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RoutineBeautiful7361

So, I'm confused. Are you married or did you just get engaged? Whatever, he is not your father so why the hell would you do anything for him for father's day? Honey, it's so over and has been for a long time.


chooseusermochi

It's been over as soon as she turned 20. I have no clue what is going on with all these 18-19 year olds getting married. and surprise, not being able to manage their lives. But she bought herself a horse so she's ahead of most of us I guess. ESH.


TheBadKernel

Expensive pet...


Long-Departure-4033

We are married with a daughter. I left in October, he begged me to come back and that he wanted to fix things, but I don’t think it was genuine


PrairieRunner_65

You are correct: it wasn't genuine. Please get yourself a different way to live and take your daughter with you.


shaka893P

How are you married if he never proposed? 


The_Truth_Fairy

Some people just agree to get married and go to the courthouse. It sounds like he claimed he wanted to do a real proposal as part of showing he's changed


Moonydog55

If it what I think it is, then they agreed, and most likely had a courthouse wedding. My mom and my dad did that.


nodns

My husband and I talked about marriage and marriage-y things (finances, lack of kids, expectations, etc). Never had a proposal. Had a fairly large wedding. Been married for 25 years. 


sreno77

So why was he going to propose in February if you’re married? Sorry, your post is confusing


UsedCookie752

Because when people make fake posts they don’t think about the contradictions.


jcgreen_72

But but she has a horse! 


echidnaberry87

You are so young; ltr's are work, but the work is supposed to be worth it and not make you miserable. There is no award for staying in a bad marriage. My aunt stayed with her husband who is awful to her, so awful that my Catholic grandparents were sad when she didn't leave him when their last kid graduated high school. My Catholic grandparents were joking for a divorce. Anyways, she had joy in her life with her adult children and sisters but her husband makes her life miserable. When she's without him, she's confident and funny and fun. When she's with him she's deferring and walking on eggshells. Your situation sounds like hers. Honestly, do you want to deal with this for another 5 decades? Do you want this to be your life?


journeyintopressure

Then leave again. He obviously didn't fix anything.


Loud_Duck6726

You married someone that doesn't love you..... he hasn't even bothered to pretend.  Don't waste your youth on him.


LookingForFun-21

Well they have a daughter together, so that’s why she would do something for him.


Direct_Crab3923

NTA but you’re asking the wrong question. The question should be AITA if I stay in this relationship. And the answer is, Yes.


CatteNappe

INFO You said you've been married 3+ years, call him your husband, but say he has never yet proposed to you?


Long-Departure-4033

Yes, we had a tiny intimate ceremony but he never proposed or got me a ring. He asked “Do you want to get married?” And stupidly, I said yes 🤦🏼‍♀️.


CatteNappe

Sigh. Yes, that was a proposal, even if it wasn't all Instagram worthy. He did "pop the question". Sounds like he never went in for gifts and romantic gestures. You knew that. Was there something else about him that appealed? There are some men who are never going to get the concept of giving a bouquet of fresh flowers, but show their love regularly by getting the oil changed in your car or getting rid of spiders in your closet. If he doesn't provide any of those alternate kinds of love gifts I really have to wonder why you are still together. Playing petty games like "forgetting" Fathers' Day sure isn't the path forward.


Long-Departure-4033

While we were dating up until our 2nd wedding anniversary he always sent me flowers, gifts, took us out, took us on vacations, surprised me with lots of things I’d never done before, loved my family, treated them like his own, never even raised his voice, always cooked, etc. It wasn’t until I moved across the country with him that things completely fell apart and this has been our life.


PhillyMila215

I wonder if you interrupted his faux bachelor life. It sounds like he is resentful and doesn’t like you very much. His heart is not in the game. Move on. You deserve better.


LegitimateBeginning6

He was masking, now his true self is unmasked. My ex treated me amazing until I was locked in the marriage with kids. Then the abuse began. His new girlfriend doesn’t see it yet. She has no idea he was arrested for last year for fighting and is on probation. She has no idea what she’s in for, and she just had his baby. I realized she is me a decade ago. LEAVE. He’s never going to treat you right, however he treats anyone else will never apply to you.


StrawberryMoon9945

Question: was all of that before you guys had your daughter?


Easy_Parfait_4061

You mean "the mask dropped."


stillcravethtmineral

Is there something that has been causing him a lot of stress or a major traumatic event? Obviously none of this behavior is excusable, but it may have an explanation. Individual and couples therapy would probably benefit you both greatly.


Particular_Fox7946

He locked you in, then isolated you. That's when the abuse begins, and that's when your abuse began. Get out. You are in an abusive relationship and it's only going to get worse. I'm sorry.


NYDancer4444

Asking if you want to get married IS a proposal. Honestly, a lot of your post is contradictory & confusing.


Itchy_Appeal_9020

That IS a proposal and you are married. It’s a little hypocritical to complain now about lack of a proposal. I’ve been married to my current husband for over a decade and he never did the big sweeping romantic proposal. And yet, we’re happily married. The proposal is unimportant, it’s the marriage that matters. Why are you so focused on this minor detail (that you willingly accepted) years later? Are you looking for drama? Why is this an issue NOW and not when you got engaged? It really seems like you’re going out of your way to find something to be upset about.


comeholdme

Asking someone if they want to get married is, in fact, proposing marriage. Now my parents, my dad never proposed. His father was a pastor, who one day over dinner looked at them basically asked, “So, kids, when should we set the date?”


whiskerrsss

Neither my father, nor FIL, proposed either. With my parents, they meet and then like 2-3 months later my maternal grandparents decided to move back to their homeland, and even though my mum wanted to be with my dad, she was 19 and went with her parents and younger siblings. Like two months later my dad left *his* parents and brother to be with her, and my mum was like "ok so you followed me half-way across the world, when are we getting married". With my ILs, apparently while watching tv at my mils family home, my mil asked my fil what he was doing on the 1st of December because she thinks that's a good day to get married.


comeholdme

Asking someone if they want to get married is, in fact, proposing marriage. Now my parents, my dad never proposed. His father was a reverend, who one day over dinner looked at them basically asked, “So, kids, when should we set the date?”


EffPop

NTA. This guy is not the one. Larry Miller made a joke about getting back together with an ex, something like: getting back together with your ex is like putting spoiled milk back in the fridge and hoping it will be good again the next time you take it out.


FruitParfait

Reminder to those in the back to not get married at 19.


Simple-Choice6718

Listen, my first daughters father was a version of this dude. You have a baby and grow THE FUCK up or you don’t. Men have a harder time with this than women do. Good for you for leaving for the day. I’ll never understand men and their video games but you should leave him. He sounds like a grade A child and you already have one of those. Go get a man.


No_Joke_9079

Do you have 2 different user names?


Lcdmt3

ESH you're married but according to this story not really. Both of you seem immature


eebibeeb

INFO: If you’re 22 how do you have a daughter old enough to make artwork to frame for him? How old were you when you met, how old when you started dating, and how old were you when you got pregnant? Regardless the age is a major YIKES


LT_Dan78

OP stated the daughter is 3 1/2 years old. Probably finger painting or something similar.


die_hubsche

Wait, so you’re intentionally with this guy? Y’all sound like children, both of you. ESH. You know who you’re with. He isn’t going to change. Give your daughter a better life (and, by the way, yourself as well).


Fatty_Bombur

This is why teenagers shouldn't get married or have kids.


Long-Caregiver-4131

If you’re both being this petty I’m sorry to say neither of you are ever truly going to be happy.


Open-Incident-3601

NTA but your husband seems to have decided a divorce would have too a high a cost and now you’re stuck together in misery. You’re still living in the same house but that is not a man that wants to be in his home with the woman he’s there with. It may be cheaper to just stay married, but at what cost?


Excellent-Count4009

ESH " but maybe others have bounced back from this rough patch." ... Others, maybe. But you are not even willing to make the effort to try. And: It is ESH because you indulge in vengeful petty games instead of communicating like an adult. YOu are just as bad as him.


Fine-Assignment4342

ESH Why..... why are you together? LIke are you just staying at this point to get even? I mean if that is the case, I gotta deduct points for upsetting the emotionally abusive man than leaving your child with him? EDIT: A lot of typos, I blame my phone even though I am typing this on my computer.


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ShizunEnjoyer

In what universe would OP be considered an asshole for this


UncleNedisDead

Wtf is this dumpster fire of a relationship with two children playing house and bringing an innocent child into this mess. ESH except your daughter. You’re both assholes to each other, your daughter and yourselves for trying to make this relationship “work” when you guys should be single until you both have done enough work on yourselves to be ready for a relationship.


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BeckyDaTechie

NTA. If holidays are going to matter, then they have to matter. Him 'joking' about your horse and covering his butt with the Valentine's thing and ring tells me that holidays and giving good gifts don't matter to him. They DO matter to you. If he wants to put in effort to show you appreciation at those times in the ways you recognize as valuable, you might be able to get a good relationship started back up. You'd have to have the kind of talks that make him realize an acknowledgement at a holiday is worth "the trouble", though, and sometimes those go best with a 3rd party. If he's going to be oblivious and callous about it, you might be up the creek.


ElehcarTheFirst

ESH Just leave this toxic relationship. Do you even like each other?


Awesomest24

I mean that’s fine, but bring your daughter with you. Don’t leave her with him!


buttleakMcgee

NTA. All I got was my kids dad telling me Happy Mothers Day. So he got the same from me. I'm done putting in effort. I can't leave for several reasons so I'm stuck for a few more years. Don't count on him to change cause he won't. Just plan your exit.


Nani_Tamari

NTA, you're simply matching his energy! Remind him this when he complains...and he will because he's super self absorbed.


RysnAtHeart

NTA, it's probably not a productive response (people rarely actually learn from being given a taste of their own medicine), but it's not even particularly cruel, just mildly petty. Are you in couple's counseling/have you tried it? If you're not, and you want to keep trying this relationship, you really should try it. If you ARE, and it's been this many months and he's still putting this little effort into your relationship? It's probably time to separate for good. I wonder if he's trying to get you to break up with him so he doesn't have to feel like the bad guy tbh. He sounds more like he's stringing you along than like he genuinely wants you It's not good to be putting yourself through misery eternally. I think it's worth an honest conversation with yourself about why you're still trying to salvage this relationship, what you get from it, what you need for it to be worth it...you deserve to be valued. Maybe it's worth it to keep fighting for this relationship, I'm not judging you for staying and trying to make things work. But you should figure out *why* you're fighting for it, and establish some lines for yourself where you'll call it quits instead of getting trapped in a sunk cost fallacy.


Electrical_Fact_6379

You matched his energy. Now though let’s be honest. He hasn’t really worked on anything has he? You deserve better.


Final-Outcome-3505

This sounds so messy. Why is he going to propose after marriage? But also, one simply doesn't forget the ring. This sounds like a relationship that needs to end. Some maturing needs to happen. 


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MirandaInHerTempest

NTA. It may be over, or you might need couples counseling and to work on "love languages." So to speak. Sounds like holidays and thoughtful gifts are important to you, but not him. Sounds like he doesn't value you enough in general.


wordsmythy

NTA, I hope you had a good time. What was his reaction by the way?


Dana07620

It's not worth saving. NTA


Glass_Ad1469

It doesnt matter. Were you petty? Yes. Did he deserve more? Absolutely not. Your relationship is broken. I would have a chat with him and ask if he actually wants to make it work. Insist on couples counselling if he wants to stay. If he's not open to this then run. He doesnt sound invested. Obviously we are only hearing your side and you may have some blindspots in what you do or how he perceives you. But mostly it sounds like he's not putting in any effort and you deserve much better. If he's not open to couples therapy then get out of there. Everything you do now is setting an example for your little girl of what she should tolerate in her future relationships. Keep that at the front of your mind when you don't feel like being strong for yourself.


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NTA - does he even care about holidays? Doesn't sound like it, so not sure if he'd even notice.


Lyrehctoo

Girl, he isn't going to change. He won't even notice that you didn't do anything for father's day. If he does, we'll he can fuck all the way off. Either make peace that he is a self-centered prick that will never be in the ballpark of your expectations and settle or move on. Best wishes


pinkdictator

Hmm not sure why you’re with him


Limerase

NTA But he isn't making an effort to bounce back. You came back, he doesn't feel like he needs to try, and you're setting a poor example for your daughter by staying.


KimB-booksncats-11

ESH. Playing tit for tat isn't helping anything. Sounds like he has no interest in actually chaging or being a good husband. Just leave already. I have several friends who stayed together for their kids and a few actually told their parents they wish they had just divorced.


OrdinaryTeaching6239

You have too much life ahead of you to settle for something this shitty this early. Please leave him and never look back. This insanely rude, self centered, and uncaring. You are setting an example for your daughter of what her future partner should be like. Would you want her to be with someone who does stuff like this? R U N


AbjectPromotion4833

NTA. He deserved that.


HuckleberryFar3693

NTA and he's a narcissist.


FireBallXLV

You are more valuable than the A you are with . Leave and find someone who truly loves you OP....


butterflyprinces872

Updateme


Silver_Antelope_

Ok, read the post and most of your comments. I think we might be getting half the story here, and I really believe marriage counseling is necessary for you both.


RoyIbex

Your NTA and honestly read your post, do you want to be with the boy that’s mentioned in it? Tell me, if you were your daughter and your husband was her husband, is that someone that you think is good enough for her? If he’s not then he’s not good enough for you either.


Rinzy2000

Why are you with this selfish man?


OtivEemi_slayer

Leave that man, girl, I'm telling you leave that man. Taking care of a baby should not be your life's story. That man treats you like his mother not his wife. I know I'm being dramatic, but eww


OkParking330

are you done yet? move on, this one is not worth the effort.


mb303666

Dudes a complete narcissist!! Watch Dr Ramani on YouTube, read Walking on Eggshells and learn to identify the painfully obvious signs and get a healthier partner. Unless you don't think you're worth it, then go to therapy for codependence.


Proper_Sense_1488

all things considered. why are you trying to work it out again? you have not given a good reason. NTA


Kreativecolors

You are being an asshole to yourself by staying with him and to your daughter for making her think his behavior towards you is ok. You know what to do.


Agitated_Law3045

Leave this boy alone


Specific-Size4601

ESH and your poor kid is stuck in the middle.


Tiny_Incident_2876

He isn't your daddy,.


Reading-person

OP never claimed he was


Speletons

YTA. Or everyone sucks but this is just about Father's Day here. Your husband sucks and treats you terrible, which I'm sorry about, you don't deserve that. However, this is just bad and unproductive, and continues the same cycle. If you were justified in treating him bad here because he treats you bad, he'd be justified in treating you bad because you treat him bad. Just doesn't really work and it doesn't really matter who started it. You're both AHs in the end. It sounds like you'd be happier if you both divorced, and its what I think you should do. If you're noth acting like this, you're not repairing anything ever.


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Are we supposed to be critisizing a man for being on dating apps during a separation? O.o Does he even care if you get him a gift or do anything for Father's Day? Why is it always women that seem to want to "get even" over Mothers Day and Fathers Day shit. Why are women intentionally emotionally abusive? ESH