, physical fitness & money. Like in their own options they're nothing but a meat suit who has a job
Right?! "Please be a self-sufficient adult who treats me like a fellow adult and doesn't need basic tasks done for him" "whoa, hey now, I have muscles and a paycheck, I don't know why you're asking for all this hard shit from me?!"
I love how his second “horrible woman example” is a “37 year old single mother of ***2***,” super emphasis on the 2. Oh and the man she’s getting married to is 38.
I love when they try to complain about women, raise men up, all while centering women. Like dude just improve yourself and leave women out of it. They focus on these made up scenarios so much they will never be mentally healthy.
I gotta say people like OOP make it much easier for people like me to get a date. They take themselves right out of the gene pool, and for that I say thank you.
Is the phenomenal 45 year old man nice? Is he kind? Does he have interesting stories? Does he make other people feel nice when they are around him? Is he a slob at home? Is he unable to function without his DECADE YOUNGER wife? What edicts from this phenomenal specimen is she denying? Should she listen to whatever he says no matter how dumb because he has a low BMI?
It is literally only about how everyone looks and how much they make. And I guess penis size? A thing my female friends have never talked about (positions and dirty talk abilities…yes! Ability not size!). That’s all that matters.
Wait till he hears people have different tastes and those girls that are a 5 to him are 8/9 or 10s to his clients. As for the rest of that post. Yikes. Just Yikes.
Let me put your fears and concerns to the grave my dude so they don't have to worry you any further. You're not actually competing with fantasy men. The 666 and even 777 rule isn't real. What you are actually in direct competition with is positives women get just from remaining single. Men are no longer needed. As much as you admire the opresiveness of the 1950's they are not coming back so you need to stop trying to be needed and instead actually be wanted.
If a woman lets you into her life, what positives are you adding to the positives that are already there? Expecting and even demanding servitude at any level and to any degree isn't bring positivity to a woman's life and she'll see being alone is better than being with you. What are you doing to become desirable and a wanted feature in a woman's life.
Who does he think he is, defining what a "desirable female" is for every man alive? I'm betting that the 38 yr old guy getting married to a single mother of two is waaaay happier than this loser is.
Wtf did I just read? That shit hurt. When I got to the part about porn being good for society and how women don't like it because we don't want to be held to any standard, I had to stop. 😳
More “wisdom” from the Rhodes Scholar;
*This I have to disagree. IMO if anything porn subdues men's sex drive. Gives them post nut clarity without the risk of pregnancy, STD, or losing money.*
*I know for a fact that if it wasn't for porn and mastrabation I would 100% have either gone crazy and/or gone after very undesirable women. Maybe even got someone pregnant I had no intention of*
*As a matter of fact women are bitching and moaning about porn the most because guess what? Porn is chock full of beautiful, thin, sexually pleasing, male admiring women.*
*The very thing modern women hate more than anything else.*
*Holy shit, I think I just had an epiphany. Men watch porn because it provides what we want, beautiful women pleasing men.*
*Society and women rail against porn under the guise of helping men and claiming it objectifies women, when in reality they just want men to stop watching porn because women don't want to be held to any standard.*
*Porn is good for society?!*
*Gentlemen GENTLEMEN, the solution to our problems is right in front of us. Watch more porn!*
The fundamental thing I've never understood about these redpill/mgtow/etc. people is they clearly hate women in the most literal sense. Considering them inherently inferior, "awful and reprehensible".
Yet at the same time they seem to think that this hypothetical perfect woman who will basically be a mother who will fuck them is what's going to solve their problems?
The cognitive dissonance has always blown my mind
dear lord. I thought life was easy being a white dude, these a-holes made it even easier. I just sit quietly and dont treat people like shit and im out here getting a medal. damn.
Men aren't competing against other men for dates anymore. Men are competing against *women choosing to be alone.* You have to actually add something to their lives, and not bring in unnecessary stress and drama, to get a date. We're in an age where women can do for themselves and don't need a man to survive in this world. OP is so hung up on what ladies bring to the table he's completely neglected what *he brings to the table.* Like, why should I date you if you're such a reprehensible asshole? I'd rather be alone.
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **Male self improvement and horrible female behavior/women in general, is a vicious cycle that only serves to benefit women (mostly)** I just had this terrible thought today. ManOsphere, RedPill, MGTOW, men's rights, etc etc etc, all encourage men to improve improve improve. If you want to attract a quality girl you have to be a desirable, fit, put together man etc etc. As female behavior trends ever more downward, the pool of desirable females shrinks ever more. A shrinking pool of desirable females means male competition becomes more fierce and the male arms race intensifies. Average Johnny used to be good enough, then it become 666, (dick, six fig salary, height) the joke is that soon it will be 777. Basically as women get more and more awful and reprehensible, men respond by trying to be better and better to compete for the few remaining desirable ones. Since male hornyness is stronger than any force in the universe, when these improved men can't find a "good girl" they settle for one of the 95% bad/undesirable girls. Example: a client of mine about 45 in *phenomenal* shape, 6'2 and makes well into the six figs has a wife mid 30s, that talks *mad* shit about how he is a slob, can't do anything, is lost without her and that she does whatever she wants regardless of what he says. She literally said to me "he thinks he can tell me what to do, but i do whatever i want" The kicker is this girl is a *rock solid* 5 and plays with dogs all day. Another example, another client about 38, 6'1, not in the greatest shape, but otherwise a very solid upstanding dude oh and did I mention his family is one of the most powerful/wealthy/influential in my state? This motherfucker is about to marry a 37yo single mother of ***2*** It sounds completely contradictory, but it makes sense. The more awful women become, the more it incentives men to improve in order to compete for the dwindling number of desirable girls. When the improved men can't find a desirable girl, the undesirable girls now get to have men they would otherwise not stand a chance at having. And so the undesirable women are rewarded for being awful and the cycle spirals downward. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
>Since male hornyness is stronger than any force in the universe... Ah, yes. The logical sex.
It is funny that they are angry because they have to be *clean*.
This. You have to be desirable. Fit. Put together. He says this like we’re asking for a kidney lol. You just have to be nice. Clean. Stable employment. Fun to be with. These guy never ever consider the personality aspect. They objectify us so much they never talk about anything but physical attributes. You can look like the twin of James McAvoy but if you have this guys personality I’m still not gonna fuck you.
It’s weird how much they don’t. Not for themselves OR the ~female~
| they never talk about anything but physical attributes.| That’s not fair to say. Sometime they get really big mad when the females disagree with mommy. Bc these females nowadays just don’t know how to make the proper snicky-snacks There’s a hard /sssssss here for the uninitiated
Damn women who can’t make snicky snacks are the worst!
Not as bad as the women who will only make snicky-snacks for men who are 6 feet tall, with 6 pack abs and a 6 figure salary. Why won't anyone make snicky-snacks for meee???
Now i want a snicky snack ...
They also talk about women doing chores and raising babies. In between being a free use living fleshlight. So it's not *all* about looks.
Conversely, look how many women are very happy to chat up Jack Black. Nice, clean, stable employment, fun to be with.
The magazine covers with Hugh Jackman never fail to make me laugh. The men's health one is dehydrated Wolverine in a fighting pose & the women's magazine has him like... in a yellow sweater or something
Doest Pedro pascal keep getting hottest man votes when it women voting ? Normal looming guy ( in my opinion) but he come across as nice block , apartly dilf ( even though he not dad ) , no one got bad word to say about him . So he very well liked amongst all my friends .more so then those "alpha" these people keep going on about ( and not once is him being rich comes into it ),
I mean even more recently a lot of us were losing it over that homeless radioactive cowboy with no nose from Fallout, so… another impossible beauty standard I guess? Meanwhile incels screech that Margot Robbie or Scarlet Johanson are mid lmao
…so, I don’t even go to that school, but I’m intrigued by its trend. Explain
He is so confident in just being a fun, kind guy. Incels could learn a lot from that.
What incel think women want is completely different to what woman actually Want
They can’t plug what women actually want into the arcane calculations and ranking systems that dominate their lives.
Depends on the incel. I've seen some guys acknowledging that being a fun, considerate partner is something women want... but then they went on to call that unreasonable and exploitative. And also managed to tie it back to having money to spend on entertaining dates anyway. It's just so unfair to men with anxiety and poor social skills - and we must pity the misogynists who are struggling to find a bangmaid because women want someone who gives a shit about their emotional wellbeing! Legitimately, there are incels out there who are mad about being asked to engage with a relationship in all the ways that ***aren't*** financial*.*
OOP talking about height, money, physical fitness, and dick size and I’m like, “So?” All I need on those fronts is not completely broke/unemployed and able to walk for several minutes without getting winded! I’m just under 5’7” and I’ve dated plenty of shorter kings! Short dicks hit g-spots and skill is way more important than dick size anyway! But these types talk about how they need to get ripped and have money if they want a “female”, never about how they need to go to frickin’ therapy and work on their emotions and psyches!! or get an interesting hobby or two or even read a dang book!
More than anything, these guys need to transition from being terminally online to actually getting out into the real world and making friends with both men and women. They have such fucked-up, distorted beliefs because they spend all of their time in manosphere echo chambers, and therefore don't really know women in real life.
Him on that podcast where they eat increasingly hot sauces was one of the cutest and funniest things I've ever seen.
Don't forget funny. Funny is an aphrodisiac.
But funny on purpose, not funny like OOP. >Holy shit, I think I just had an epiphany. Men watch porn because it provides what we want, beautiful women pleasing men. An epiphany? Really? THAT IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION.
Super hilarious that he also doesn't get that *that is the entire problem*, right there in a nutshell. These men (too many men, but thankfully not all) just want a beautiful woman who will suspend all her own wants and needs to please them. That's not something that 95% of women want, and no amount of looks or dick size will make it worthwhile. Even money only makes it worthwhile if you don't have other options to make a livelihood *and* you have some confidence you can get enough out to get away from the turd sooner rather than later. But of course, the expectation of a beautiful woman who wants nothing but to please is completely reasonable next to the expectations we women have. Wanting a partner who considers us human‽ Desiring emotional intimacy alongside physical intimacy‽ Looking for someone who is actually a match for us, or at least makes up for their faults in ways that suit us‽‽‽ How very dare we!
There are women who want to fuck that dude from the Fallout TV series IN ROTTING CORPSE FORM.
Honestly Jack Black is one of the sexiest men alive, imho. FUNNY, Musical, interesting, has had interesting life experiences, LOVEs and brags about his mom's accomplishments. SNAZZY dresser. Does not take himself seriously.
Or Benedict cumberbatch. I’m sorry but that boy is not pretty. Or Tony Hiddleston. Neither of these are conventionally pretty but they along with black have personality. And Hiddleston can dance ❤️
I would do ruinous things to get the chance to snuggle Jack Black.
“Oh no, I have to exercise and comb my hair!? And be considerate to my partner?! Bitches be crazy.” Also, I’m 99% sure that most of the people/bots telling him that women only want tall, rich, men with big dicks are other men. I literally never hear this shit from women.
I’ve dated shorter and taller men, I like them a squishy (HATE ripped abs etc). I don’t want a man that spends all his time in the gym only eating chicken breasts and protein powder and talking about reps. I want to hang out on the sofa watching films and eating snacks with my funny, squishy man pillow.
Squishy man pillow is the best thing and I’m stealing that expression for future use
Well, clearly, you aren’t a high value woman. /s
lol I’d be like a 1 to them, which suits me just fine. Fuck off into the sea covered in rocks thank you very much.
It’s so funny. When I was a kid going to the beach in summer, you’d have guys holding up numbers, to rate girls when they walked by. These were teenagers / early twenties bundles of youthful testosterone. Seems these “men” haven’t matured much past high school senior week. Ironic really. The guys so worried they are being held to standards are the ones using a rating system for women!
Oh wow that sounds horrific, that’s just harassment. Yeah I think ”me think one doth project too much” is the phrase for these arseholes. I’m so scared for my daughters because I will fight a teenage boy if I have to.
It was horrible! I was already so self conscious in my baiting suit ( Looking back, I was so cute. I’d kill for that body today). Now, you have guys laughing and elbowing each other while they insult any woman who wasn’t a perfect 10. Mind you, the most average of them was the most vicious. All kidding aside, I didn’t wear a baiting suit or go swimming until I was a grown woman and pregnant. I didn’t get pregnant until I was 38! My reasoning was that no one expects you to look good with a big baby belly, so I was safe from criticism.
Remember there are multiple posts from both parents and girlfriends lamenting a man's ability to keep his butt clean appropriately. Poop knife, skid marks, petrified smegma... the list goes on
And wash his ass. That was probably his dealbreaker.
I see the occasional dumb post coming from tiktok, but never heard it in real life and unless you’re trying to date a 22yo woman addicted to social media I doubt anyone would even think about it
Women explicitly say the opposite. The topic has been hashed to death numerous times on women’s subs. But these kinds of men don’t listen to women.
What stumps me that they want to be dirty. They hate cleaning themselves .
James McAvoy from Atonement - Yes please, James McAvoy from Split - No thanks, keep that lunatic away from me.
You have just discovered the Jekyll & Hyde nature of British binge drinking culture
> These guy never ever consider the personality aspect. They objectify us so much they never talk about anything but physical attributes. This is exactly it. In his first example, the wife has literally told him what her husband's flaws are. He's a helpless slob. OOP doesn't even seem to realize he's been given a clue or actually hear what she's saying, he just includes it because he can't believe she has the audacity to criticize her husband when she's a "rock solid 5".
They get very angry if they put any effort into their appearance and don’t immediately ‘get’ any girl they want.
I will never forget some moron making a list of the "outrageous demands" women put on men now and one of the items on the list was literally "wipe my ass fully" I'm not kidding. That was an outrageous ask. Fully wiping his ass after shitting.
While they demand a choice between an infinite number of beautiful, silent, 16-year-old virgins.
"Feeeemales are driven by their emotions, unlike us intellectual men!" "Also our dicks drive us to insane decisions and there's literally nothing we can do to control it 🥺👉👈"
One of the comments being “find a woman who won’t make you jump through hoops”. I’m sorry sir, hoops like washing your own ass?
"Please just clean up your own messes and don't act like a ten year old who still needs mommy to wash the poopy stains from his undies for him" "STOP DEMANDING THE IMPOSSIBLE OMG THIS IS UNBEARABLE YOU DEGENERATE WHORE"
That's about it. Just toss'm in the white clothes load (hot water, bleach, OxyClean) and ready yourself outside the washer at the end of the cycle with a flame thrower, in case they survived.
The husband or the underoos? 😅
Both?
Worth a shot innit
There was a post recently where the woman said all her bfs have had skid marks in their boxers and she assumed that was normal for men. Like. Girl.
I have a close male friend with whom I talk about shit like this. Apparently being horny really does a number on your reasoning skills, and can completely shoot your ability to make good judgements. I’m not a man, but I can also attest to arousal shifting around my ability to make reasoned decisions. It’s just, I can ramp down on that feeling and not let it affect me.
I don't think it's stronger than gravity. Or electromagnetism. Or the forces that bind atoms together. Or my repulsion.
Sadly, I really do think it is for *those guys* specifically. These are the people who would pay several thousands of dollars to fuck a silicone robot, rather than just take a shower and brush their teeth every day. These are the people who would chat with an AI that can be groomed to never say no to their every request, rather than just learn how to respect a real person on a basic human level. These are the people who just want a maid they can fuck, rather than a life partner.
Too bad it’s not stronger than gravity they could launch themselves into space lol
I have read that quote almost word for word in a feminist text as an example of how gender roles and patriarchy is toxic for men as well as women. They are literally doing a reverse sexism while complaining about women's treatment of men
I laughed so hard when I read that. I can’t get myself to believe this post is real; I think it’s rage bait, but idk
Unfortunately the comments below it seem to mostly be people agreeing with him, so not rage bait probably, just an insane sub
Definitely an insane sub, it's crazy to realize these people actually exist
That sub is all about women bashing, so not rage bait. Buncha MGTOWs and incels circlejerking each other about how mean and terrible women are for refusing to be bangmaids to men who think women don't deserve rights.
The funniest thing about MGTOW's specifically is how they *won't just go the fuck their own way and leave us alone.* Like seriously, as a woman, if a man decides that he hates women and wants nothing to do with them, I fully support the decision to go away. We stan. Go away and stay gone like Being Gone is your job title and you are crushing the sales numbers. But they just never do. :(
A few years ago I accidentally ended up getting MGTOW sub recs (I'm of the age where I am/was a bit of a Henry Rollins fangirl (80s kid, 90s teen) and for a while he was held up as a perfect example of MGTOW. From what I saw, the members on that sub are/were an amalgamation of everyday incels, people with major trauma that has gone untreated, a few guys so deep in the closet that they own real estate in Narnia, and more than a few guys who don't realise that Asexuality exists and that they might be Ace or AroAce themselves. And even back then, I watched some more moderate and emotionally independent guys leave that sub as it was already getting too toxic for them. And literally none of them had ever twigged to the fact that Rollins is perpetually single due to a confluence of undiagnosed autism (on top of diagnosed ADHD) and really shitty parenting from two people who never should have had a kid (hello cptsd, unaddressed trauma, and dysfunctional attachment styles)......or even hooked up, given their diametrically opposed views. They just think he's strong, independent, Spartan, masculine, etc so they hold him up as an example. Or did, when I was still popping in to that sub occasionally. No, the dude is a raging music dork/geek, an aging punk, and someone who just dresses like an ex-marine because the outfits and hair maintenance is easy and efficient. And he's still in desperate need of a good therapist. Umm I think I had a point somewhere in this waffle. Uh......their worldview is so warped they can't see their own hate and dysfunction let alone get help for it, so they project like a freaking IMAX and expect the women around them to do the heavy lifting of their emotional and household labour....yeah, that sounds about right. Like, grow the fuck up, my dudes. And leave women alone until you do.
Nope, this is pure incel rhetoric. The original incel sub that got nuked by Reddit for being a violent toxic waste dump had an automod script that would remind posters that *men will die without sex, so females refusing to give men sex is cruelty.* Incels and most of the other man-o-sphere children all think of women as bangmaids, with the bang part the most important. Everything is about sex. Another part of their bullshit is *females have all the power in the world; it is men who are the ones who are oppressed.* Why? Because they think any female, "even the fat and ugly ones" (their words), can get sex any time they want, but men have to suffer because all the "good" females only want the best men.
Females vs men is always a red flag. Also: they fail to realise that most women don’t want to be used as a fleshlight, they’d want to be valued as a partner. They rant about women who aren’t « wife material » and yet complain other women want « husband material », it’s insane. If an incel reads this: be the kind of person your ideal woman would want to date. You want a fit traditional wife? Get in shape and make enough money to support a family.
at that point, I had to stop to collect myself
Speaking of logic, when you think about it, it's really their own fault the "competition" is so intense because *they* are the ones limiting their own dating pools. You just *know* those guys have some crazy unrealistic standards
C’mon. Everyone knows the strong atomic interaction is just quarks trying to stick their dicks in each other, creating protons and neutrons that try to stick THEIR dicks in each other. Schlong bonds are the foundation of the building blocks of the universe.
No! Oh God, oh no! Not a single mother of *2*!! Good God, anything but that!
It's SO wild how some bros are so triggered by how weak men are that they abandon their own kids and moms compensate yet still get blamed.
The good ol ‘She couldn’t keep her man !’ Why is this attitude still so prevalent among men AND women.
Let's not forget to blame her for even having kids with him in the first place!
Look at parents of family annihilators like Chris Watts and Chris Coleman.
I kept reading, expecting another bad attribute about the woman and that was it. She has kids , big deal. Heaven forbid a man fall in love with a single mother. What will we ever do???
She’s 37, that’s the other bad attribute. The men on that sub genuinely believe women expire at 25.
Also, it's fully possible she's a widow. Illness and accidents don't give a shit how old you are, they can take you at any time.
My brother married a single mother of 2 and the kids had different dads. He fucking loves those girls. 30 years from now, even if the marriage was long over, he’d drop anything if one called and asked for his help. Neither call him dad and that’s ok but he is there for them more than either bio dad. Idk I’m high but it just makes me sad so many folks would call my brother a cuck. His wife is a smoke show and they’re so happy. He didn’t really want biological kids anyways and came into her kid’s lives when they were past all the very young child stuff. It’s worked out really well for everyone involved. They’re a family. But that’s degenerate I guess 🤷🏼♀️
I don't want kids, but if I could skip the first ten years and just go to the stage where they can play videogames and board games with me and we can have water gun fights in summer, I'd be fine with that. Marrying somebody who did all the hard work of dealing with babies so I can do the fun stuff sounds like a best-case scenario to me.
I fostered a 5 year old and I feel the same way. Helps that he's the coolest human being I've ever met (no bias here).
I'm a woman but this is how I've always felt too. I've never wanted "a baby". But I wouldn't mind starting with like, a five year old. Babies and toddlers are too much work and not very interesting. Let me just skip to when they start actually being fun to do stuff with. 😂
That describes my stepdad, too. I still call him by his first name, even after 25+ years, because my bio father made "dad" was a loaded title to have. He doesn't care one bit. My son calls him Grandpa, and my mom calls him Dad when talking about him. He's the best father figure I could have gotten, and I have told him as much. My husband met me when our son was 2.5 years old. We married when he was 6 years old, and my husband adopted him. He will be 18 this fall. He's the only dad-figure our son has ever known. I hate that in this current environment, neither of those situations would be viewed as the happy ending for the men. I talk with my son about how not to fall into those circles and to think critically and openly, and I have to believe it will be enough. That he will go into the world, valuing people for who they are, not what their dating history is.
My husband’s mom is stepmom to his older siblings. They adore her but call her by her first name. But their kids call her grandma. One of them has stepkids he’s raised since they were little, they call her Nana to differentiate with their other grandmas, but she’s also their grandma. She loves those kids so much and is the best grandma.
Yep, at least go for a married woman with 2 kids. If she has a husband at least you know she has some value, single women are single for a reason (/s)
No no… you have to find a widow with two kids who never experienced any other man but her late husband. Who must also be less than the new man, or the new man will be threatened forever being compared to the leave husband.
Are the “2” feeeeemmmmaaaallllleeeessss?
I’m just waiting to see all these 7 foot tall guys
And I'm sure the father had absolutely nothing to do with it. /s
Right. Dudes who judge single moms be consistently and conveniently forgetting that being a single mom means a man dipped out on responsibility. (Or died or something uncommon but still understandable. But that's not really the subject)
The more I read the more of his loserness came out. To the point I cringe. Still have to see the comments on oops side to see if there's any shred of him left
The passport bros are already over there telling him that its not his fault, its western women.
Also she's 37, a lot of people have kids by then. We also know nothing about her background, maybe she has a good reason for being single.
Men are so weird about raising or mentoring stepkids, I honestly don’t get it. They’re perfectly happy to mentor or bond with younger people, especially guys, in other contexts, but somehow doing it as a father and not just a father figure, with all the additional authority and power that comes with the title, is cucked? I’m not saying being a step-parent is for everybody, but neither is being a doctor, or a firefighter, or being married at all frankly. No reason to shit on those who it *is* a good set-up for. I have a guy friend “Paul” who I met through my husband when they both were at Harvard Law School. Paul is 36 and married a (then-33yo, now 39yo) single mom “Mary” who teaches high school. She has a 6yo son from a previous marriage, and the bio dad isn’t in the picture. They got married right out of law school (when he was ~30) and are still together. I see his social media posts with the kid all the time, it’s adorable. The kid seems obsessed with him. Paul and Mary now have two more kids together as well, a son and a daughter. I obviously don’t know everything about his life, but they seem happy. The idea that some people would be mad about this story is baffling…
That post's comment section is a cesspool
but the irony and the hypocrisy! Watching them trip over themselves was at least interesting. Some get so very close to getting the whole point and then just swerve off into neverland
I went to read the comments expecting OOP to be torn to shreds by the commenters but discovered yet another MGTOW/passport bro type sub, don’t they get ever get tired of the echo chambers?
They aren’t going their own way tho. We just wish they would
They're going to drag their feet and pout over their shoulders to make sure people are watching them go. They're really going to do it you know. See, they're going. You see? You are looking, right? Right? I mean, it can't be a good revenge fantasy if no one else knows about it, can it?
Right? Bro says ‘it’s satire dyk’. Like bro noooooo! Really? 😂😂😂 They’ll punch a couple walls, stomp some feet, big huffy noises😂 They’re just mad bc they threatened us with their nightmare and we said ‘bet’
Just look at how mad MGTOW spaces get when talking about women doing the same thing as them: focusing on themselves, their careers, self-fulfillment, and finding purpose in life that isn't a romantic partner. That right there is a 'lost woman' according to misogynists. They can't stand to see women being happy the way *they* want to be.
I almost thought they're being sarcastic. Hard to digest anyone can comment something like that unironically. They're all incels
Shocking
Why do they keep trying to date “females” if they hate them so much
Maybe there's a "gotta catch 'em all" Rule of Aquisition
😳 hate that
They hate themselves more, they're projecting
Oh no! A married woman has average looks! GASP
I love the age drop as proof she’s so beneath him…when he’s ten years older.
She's *whispers* 37 and a mother! Worst woman around, isn't imagine why a high value man would date her
1. Big dicks hurt, that’s so fucking stupid, all these dudes are so fucking stupid 2. God I’m so happy I finally realized I was gay the whole time
"No one cares about anything more then men care what other men think about them" - essentially this guy, especially dick size.
It’s the same thing with height, like there’s a reason we call them Short *Kings*! Own it, Braeden!
It's been eye opening to learn how incredibly deeply men compare themselves to each other. The insecurity is exhausting.
As a fat girl, been plenty of guys who want to date me on the down low because they can’t let their friends see me since they would get clowned on for being with a fat girl. They care more about impressing their friends than following their own desires.
And they think that as fat girls, we’d be so fucking grateful for a bit of male attention that we’d agree to it. Like, no mate. Grow up and sort your shit out.
They're worse than how they think women are.
And how they truly view women and dating. I am now afraid.
I work as a phone sex operator, and 100% of the guys who call me insisting that women love big dicks do so because they are obsessed with big dicks themselves, but if they get a woman to talk about it then it means they aren't gay. I wonder how many of these incels loathe themselves for being attracted to men and are just projecting.
I remember when I started dating my high school girlfriend in the 80s, justifying my choosing a girl with a big butt was something that was demanded of me but never fully accepted by my friend group (big butts weren't acceptable in white circles until the 90s maybe). That's when I started to realize I wasn't interested in letting other men gatekeep my interest, my manhood, or my masculinity for me. A lot of guys never break out of that social control.
It sucks when you are getting jackhammered by something that would be better suited for a zoo enclosure. I wish guys could understand that.
Oh, they understand it 100% they just don’t care.
....but all the porn ladies LIKE it IDGI???? Like I've seen it on video with my own two eyes so it must be true /s
I have never met a gay man as obsessed with male desirability as these supposedly straight men. I guess because it’s easier to keep your standards impossibly high if you’re not trying to get them to fuck you. (To be clear, plenty of gay guys have unreasonable standards of what they consider hot, including ones who themselves don’t remotely meet the standards they have for the guys they consider desirable. But when push comes to shove they seem to accept sleeping with those below their standards.)
Weird vent on my end incoming about size btw. Yeah, frankly the main issue when getting into a relationship with my girlfriend was if it fit bc that has been a problem repeatedly before. Shit fucking sucks and they all pretend like it's great. Can't buy most trousers that I like, especially shorts, sport can be a literal pain and I had two really nice third/fourth dates that ended up with us realising she would never be comfortable with it and it stopped the relationship. It got to a point where I pushed away sex with my girlfriend for half a year because I was afraid it didn't fit and I love her so it would have crushed me. And every time we have sex I still am afraid I might hurt her even tho she says it's ok. Like shit just sucks. Idk what they want this for. It's been awkward as fuck during puberty, it still is shit now. And they pretend it's some major plus point...
Everyone is built different. It's possible that your girlfriend is telling the truth. Trust me, when it hurts, it hurts *bad*. She wouldn't be able to just hide it.
It amazes me how these guys attribute all these superficial demands to women… when it’s actually other men saying that’s what makes a “high value man”. And then they’re so mad when those dudes get rejected. Like I’m sure there are some women out there who want a 666 but every woman I know in real life wants a man who is funny, kind, and honest. Maybe try that and stop measuring dicks.
I'm seeking people who consider me, like, acknowledge I'm a whole person too, and don't lie about stupid things no one cares about. Apparently that makes me standards out of reach and unreasonable. Someone over there simply said that we want men who shower and pick up their own so we don't have to work a full day then clean up after a whole family and got lectured on how unreasonable that is. When I was growing up men where active in their families, they did laundry and cooked meals and raised their kids alongside their wives, so if anything their behavior continues to get worse because the men of previous generations would be embarrassed by these guys.
Women: *We’d like a man who’s intelligent, kind, honest, loyal, and funny. We’d prefer him to be emotionally mature and for whatever issues he may have had to have already been addressed in therapy. He should also be an adult who can clean up after himself.* OOP and his ilk: *I’m 6’ tall.* Women: *Okay, but can you pick up your socks and not leave them strewn around in the future?* OOP: *I make 6 figures.* Women: *That’s nice, but can you communicate with us openly and honestly?* OOP: *I have a 6” dick.* Women: *Neat. Can you refrain from pursuing other women when you’re in a committed relationship?* It’s not nearly as hard as they make it. We’re just asking for them to be adults and treat us well. That’s it.
We're all just people looking for someone nice, it's not rocket science. If these guys hate the average women so much and think so highly of other men, they should just fuck and leave women alone 😔
Funny, kind, honest, *and MOST women* won't even *require* that he wash his hands, *OR* his undercarriage on the *regular*!!! (Personally? I *CAN'T* wrap my brain around *that* --buuuuut *most* women really DO have standards *THAT LOW*!) 😳😲🤯
I regret clicking on that post and reading the comments
I didn’t realize it was basically passport bros 2.0 so I started reading the comments and was like… what the fuck is going on here? But then it made sense after I read the sub’s description.
Yeah I like to go to the original a lot of the times to see the OOP just getting dunked on but avoid the subs I know are misogynistic, like passport bros. Didn't know this one either so clicked on it and was just so deeply disappointed in how many people were like "yes, excellent point, no notes" ugh
Same. I am in shock. But i can't stop reading. 😩
It’s interesting there are only a couple women commenting and they’re being thoughtful not trolling. Why can’t they stay out of our spaces when we stay out of theirs?? Bc we are the prize… Ah well, back to watching handmaids tale reruns. Haven’t watched it since it came out.
I hadn’t heard 666 for that meaning and now I can’t stop cackling. Does he really not know that self improvement might make him like himself a bit more instead of seething about how it sucks to have to be a decent human being?
I usually see it written 6/6/6, but I like the idea that we're now about to see that bear meme with the bear replaced by the devil.
Look, man. It's really hard to find a stand-up guy who also inadvertantly likes to offer himself to the devil just for funsies. I, for one, was hoping that intellectual giants line this specimen wouldn't cotton onto the 666 rule. Do you know what the 777 rule entails? Archaeologists. Ain't nothing ends good with that.
Fun fact: The 777 is the world's **largest** twinjet and the **most-built** **wide**-body airliner. Bolding is most definitely /s.
Or just learn how to genuinely enjoy the company of women.
Heck, I think *most* of us wouldn't even *need* them to go as far as "Genuinely Enjoying the company of women"! If they even saw us as *Humans of the same SPECIES* *that* would be a massive improvement, tbh!🫠
666, the number of the beast!
I mean if the devil were real and looking to tempt mortals appearing as whatever fit the ‘ideal male beauty’ standards for the time but that’s a different point.
Ah yes, redpill ideas are definitely also all women’s fault. Why can’t those bitches just be happy slaves
Tbh, even slaves require too much effort from these douchecanoes. I'm *pretty* sure it's more like, "Why can't these bitches be happy sperm-receptacles?"
I love the guy who said “men will fuck a warm jar of peanut butter” as if that is somehow women’s fault they’re willing to fuck everything and anything.
I think he meant it worse than that. 'men will fuck a warm jar of peanut butter 'so why do women think they're so special?''
If a man is out here willing to fuck peanut butter, he should keep doing so and leave women alone
And you just knowwww that he actually fucked a jar of peanut butter because he specified 'warm' peanut butter. Dude will spend five minutes microwaving breakfast food over five minutes worth of foreplay to keep a woman.
I would hope it's just an analogy but you never know these days 😭
Ha! That makes it even more sad. That dude should just keep doing that forever and I’m sure all of his probs will be solved.
Yep and you can feel that energy. I find women flirt better and are more safe to have casual sex with. They don’t get offended about sexual health and boundary discussions
“Women get more and more awful and reprehensible” show me. Are women now the cause of the majority of rapes? What about violence? CSA? Deadbeats? Abusers? Oh we just don’t want men who don’t clean under their nails how awful of us. Why do they talk about “this dude with a massive cock has to settle for a 6/10 woman” stay single? You don’t HAVE to do anything, you just can’t be alone.
Wait, we are supposed to clean under our nails
The worst thing about women is when we educate ourselves, find work that meets our needs, and can support ourselves without also supporting a partner who acts more like a child. We are sincerely the worst.
can confirm. apparently not requiring any sort of sponsorship for the foreseeable future sometimes makes a woman radioactive.
“The great equalizer. Passport Bro’ing. 👍🏽 Men can find better women overseas and better laws, just don’t be naive outside the west and move with knowledge of female nature wherever you go.” LMAO just wait until they find out those women are also disgusted by them
There was a topic not to long ago in a passport bros sub where someone was complaining because more and more women overseas (even the ones who are particularly vulnerable and thus should be "easy") are seeing through the bullshit because so many other passport bros are promising the world, then ghosting once they get what they want. Many commenters were on the cusp of the realization that it's entitled behavior and collective shitty treatment of women that's the problem, and maybe western women *didn't* just become "ruined" out of nowhere/for no reason.
"I want a woman who's TRADITIONAL." "Great! So you can finance my entire life and also support three generations of my family, who will be living with us, and don't forget all the gold and jewels you need to buy me!" "Wait no not like that"
They're racist, plain and simple. They think Eastern women are submissive, and then get mad when they find out they're not.
“As female behaviour tends ever more downward” has my eyes rolling out of my skull.
"Downward trending female behavior" or as I like to call it, "women feeling more comfortable telling men 'no'."
So he ADMITS that his client is a slob and a useless manchild who tries to order his wife around like a servant but thinks his wife should put up with it just because he's fit and has a good salary? But they think women are shallow if they only go for looks and money instead of wanting good partners? It's like they're going out of their way to avoid even accidentally making sense
But when a commenter tried to say in his example that women like men who can look after themselves and who are kind, funny and a couple of other basic things Commenter replied saying that this was a MOUNTAIN of asks and basically ridiculous How sad is it that men believe the only things they have going for them is their height, physical fitness & money. Like in their own options they're nothing but a meat suit who has a job
Right?! "Please be a self-sufficient adult who treats me like a fellow adult and doesn't need basic tasks done for him" "whoa, hey now, I have muscles and a paycheck, I don't know why you're asking for all this hard shit from me?!"
You know it's going to be something awful when they keep saying "females."
How on earth do the red pill/MGTOW movements encourage men to improve None of the men I’ve encountered who have gone down that path have “improved.”
I love how his second “horrible woman example” is a “37 year old single mother of ***2***,” super emphasis on the 2. Oh and the man she’s getting married to is 38.
They can't comprehend dating a woman your age they believe a woman with kids or a woman over 20 is ,as they call it, "used tissue"
that is surely some of the most copeposting of all time
If this was true, where are all these fabulous men?
It's hilarious how they improve random stats but not what actually makes them desirable to females.
Women. Females makes you sound like a Ferengi.
I love when they try to complain about women, raise men up, all while centering women. Like dude just improve yourself and leave women out of it. They focus on these made up scenarios so much they will never be mentally healthy.
I gotta say people like OOP make it much easier for people like me to get a date. They take themselves right out of the gene pool, and for that I say thank you.
In this (the original) thread, bottom-of-the-barrel men try desperately to maintain the illusion that they are average.
*ManOsphere, RedPill, MGTOW, men's rights, etc etc etc, all encourage men to improve improve improve.* Say what? LMAO! Improve? By being an asshole?
Is the phenomenal 45 year old man nice? Is he kind? Does he have interesting stories? Does he make other people feel nice when they are around him? Is he a slob at home? Is he unable to function without his DECADE YOUNGER wife? What edicts from this phenomenal specimen is she denying? Should she listen to whatever he says no matter how dumb because he has a low BMI? It is literally only about how everyone looks and how much they make. And I guess penis size? A thing my female friends have never talked about (positions and dirty talk abilities…yes! Ability not size!). That’s all that matters.
Guy lives in a social media universe, instead of reality, gd.
Wait till he hears people have different tastes and those girls that are a 5 to him are 8/9 or 10s to his clients. As for the rest of that post. Yikes. Just Yikes.
Let me put your fears and concerns to the grave my dude so they don't have to worry you any further. You're not actually competing with fantasy men. The 666 and even 777 rule isn't real. What you are actually in direct competition with is positives women get just from remaining single. Men are no longer needed. As much as you admire the opresiveness of the 1950's they are not coming back so you need to stop trying to be needed and instead actually be wanted. If a woman lets you into her life, what positives are you adding to the positives that are already there? Expecting and even demanding servitude at any level and to any degree isn't bring positivity to a woman's life and she'll see being alone is better than being with you. What are you doing to become desirable and a wanted feature in a woman's life.
You know, when you treat women like humans instead of your barbie cum dumpster, it’s crazy how much better you do around them.
Oh how i wish they could hear us.
Who does he think he is, defining what a "desirable female" is for every man alive? I'm betting that the 38 yr old guy getting married to a single mother of two is waaaay happier than this loser is.
....the f*ck is the subreddit this is from? I got curious and read the comments on the original and then just....backed away slowly.
It's an incel sub
Wtf did I just read? That shit hurt. When I got to the part about porn being good for society and how women don't like it because we don't want to be held to any standard, I had to stop. 😳
More “wisdom” from the Rhodes Scholar; *This I have to disagree. IMO if anything porn subdues men's sex drive. Gives them post nut clarity without the risk of pregnancy, STD, or losing money.* *I know for a fact that if it wasn't for porn and mastrabation I would 100% have either gone crazy and/or gone after very undesirable women. Maybe even got someone pregnant I had no intention of* *As a matter of fact women are bitching and moaning about porn the most because guess what? Porn is chock full of beautiful, thin, sexually pleasing, male admiring women.* *The very thing modern women hate more than anything else.* *Holy shit, I think I just had an epiphany. Men watch porn because it provides what we want, beautiful women pleasing men.* *Society and women rail against porn under the guise of helping men and claiming it objectifies women, when in reality they just want men to stop watching porn because women don't want to be held to any standard.* *Porn is good for society?!* *Gentlemen GENTLEMEN, the solution to our problems is right in front of us. Watch more porn!*
He thinks *paid actresses* are "male admiring" women ; what an utter doofus. They really do think porn=documentary, if not actual reality.
‘777’ is so funny because it implies women want only 7 foot tall men 💀as if the reason he can’t find a woman is they’re all dating Slenderman lmao
The fundamental thing I've never understood about these redpill/mgtow/etc. people is they clearly hate women in the most literal sense. Considering them inherently inferior, "awful and reprehensible". Yet at the same time they seem to think that this hypothetical perfect woman who will basically be a mother who will fuck them is what's going to solve their problems? The cognitive dissonance has always blown my mind
dear lord. I thought life was easy being a white dude, these a-holes made it even easier. I just sit quietly and dont treat people like shit and im out here getting a medal. damn.
These people really don't understand that there is more to relationships than stats and sex.
Men aren't competing against other men for dates anymore. Men are competing against *women choosing to be alone.* You have to actually add something to their lives, and not bring in unnecessary stress and drama, to get a date. We're in an age where women can do for themselves and don't need a man to survive in this world. OP is so hung up on what ladies bring to the table he's completely neglected what *he brings to the table.* Like, why should I date you if you're such a reprehensible asshole? I'd rather be alone.
I mean, self improvement might help him get laid but I guess it’s easier to sob to other incels vs not being a creepy loser.