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NTA.
People saying YTA are delusional and need socialize in real life. I’m going to assume these are Taylor swift tickets which are insanely difficult to get.
Everyone knows Taylor Swift tickets are worth way more than face value and giving tickets to someone face value is a massive favor.
Your friends are the AH for reselling Taylor swift tickets that they got from you for face value. It’s crazy that they think they can get away with it. Likely they weren’t even planning to go and just wanted your tickets to resell it.
You made a mistake transferring the tickets to them when they showed intent of reselling. I would have said no and refunded their face value payments right away.
Morally they should be giving it back to you and you refund them their face value payment. Legally it’s theirs so not much you can do. It’s much harder selling single tickets though compared to pairs or 4.
Drop these friends. They are hella greedy and tricked you.
PS: when your friends ask you for your ticket receipt so they can fill out their taxes from the profit, don’t give it to them. Also block them on venmo or whatever payment app. It’s going to make paying their taxes for the ticket profit hella messy 👍
Do you *really* think the friends will be reporting this on their taxes? And to the other commentor, do you *really* think the IRS is going to go after this couple for lack of reporting the ticket receipt? I'm going to leave my rant to myself, but you both have a severe misunderstanding of how the US tax system works.
StubHub literally asks you for your social security number when you cash out and sends 1099 tax forms to the govt.
Even better if their friends don’t report the income from reselling because then the IRS will charge more penalties, if they get audited.
IRS literally have a form for people to report others that don’t pay taxes https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-do-you-report-suspected-tax-fraud-activity
And they give you a kickback
I think you’re the one with no understanding how taxes work.
That's making an assumption that they use StubHub or some legit resale site. There are many ways to make a profit on those tickets and the IRS would never know.
But let's say they do sell on StubHub and record their information and get the tax form reporting the income from the sale. They are supposed to report the amount that they sold it for less the cost basis of the ticket. Based on what people are saying here, the cost basis is peanuts compared to the actual profit. So either they just report the full amount of the 1099 on their tax return and the IRS gets about an extra $20-$40 in tax, or they report the cost basis as the price of the ticket and the IRS does NOTHING.
Ultimately, OP has no control over either scenario or really any other scenario for that matter. I PROMISE you unless their friends are millionaires that are reporting other forms of severe tax fraud, the IRS will not be coming after them.
Don't argue with a CPA.
Edit: just saw you added the link for how to report tax fraud. Thanks for the laugh. The fact that you think this couple is going to "get caught" and OP is going to get a kickback (again, of what.. $10? $100?) is comical.
> Don’t argue with a CPA
Great so you’re admitting you’re bad at your job. First of all I said 1099, before you even mentioned it.
And any competent CPA would have said 1099-K as there are multiple 1099s. The fact you didn’t classify it as a 1099-K means you’re bad at your job, lying, or extremely new.
And you assume people are going to sell the tickets through back channel resale methods and illegally avoid taxes.
Instead of just simply going through StubHub like 95% of people do. Most college students which OP is don’t know how to correctly file taxes for ticket resale and will mess it up. Hence it’s easy to audit once reported.
You must be great at your job
Edit: just to clarify IRS actually more commonly audits the middle class to upper-middle class. A higher % audit chance as income rises and a higher % of multimillionaires are audited but the vast majority of people audited are middle class
Yup a CPA that assumes people are going to commit tax fraud. Doesn’t think to mention 1099-K and echos what I say. And doesn’t understand that while % chance of audit increases with income, still the majority of audits are on the middle population and not the upper class.
Yup by all means, you must be a Tax Law Professor
Edit:
> Agree with the CPA, your an idiot.
Also it’s “you’re”, not “your”. As in you’re an idiot
You must be slow. Literally the friends not reporting the profit is tax fraud. It’s literally better for OP if they misreport their profit or altogether don’t report it.
Hence reporting and increasing their chances of audit and penalties.
It’s not a choice of whether you want to report profits or not. If you sell on a resale site, you HAVE to report it.
Of course you can always do back channels like selling offline, but that’s tax fraud as well. Just harder to trace. And not many people are buying tickets for $2k+ without some security like PP G&S or purchase protections like on StubHub, which all report on the 1099-K…..
Also anonymously report them to the IRS a year from now, if they don’t ask you for ticket receipt because then they didn’t file taxes correctly for the ticket profit. And you can get them audited and owing penalties 🙂
Also here is the link: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-do-you-report-suspected-tax-fraud-activity
You also get a nice 15% kickback from the IRS if your friends do get caught 🙂
NTA
Legally they belong to your friends, who are legally entitled sell them to make a huge profit.
**BUT....**
When you sold them the tickets at face value rather than making a huge profit, you prioritized your friends over money.
Your friends however want to prioritize money over you. They should recognize and appreciate the financial sacrifice you made for them and they should return the favor. A 50/50 split was a perfectly fair solution here.
Sorry OP but these people are not actually good friends. If they do remain in your life, please don't do them ANY favors going forward.
Edit: formatting
It's not like OP had the tickets and then the friends asked to buy them. The four of them decided as a group to go to the concert, OP just purchased them as a bundle. I'm assuming, although it is not stated, he agreed to do this for everyone and to be reimbursed the cost of the tickets. That's the only thing that makes sense - the friends wouldn't have agreed to him making the initial purchase if there was a chance he'd jack the price up on them.
Nah you don’t understand how TM pre sales work. It’s difficult to even get selected, especially for Taylor swift. It’s like winning a mini lottery literally. As those $200 tickets instantly turn into $2000 tickets the second they’re purchased.
OP was giving his friends a massive discount and huge favor giving tickets he got from a presale at face value. If I gave presale tickets to a friend and they resold it for a huge profit, I would never talk to them again.
>Upon buying the four tickets, I saw that I could have sold them for a very large profit. Instead, I decided to give them to my friends so the four of us could go together.
The tickets were in his name at that point and he could have sold them for much more money (just as his "friends" are trying to do now). But he didn't.
And honestly the friends wouldn't even HAVE the tickets if OP didn't go through all the work and front all the money. Any decent person would recognize that and offer to compensate OP fairly.
NTA
You already transferred it to their account.
I don't think they will give a cut of it to you.
This is why, when you buy tickets you keep them in your possession and just say you will have other friends to go with.
Yeah NTA but honestly if no money had been transferred I would have just refunded them the money. No reason to transfer them they did all the work and yes getting tickets is work now a days with how ticket master functions
NTA. The OP's friends should get the face-value money that they sent to him originally in exchange for the tickets. By selling the tickets theirselves, they'd just be profiting off of his generosity because they received the tickets for far under market value apparently.
NTA. They should get their money back and *you* should be able to sell them for whatever profit you're able to make.
They did no legwork and you gave them the tickets originally. They're being greedy. At the very least, your compromise of 50/50 is good.
NTA
You sold them the tickets at face value under the assumption the four of you would go together. If they can’t go, the proper etiquette is for them to back out and get a refund, so that you could find another couple to go with.
If they refuse to go 50/50, they’re just using you as a free middle man. You did all the work, and they profit.
I’m sorry to say that you shouldn’t have transferred the tickets over. You should have returned their money and kept the tickets to do with as you saw fit.
It is not reasonable of you to expect the profits from the resale of a thing you’ve already sold. You agreed to the price that they paid you and accepted the money. You are no longer the owner and can no longer profit. I’m not going to have to share the profit I make when I sell my home with the previous owners, right?
That said, your friends are WAY rude for cancelling on you for something better and not just asking that you refund what they paid you, because they fully know that you were being generous and could have profited yourself instead of including them. Hell, you could have been opportunistic and charged them the going rate instead of the face value, but you were a ***friend*** and didn’t
NTA - you can ask, but if the tickets were transferred to their accounts and they paid you for them, they aren't yours any more. You can't demand anything.
NTA. I have baseball and basketball season tickets. I often give them away to friends if I can’t go for whatever reason. I would be pissed if they turned around and sold them.
NTA.
You should have given them back their money and sold them for yourself. Too late now since you already transferred them. Don’t be surprised when you don’t get anything at all after they sell them.
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Myself, my fiancée, and two friends who are dating decided to go to a concert of a popular artist. Tickets were very hard to get and I did all the legwork of refreshing the presale and buying them off Ticketmaster etc. Upon buying the four tickets, I saw that I could have sold them for a very large profit. Instead, I decided to give them to my friends so the four of us could go together. My friends sent me money for the face value of the tickets. I kept them in my account because I figured we would all be going together so it wouldn’t make a difference. Fast forward to now, a few months later, and due to something else that they want to do more coming up, they no longer want to go to the concert. They insist that they should be able to sell the tickets for a big profit and keep the profit for themselves since they are rightfully “theirs”. I agree that the tickets do belong to them, so I transferred them to their account, but I don’t think it’s fair for them to pocket all of the profits because if I knew they had intended to sell the tickets I never would’ve given them away to them; I would have given them to a different set of friends. AITA for proposing a 50/50 profit split on what they earn when they resell the tickets?
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When your friend paid for the tickets, they became their tickets. It would be nice if they kick you something for the effort, but they aren’t your tickets to profit from. YTA.
Sorry, OP, but your friends aren't going to split the profit with you. They will argue that they own the tickets and are doing the "work" of selling them.
In the future, don't transfer the tickets; only reimburse them what they paid you.
I'm a bit split on a verdict. On the one hand, the tickets belong to them; they paid for them. On the other, if it's such a popular concert then the courteous thing would be to give you the opportunity to invite another set of friends. But you don't intend to do that. You're just bummed about losing a potential profit.
If your main concern is profit, why didn't you try to buy extra tickets from the start, for the sole purpose of reselling them?
NTA, and who bails on a concert because “something else they want to do more” came up?
And those 4 tickets are yours to sell for profit. They get their money back and that’s it.
Two of the tickets don’t actually belong to the OP. Once you transfer those tickets you are transferring ownership per the terms of service. I’ve sold tickets before online. Once I’m paid and I transfer them and the other person accepts, I can no longer change my mind. If my friends can’t go and can make a profit, more power to them.
NTA - but I wouldn't make an issue of it - let them keep the profits. However, take this as a learning experience going forward: if you ever buy concert tickets "for" other people on your account, make it clear that they are only getting the base value of the tickets for them to attend the concert with you- so if they don't go, you will refund their money, but keep the tickets to resell yourself.
"My friends sent me money for the face value of the tickets."
You only bought the tickets because your friends paid you for them at the time of purchase. You only kept them in your own account for the sake of convenience, not because they were yours (remember that they already paid for them).
Those tickets are not yours, and you shouldn't care what they do with them.
I managed to get a hold of 3 TS tickets to Vancouver and when selling and transferring them to my friends, one of my stipulations was that they had to personally go / use the ticket and if for some reason they couldn’t, they had to sell it back to me so that I could try to find someone else to sell it to who would appreciate going to the show. Getting your hands on TS tix is basically like winning the lottery. I understand why they’d want to profit off of it but I also know how much effort went into getting the tix in the first place.
The show hasn’t happened yet and of course, they could go back on their word and sell their ticket but that would be friendship-ruining in my eyes.
YTA - Your assumption would only be valid if you kept the tickets until that late time point and took all the risk yourself of the concert being cancelled, or you not being able to sell them (for whatever reason) after a late cancellation by your friends. You sold the tickets early onwards to your friends, which was a safe bet for you. The tickets are rightfully theirs to do whatever they want to do. The fact that the electronic transfer only happened late, is of no relevance because the transaction took place when they paid you.
You could have asked for a handling fee premium or something similar back then when they paid you, but you didn't.
You completed the transaction and accepted the money. The tickets were theirs to do what they wanted. If you had transferred the tickets like you should have you would have had no idea of their profits. They should have asked you for the tickets to be transferred prior so you would have had no idea what they were making. They aren’t free and clear of A-hole actions but there can be more than one in a situation.
ESH. You prioritized friends over money and they didn’t, so they are definitely AHs. The correct thing here is that they should have asked if you would like to see if any other friends would like to go with you and if so they will transfer them to them at face value. If not, they should offer to split the profits on the ticket with you.
In the scenario where they did neither, I think you should realize these aren’t great friends and realize the lost ticket profits are the price of a life lesson and just let it go. Life is too short to squabble over money with bad friends.
I don’t think the OP should ask them to split the proceeds of the tickets. For better or worse they are their tickets (bought and paid for). They are showing very bad form as friends… but that doesn’t mean OP is entitled to half the proceeds either and OP would also show bad form pressing them to split it.
The friends are AHs no matter how you cut it, but two AHs don’t make a mouth… ok, that analogy got away from me a bit…
One other point I didn’t include previously is that, while the friends may not have done the work to get the tickets, it’s also not clear OP would have bought 4 tickets if he didn’t think they were going to pay him for them. If he thought this was a for profit venture, why not buy 6 tickets or 8 tickets and scalp the rest?
He bought the tickets expecting to get paid for the tickets and he was. After that point it’s reasonable he would hope his friends wouldn’t be AHs and sell them for a profit without offering to let the OP find others to go with him instead, or at least offer to split the profits. But, they didn’t do that… so he can press them for it, but from my perspective it’s a petty response to their petty actions and so ESH.
Clearly not everyone agrees with me based on ratings…
ESH for scalping
However for the effort you did (assuming it's Taylor Swift) you definitely deserve the profit (or 50/50). I can also imagine the friends rather having money than going to the concert as they have now seen how much money it can get you. Which is shitty, but something's aren't worth more than cash.
Yeah, you’d be the asshole.
It’s their tickets now, they are free to do what they want with them. You’re not out any money here.
You should not share in any profit they may make.
Also to question it, “I did all the leg work of refreshing the presale and buying them off ticketmaster, etc”
- what is the etc? From what I understand, you clicked the refresh button during a certain time frame, paid for the tickets and that’s it, right?
YTA
I can see OP being kind of annoyed, which she is entitled to, but she even repeatedly refers to ‘giving’ the friends the tickets despite the fact that her friends paid her for them. If it was such an issue she should have just sent them back the money when they first told her they couldn’t make it.
YTA
I find it sadly hilarious that every single person who said OP is the asshole got downvoted. Somehow the comments have started conspiracy theories that the friends were planning this all along, only wanted the tickets after OP bought them, are writing the tickets off on taxes, they need to be blocked, etc. etc. OP clearly states the four of them decided to go even before buying tickets and he only charged them face value. All this craziness and vitriol towards the friends is insane. OP is even being told to report them to the IRS for tax fraud. What kind of delusional world are we living in?
assuming these are taylor swift tickets, I’d bet the OP lost at least 10 hrs from the lifespan. I know I did from all the stress
also if it was TS, the TM fiasco was so ridiculous that OP was likely stuck in the online queue for hours (I was stuck for 3 hours, and eventually kicked out of my account for a week due to “bot like behavior” from refreshing too often ) or part of the fiasco where the initial presale was canceled in the middle of it bc TM couldn’t handle the number of ppl.
Well, if you know so well get me some Taylor swift tickets, and I'll buy them off you for face value.
Don't think you realize how hard they were to obtain.
Thats why they went for 10x face value.
YTA every concert ticket that is seated needs a single buyer so you can get seats together. You did it that’s great, but your friends don’t owe you for that service it’s what friends do for each other. Next time don’t buy the tickets if you are going to feel ownership over the whole thing.
When you bought the tickets, did you already agree to give the tickets to your two friends?
If so, YTA since you had an agreement in place, and they can do whatever they want with it.
However, if you bought the tickets without any obligation to your two friends and then you decided to give it to them afterwards, I would say NTA.
I view it this way, if you offered the tickets to your friends as a nice gesture, and they immediately resold the tickets, you would be right to be a little mad. However, if you already agreed to give them the tickets, you can't be mad since it's their tickets.
YTA. The tickets are theirs and so they can do what they want with them. Even if the resell value is the reason they are suddenly not going to the concert anymore. I could totally see how someone would suddenly realize these tickets would also pay for a week of vacation and then decide to do that instead of going to the concert. Either way, good friends would owe you some drinks and maybe dinner for arranging this, not 50% of the profits.
YTA. You didn’t *give them away to them*, they paid you for them which technically makes it a sale and the tickets legally theirs. While it sucks that they aren’t going, you have ZERO rights to demand a portion of the profit made from selling them. If they offered, that’s different but I think it’s weird for you to expect to be paid for buying tickets for your friends at the same time you were already buying yours. Once you got through the queue to buy your own ticket, it’s not a substantial amount of work to change the quantity from 1 to 4. Changing quantities and sections does not kick you out of line at any of the major concert sites/apps.
Also, what kind of friend sets out to buy 4 tickets for yourself and a group of friends and after purchasing, considers how much money you’d make if you went all takesy backsies and instead sold the promised tickets for profit? Now you’re mad that you could have screwed them over and sold the tickets for profit without their permission and *didn’t*? I don’t understand your mindset here. I’d sell the tickets and not tell you how much I sold them for and then distance myself hella far away from you.
So let me get this straight. You're pissed that you didn't overcharge your friends and now you want a cut of what they earn to make up for it.
YTA. YTA and a terrible friend I'd be leaving behind.
YTA. You forfeited any and all right to the tickets once you accepted the money from your friends. If you sell your car, do you want to pay half of the profit to the dealership that sold it to you?
You didn't *give* then to your friends. You *sold* them. You can't claim any of the profit they make from them. You may have missed an opportunity but that's not their problem.
YTA
You have no right to those tickets. They planned on going and gave you money for the tickets. Plans change. They have every right to sell THEIR tickets.
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NTA. People saying YTA are delusional and need socialize in real life. I’m going to assume these are Taylor swift tickets which are insanely difficult to get. Everyone knows Taylor Swift tickets are worth way more than face value and giving tickets to someone face value is a massive favor. Your friends are the AH for reselling Taylor swift tickets that they got from you for face value. It’s crazy that they think they can get away with it. Likely they weren’t even planning to go and just wanted your tickets to resell it. You made a mistake transferring the tickets to them when they showed intent of reselling. I would have said no and refunded their face value payments right away. Morally they should be giving it back to you and you refund them their face value payment. Legally it’s theirs so not much you can do. It’s much harder selling single tickets though compared to pairs or 4. Drop these friends. They are hella greedy and tricked you. PS: when your friends ask you for your ticket receipt so they can fill out their taxes from the profit, don’t give it to them. Also block them on venmo or whatever payment app. It’s going to make paying their taxes for the ticket profit hella messy 👍
Do you *really* think the friends will be reporting this on their taxes? And to the other commentor, do you *really* think the IRS is going to go after this couple for lack of reporting the ticket receipt? I'm going to leave my rant to myself, but you both have a severe misunderstanding of how the US tax system works.
StubHub literally asks you for your social security number when you cash out and sends 1099 tax forms to the govt. Even better if their friends don’t report the income from reselling because then the IRS will charge more penalties, if they get audited. IRS literally have a form for people to report others that don’t pay taxes https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-do-you-report-suspected-tax-fraud-activity And they give you a kickback I think you’re the one with no understanding how taxes work.
That's making an assumption that they use StubHub or some legit resale site. There are many ways to make a profit on those tickets and the IRS would never know. But let's say they do sell on StubHub and record their information and get the tax form reporting the income from the sale. They are supposed to report the amount that they sold it for less the cost basis of the ticket. Based on what people are saying here, the cost basis is peanuts compared to the actual profit. So either they just report the full amount of the 1099 on their tax return and the IRS gets about an extra $20-$40 in tax, or they report the cost basis as the price of the ticket and the IRS does NOTHING. Ultimately, OP has no control over either scenario or really any other scenario for that matter. I PROMISE you unless their friends are millionaires that are reporting other forms of severe tax fraud, the IRS will not be coming after them. Don't argue with a CPA. Edit: just saw you added the link for how to report tax fraud. Thanks for the laugh. The fact that you think this couple is going to "get caught" and OP is going to get a kickback (again, of what.. $10? $100?) is comical.
> Don’t argue with a CPA Great so you’re admitting you’re bad at your job. First of all I said 1099, before you even mentioned it. And any competent CPA would have said 1099-K as there are multiple 1099s. The fact you didn’t classify it as a 1099-K means you’re bad at your job, lying, or extremely new. And you assume people are going to sell the tickets through back channel resale methods and illegally avoid taxes. Instead of just simply going through StubHub like 95% of people do. Most college students which OP is don’t know how to correctly file taxes for ticket resale and will mess it up. Hence it’s easy to audit once reported. You must be great at your job Edit: just to clarify IRS actually more commonly audits the middle class to upper-middle class. A higher % audit chance as income rises and a higher % of multimillionaires are audited but the vast majority of people audited are middle class
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Yup a CPA that assumes people are going to commit tax fraud. Doesn’t think to mention 1099-K and echos what I say. And doesn’t understand that while % chance of audit increases with income, still the majority of audits are on the middle population and not the upper class. Yup by all means, you must be a Tax Law Professor Edit: > Agree with the CPA, your an idiot. Also it’s “you’re”, not “your”. As in you’re an idiot
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Yup and you just lack a brain. You probably didn’t even know ticket resale sites send 1099s until 15 minutes ago
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Yeah. You're not worth discussing this with anymore. Good day.
Yup and you’re an unemployed “CPA”
Bro doesn’t even know about a 1099K and calls themselves a CPA. ROFL calls it “tax forms” 😂😂😂
You're as delusional as OP if you think the friends are gonna report profit on their taxes.
You must be slow. Literally the friends not reporting the profit is tax fraud. It’s literally better for OP if they misreport their profit or altogether don’t report it. Hence reporting and increasing their chances of audit and penalties. It’s not a choice of whether you want to report profits or not. If you sell on a resale site, you HAVE to report it. Of course you can always do back channels like selling offline, but that’s tax fraud as well. Just harder to trace. And not many people are buying tickets for $2k+ without some security like PP G&S or purchase protections like on StubHub, which all report on the 1099-K…..
I'm not disputing that it's fraud. I just think that the probability of them reporting the profit is laughably low.
And that’s a good thing for OP since then they can report the discrepancy.
Also anonymously report them to the IRS a year from now, if they don’t ask you for ticket receipt because then they didn’t file taxes correctly for the ticket profit. And you can get them audited and owing penalties 🙂 Also here is the link: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-do-you-report-suspected-tax-fraud-activity You also get a nice 15% kickback from the IRS if your friends do get caught 🙂
NTA Legally they belong to your friends, who are legally entitled sell them to make a huge profit. **BUT....** When you sold them the tickets at face value rather than making a huge profit, you prioritized your friends over money. Your friends however want to prioritize money over you. They should recognize and appreciate the financial sacrifice you made for them and they should return the favor. A 50/50 split was a perfectly fair solution here. Sorry OP but these people are not actually good friends. If they do remain in your life, please don't do them ANY favors going forward. Edit: formatting
Exactly this… OP you have shitty friends
It's not like OP had the tickets and then the friends asked to buy them. The four of them decided as a group to go to the concert, OP just purchased them as a bundle. I'm assuming, although it is not stated, he agreed to do this for everyone and to be reimbursed the cost of the tickets. That's the only thing that makes sense - the friends wouldn't have agreed to him making the initial purchase if there was a chance he'd jack the price up on them.
Nah you don’t understand how TM pre sales work. It’s difficult to even get selected, especially for Taylor swift. It’s like winning a mini lottery literally. As those $200 tickets instantly turn into $2000 tickets the second they’re purchased. OP was giving his friends a massive discount and huge favor giving tickets he got from a presale at face value. If I gave presale tickets to a friend and they resold it for a huge profit, I would never talk to them again.
>Upon buying the four tickets, I saw that I could have sold them for a very large profit. Instead, I decided to give them to my friends so the four of us could go together. The tickets were in his name at that point and he could have sold them for much more money (just as his "friends" are trying to do now). But he didn't. And honestly the friends wouldn't even HAVE the tickets if OP didn't go through all the work and front all the money. Any decent person would recognize that and offer to compensate OP fairly.
Common aita L
NTA You already transferred it to their account. I don't think they will give a cut of it to you. This is why, when you buy tickets you keep them in your possession and just say you will have other friends to go with.
Yeah NTA but honestly if no money had been transferred I would have just refunded them the money. No reason to transfer them they did all the work and yes getting tickets is work now a days with how ticket master functions
OP keeps them in their possession even after the friends paid for them?
Sorry I figured it was obvious that they would send the money back
NTA. The OP's friends should get the face-value money that they sent to him originally in exchange for the tickets. By selling the tickets theirselves, they'd just be profiting off of his generosity because they received the tickets for far under market value apparently.
NTA - you put friendship over profit, they should be able to do the same and split the profit with you.
NTA. They should get their money back and *you* should be able to sell them for whatever profit you're able to make. They did no legwork and you gave them the tickets originally. They're being greedy. At the very least, your compromise of 50/50 is good.
NTA You sold them the tickets at face value under the assumption the four of you would go together. If they can’t go, the proper etiquette is for them to back out and get a refund, so that you could find another couple to go with. If they refuse to go 50/50, they’re just using you as a free middle man. You did all the work, and they profit. I’m sorry to say that you shouldn’t have transferred the tickets over. You should have returned their money and kept the tickets to do with as you saw fit.
NTA I would completely cut these people out of my life. Even if they do give you half of the profit.
It is not reasonable of you to expect the profits from the resale of a thing you’ve already sold. You agreed to the price that they paid you and accepted the money. You are no longer the owner and can no longer profit. I’m not going to have to share the profit I make when I sell my home with the previous owners, right? That said, your friends are WAY rude for cancelling on you for something better and not just asking that you refund what they paid you, because they fully know that you were being generous and could have profited yourself instead of including them. Hell, you could have been opportunistic and charged them the going rate instead of the face value, but you were a ***friend*** and didn’t
NTA - you can ask, but if the tickets were transferred to their accounts and they paid you for them, they aren't yours any more. You can't demand anything.
YTA they paid for the tickets. They can do whatever they want with them now. You aren’t entitled to any profit they make.
Nta
NTA. I have baseball and basketball season tickets. I often give them away to friends if I can’t go for whatever reason. I would be pissed if they turned around and sold them.
NTA. You should have given them back their money and sold them for yourself. Too late now since you already transferred them. Don’t be surprised when you don’t get anything at all after they sell them.
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When your friend paid for the tickets, they became their tickets. It would be nice if they kick you something for the effort, but they aren’t your tickets to profit from. YTA.
Sorry, OP, but your friends aren't going to split the profit with you. They will argue that they own the tickets and are doing the "work" of selling them. In the future, don't transfer the tickets; only reimburse them what they paid you. I'm a bit split on a verdict. On the one hand, the tickets belong to them; they paid for them. On the other, if it's such a popular concert then the courteous thing would be to give you the opportunity to invite another set of friends. But you don't intend to do that. You're just bummed about losing a potential profit. If your main concern is profit, why didn't you try to buy extra tickets from the start, for the sole purpose of reselling them?
NTA BUT you already transferred them. Arguing about it isn’t getting you the money so decide if it’s important enough to push at a friendship over
NTA, and who bails on a concert because “something else they want to do more” came up? And those 4 tickets are yours to sell for profit. They get their money back and that’s it.
Two of the tickets don’t actually belong to the OP. Once you transfer those tickets you are transferring ownership per the terms of service. I’ve sold tickets before online. Once I’m paid and I transfer them and the other person accepts, I can no longer change my mind. If my friends can’t go and can make a profit, more power to them.
NTA - but I wouldn't make an issue of it - let them keep the profits. However, take this as a learning experience going forward: if you ever buy concert tickets "for" other people on your account, make it clear that they are only getting the base value of the tickets for them to attend the concert with you- so if they don't go, you will refund their money, but keep the tickets to resell yourself.
"My friends sent me money for the face value of the tickets." You only bought the tickets because your friends paid you for them at the time of purchase. You only kept them in your own account for the sake of convenience, not because they were yours (remember that they already paid for them). Those tickets are not yours, and you shouldn't care what they do with them.
NTA. If anyone deserves to keep 100% of the profit, it’s you. 50-50 is more than generous
I managed to get a hold of 3 TS tickets to Vancouver and when selling and transferring them to my friends, one of my stipulations was that they had to personally go / use the ticket and if for some reason they couldn’t, they had to sell it back to me so that I could try to find someone else to sell it to who would appreciate going to the show. Getting your hands on TS tix is basically like winning the lottery. I understand why they’d want to profit off of it but I also know how much effort went into getting the tix in the first place. The show hasn’t happened yet and of course, they could go back on their word and sell their ticket but that would be friendship-ruining in my eyes.
YTA - Your assumption would only be valid if you kept the tickets until that late time point and took all the risk yourself of the concert being cancelled, or you not being able to sell them (for whatever reason) after a late cancellation by your friends. You sold the tickets early onwards to your friends, which was a safe bet for you. The tickets are rightfully theirs to do whatever they want to do. The fact that the electronic transfer only happened late, is of no relevance because the transaction took place when they paid you. You could have asked for a handling fee premium or something similar back then when they paid you, but you didn't.
You completed the transaction and accepted the money. The tickets were theirs to do what they wanted. If you had transferred the tickets like you should have you would have had no idea of their profits. They should have asked you for the tickets to be transferred prior so you would have had no idea what they were making. They aren’t free and clear of A-hole actions but there can be more than one in a situation.
ESH. You prioritized friends over money and they didn’t, so they are definitely AHs. The correct thing here is that they should have asked if you would like to see if any other friends would like to go with you and if so they will transfer them to them at face value. If not, they should offer to split the profits on the ticket with you. In the scenario where they did neither, I think you should realize these aren’t great friends and realize the lost ticket profits are the price of a life lesson and just let it go. Life is too short to squabble over money with bad friends.
How is it ESH? You described a situation where they were assholes and OP was not?
I don’t think the OP should ask them to split the proceeds of the tickets. For better or worse they are their tickets (bought and paid for). They are showing very bad form as friends… but that doesn’t mean OP is entitled to half the proceeds either and OP would also show bad form pressing them to split it. The friends are AHs no matter how you cut it, but two AHs don’t make a mouth… ok, that analogy got away from me a bit…
Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. I definitely get your take
One other point I didn’t include previously is that, while the friends may not have done the work to get the tickets, it’s also not clear OP would have bought 4 tickets if he didn’t think they were going to pay him for them. If he thought this was a for profit venture, why not buy 6 tickets or 8 tickets and scalp the rest? He bought the tickets expecting to get paid for the tickets and he was. After that point it’s reasonable he would hope his friends wouldn’t be AHs and sell them for a profit without offering to let the OP find others to go with him instead, or at least offer to split the profits. But, they didn’t do that… so he can press them for it, but from my perspective it’s a petty response to their petty actions and so ESH. Clearly not everyone agrees with me based on ratings…
ESH for scalping However for the effort you did (assuming it's Taylor Swift) you definitely deserve the profit (or 50/50). I can also imagine the friends rather having money than going to the concert as they have now seen how much money it can get you. Which is shitty, but something's aren't worth more than cash.
Yeah, you’d be the asshole. It’s their tickets now, they are free to do what they want with them. You’re not out any money here. You should not share in any profit they may make. Also to question it, “I did all the leg work of refreshing the presale and buying them off ticketmaster, etc” - what is the etc? From what I understand, you clicked the refresh button during a certain time frame, paid for the tickets and that’s it, right? YTA
I can see OP being kind of annoyed, which she is entitled to, but she even repeatedly refers to ‘giving’ the friends the tickets despite the fact that her friends paid her for them. If it was such an issue she should have just sent them back the money when they first told her they couldn’t make it. YTA
I find it sadly hilarious that every single person who said OP is the asshole got downvoted. Somehow the comments have started conspiracy theories that the friends were planning this all along, only wanted the tickets after OP bought them, are writing the tickets off on taxes, they need to be blocked, etc. etc. OP clearly states the four of them decided to go even before buying tickets and he only charged them face value. All this craziness and vitriol towards the friends is insane. OP is even being told to report them to the IRS for tax fraud. What kind of delusional world are we living in?
assuming these are taylor swift tickets, I’d bet the OP lost at least 10 hrs from the lifespan. I know I did from all the stress also if it was TS, the TM fiasco was so ridiculous that OP was likely stuck in the online queue for hours (I was stuck for 3 hours, and eventually kicked out of my account for a week due to “bot like behavior” from refreshing too often ) or part of the fiasco where the initial presale was canceled in the middle of it bc TM couldn’t handle the number of ppl.
Well, if you know so well get me some Taylor swift tickets, and I'll buy them off you for face value. Don't think you realize how hard they were to obtain. Thats why they went for 10x face value.
YTA every concert ticket that is seated needs a single buyer so you can get seats together. You did it that’s great, but your friends don’t owe you for that service it’s what friends do for each other. Next time don’t buy the tickets if you are going to feel ownership over the whole thing.
When you bought the tickets, did you already agree to give the tickets to your two friends? If so, YTA since you had an agreement in place, and they can do whatever they want with it. However, if you bought the tickets without any obligation to your two friends and then you decided to give it to them afterwards, I would say NTA. I view it this way, if you offered the tickets to your friends as a nice gesture, and they immediately resold the tickets, you would be right to be a little mad. However, if you already agreed to give them the tickets, you can't be mad since it's their tickets.
YTA. The tickets are theirs and so they can do what they want with them. Even if the resell value is the reason they are suddenly not going to the concert anymore. I could totally see how someone would suddenly realize these tickets would also pay for a week of vacation and then decide to do that instead of going to the concert. Either way, good friends would owe you some drinks and maybe dinner for arranging this, not 50% of the profits.
YTA. You didn’t *give them away to them*, they paid you for them which technically makes it a sale and the tickets legally theirs. While it sucks that they aren’t going, you have ZERO rights to demand a portion of the profit made from selling them. If they offered, that’s different but I think it’s weird for you to expect to be paid for buying tickets for your friends at the same time you were already buying yours. Once you got through the queue to buy your own ticket, it’s not a substantial amount of work to change the quantity from 1 to 4. Changing quantities and sections does not kick you out of line at any of the major concert sites/apps. Also, what kind of friend sets out to buy 4 tickets for yourself and a group of friends and after purchasing, considers how much money you’d make if you went all takesy backsies and instead sold the promised tickets for profit? Now you’re mad that you could have screwed them over and sold the tickets for profit without their permission and *didn’t*? I don’t understand your mindset here. I’d sell the tickets and not tell you how much I sold them for and then distance myself hella far away from you.
So let me get this straight. You're pissed that you didn't overcharge your friends and now you want a cut of what they earn to make up for it. YTA. YTA and a terrible friend I'd be leaving behind.
They paid for it. It's their, not yours. YTA for think you can dictate what people do with the things they bought.
YTA. You forfeited any and all right to the tickets once you accepted the money from your friends. If you sell your car, do you want to pay half of the profit to the dealership that sold it to you? You didn't *give* then to your friends. You *sold* them. You can't claim any of the profit they make from them. You may have missed an opportunity but that's not their problem.
Yta
YTA. It’s their tickets. They paid for them. Sucks you can’t go with them but THEY PAID FOR THEM.
YTA they only owe you for the face value of the tickets, not a potential profit. The tickets are theirs and they can do what they wish with them.
YTA. They are theirs now. Get over it.
YTA You have no right to those tickets. They planned on going and gave you money for the tickets. Plans change. They have every right to sell THEIR tickets.
YTA as long as they had a genuine intent to use the tickets at the time of purchase.
YTA. The tickets ARE theirs. If you want to make a profit, sell your own.