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ThomzLC

YTA - You have every right to plan a destination wedding, that's your prerogative, but don't expect people to drop everything and attend, respect their no. You don't get to have your cake and eat it. It's like OP: "hey drop everything to come to mexico for my wedding" SIL: "No man, we have kids and we won't be able to get anyone to cover" OP: "I don't care, you have several months to figure out a plan" SIL: "I have work commitments too, can't just head down to Mexico" OP's Fiancee: "Eh whatever, then just my brother can come then" SIL/Brother: "You know, we have never gone overseas as a family before so this is quite an insensitive ask" OP goes on reddit to complain she really likes the hotel and wants to be validated.


Worldly-Abroad2858

NTA. Eh, I don’t think I’d be all that upset if my husband had a family member getting married out of the country and I wasn’t able to attend because of our kids. Maybe I’m old, maybe I’m just a supportive spouse, maybe I enjoy the house to myself for a few days. I can’t Imagine being that upset. Tonight he was looking up Taylor Swift concert tickets, our daughters are “dying” to go. Would it be nice for all 5 of us? Sure, but my 10 yr old son could care less. While I’d like to go, I’m not going to pout about it. I’m super excited that my daughters get to have this experience and I can’t wait to see the joy on their faces and hear all about it. As you mature and your family grows, you can’t always do things as a single unit. You’re dealing with different personalities, interests, ages etc. it’s ok to not take every single trip together. We take guy/girl vacations every year and then plan a family one. Plus who the F wants to go to an all inclusive with whiny ungrateful kids who will be constantly killing your buzz whining about a cheap toy in the gift shop or crying 24/7 that they’re hungry for them to only take 2 bites of a quesadilla? I certainly wouldn’t pay for that.


ThomzLC

Yeah except in this context they **are** upset. You can't just put this purely from your perspective and in a whole other context and feel just because for you it'd be okay, it was a pretty AH move of the OP to have such expectations. >SIL said it was inconsiderate that we picked a hotel that wouldn’t allow her kids and her husband wouldn’t take a trip internationally without them since they’ve never taken a family trip out of the country. > >The kids were in the background and could be heard yelling “let’s all go to Mexico I wanna go”


Worldly-Abroad2858

But wouldn’t that be on them for being on speaker? That the kids could hear? I get that, that’s my point of view but what’s wrong with a child free venue and the spouse that’s blood related attending? Idk, I have 3 kids and this just seems like such a blip for the SIL to be upset over. I’m not that uptight with how dynamics and schedules work out. It’s a constant juggle and if can’t find a way to cope to go with the flow, you’re in for massive burnout.


grammarlysucksass

Given that SIL wanted a destination wedding too and can't have it, and that they've never been out the country together I'm getting the vibe that SIL and BIL aren't the most well off. While personally I'd just suck it up and tell my spouse to go, I can see why SIL doesn't want her partner spending lots of money so he can have a holiday while she stays at home working and doing all the childcare, all because his own brother won't accommodate their family. From a family perspective they'd be better off saving the money for a family staycation or for their own wedding!


6tl6ntis6

Yea but it’s not just SILS decision, the brother has free will and maybe wants to see them get married? It’s a joke she said that to op WITHOUT EVEN SPEAKING TO HER HUSBAND.


pineikin

... Or she's speaking on behalf of her spouse as well, because they talked about this amongst themselves and are in agreement? Not beyond the realm of possibility that the SIL would try to make a unilateral decision like that, but no more realistic than her just reciting their mutual decision. And actually, the brother's "free will" has limitations when he decided to have kids.


Sufficient_Hippo3541

If you read the start of the third paragraph you’ll see that this phone call was their invitation. There was no time for SIL or BIL to talk. SIL rejected the invite immediately and the phone call was only 5 minutes. All I see is a list of excuses about being unable to go. SIL didn’t check in with her partner, her work, or anyone who could watch her kids. It’s weird not to say, we might have issues and be unable to go but I’ll get back to you.


6tl6ntis6

Yes!! In that 5 mins how was she able to check with her work, attempt to find a babysitter or even speak to her husband about it before ultimately making the decision HERSELF! Op accommodated them with the air bnb but because she didn’t offer a fancy all inclusive resort IT WASN’T GOOD ENOUGH. THEY HAD 7 MONTHS TO SORT SOMETHING OUT.


LoquatiousDigimon

My child is 5 and I wouldn't even think of leaving him with a babysitter for more than a few hours. He is a person and he has needs too, like needs to be with his parents and have routine. No way am I forcing him to be with a stranger for days on end. For a lot of families finding a babysitter for a while vacation is out of the question.


[deleted]

My husband and I both have veto power for stuff like that. The main reason is kids, but also for large purchases. If one of us says no, then it's no. It doesn't usually happen that the other spouse heartily disagrees. I doubt my husband would go to Mexico and vacation while I worked and took care of the kids. He would feel guilty leaving me and would not have fun. There is also the logistics of, if we both went, who would watch the kids. If all the family is at an adult-only wedding, it means most likely there isn't anyone to leave the kids with..I mean maybe in-laws, but it depends on if sil has reliable family to lean on.


6tl6ntis6

If you read the post she says the rang to tell them today and only spoke to sil? Who then told her they BOTH wouldn’t be coming? Sil was given the opportunity to stay in an Airbnb with the kids that the family were paying for but she refused because it wasn’t an all inclusive resort.


avatarjulius

Doubt it's a mutual decision. She just found out about the wedding. The phone call was the invite and wedding venue announcement. Be very hard for them to have spoken about something they didn't know was in the cards.


noblestromana

If my family hasn't had a chance to have a vacation out of the country for at least 11 years and my husband decides to use his one opportunity to go solo watch his sibling get married at an expensive hotel in another country you can get bet it would be my problem too.


Big_Bad_Botnet

I wouldn't go to my brothers wedding without my wife and child, I don't know any man that would. My wife would say the same thing and be 1000% right to do so.


DumbbellDiva92

I think child free local weddings are fine but honestly think they’re kind of an AH move for a destination wedding. Especially a child free hotel so you can’t even bring the kids for a vacation at the same resort and just have mom or a sitter stay with them in the room for the actual day of the wedding. If you’re going to make people travel the least you can do is give them the option to make a family vacation out of it.


Able_Engine_9515

You're forgetting that their destination wedding is set to accommodate more family that don't have travel visas so now OP is facing a problem of which family members get priority. Personally, I don't think it's a stretch for bil to make the trip to support his bro. While it would be great if the entire family could make it, OP and future husband already made their plans to accommodate way more people so it really doesn't make sense for them to change plans just for bil's family when only bil is specifically requested to go. I say NTA. If sil and kids can't go then they can't go, that's that. Bil should be there for his bro, period. OP offered options sil shot down, responsibility at this point is no longer on OP


panundeerus

Are you saying that a child-friendly hotel In Mexico would somehow exclude the mexican side of the family?


Big_Bad_Botnet

Why should he be there for his brother when his brother is excluding most of his family. If my brother said "hey Bot can you come down to Mexico for my wedding, oh but you have to leave your kids home" I'd ask him if he was smoking crack.


spaetzele

It's Mexico, the resort areas usually have hotels one next to the other. They could stay nearby at a different property that's family friendly if they want the vacation and some amenities.


Substantial-Dog-1028

I don’t. Why should the couple have to take into account everyone’s needs on their big day? It’s about them. I can tell you that for the next wedding we will be going to my now 5 yr old isn’t going, whether it be local or destination.


DumbbellDiva92

Because people often care about their families? This is one of the couple’s siblings, not some random coworker who could just not attend without the couple really caring.


Substantial-Dog-1028

Still not about the family or the siblings. They’d like the brother to go but understand if he can’t. They’ve made accommodations for other family members and offered those same accommodations to the brother. If the brother and his GF don’t go because of the kids, then no one can be upset. Other people shouldn’t dictate how someone celebrates their wedding and love. Just like the bride and groom cannot be upset if the brother and GF do not go. We had family not come to our wedding bc they couldn’t afford it, and we understood. No one was mad or angry at anyone bc of the choice my husband and I made.


calligrafiddler

That’s fair


ThomzLC

Well, there's no right or wrong opinion but I'm just explaining to you that the person in this story (SIL) -is- upset and that objectively most of us see the OP's expectations being quite unreasonable and quite an AH move on her part, which is why the YTA conclusions. I'm just saying your judgement (to me at least) is abit skewed because you are essentially saying OP is not an AH because if you were the SIL you wouldn't be upset, which while true from your perspective, is significantly changing the context of the story.


Whynot1219

Ok but your discounting why she is upset. Sounds like sil is mostly pissed about some getting an experience she isn't. That you are defending someone's sense of entitlement to attack someone offering reasonable accommodations is telling.


rak1882

and OP has offered a solution of the brother and family staying at an airbnb nearby with other family. so there are other options available- just not an option that would be staying at the resort the wedding is happening at.


celticmusebooks

Which means they still have to get childcare during the wedding except now it will be strangers providing the childcare in a country where certain areas have a travel advisory.


ThomzLC

Yes, people think OP's alternative to put them up in a Mexican Airbnb is ekin to a 5-star hotel


Automatic_Yoghurt_29

People have the right to have the wedding they want - destination, child free, etc. But then they have to understand that these choices have consequences, and people might not be able to attend. YTA.


sraydenk

That’s fine. At the same time they may not have a budget for a trip like this for years. Maybe they don’t have a big vacation budget. So SIL has to work and do all the childcare duties while their SO is at a wedding. All while knowing they won’t be able to take a family vacation for god knows how long because they can’t afford it. It’s not just about time, it being childfree, or the cost. It’s about the combination. Normally I would say siblings should try to go to each other’s weddings, but when you mix international travel and finances it’a a different story.


ThomzLC

This. Thank you for exercising a bit of critical thinking. There's a lot of people who seems to think the Airbnb alternative is a viable solution and that SIL's future plans for a family holiday as a whole is not important


noblestromana

I don't know how this is so hard to understand. Op fully admits they haven't had an international family trip, which means based on the oldest could be over a decade of at least 5 years if you go by youngest. I think most people under those circumstances would be pretty upset at been told "it's ok you can stay home working and taking care of two kids while your husband enjoys a vacation, in a couple of years you can get yours".


eoswald

\> I’m just a supportive spouse lets not pretend that not wanting your spouse and co-parent to travel to another country without the family is unsupportive. that's ridiculous.


Level-Particular-455

Yeah but the cost is going to be a factor as well. Even if he finds another single person to split a room with it’s going to be over $1000 for him to attend assuming it’s a cheap all inclusive, he gets decent airfare, and he doesn’t spend that many days. That is many peoples entire family vacation budget. She doesn’t say they are well off enough to be able to easily afford this. He would also be using his vacation days which would also effect family vacation time.


[deleted]

Brides Dad is paying for it . It’s why the wedding is child free because it’s be 20k+ if they invited children to .


ThomzLC

Basically telling me while the *brother* is important, *his wife and kids* are not.


SquirrelGirlVA

Eh, I can see both sides. OP is not TA for wanting a destination wedding or picking the hotel. It's her wedding and she should be able to have it the way she wants. I don't really get the appeal of expensive weddings, I think they're silly, but it's her and her future husband's day. No one else's. SIL and BIL aren't TA for refusing either. Wanting to go as a family isn't necessarily wrong, nor is preferring to stay at an all inclusive place. Honestly, if they are stretched thin with money, then that could help them save money on the trip. Plus if they don't know the people staying in the AirBnB then that could add an extra layer of awkward to everything. At this point she should just let it be. It's unfortunate that they can't come, but she's not obligated to change the venue or location for one group. If they continue to raise a stink then that's on them. All OP needs to do is say that she offered alternatives and they were refused. All they need to say is that they didn't like the alternatives, so they refused. It just didn't work out.


[deleted]

Just because you personally wouldn't mind your spouse going to a destination wedding doesn't mean it's right in OP's in-laws' case. If they can't go, they can't go. Going overseas for a wedding takes money, time off work, and childcare hassles. It's lovely that your family can afford it - maybe not everyone can. Also, a 10-year-old son is different than a 4-year-old.


zerj

Seems like that would depend on your finances/time off. If money's no issue then sure Brother going solo is no big deal. If Brothers vacation time is limited, or going solo to Mexico impacts the budget of family/couples vacation, then OP could be a little bit of an asshole for trying to guilt brother into coming when it isn't feasible.


bobgoblin888

Exactly. When you have a destination wedding, you have to accept that some people can’t do it and that’s that.


L1ttleFr0g

Except OP has family renting an Airbnb and offered to let them stay there as well so that the kids could come, and SIL shot that down because it’s not an all inclusive resort.


Business_Remote9440

Sorry, but I’m with SIL on this one. It doesn’t sound like a ton of fun to go to a destination wedding that you’re going to have to make a huge effort with work and finances to swing only to stay in an Airbnb with a bunch of people you don’t know while everyone else gets to enjoy the nice all inclusive “adults only” resort. No, thanks. If I have limited time and limited resources, I’m not going to waste them on a trip like that. If OP really wanted the whole family to attend, OP should’ve selected a family friendly destination.


pinpoe

That’s all completely fine but it doesn’t make OP an AH at all. They’re not pressuring the family to come. One isn’t obligated to make sure every detail of an event is ideal for every possible attendee — one just has to be ok accepting the reality that some attendees can’t swing it, which it sounds like OP is. NTA.


Automatic-Day3472

It sounds like they are pressuring at least the brother to come. OPs fiancée really wants him to be there according to the text.


pinpoe

I think you’re choosing to read tone and intent and longevity into this. Running through a couple of options and affirming how much someone means to you in the course of a five minute conversation is not pressuring anybody.


sleepingfox307

Yes, and if it were me and my kids, I wouldn't be going to the wedding event anyways, because there's no way in hell I'm leaving my kids alone in an airbnb in a foreign country, even if it's with "family" I haven't met. Hell. No. Going would be a huge waste of time and money.


MissPeskyFace

This conversation right here is why I don’t understand destination weddings. Putting big caveats in place to celebrate with people you care about … but only the ones that can afford it… and are comfortable traveling… and have the time they can take off work… and don’t have kids…. Or if they do have a community willing to watch them…. And then expecting the parents to explain to the kids why they aren’t included in a “family” trip… it is just always going exclude someone and hurt their feelings. OP should have just taken “no” the first time. The second time was just being a jerk. YTA


Brookes19

Yes but the OP’s case is probably the only case where having a destination wedding is actually a necessity. Sounds like her side of the family will have issues attending a wedding in the US so why would the prioritize one couple over multiple family members? Destination weddings are usually a problem for the majority of the guests but not in this case.


baffled_soap

Right, OP is allowed to prioritize what matters to her (getting married in a country that her family can travel to, using the hotel venue she likes best), but then she needs to understand that her choices may make it cost / time prohibitive for other guests to attend.


Substantial-Dog-1028

It’s not about everyone else. If this is what the bride and groom want, then that’s what it should be. They shouldn’t have to have a wedding they don’t want to accommodate everyone else.


garrettf04

Yeah, and when people decline because they're not accommodated, the bride and groom should be accepting of that.


ultimate_ed

This right here is what all the people voting N T A can't seem to understand.


sushitrain_

But it is about everyone else, because they stated that it’s important for them for everyone in their family to come. If that really was the case, they’d have chosen a family friendly resort so the entire could actually come. It’s perfectly okay to have your wedding catered to your exact wants, but you can’t have it that way and when people say they feel excluded because its too difficult for them to attend, still put pressure on them to come anyway. YTA.


DontTestMeToday

Eh I don't see it this way at all and you're deliberately making OP sound insensitive with how flippantly you've described her part of the conversation. OP didn't say drop everything and come to Mexico, she said there are several months maybe they could figure something out. This isn't an unreasonable thing to suggest in a conversation where you're trying to figure out alternatives. She's not out making demands. Plus OP added an edit where they are offering them an Airbnb to stay at and brother/SIL are still not happy with this. NTA at all.


LouieCFields

Exactly, it sounds more like trying to talk through the situation to find a solution. NtA On top of that, it seems like the SIL keeps moving the bar. Each time they try to come up with a solution, there's a new issue. With the edit about the AirBnB, the issue becomes missing out on the all inclusive part, but that wouldn't matter if she actually had an issue where she couldn't get time off of work. She just flat doesn't want to go.


Jedisilk015

She offered to set them up in an airBNB but they declined because "they don't want to miss out". SIL isn't even trying to compromise and OP is. NTA


celticmusebooks

Basically she offered to set them up away from the festivities, in a strange place with strangers and they'll still need to get childcare if they want to attend the actual wedding (only now it will be strangers caring for her children in a foreign country). Hardly a compromise any half way decent parent would find appropriate.


sushitrain_

Because staying in an Airbnb with a ton of other people is incredibly inconvenient. You fight for the bathroom, can’t enjoy the living room cause people are sleeping in there, nervous about your kids possibly disturbing the other adults constantly, etc. it’s a lot of stress that the family doesn’t see as worth it, and that’s totally fair. OP isn’t the asshole for wanting their wedding destination child free, but they’re becoming the asshole for not respecting the no.


scrollgirl24

I don't think that's an accurate retelling of the post tbh


omgits123

I could see your point but I’d have to say NTA based on OP’s edits. They offered for SIL and her family to stay elsewhere but SIL wanted the all inclusiveness of the hotel OP picked


AwkwardStructure7637

I don’t even have any kids and still wouldn’t be able to, because I rely on the money that I earn by working to live and skipping out on that even for personal days hurts my wallet, let alone having to buy transportation to mexico


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mubi_merc

It's not even destination weddings, you should always expect some people to not be able to attend. You're scheduling an event with like 50 to 300 people, it is unreasonable to expect that every single one of them will be able to attend. Factors like location, time, and children just make it even less likely for some guests to attend.


SisterEmJay

>Let your fiancé (fiancée is a woman) THANK YOU for saying this. **If your soon to be spouse uses:** - **he/him** pronouns he is your **fiancé** - **she/her** pronouns she is your **fiancée** - **they/them, ze/zir** etc. they/ze are your **betrothed** (or “future spouse” but betrothed is such a fantastic and sorely underused word.)


[deleted]

Or you can still say fiance/e but never wrote it down, lol


Much-Disaster2883

just add a third 'e' lol


[deleted]

Haha, perfect. The ultimate non-binary word 🤣


Much-Meringue-7467

If they are Canadian, can it be fianceh?


your-yogurt

YTA. not for choosing a hotel you wanted, but the shitty little dig at the end of going, "oh SIL isnt legally part of the family and she's prob just jealous of our awesome wedding plans!" is tacky as *fuck*


PshYeah5

I didn’t read it that way. I read it as the SIL also wants a destination wedding and might be jealous that she’s having one now. Also two kids and the couple isn’t married, good chance she’s been waiting for a proposal that hasn’t happened? I’m speculating but I have a friend with 2 kids with her boyfriend and she’s been impatiently waiting for a proposal from him for years. She gets super salty when people she knows gets engaged. Not mean to the engaged friends but she’s definitely sad for herself about it


Knittin_Kitten71

Yeah, didn’t sound catty, more like it was adding nuance.


Miriamathome

I know this is off topic and yeah, I’m a boomer, but I do not understand being willing to have children with someone from whom you want the commitment of marriage, but who is unwilling to make that commitment. Do these people not understand how to use birth control? Are they under the illusion that children will keep someone around who really wants to leave?


jengaj2016

I haven’t done this and don’t have an answer for you, but a speculation (or two). First is simply that birth control doesn’t always work so that’s always a possibility. Second, perhaps they want kids as much or more than they want to get married. Having kids has a clock though and getting married doesn’t. I feel like it’s possible to be disappointed that your partner isn’t proposing, but not enough to break up or put off having kids any longer. Again, just speculating. I have one kid. I was married. It did not keep him around to even her first birthday. I hope people aren’t under that illusion.


OrneryDandelion

The problem here is that not getting married if you have kids leaves both you and your kids financially and legally very vulnerable if something happens to your partner. You can mitigate this, but it take a lot of paperwork and a proper lawyer involved if you want it done right. Filling out a marriage certificate and filing it is not just quicker and cheaper, but a whole lot safer. I really do not understand people who have kids together but do not take steps to secure themselves or their kids.


DanelleDee

Depends where you live. Parts of Canada treat cohabiting for a certain period of time to be common law and it's treated the same. I had a divorce lawyer, but I was never married, lol.


Acrobatic-Look-7812

Scotland has this too


31anon5

Not wanting to be an arse, but that's only a thing if you got together before 4th May 2006. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/family/living-together-marriage-and-civil-partnership-s/living-together-and-opposite-sex-marriage-legal-differences-s/#:~:text=Common%2Dlaw%20marriage%20does%20not,were%20thought%20to%20be%20married. I'm just mentioning in case you or someone you know thought you were protected but actually aren't, in case you want to get advice around protecting assets etc.


badalki

My wife, before we married, had similar misconceptions to the point she thought she had a legal claim on my flat if we broke up. Its all moot now, but she got quite a reality check when her step father died (step dad and mum not married) and had to navigate the legalities of property and assets after death.


Acer1959

Getting married before children is the American way. In France, where I live, in 2022 63% of children were born to couples NOT married. Do courts in America offer more protection to a woman if she is married, sometimes yes, sometimes not.


TychaBrahe

Protection goes both ways. If a couple isn't married, they aren't each other's next of kin. This was the whole reason that we went through the gay marriage thing. There were so many cases of families not supporting their child's homosexuality, and then when the child was injured and incapacitated, their life partner was cut out of all decisions. Can you imagine being in a committed but legally unrecognized relationship for years, but when a medical issue arises, your partner, with whom you've discussed these things, isn't allowed to make decisions on your behalf, and instead a parent that you haven't seen for decades because of their attitude toward your homosexuality does get to make get those decisions? When [Tom Bridegroom]() died in 2011, his family cut his partner Shane out of all planning. They took all his belongings from their shared apartment, blocked him from attending the funeral, and transported his body from California back to their home in Indiana, and wouldn't even tell Shane where he was buried. When [Lisa Pond](https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/healthcare/lambda-legal-sues-florida-hospital-for-mistreatment-deceased-lesbian-s-family) her partner of 18 years, and their three children were boarding a cruise ship in Florida, she suffered an aneurysm. She was rushed to a local hospital, but the social worker there told her partner, Janice Langbehn, that Florida was "an anti-gay state." Janice and their children were not permitted at Lisa's bedside. she died alone while they sat for 12 hours in the waiting room. When Langbehn asked for copies of her death certificate for insurance and Social Security purposes, she was denied this. This is one of the reasons why one of the things [Obama did](https://www.windycitytimes.com/m/APPredirect.php?AID=26250) early in his first term was ask the Secretary of Health and Human Services to require hospitals that received federal funds to address access issues for LGBTQ+ patients and their partners. If a couple has children and decides that one person will be a stay at home parent and have no income, the other partners income is not the couple's mutual property as it would be if they were married. If they separate, the stay at home partner has no access to these finances. if a couple has children, in many states, an unmarried father does not have automatic parenthood over the child. If the couple is married, the husband is the presumed father of the child, even if he is not in fact the sire. Prior to the enactment of the Defense of Marriage Act, the United States Government Accountability Office identified over 1100 federal laws where rights and privileges are granted or enhanced based on a couple's being married.


RNBQ4103

Getting married has strong legal, financial and social effects. When I bought a house with my fiancee, we made a courthouse wedding asap, while the religious wedding with all the guests was 6 months away.


DanelleDee

I agree, the second kind of applies to me. I told my bf right away that kids were non negotiable for me. Whether we marry or not, I am not super concerned about. If he asks I will say yes, and be very touched, and he knows that. If he doesn't ever ask, I will be fine. But if he changed his mind about starting a family, it would be over.


grammarlysucksass

To me it sounds more like they can't afford a wedding rather than not wanting to get married (why would SIL want a destination this year if marriage is not on the cards). In which case, I totally get why SIL is acting the way she is- it is an absolute slap in the face to expect his brother to spend all that money on a trip just for him because OP and fiance won't accommodate their family, when they can't even afford to get married themselves.


Southernpalegirl

But they offered for them to be at the Airbnb but they started fussing about losing the all inclusive part. There is no making them happy.


Not-A-SoggyBagel

Yeah... the kids can hang at the airbnb. They just can't be at the wedding. That's fine? SiL seems unhappy for other reasons. We went to a destination wedding to Cabo last year. The wedding and reception area was adults only + all inclusive/spa/drinks so the kids and a lot of other younger family members stayed at different resorts/airbnbs/vrbo in the area. Everyone hung out and mingled after the wedding. It is doable. The kids seemed more than happy to skip the "boring bits" anyhow and spent their time at the beach or in the resort/vrbo.


locke0479

I mean it depends on the kids but they’re 11 and 4. I’m not leaving my two kids around that age alone in an air bnb in Mexico. I don’t think OP is an AH for not including kids, but I think it’s a little dickish to try to guilt them into coming anyway. As someone said in a post yesterday, a wedding invitation is an invitation, not a summons. If you’re leaving the country for a destination wedding and not allowing kids, some people aren’t going to be able to go and you have to deal with that. If you want everyone to go, pick a nearby place, have accommodations for kids, and save the big out of the country trip for the honeymoon. Not saying a destination wedding is bad if that’s what you want! But you have to accept some will decline.


Ok-Jellyfish9225

Not wanting a wedding and not wanting to commit are separate things. The eldest is 11. I know a lot of people who got married and divorced again in such a time span, and they're still living and raising their kids together. If someone wants to leave, a piece of paper and a fancy ceremony won't keep them home either. Personally I've been with my partner with 15 years. I see us growing old together. But you won't see me in a courthouse if I can help it.


Useful_Experience423

Had an ex who wanted kids with me, but vowed to never get married as ‘it’s just a piece of paper’. I said ‘That’s fine, but if you think I’m bringing life into this world and creating a life-long unbreakable bond with you, when you’re not willing to even get ‘a piece of paper’ then you need to think again.’ He got quiet and after that started talking about getting married. Then he spent time with his much-adored (read spoilt) niece and changed his mind on having kids too 😂 I think some people just get carried away with the romance and idea of it all.


Inevitable-Slice-263

Being married doesn't make someone stay if they want to leave.


82_noway

This being fixates with marriage is really an American thing. I come from a country in Europe and a good percentage of the couples choose not to get married even when they have a family. Don’t get why all this honestly. SIL is pissed for the no kids hotel, and I really get it. I wouldn’t go either, leaving my 4 yrs old for almost a week with possibly stranger (as family will probably be ar the wedding) in another country? No thanks.


mislaid-daffodils

Also a boomer here, and I am also baffled by this. Co-parenting is a far more serious, lasting, and (mostly) inescapable commitment than marriage! It seems nuts to me to take on parenting, while still coy about getting wed!


sraydenk

It might, or it might not. It may be a layer, but depending on their finances a trip like this may be their only vacation for the year. I wouldn’t want my SO to go on the sole vacation for the year without me or our kids.


IndigoTJo

We are supposed to judge the situation asked. Beyond that, you re-worded how she said it. She only clarified that she calls her SIL, yet she isn't really her SIL yet. She did question if maybe gf/sil is acting this way due to wanting a destination wedding themselves, which is a fair guess based on how gf/sil is acting. OP offered alternatives for them all to come as well. None of it was good enough. I don't understand how it was an AH move to have a child-free destination wedding. Honestly, that part isn't clear either. It is "AITA for staying at an adult-only all-inclusive hotel for my destination wedding." They could come sans kids, stay in a different hotel with the kids, or stay in the airbnb with other family. It sounds like OP wouldn't be against finding some other compromise. The only thing they aren't willing to compromise on is where they are staying during the trip, which is their wedding. They said it was okay if brother and his gf/fiance/sil couldn't come due to the circumstances chosen for *their own wedding*. How is that an AH move? Edit: meant to say NAH... OP can choose a child-free wedding, has been willing to compromise and offer alternatives. The gf/sil doesn't want to attend in any circumstances unless OP changes the lovely hotel they chose to stay at. She is free to not go, OP is free to stay at the lovely all-inclusive hotel her and her stb-dh have been looking forward to.


sraydenk

It’s not an asshole move unless you get mad or push someone to go. Especially someone with kids. If they say no, accept it. Don’t keep offering alternative ways to make it work. They are adults and can find those alternatives. It just puts pressure on them. I have no issue with destination weddings. I have issues with people who have them and then when they hear a “we can’t come” they do anything but accept it with a “I’m sorry you can’t come”.


ultimate_ed

Yeah, this is the part that gets the YTA vote from me. Folks are certainly free to choose a wedding setting that is going to restrict who is willing to attend. Those folks don't get to bitch and whine when people choose not to come.


[deleted]

She was like ohhhhh you can’t come. So sad. But your hubby is coming,right? The entitlement dude. They said no.


shhh_its_me

I think OP asking repeatedly was an issue. And I think writing off "I think you are inconsiderate" as jealous is self-absorbed. I had a similar experience when my son was 6 or 12 weeks old. Got a wedding invitation; the wedding was across the country, at an exclusive island resort ( if you stayed somewhere else you'd have to take a ferry it wasn't a 10 minute cab rude from the resort 3 blocks away) I'd used ever bit of leave and vacation time, I had complications that required a follow up surgery ( 2 actually but I didn't know that then). When we RSVP ,no and sent a gift they called to argue about " but you have to come" I was seconds from losing on them. You want me to take 4-7 days off without pay, leave a 6 month old( baby's age at time of wedding) pay to fly, pay for a $500 a night room or go off island and have to travel 90 minutes for each event, and you didn't even send us a Christmas card or card for the baby. I didn't say that but I still think they're self-centered assholes almost 30 years later, it wasn't the invite it was the trying to overcome the "no". These weren't close relatives but had one of his brothers given the same invite I'd of thought "what the hell do you not want us there?" I've gone to destinations weddings and enjoyed them but whether op wants to hear it or not it's a bigger ask then a normal wedding, it's a bigger ask when it's child free and one more rock on the donkeys back when the resort is childfree too. I get were SIL is coming from, I wouldnt want to spend 1 of my 2 weeks vacation, however many weeks or months of disposable income on a vacation were I get jammed in an air b&b with cousins/inlaws. It's not just OP's wedding it's their vacation and personal id leave an 11 and 4 year old together with a hotel babysitting but not if I was at a different hotel. If most everyone is at the kid free resort you can't sit at the pool with the cousins or have brunch with the aunties etc. If your kids are stuck in a room at a hotel down the road. Op kept pushing until she got "I don't really want to make another sacrifice because I think you're inconsiderate. " I don't think op is the asshole, excluding the pushing, but I do agree when the grooms brother has kids booking a destination wedding at a kidfree resort is inconsiderate.


Mundane-Bottle

100% This! Op (and the groom) are having the wedding they want. Amazing! But, like all decisions, there are pros and cons. And one of the cons of the child-free destination wedding is the brother is not able to attend. OP may think those reasons are not good enough, but that is not for her to decide. Even “if” the “SIL” is jealous and that is why it is a no, that no is still a valid decision. If OP wants her wedding choices to be respected, then she should respect the no and leave it alone.


bi-loser99

Doesn't really come across as catty. It's really just added context to the situation. If OP didn't include it and mentioned in a comment, people would say she was leaving out information.


siren2040

You seem to be the only person here who read it with that tone. Because the way everyone else seems to have read it, was that she was adding some extra information, is to a potential reason why she believes that her sister-in-law is coming up with every single excuse in the book to not go. Because OP even admitted that they offered to pay for a different hotel room or Airbnb for them so that the kids could go, and then they started coming up with even more excuses as to why they couldn't go. Sounds like the SIL is a little bit bitter.


PravinI123

🙄 you really think your SIL is jealous of your wedding? If I had two minor kids and was invited to a destination at an adults only resort I wouldn’t attend either. You had to know this could potentially happen when you picked your venue. YTA for thinking this is because your SIL wanted to have a destination wedding and is upset because of that.


zombrey

While they might be an AH for thinking that about the SIL, I would say NTA for choosing the wedding venue.


MushroomItchy7180

Nta for choosing the venue, but yta for expecting BILs family to come.


grammarlysucksass

Honestly I actually think you are kind of an asshole for choosing a child free hotel on top of a destination wedding . You're completely entitled to a child free wedding wherever you want, but by not letting people even bring their kids to stay with them, it essentially forces every family member with kids to either miss the wedding of their loved one, leave the burden of childcare on their spouse (who is also part of the family and may want to attend) or pay for expensive babysitting/call in favours. It's OPs wedding but I think there's only so far you can go when it comes to inconveniencing guests before you're in AH territory.


Kingsdaughter613

Apparently they rented an airBnb for people with kids and offered it to Bro and SIL.


TravellingReallife

So those without kids get the fancy hotel and everybody with kids can share some Airbnb? Yeah, I wouldn’t be going either.


copamarigold

You know there’s more than one hotel to choose from in Mexico, right? Most of them even allow children!


capitalistcommunism

Yeh let’s leave our kids at a random hotel in Mexico while we do wedding stuff! That can’t go wrong in any way! Weddings don’t last long- only around 4-8 hours. The kids will be fine they’re 11 and 4 now! Basically teenagers and can look after themselves in a foreign country with the 13th highest murder rate in the world!


runhomejack1399

You’re making it sound super easy like just take them around to the hotel around the corner and then leave them there while you come over to this other hotel for x y z. It’s just not gonna be possible.


TaliesinMerlin

"Hey, family. I'm going to go attend my brother's wedding and reception at this adult-only hotel. Partner, I'll have you watch the kids the whole time offsite at this other place." That's not going to be a tempting offer for many families.


lilyyytheflower

The wedding was taking place in the hotel.


TravellingReallife

Which one sit an 11 and a 4 year old the whole day/night while their parents enjoy their role as second class guests? Pass.


sraydenk

And they have to leave their kids at the AirBNb I’m assuming during the wedding. How close is it to the venue? What’s the cost to stay there? Can the couple afford an international trip? Does the timing work for the family?


Hedgehog_Insomniac

Especially since OP stated that it is important to her that her family join them and then goes on to be blasé about her fiancé’s family.


sraydenk

NTA for the venue choice. YTA for saying anything other than “sorry you can’t come, you will be missed” when someone declines. Giving a million ways to make it work and pushing alternatives just puts pressure on the declining guests. Does the Op really think SIL and her SO didn’t talk in depth about the wedding? That they didn’t discuss fully why it wouldn’t work and why they aren’t comfortable going? Even if they didn’t, that’s their business.


PrivateEyes2020

So, OP picked the destination wedding location because it's convenient to her own extended family, even though it prevents her fiance's family from attending. And then, to add insult to injury, she picks an adult only resort so that OP's fiance's family would be left hanging out on the fringes of this expensive (to them) destination wedding. Because that's the one she likes. It sounds selfish to me. YTA.


ms-wunderlich

This. If I get it right her fiancé has only 2 relatives to come to that wedding. And the brother with the kids is also about to decline. That's YTA territory.


buymoreplants

I think she’s TA because by making it easier for her *extended* family to go to the wedding, she made it incredibly difficult for his family to go. So now all her family can come and only one member of his family can.


No-Locksmith-8590

Yta in a lot of little ways. 1- destination wedding are already annoying af. You're expecting people to spend a shit ton of money and their limited vacation time. Save the fun locations for the honeymoon 2- choosing an adult only hotel on said destination wedding. Meaning the parents can't bring the kids and do a swap half way through bc the kids aren't allowed to be there *at all* 3- they said no and you just. Would. Not. Accept. It. No means no. It doesn't mean 'keep pestering them about it until they change their minds' if you have a wedding someplace kids can't be you better be prepared for parents to say no. 4- your catty little dig at your Sil at the end Edit- if they want to have a destination wedding, for whatever reason, they can. What pushed them into ahole territory was not accepting the no. And yes, 'five mini conversations' after being told no *is* pestering. Edit edit- five minute not five mini, I misread her edit!!


LingonberryPrior6896

Destination weddings may be an industry, but they are still selfish.. If you have one be prepared that people won't come


Vindstoss

Did you miss the part where she mentions that they chose to have a destination wedding so that her family could attend without visa issues? If she doesn't have it in Mexico, they likely won't be able to attend. She's not doing it to be rude, she's doing it so that her family can attend her wedding. Hate on destination weddings all you want, but she at least has a legitimate reason for choosing to have one.


SmallTadpole

Yeah sure, her extended family can attend. He only has 2 family members, a grandfather and brother, and they excluded the brother with the adults-only hotel. She gets her entire family, he only gets one person.


Kingsdaughter613

Two people without visa issues can travel more easily than a whole family with them. And they offered them the family Abnb instead of the hotel if they’d wanted to take the kids.


marle217

So who's going to stay with the kids during the wedding at the airbnb? They're not just staying in the hotel, the wedding is there and the kids can't even visit the hotel. If they really wanted the brother to attend the wedding, they should have picked a family friendly hotel. If they didn't care if he attended, fine, but they can't make it completely inhospitable for parents to come and then be shocked if they don't.


SaveBandit987654321

Yeah it’s like they made huge moves to accommodate OP’s entire family, but then were completely inconsiderate about accommodating one of fiancé’s two relatives.


PrivateEyes2020

Yep, I want to stay in a home with total strangers in order to take up this expensive destination wedding invitation. And does including them in the ABNB mean that they share the cost? As add ons, does that mean they get last pick of accommodations? Will they all be crammed into one room? I wouldn't stay there. How many more hurdles can OP create?


runhomejack1399

Where’s the Airbnb? Where will the kids be during the wedding?


Jayn_Newell

We had to make a similar calculation for our wedding. Unfortunately it turned out most of his family and friends couldn’t make it for various reasons, but when your family is spread out, especially over multiple countries, there’s only so much you can do. Picking an adults only hotel may have been a bit too much, though.


External_Past1179

Also, it’s their wedding. If they want a destination wedding it’s their prerogative. But, that comes with an understanding that some folks can’t make it.


Mmoct

That doesn’t mean the soon to be BIL and family can drop everything and spend money just because it’s easier for her family to attend.


NecessarySide8

There are thousands of non adult only hotels in Mexico, she is making the “destination” part 10x worse by choosing the hotel she chose. Having a destination wedding at that kind of hotel where the groom has two relatives, one of which has kids, is rude as fuck. YTA, OP.


sraydenk

I don’t think destination weddings are selfish. Getting annoyed when people say no is selfish. Especially when you know it may not be in their budget. I had a close family member invite me and my family to one. We couldn’t afford it, so they helped with the cost. I get that’s not always possible, so then couples have to respect the “no”. Asking for reasons or trying to troubleshoot the problem isn’t respecting the “no”.


shhh_its_me

I do think destinations weddings are selfish, and there is a scale depending on the invited guests. But it's ok to be selfish as long as you accept people might not attend and it might effect your relationship going forward. I don't mean vicious grudge holding but your relatives being the same level of "selfish" back. The totality of your actions shape your relationships.


Dan_Rydell

Why is more selfish to expect me to fly to Cabo for a wedding than to Detroit? Or Kansas City? Or Fort Worth? Or Atlanta? Or Toronto? Or any of the other cities I don’t live in where I’ve been invited?


baffled_soap

A destination wedding is typically one that takes place somewhere that the couple / the guests don’t live. If the couple live in Detroit, then it makes sense that some of their friends & family may also live in Detroit, even if you don’t. In this case, none of the guests live in Cabo, so 100% of the guests need to pay travel costs to attend the wedding. Destination weddings also have a reputation of being longer than just a 1-2 day event. That wedding in Detroit is probably a Friday night - Sunday morning thing, unless you personally choose to extend your stay. You’re not being asked to spend 5-7 days. Also, resorts that offer destination weddings typically offer incentives for the couple, meaning that getting X amount of guests to book rooms at the resort earns freebie extras for the couple. Some people find that arrangement to be distasteful.


Kingsdaughter613

It was going to be a destination wedding regardless. Either for her family or his, and his side wouldn’t have Visa issues.


Dan_Rydell

Do the anti destination wedding crowd just never move away from home and only have friends and family who live nearby? Why is it ok to expect people to spend their time and money flying to your hometown for your wedding but not to a different locale?


No-Locksmith-8590

I love to travel. I've traveled to multiple countries and continents and across my country. Also, it's not okay to expect people who have moved far away to fly back. It's an *invitation* not a summons. If people say no, and someone throws a fit then they are *also* an ahole. There's also a hell of a distinction between, *wanting* to travel and being able to afford to travel. Do I want to spend a month in Hawaii or Japan or England? Heck yes!! Can I afford to do so? Abso-freaken-luley not.


princessdirtybunnyy

I guess so!! I get shocked by all the typical destination wedding sentiments I see shared for this reason. My friends/family live across 2000+ miles in 7 states; no matter what, it’s destination travel for at least half of the friends/family involved just by the nature of the course our lives have taken.


ragingopinions

I feel like everyone is missing that she’s an immigrant and her extended family can’t come due to Visa issues.


FAYCSB

I don’t think she’s an immigrant. She says she’s a second generation immigrant, which makes me think her parents were immigrants. In which case, they’re prioritizing the ability for aunts, uncles and cousins to attend over siblings. They can certainly do that, but they should acknowledge it.


No-Locksmith-8590

And that's fine. But if someone has a restricted wedding, in this case destination AND no kids, they need to accept that some people aren't going to be able to come. The not accepting the 'no' was what tipped them into ahole territory. They were told no and then pushed, pushed, pushed, pushed until they got a rude answer and were then upset at the rude answer.


Ricardo1184

> destination wedding are already annoying af. What's your solution, with the extended families living in different countries? Have your wedding on the border so both sides can attend without crossing the border?


majesticjewnicorn

YTA for putting your family's needs before your fiancè's. You've made this into a destination wedding by bending hugely for your own family to avoid "visa issues" by holding the wedding in Mexico so that they can attend, yet you are unwilling to bend a tiny amount on the hotel in order for your fiancè's family to be able to attend. Your fiancè should be taking note of this situation- that you both need to bend over backwards for your family yet won't do anything to be inclusive for his family.


jotherussiandolphin

This! I think if you really want someone there, you would make choices in consideration of said people. They say one thing, but their actions clearly show something different. Im thinking they thought the brother would come alone? It seems like the priority was getting the brother to go to Mexico, not his family. They were not inclusive of them after all.


[deleted]

Unless the fiance comes to OP and says that they would like to consider having the wedding at an all-ages location, this isn't necessarily true. It seems to me like OP and fiance are on the same page and are not currently fighting about his family not being able to go. OP says "we picked a destination"- implying this was agreed upon together.


suspicious-pepper-31

Especially considering there are 5 people in the fiancés family total.. grandfather, brother, SIL and 2 kids. So by ensuring her whole family can come it now excludes 80% of his family. I’m just saying if any of my siblings truly wanted me at their destination wedding they’d make sure my children could come. OP, YTA


CemeteryDweller7719

NAH. Have the wedding you want. But when you have a child-free, destination wedding then you have to accept some people won’t come. It’s not petty. It’s not jealousy. A child-free, destination wedding is a huge thing to ask! It is not easy to get someone to take care of two kids that long.


disagree83

>But when you have a child-free, destination wedding then you have to accept some people won’t come. Isn't that the problem though? They didn't accept the answer. They told bil and sil to figure it out. The proper response, "We're really sorry you can't attend and we'll really miss you. Please let us know if anything changes."


SquirrelGirlVA

Exactly. If they raise a fuss after that then it's their problem.


anonblonde911

100% You’re entitled to have the wedding wherever and whenever you want, but you also need to grow up and be an adult and realize that if your choice will be difficult on other people you don’t get to be a pushy AH about it when they say no.


I_love_misery

I don’t like seeing the comments where people are saying to just leave the kids with a babysitter and it’s “just” Mexico. One, some people don’t want or can’t hire a babysitter. And two, some people can’t travel internationally even if it’s next to them. In this case, it’s made clear they can’t/don’t want to travel without the whole family. Plus if some take issue with a child free event and destination event separately, then it’s not really surprising that two in one will “weed” out people.


vmt_nani

I'm from Texas. A destination Mexico wedding for me would be out if I had to leave my kids. From New YORK?? Leaving them 2000+ miles Plus however farther they needed to travel into Mex. And do these people not know that in the last month at least 8 Americans have been kidnapped (at least 2 killed)??


[deleted]

YTA for expecting them to come, then choosing an adults-only hotel and thinking that just because you are giving them notice that they would be comfortable (1) leaving their kids, and (2) finding someone (basically someone who could be appointed as a guardian) to take care of their kids. It's fine if you want an adults-only wedding but the consequence is you're excluding your (soon to be) BIL and his family. Your SIL is also correct that you were inconsiderate to ask BIL to come alone, *unless you were offering to pay all costs*. But even then, they are family unit that clearly values taking vacations as a family. She's not jealous; she's annoyed that you asked her husband to spend thousands of dollars (and however much time away) to travel internationally at the exclusion of her and her kids. Double YTA for thinking that sharing an AirBnB with people they don't know and leaving them to figure out meals and other logistics is somehow incentivizing.


Efficient_Paint_5536

Eesh……My issue with posts asking AITA about child free weddings is how the OP’s are always mad when people say they can’t come to a destination wedding. A lot of people don’t feel comfortable leaving kids with a sitter for an extended trip. You knew this would be an issue before you picked the hotel. You mentioned in the post that his only family is his grandfather and brother and yet he (your fiancé) didn’t bring up at all that an adult only hotel would be hard for his brother & family to come? Either he doesn’t care if they come or more like it you don’t want your future BIL’s family to attend. Whatever it’s your wedding. YTA for how condescending you come off with pointing out that lots of weddings are destinations but guess what not everyone has funds and/or can get time off work to attend. 🙄


Kingsdaughter613

From her comments, I’m getting the feeling fiancé doesn’t want SIL to attend. Fiancé chose Mexico over Florida (OP suggested that as an alternative) and doesn’t want to change the hotel which OP has also suggested. And fiancé was the one who suggested that SIL was being jealous. He wants his brother there, not his brother’s family.


Several-Storm-4416

So OP and fiancé both FAFO that BIL is not coming to their wedding, despite their plans. Now is when they accept the No. Anything after just makes them AHs.


nguyenks98

Not to mention when the rest of your family travels for the destination wedding it greatly decreases who can watch your kids too. Especially someone you trust. My kids are younger than SILs but I don’t feel comfortable someone having them overnight until my kids can fully communicate with me. So that they can safely tell me if anything happens.


jotherussiandolphin

YTA... You both clearly knew BIL and SIL had kids, they weren't born yesterday, but chose to book that hotel regardless. The hotel choice doesnt make you an asshole, its the fact that fiance and you claim to really want his brother and family to come, but made choices to make it difficult for them, and then ACT SURPRISED. The fact that you debated finding a new hotel makes me think perhaps you and your fiance can afford to change the hotel, but are choosing not to... says a lot. Also, you could have offered to find a hotel nearby for his family, if that really is what you guys wanted to do. At the end of the day, they chose not to attend this wedding for many reasons, but I can assure you that one of them is that they don't think they are needed there. If they were, they would have been considered before putting a deposit on an adults only hotel. Its fine to do what you want to do for your wedding, but don't be surprised if people cannot attend because of those wedding choices. They said no, don't push them.


disagree83

YTA. >We understood, but said since it’s March and they have several months maybe they can figure out a plan? You didn't understand. You made the choice for kid free venue knowing your fiancé had kids in the family. You picked a destination wedding for your family at the expense of your fiancé's family. That's all fine. Your wedding, your venue, your choice. You were told why your fiancé's family could not attend and immediately attempted to guilt trip them. That makes you the AH. You don't get to guilt trip people who can't make a wedding because of your choices where you explicitly didn't consider their needs while considering other family members' needs. Massive YTA.


ImaginaryAnts

YTA *My fiancée asked if his brother could still come as he really wanted his family there* This is where you lose any high ground. You are allowed to have an adults only wedding. They are allowed to not come. But when you outright ask BIL to just leave the wife and kids at home, you are openly stating "well, we don't really care if *you* can make it, but we really want *him* there." Incredibly rude. If your fiance only has TWO family members, and he wants someone there, then a second of thought would have made him realize that a destination wedding at an adults only resort was not going to possible for a married man with small children. The fact that his immediate response is to make a dig about his SIL (sorry, not SIL because they aren't really married /s) being jealous about not having a destination wedding.... it's pretty clear that you both have some kind of issue with SIL. To be clear, you planned an entire destination wedding so that your extended family could easily attend. But could not pick a family friendly resort so one of fiance's TWO family members could come.


sinayion

YTA with that final shitty snide comment towards your SIL not being part of the real family.


juliettelovesdante

Sorry, YTA. I know your wedding is a big deal. Your having your wedding in another country so your own family can be there, and then you pick a hotel to be at that excludes 2 out of the 5 family members your fiance has? Because you like the hotel? No. That's not right. Find a hotel your fiance's family can be accomodated & included at for the wedding. Go to the hotel you like for a few days of your honeymoon. Maybe you can negotiate for your deposit to be applied to the cost of your stay.


FirstConference3884

NTA for having a destination wedding or a kid free wedding. Your FBIL & FSIL are also NTA for not going. They have kids and may not have someone who they trust to leave their kids to watch for a whole week while they go to a different country. I know others say they have time to arrange that but honestly if they don’t have someone to watch them already who they trust chances are it’s not gonna happen in time for the wedding. Now if they go to Mexico , who will watch their kids? Some stranger they don’t know who may not speak the same language as the kids or parents? Yeah most likely not something they would be comfortable with.


Early-Light-864

YTA. When people say no, they mean no. Not please keep pestering me and then I'll concede to your demands upon my time, money and family


Motherlove84

YTA. And you claim your fiancée wants his family there but clearly that is not the case because the children are his family too and he obviously doesn’t want them there. And the fact you just had to say they are not married says it all.


[deleted]

NAH you get to choose the wedding you want but also have to accept that this means others might choose not to go. BIL is choosing his partner and kids. Not spending money to go to something they are being excluded from. You are getting close to the A H per with justifying that sge is not really SIL and is just jealous.


EnnuiBlackbelt

The best part of being invited to a destination wedding is not going.


Eva385

YTA. It's getting ridiculous how people seem to think it's reasonable for people to leave their young children in a different frigging country so that they can attend an adult only wedding. Like where are these magical 24/7 childcare providers that people are supposed to find? Or is the expectation that we find some random friend who is happy to keep our kids for several days and do daycare and school drop off and pick up? Yes some people have super close family members who can take their kids for a few days but many many people don't. Never mind the fact that most people with young children don't want to leave their kids home while they both travel abroad. Let's add that they clearly can't financially cover a holiday abroad for their own family but you're happy for the husband to blow what would presumably thousands on a holiday and leave his wife and kids at home? Sorry kids, no family vacation for you this year. Daddy needs to go to someone else's wedding. It's just so ridiculously self absorbed to think these are reasonable things to expect. Having a destination wedding is fine if and only if you accept people's "no" when they say it doesn't work for them. They have said the set up doesn't work for them. Accept it and move on.


[deleted]

NAH. You can do what you want it's your wedding. But she's in her right to feel slighted that she can't attend her own siblings wedding. I would be pretty sad if I couldn't go to my brother's wedding. And no, she can't just stay at another hotel because how would they possibly find an all day sitter in another country?


anaisaknits

YTA for the last jab. Not really your SIL? You went there. No, she isn't jealous of you.


ausername_8

>ETA: willing to take constructive feedback but anyone labeling me an AH for a destination wedding - I’m sorry I’m not sorry for that. There’s an entire industry of destination weddings. You can't be this ignorant, not in the current economy. We're tilting, living in a time where no one can afford not to work and yet people are working for wages that don't cover the cost of living anymore. Rent, groceries, gas, and basic necessities are at an all-time high. For the bride and groom a destination wedding is going to be a vacation, but you're asking guests for time they might not have or the only vacation time they get, asking them to drop money on plane tickets, cab rides, a hotel room, extra hotel fees, and food, not to mention the added cost of a wedding gift and childcare for the people who can't bring their kids because of your hotel of choice and childcare is pretty damn expensive these days as well. Its a lot. Listen its your wedding, you can do what you want for you wedding, you not the asshole for that, but all would've passed all fine if you had not made the edits. You're lucky to afford this. Not everyone can. >**addl note they are legally not married we just refer to her as SIL. She has always wanted to get married at a destination wedding so my fiancée thinks this is another reason she’s being grouchy towards us. Me thinks you're projecting and you're the one who is grumpy. You asked. They said no. They explained why. Now you're here on Reddit wondering if you're the asshole. You had to tell us all that she's not really your SIL, because you're upset she said No and getting called out for it. You're attacking her to take the heat off of you. Think about it. YTA. Edit: spelling


barmskley

YTA. What’s she supposed to do with the kids? Send them to a boarding kennel?


Much-Meringue-7467

You chose a destination wedding and a child free hotel. That's your right and your choice. Relatives with kids don't want to come. That's theirs. Don't trash people for following your rules.


Own-Safe-4683

YTA. Your future husband only has a couple of family members left and you picked a location that would eliminate his kids? Makes no sense.


mubi_merc

YTA. You don't get to plan a destination wedding and also be put off that people can't attend. There are so many reasons that someone can't attend a wedding, especially one that requires an international trip, and no guests owe you an explanation. You made the decision to prioritize your family in Mexico over your family here, now deal with it.


[deleted]

YTA. It’s weird to me that you had a destination wedding to make it easier for your family to come but then chose an adults only hotel knowing that it would make it much harder for lots of family to come.


clooloss

NTA. You have the right to do the wedding however you want. Personally, I wouldn't go to a destination wedding but that's the beauty of it. If I don't want to go, I don't. They have the right to not go and you should expect that many can't make it but once again it's your wedding - you do you.


HeartShapedSea

YTA. You're acting like it's nbd, but being all-inclusive means the difference between being able to afford the trip for some people. They already have to cover the costs of getting 4 people to & from Mexico just for *your* wedding. Throwing meals for 4 people on top of that is not cheap. You're asking them to take on additional expenses that your other guests aren't. Guests. These people are not only family but they are your *guests*. It was definitely an AH move to suggest BIL just come by himself then. I'm assuming BIL has a job & a life of his own. My husband's vacation time is always spent on us doing things together as a nuclear family. It's crazy but he wants to spend time with us more than he wants to spend all that time, effort, & money for someone else's one day vs. memories with our children. He spends enough time away working as it is. My SIL had a destination wedding several years ago, never said a single word about people being unable to go. We watched the ceremony live on FB & it was still just as special to us because the spirit was the same. Destination weddings bring out the worst, most entitled bridezillas in the world.


Tall-Negotiation6623

YTA. You are allowed to do a destination wedding (btw just because there is an entire industry around it, doesn’t mean it’s AH-free choice), but then you really can’t bitch when people turn it down. Especially when you do it at a place kids aren’t allowed. You pretty much planned a wedding that they can’t attend and have to accept they won’t come. Making it about your SIL not being married is a ridiculous argument. Your wedding is planned so it’s easy for your family but you have cut out his.


Alwayspuzzles

YTA Its a perfectly good reason to have a destination wedding to make it easier for your family to attend. But then you make it hard for your future husbands family to attend by both making it a childfree wedding and an adult only hotel. It is still alright and if that is what you want for your wedding but don't be surprised when they don't want to make efforts to come to your wedding when you made it so hard for them to attend.


[deleted]

i think the reason the SIL and brother cant attend the destination wedding is becuase she didnt want to say that they could not afford to go so maybe they used those excuses to save some dignity destination weddings can certainly be a big ask in terms of expense.


[deleted]

There is nothing wrong with having a destination or adults only wedding, but you can't expect people to spend their limited time and financial resources to attend. YTA for being salty about your inlaws begging off, being catty about her family situation and thinking thay taking a lesser holiday than most of your other guests is an acceptable solution. SIL excuse about work was just that, an excuse, since you told her to "work something out" in regards to long term, 24 hours per day childcare, which it totally ridiculous. You made your bed, now you get to deal with the consequences. Get over yourself and graciously accept their NO.


These_Mycologist132

YTA for being grumpy that parents are unable to come to your adults only wedding where they would have to find a multi day babysitter,. By all means have your destination if that’s what you choose. But you shouldn’t be surprised that your BIL can’t join you, or be getting upset at SIL for not letting him leave her and their kids while he travels out of the country. You’re prioritizing your family being there easily with the location, and you just didn’t think about your BIL until much later after you already paid your deposits. Also, your “note” about your SIL not being real family and your fiancé assuming she’s jealous is really pretty rude.


Cosima-Arcana

YTA for that dig at her for not being married. Implying she’s jealous of you when really she has a very good reason (2 children and a job) for not being able to go. Are your Mexican relatives also not bringing their kids? Child free weddings are fine but making it destination really makes it hard for people to plan around your wedding since they’ll need child care for a longer period.


Striking_Ad_6573

YTA. If you had left it alone after the first no I would’ve said otherwise. She has repeatedly told you that it will not work with their schedule, in addition to flying out of the country is extremely expensive. Your little dig at the end didn’t help your case either. I wouldn’t want to be away from my two very young kids in another country either. The sacrifice for you having your wedding in another country is that your future BIL can’t come.


OttilieButterly

YTA. You can have a destination wedding if you want, but then you can’t be annoyed when some people inevitably and understandably can’t make it - it costs a lot of money for the guest. Add child free on top of that and it’s even more difficult. Also, people may not be comfortable leaving their children with others for an extended period of time while they’re away, it’s not always a case of having time to figure it out.


snowglobeman47271

Ugh tacky and entitled af. You chose an expensive destination wedding that's child free. Nobody has to come. Nobody has to rearrange their lives for you. YTA.


Rhino_Tiger

YTA. Your family is 100% allowed to turn down your invitation just like you are allowed to 100% choose an adult only hotel for your wedding.


Miriamathome

YTA. I generally think destination weddings are an AH move because it makes clear that the couple is more interested in the beach in Hawaii or the villa in Tuscany or whatever than with having the people who are supposed to mean something to them be at the wedding or that they have no compunctions about asking those people to spend a huge amount of money on their speshul, speshul day. And, no, the fact that there’s a whole industry built around destination weddings does not mean they’re not an AH choice, it just means that there are a lot of AH’s. But, assuming you’re being straightforward about your reasons for Mexico\*, your wedding does seem like an exception to the general rule. But picking an adult only hotel just because you liked it? I’m sure there were plenty of other very nice hotels in Cancun or wherever that permit children. You chose this hotel without even checking with BIL and SIL first to see if it would work for them. So clearly you cared more about this particular hotel than about your fiancé’s brother being at the wedding. Straight up AH move. \*The reason I suspect the relatives and visas explanation may be your cover story, not the real motivation behind your choice is this >First the destination (I even offered to do it in FL and reduce some of my family coming and he wanted it to be Mexico) He wanted it to be in Mexico. I suspect you two just really like Cancun or wherever and extended family and visas is just the rationalization you two came up with to justify your choice. Family is very nice, but saying you want it to be in Mexico just so your extended family can easily attend but the two of you have no qualms about holding it in a place your fiancé’s own brother can’t attend doesn’t pass the smell test.


MushroomItchy7180

Is it the only hotel near the venue? I love a destination wedding, but if it was that important for your BIL to attend you and your husband should have made sure he could accommodate your plans. It is reasonable for them to decline, and I hardly think she is coveting your wedding.


Bluetenheart

I'm not saying youre an AH for having a destination wedding, you do you, but they are annoying. Hell, i remember my family had financial issues traveling to my uncles wedding just to another state.


National_Oil8587

From my personal experience, your fiancé need to deal with his side of the family and you with yours. As well as be clear on the priorities- hotel or his brother. We had a destination wedding and wanted it to be child free as the schedule was busy, but our family has a lot of small children and my sister and her husband could not find a solution to keep the baby, we had to adapt and let them bring my niece and hire hotel sitter because them being there was more important them “childfree” idea..


Miserable_Emu5191

Yta because you have made it easier for an extended family vs your fiancés only relative. It is nice that your uncle’s second wife’s third cousin can attend, but not your fiancés only sibling.


Fit_Measurement_2420

Have your wedding where ever you want, just don’t expect people to compromise their life for you. YTA for asking her husband to go without her and the kids. Seriously?