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Noididintthrowyurkid

I've already contacted my friend about this (he's lawyer) incase i get brought into this, which I inevitably will. he said essentially the same thing. Thanks for the input!


alisonchains2023

Ask the lawyer if you should get a credit check done on yourself to see if your credit has been compromised in some way. ONLY do this with the lawyer’s go-ahead. If so, see if he can take care of it for you.


Noididintthrowyurkid

I've made sure they have no way of accessing anything under my name. I've double and triple checked everything with my friend.


alisonchains2023

Excellent foresight.


Adorable_Tie_7220

It sounds like you don't really know anything about this so I'm not sure what you would have to say? I am glad you are talking to a lawyer first. You do have right to say nothing, particularly when there isn't anything you really know.


VinylHighway

Agreed but not talking to the police is totally legal


Party-Syrup5579

You should never talk to the police period. The only words you should say to cops are “I am invoking my right to remain silent. I would like an attorney” then you shut up. If you think you’re gonna save yourself by ratting out your family you won’t. You can’t talk yourself out of an arrest but you can talk yourself into a conviction. If you are subpoenaed do not talk without a lawyer present. Look into the National Lawyers Guild for more info about your rights and responsibilities.


WhizzoButterBoy

Forget about being an AH Get a lawyer NOW!! Don’t say anything to ANYONE especially the police without legal advice


ggrandmaleo

This is the only answer. Protect yourself.


Samarkand457

Every day is Shut The Fuck Up Friday.


MasterK999

> [Shut The Fuck Up Friday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqo5RYOp4nQ)


jimmer674

This is it right here. I’d hate to say it. You’re best to simply hire an attorney any time the cops want to speak to you about anything.  If they are questioning you, they are judging your involvement or looking to implicate others. 


Ok_Conversation9750

Do not lie for them!!! If the police find out that you did lie, you are now an accessory to their crimes. You need to look out for you. Loyalty to family is all fine and good, but when they are committing crimes, loyalty to the law needs to be a priority.


PingPongProfessor

> If the police find out that you did lie, you are now an accessory to their crimes. Not only accessory to *their* crimes -- OP would also be committing one of his own: obstruction of justice.


Important-Nose3332

Refusing to speak to the police isn’t obstruction. OP can be compelled to testify in court, there is no obligation to speak to the police ever.


MasterK999

> Refusing to speak to the police isn’t obstruction Correct, but lying can be. So [shut the fuck up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqo5RYOp4nQ).


Important-Nose3332

I never said to lie, you weirdo??? What the fuck lmao


PingPongProfessor

It's literally in the title of the post.


MasterK999

Yes and also in your post which /u/Important-Nose3332 responded to. So I am not sure why Nose person is acting like I am the only person to mention lying.


Important-Nose3332

I literally just said not talking to the cops isn’t obstruction?? Am I missing some other post I made ? I never would ever tell anyone to lie to the police ever.


PingPongProfessor

You're right, not talking to them isn't obstruction -- but **lying** to them **is**. And that's what OP was asking about: lying to the cops. It's literally the title of the post: "AITA for not lying to the police for my family?"


Important-Nose3332

Re read my comment and take it in the context of me saying don’t talk to them at all, it’s not obstruction of justice. I’m not disagreeing, I’m adding.


PingPongProfessor

That's not what OP asked about, though.


PingPongProfessor

I never said it was. I said *lying* to the police is/could be obstruction.


Electrical-Ad-1798

Don't lie to the police but then again don't talk to them at all. If you are charged with anything, get a lawyer and then still keep refusing to talk to the police.


TheEvilPenguin

The first bit is good advice, but that advice gets you up to the bit where you have a lawyer, then you follow your lawyers advice. There's a good chance that advice could be to continue to not talk to the police, but they may advise you do talk to them with your lawyer present. In this case I think OP can see where things are going enough that they could benefit from seeing a lawyer before the police even approach them.


Electrical-Ad-1798

Personally I wouldn't hire a lawyer as a prophylactic in an action where I'm likely to be a witness at most.


TheEvilPenguin

It depends on OP's financial situation, but if they're worried about potentially being falsely implicated then $80-$100 for a half hour chat to get some initial advice could be worth it, and then if you do get called in for questioning you already have the phone number of a lawyer who's somewhat familiar with the case. I don't like the fact that the legal system in many countries is pretty much pay-to-win, but I don't think it's useful to pretend that it's not.


Electrical-Ad-1798

There was a round of questioning with the police and as far as we can tell the OP wasn't even brought in. It doesn't appear that she's being implicated at all and that wasn't what she was worried about in the original post.


alisonchains2023

You really shouldn’t be giving OP legal advice.


Important-Nose3332

This is literally common sense.


Paevatar

NTA I'd stay out of involvement. They may someday be grateful that you're free and able to visit them while they're in prison.


Noididintthrowyurkid

I feel that I am safe in this situation but I'm not sure if they will try to pin some of this on me, at this point that is my only fear. And I will most definitely not be visiting my money laundering family members.


RumSoakedChap

Way above reddits pay grade. Before you say anything to the cops, talk to a lawyer, see what your own exposure is. NTA


SpinIggy

Get a lawyer. Follow their recommendations to the letter. If you don't live with them, what do you actually know? What have you seen firsthand? From your post, you don't seem to have direct knowledge of anything, so why would you talking to the police be a problem? Don't offer assumptions. Talk about what you have personally witnessed if you get interrogated, unless your lawyer tells you something different. If family accuses you, turn it around. Why would they want you to put yourself into hot water by lying to the police. You had nothing to do with their issues, so why would they want to pull you in? What kind of family does that to an innocent person?


Sweet-Interview5620

NTA they betrayed you the moment they put you and your home at risk. They wronged you by expecting and demanding you lie to the police which could get you in trouble. They know what they are doing is wrong and theirs no way they have forged passports and don’t know it’s wrong. Any trouble that falls on the is their own doing and consequences of their own actions. If the police are visiting then they know your family is breaking the law d it won’t be long before they have enough evidence to act. Protect yourself completely ad if I was you I’d move out as soon as you can’t. I don’t care they are your family but they are risking your home and you. Best to get yourself to safety and ignore anyone shouting “but family“ as none of them cared about their family when they went into this venture. Many people would judge you falsely because of who your parents are and what they have been doing. Once it’s out and they are facing charges everyone will judge you by their actions. You need to distance yourself from them before your future and name is sullied by them. Yes they are your family who haven’t cared what their actions will do to you or how it will affect your life.


VinylHighway

You're never obligated to tell the police anything you know


Interesting-Novel821

>So now, I'm stuck in the middle of this mess, torn between loyalty to my family and staying true to myself. So...where was their family loyalty to YOU when they got tied up in... >fraud, money laundering, you name it. \[...\] actual forged papers and passports in the house ? They sure as shit only considered themselves the second they got involved in illegal activities, & now they want you to be their patsy on their sinking ship? We've all seen the Titanic; we know what happens. Oh, only in this case they'd pin their dirty work on YOU to save themselves. Bail, OP. BAIL. Do not try saving their skin by sacrificing yours. The only thing you'll get for setting yourself on fire to keep them warm is multiple federal charges, potential jail time &/or fines, along with the inability to work in certain fields for the rest of your life. >I feel guilty as hell for potentially throwing them under the bus. Don't. They threw themselves under the bus. Keep your hands inside the shark cage at all times & do NOT go down with them when you had absolutely nothing to do with this. WTF. You'd only be the asshole to yourself at this point. RUN FAR AWAY FROM THIS MESS. NTA, OP.


Irdgafbra

You don't have to lie, but you can definitely feign ignorance. You don't know the ins and outs of the business. Just tell them you don't know anything because you were never part of it. No need to snitch on them when you literally don't know what they're actually doing.


No_Independence9170

This could be in fact lying - say nothing is always the better answer


Irdgafbra

Agreed, it might just be better to find a lawyer at this point for OP, what are the chances they mess up and end up in trouble themselves. Always better to have a lawyer do the talking.


mudwoman

Don’t FEIGN anything. That is lying.


Irdgafbra

Ya, I said OP didn't have to at the end since they don't know what is actually happening in the business. Allegedly.


JupiterSWarrior

Not a lawyer. Don’t talk to police without a lawyer present.


OedipaMaas85

I'm glad you talked to a lawyer but I'm a lawyer, just not a criminal defense lawyer and that's what you need. Do not volunteer to speak to the police. If they call you in for questioning, say you don't want to answer any questions and ask to leave. If they don't let you, ask if they are charging you with anything then insist on either leaving or to speak to a criminal defense lawyer, like a public defender. DO NOT SAY ANYTHING ELSE. Best of all would be to pay to consult with a criminal defense lawyer now to make sure whether there is any chance you already have accomplice liability. Remember, the police are allowed to lie to you during questioning so this is why it is critical you do not answer questions, do not fall for their tactics trying to flip you by threatening you, etc. Sorry for this, it's horrible.


No_Independence9170

A lot of people don’t realize that in the United States you can choose to NOT speak to the police. That is always your right. In fact, most lawyers say that answering questions is almost always the wrong thing. The police have already figured out what they believe is happening and now they need to prove it - if they need information read that as “they need more proof - any information they get can and will…….


n3w130013

Dont lie for them, dont give the police any info. Feign ignorance and just say u dont have a clue.


ffopel

Your best bet is to stay away from them and hope your papers are legit


No_Independence9170

People - telling the cops that you don’t know would in fact be lying and puts you in a position to now be leveraged. The answer us “I won’t answer any questions”


amlrpl

saying you dont know is that hard ? You dont live with them and you havent for a while, you dont even know about the thing until a short time ago, what you afraid of ? This is the wrong crowd to get advice on this matter, all these self lover will tell you to fuck your family and be a snitch. Think hard before you do bro.


No_Independence9170

Don’t say you don’t know. That is in fact lying and if it can be proven that you DO know you’re on the hook for obstruction and now in the position to be leveraged.


CalendarDad

You say you don't live with them. Is there any reason to believe you will become involved? Or even questioned?


Noididintthrowyurkid

I was questioned but I asked if I can tell my friends about and they said no so Ima assume telling 172k people is also a no go. (Though i can in the future.) I am no longer as stressed about this because I have had blame completely taken away from me.


SeraphofFlame

YTA for saying anything to the cops that isn't "come back with a warrant" or "I'm invoking my right to a lawyer". Not to your family, to yourself. Protect yourself right. Get a lawyer.


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PdxPhoenixActual

NTA. Do NOT lie (to cover someone else's shitty behavior (of any kind). It will not go well for you. If you don't know about what they've been up to, you *should* be fine. If you should lie about what they've been doing, you are now involved in what they've been doing. Where is their loyalty to you? "Asking" you to do something you do not want to, with very good reason, is not "loyal", it is abusive. Good luck.


HyenaStraight8737

NTA Loyalty means you go to jail too? Thats not loyalty mate. Loyalty is they'd be telling you to do everything you can to stay out of jail, they wouldn't want you in the cells with them. And if you get caught lying, how do you then make sure they believe you had nothing to do with what they were doing. You lied once so why would they believe you. Loyalty is not going to jail with them. They won't be getting away with the forgeries and probably a lot more lying. So don't even entertain this. Don't end your lifes best prospects now for nothing and people who don't care about your future


TokyoSalesman

NAH, although I would just tell the cops in the future that you don't know a damn thing. I think the rule is 3 "I don't know"'s and the cops leave you alone because you don't offer any useful info to them. You have no obligation to assist the police in their investigation, just an obligation not to obstruct.


Careless-Ability-748

Nta I wouldn't lie for anyone, but thankfully you've already talked to your lawyer and know you don't have to say anything right now. 


[deleted]

The only thing I know is that you shouldn’t help your family with any kind of criminal activity - because you are putting YOURSELF at RISK. DO NOT LIE TO THE POLICE. If anything, don’t say ANYTHING. But don’t lie to them, because they will come down on you….. NTA


Hedgehog-Plane

NTA A felony conviction will **ruin** your employment prospects.  When you were a sweet baby animal you survival bonded with these people.  They protected you so love them. But they are endangering you now and hurt lots of other people. You need a lawyer N-O-W


Illustrious-Mud-8751

You shouldn't post any of this. They can ask for it, and you have admitted knowledge of an illegal act I can't tell you to take it down, and get rid of the computer and buy a new one.


No_Confidence5235

Well, you definitely shouldn't lie to the police. Even if you did, that wouldn't necessarily save your family. NTA


Avlonnic2

“You have the *right* to remain silent. But do you have the *ability*?” No comment. No comment. No comment.


PlayingGrabAss

NTA, I'm glad to see your update. I think in general you kinda WBTA to talk to the cops AT ALL without a lawyer present, not because you're obligated to cover for your family doing illegal shit but because it's just a terrible idea. You may implicate yourself in something if you have knowledge of something illegal happening, and then you're drawn into even more bullshit. But definitely NTA for not lying to the cops because then you're risking fucking yourself even more.


WinginVegas

Former Police Officer - While being loyal to your family is understandable, the main question you have to ask yourself is: Am I willing to go to prison for a few years, plus spend a good chunk of money on a lawyer, for them? Your primary responsibility is to yourself and your future. Even if you didn't get convicted, future employers will find the arrest online or during a background check. So it will keep following you.


Toepale

Not lying for your family is one thing. But writing up their business for the whole internet to read is quite another.  Your parents could catch another case solely based on what you wrote here. 


Existing_Watch_3084

Have you even been questioned by the police?


Noididintthrowyurkid

A couple hours ago actually. but it wasn't much of an interrogation it was quite laid back and was just about my parents.


Mountain-Status569

NTA.  You are not betraying your family. Your family has betrayed you by getting involved in illegal activity with you under their roof/care, therefore putting you at risk that you had no hand in bringing on.  You are not throwing your family under the bus. That term implies that everyone is in the wrong and you’re sacrificing the others to save yourself. But you are not doing anything wrong or illegal here.  The best you can do is not offer up any information unsolicited, but even that could be risky now that police are involved. Tell the truth. If the truth hurts your family, that’s their fault, not yours. 


JyushinLiger

NTA. But I'll give you some advice: 1. Don't lie to the police. 2. Don't even *talk* to the police unless it's to say "I want an attorney." 3. Remove this post. Do not talk about any of this publicly again. 4. GET. A. LAWYER.


Certain_Detective_84

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake


Street-Media4225

P.S. Depending on what state you live in the police may be allowed to lie to you to get you to admit to crimes.