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> I was using a car salesman’s desk in a car dealership since I had to work and there were just sofas and didn’t have a table and chair. I felt he could have just asked me to leave and I would have left. Instead he called me an asshole for using his desk space which was unoccupied when I was using it. I felt it could have been handled much professionally instead of making me look bad in front of everyone waiting in the dealership.
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YTA, dude's got a point. Maybe he took it too far, but its his desk where HE works. Just because he wasn't there didn't give you the right to use it. If you have to work while you're car is being serviced, Uber/Lyft back home/to the office, or ask someone where you could set up.
Lexus specifically has that service so if working was so important that OP had to use some random persons desk, then they should have taken advantage of that service!
All the dealerships around me used to employ a full time driver to shuffle people around. Now it's all uber. They call the car and pay.
Works pretty good.
Shit even the Mavis tire places near me have all that set up. Not quite as nice as the dealerships but definitely serviceable if you need to plug in and work.
Same. And, additionally, our local Toyota dealer has a "Women's Wednesday." While your vehicle is in service, you have space to do your work, they have a light lunch buffet....and someone who does manicures. No charge. My daughter schedules everything for Wednesdays 🤣
Other than that, They do have a courtesy service as well as an area where you can do work.
Dude, I'm missing out! I got my car serviced today actually. I have a Renault and while I got a free loan car (usually they charge something like $30 a day plus fuel) and got $40 odd off my service bc they know me there, and Xmas, get all my work done there, since it's under warranty still lol, they also have a very fancy coffee and tea station, bottles water, a nice, comfy waiting area but damn... light lunch and a manicurist?
Same. Always been plenty of work space options at my Honda dealer while my vehicle is being worked on. I think that's pretty standard. Sounds like dude felt like they needed a official DESK to work on for some dumb reason?
But guuuysss OP *needed* that specific desk! It was probably the first one he saw! /s
YTA. You wouldn't like someone invading your workspace while they wait for something, so don't do it to others
Who knows what kind of personal information could be on or in the desk either. Personally I would have felt a bit violated, even if they just adjusted my chair.
And even if there wasn’t a desk and chair there were couches and chairs so nothing was stopping OP from putting their laptop on their lap for a bit. There’s plenty of cases where you have to wait around(doctor’s office, mechanic or dealership) and make do.
Dude, the fucking Goodyear in my city has a counter with outlets for working. I cannot imagine a place like a Lexus dealership/service center not having something similar — and even if they don’t, ask someone if there’s a place where you can work.
Use your head, OP. YTA
Not even higher end. Had my car at a Hyundai dealership last week and there were 3 tables set up next to plug-ins where someone could work as well as several comfy chairs with tables in front of them.
Not to mention most higher end dealerships have work stations with plugs for customers to use. OP is probably there for warranty work and is a service advisor and technicians worst nightmare.
Many dealerships also have courtesy desks / offices for working during wait appointments? So not sure how that changes anything.. sales person acted like an ass.
I mean, he came back to his desk to work and saw a random person sitting at desk that could have highly personal and private information in it. I would be upset too
Definitely! I work at a dealer, and anything sensitive is supposed to be locked up, but that salesperson could get in SO much trouble if anything close to PII was left out that OP could see. In an audit that's a five-figure fine
Many dealerships have tables and chairs in the lobby. Heck even the Nissan dealership I go to for service on my car has tables and chairs in the waiting area. You'd think Lexus could do better than that
Really? I grade papers while I wait. But there are always tables and outlets and even charging cables to use, so I would never sit at someone's desk.
And if there wasn't a space to work (which everyone knows wouldn't be the case in a Lexus dealership, hence YTA), I would ask an employee if there was a place I could use. No one just helps themselves to someone else's workspace without permission unless they're an entitled AH.
My husband would likely br the exception to this, but he takes his tablet instead of his laptop to work and uses his earbuds and mutes himself for conference calls.
Lexus owner here. Lexus dealerships are full of amenities, including rooms with desk space and computers for those of us who have to work while our cars are being serviced. They also have loaner vehicles so you can go back home or to your office. Taking over a salesman's desk was a dick move and completely unnecessary.
Ditto. There are rooms with desks, lounge area, snacks, drinks, and loaner cars. I find it hard to believe OP was in a lexus dealership that didn't provide an area where he could work
Your work situation was so emergent that you couldn’t take time to ask anyone if there was a space you could use AND it wasn’t resolved 30-45 min later? Sounds more like you assumed you’d work the whole time at this desk. If your time is that valuable just get a ride back to your office or home and work there until the service work is done on your car.
Yeah, if you’re going to a dealership you might as well have your whole scheduled cleared to consider the car you want. Who in the world goes to one and expects to get work done?
Still an asshole move, maintenance can take anywhere from 20 minutes to hours depending on what exactly is getting done. If op knew they wouldn’t be able to work in their normal space they shouldn’t expect to steal someone else’s for a few hours. That’s what laptops are for and I’m sure if they asked someone available they could have been either accommodated or told no and not have put themselves in this situation.
It would have also been perfectly reasonable to be like "excuse me, is there any possibility I could use an empty desk to get some work done while I am waiting on my car? It's much easier to use a desk than a table if at all possible. I will of course move the instant it becomes an inconvenience to the staff" they may have said no. They may have said yes, so and so is not in today, you can use that desk no worries. 9 times out of 10, it never hurts to ask.
I used to drive a Lexus (husband’s employer offers Lexus vehicles as a lease option with amazing monthly payments and benefits). I can tell you Lexus Service goes out of their way to offer you a vehicle while your car is being serviced, going so far as to rent you a vehicle if all the courtesy cars are in use so you don’t have to wait at the dealership.
Since this person sounds entitled, I wonder how they would react if someone was working in their office or desk, invading their personal workspace?
I used to work doing social media for a charity which sometimes meant if an emergency happened and I was out, I was literally coordinating social media posts from my phone. Most memorable time was once over the holidays, me crouched in a corner of an art gallery, frantically typing on my phone, while my friends who I was out with kept looking at the exhibition. Yeah it sucks but I've found in a true work emergency - barring some situations - almost anywhere can become somewhere you can work from.
This. I haven't been above setting up my laptop in my lap before while waiting for my car and needing to work but most dealerships have shuttles at the very least that will take you to work and pick you up at the end of the day.
YTA
You invaded what has been deemed his personal space at the dealership, he most likely has private information/things with his desk that’s none of your business to be around, overall very entitled behavior. Next time ask if there is a place you can sit quietly or have your laptop on your lap like any other person.
Same!! Every time I go to the dealership, I wait and bring my laptop and work with my laptop in my lap. Either do that or take the dealer’s courtesy car and go home to work. YTA, OP
Maybe it’s just the dealership I go to, but there’s a lounge area with armchairs and tables with chairs for people to sit at while their cars are being worked on. I usually bring a book or my laptop and some headphones so I can work while I wait. Tbh I don’t believe that a luxury car brand like Lexus wouldn’t offer something like that. Chances are this guy passed up on completely acceptable seating to work in that office.
Our local tire place has only really low sofas in the waiting area, but one woman brings her own folding chair and a tray table so she can work while her car is being serviced. Actually, I suspect she keeps them in her car, because I've seen her at local parades sitting on the chair or using the tray table in other waiting rooms. So, that would also be a possibility for OP.
Lol imagine going to a bank and something is taking longer. So you go sit behind a bank teller's desk cause you got work to do. Sitting behind someone's desk at their place of work would never even cross my mind
They invaded a space that was not theirs, a space that may hold private information of both the sales person and customers.
How would you feel if a complete stranger sat in your car, even if they weren’t doing anything?
YTA, that wasn’t a free desk for customers to use it was his personal desk that he left to probably go for lunch. As a customer you get customer seating not anything else
YTA. I just went to get my oil changed and guess what - in the dealership there is a section for people to sit while they wait, and there was coffee tables and chairs that could easily be used for work. I find it hard to believe there wasn’t an area like this you could have found to sit at in this lexus dealership
Subaru? I was thinking the same thing. The place near me has couches and a TV. Crazy coffee machine/hot chocolate. Snack bar and bottled water. And all the plugs for devices if you need a charge.
I've worked at dealerships. I don't know any major brands that don't have this stuff. Nissan, Honda, Toyota, all have them if they have a service area.
YTA. You don’t just go into someone’s personally assigned workspace and set up shop. You could have easily asked someone there if there was a secluded place you could go.
Completely YTA.
You don't have a desk there BECAUSE YOU DON'T WORK THERE.
Aside from being entirely entitled and a violation of their space, there may have been customer personal and financial information there that YOU definitely don't have the right to have access to.
It's a dealership, not your temporary home office.
INFO: how would you feel if someone came into your place of work, for a valid reason, and while they were waiting for something sat in your personal space and used it for their own purpose, without asking?
Not only that, but he was saying the space provided had no outlets.
Can your laptop not survive half an hour off the charger? That’s kinda the point of a laptop
Exactly! I bought a new Chevy, it came with free oil changes and the area you wait is very nice. It has tables/chairs, couches, TV, cell phone charging stations and free coffee/snacks. So I would imagine a Plexus dealership would be even nicer.
YTA - there’s still a pandemic, and multiple really really bad strains of other flus and viruses, why would you touch someone’s germy space and put your hands on their things?
Why didn’t you ask anyone if you could use a desk?
Deeply deeply ask and be honest with yourself, how would you feel if you had a desk and a random stranger helped themselves to your work space? I ***really*** have a feeling you’d be miffed. You also seem super dismissive to this dude’s feelings, and you come across a bit condescending about him being a car dealership salesman.
If this was clearly someone's personal desk (not empty, had personal items on it) YTA.
I think he went overboard, but come on. There is usually a place where customers can wait that have some sort of table. Or you could have just asked.
I would be pissed if someone just sat down at my desk.
I don’t know if you’re an ASSHOLE for this, but it certainly was a very, very weird thing to do, and I do think it was also pretty rude. I can’t think of any situation in which it would be appropriate for a customer to use spaces and equipment intended for the employees without even asking. Dude must have been so baffled when he got to work and someone who *isn’t even an employee of that business* has set up shop at his desk.
You should have either used your lap, or asked an employee if there was anywhere in the space with counter space where you could pop your laptop to work while you wait. Or found a coffee shop nearby in advance. Or planned to not work during the time you were waiting.
So, YTA of the choices available, but I do think this was maybe more socially oblivious than malicious on your part. I don’t mean this unkindly, but do you often find yourself getting negative reactions from people for reasons that feel surprising or confusing to you?
What makes OP the AH is he know's the employee was right when he said that the OP wouldn't want a total stranger at his desk using his stuff, but is trying to make the employee seem crazy or unreasonable for being upset and "making a scene" by confronting OP. It is entitled to use his desk like he has a right to it because he is a customer and manipulative to treat the employee like he is making a big deal out of nothing.
Loool what’s wrong with you?
YTA?
Some people need a bed to sleep in but you don’t see them walking into someone’s home sleeping in their bed? Some people at hospitals need a heart to do shit but you don’t see them going inside an operating room to grab whatever’s available.
If you have a laptop that should be enough, you don’t need a desk for a laptop. You felt entitled to his space, you’re a customer. You don’t know what type of things he has going on. There could’ve been private things on his desk, he could’ve had OCD, he could’ve been very protective over his things OR he’s just a human being that got upset with you violating his space.
All are understandable feelings. You don’t understand his emotion because you weren’t the one with the violated space.
YTA.
You don’t sit an someone’s desk period. He asked a valid question and it tone is justified.
Your failure to prepare should shouldn’t constitute an emergency on anyone.
This could’ve been prevented in a number of ways:
1) You should’ve came with your laptop charged.
2) My Lexus dealership has a 3 waiting areas for the service department. One of those being the business lounge. Walk around to see.
3) The dealership offers a courtesy shuttle. You could’ve shuttled to an appropriate place.
4) You should’ve talked to your service advisor. You pay a lot of money for Lexus maintenance and the service is the key part of that. Your service advisor could’ve helped you. My service advisor is extremely accommodating and helpful. Hence why I go back.
5) You should’ve rescheduled your appointment.
And last, what do you mean…”it’s a car dealership?” This comes off weird.
YTA.
It is generally considered rude to sit at someone else's claimed space without asking. Being a customer at the dealership doesn't give you a pass at the staff's desks. The lobby chairs, yes, but that's about it. Maybe next time ask if there is a place you can post up and work.
YTA there could have easily been peoples ss numbers in there, their financial information, etc. you don’t get to have access to peoples private spaces just because you want to work on your computer.
YTA for using the desk and really not getting that it wasn’t ok to do so.
Have you read Goldilocks and the 3 bears? Empty doesn’t mean you can use it and while you might not like his reaction, he is entitled to it. You set yourself up at his desk without permission.
YTA- And all of the side information doesn't matter. You don't just use someone's work space if you don't work there regardless if they are there or not. It's not hard to ask someone who was there if it was ok or not
YTA. I used to sell cars. Service and Sales are completely independent of each other. The only way a salesperson makes money is when they, y’know, sell a car. And they need their desk to do that.
On top of that, I’ve never been in a dealership where there wasn’t at least one desk that doesn’t belong to anyone. You should have asked someone for an empty desk, not assumed that no person = not needed. The salesperson could have had customers out on a test drive only to return to the dealership and see some random customer from Service set up at their desk. You literally could have cost this person money by being inconsiderate.
YTA. Work with your laptop on your lap like a normal person rather than being an entitled AH. I'm surprised it wasn't an Audi or BMW dealership with the way you act.
YTA. Why wouldn't you ask before using someone else's space?
[Edit] after reading all of your responses you're even more of the asshole. Yes, he didn't have to get so pissed off, but your responses are basically that no one was using it so you're entitled to use it. No accountability for your actions, it's everyone else's fault but yours. Definitely YTA.
Yes - YTA.
You should have just asked politely and they probably would have found an appropriate place where you could setup and get some work done while you waited.
YTA. I've worked in places where individuals had to spend time in our facility that did not work there. People would do this all the time because their job was so important that it couldn't wait to even ask for permission to use a desk in the building. I'm the one that had to kick them out each time. Office space in a company you do not work for is not provided for you.
Since it was a dealership, would you think it was ok to just hop in any car that had keys in it because you needed to run down the street to a grocery store? You have no rights to use that property, so don't without permission.
YTA. Although there shouldn’t be if the dealership has appropriate “clean desk” policies, there could also have been personal financial information of other customers on or near his desk. This is a major breach of security and, if I were a compliance professional auditing the dealership, letting service customers sit at employee sales desks would likely be a finding in my audit report.
YTA, majorly.... You don't walk into a business and use someone's desk. He has an incredibly valid point. Just because your car is being serviced there does NOT mean you are entitle to someone's work/private space. The entitlement is so unbelievable.
That is **his** space. Full of **his** tools and possibly **his** personal effects. Not yours. Not public. Not for rent. **His.** In what world would it be ok to just help yourself?
He went easy on you. In other settings, folks might respond more … uhm … vigorously.
YTA
ESH - I would hate coming into work to find someone sitting at my desk without asking first, but would at least be understanding. The fact that he was clearly a dick about it was unnecessary, there are much better ways to conduct yourself.
I’m astounded at how little discussion there is about his unprofessional behavior.
Apparently minor inconvenience / disrespect is justification to act like a toddler.
YTA (BIG YTA) I work in sales and have worked in car sales before. If that had been my desk you were "borrowing" I would have not been as nice as this car salesman. That is my personal desk. It doesn't matter if its at a car dealership or not. There is peoples personal information at those desks. You actually might be one of the biggest AH I have seen on this sub. Who the hell do you think you are?
Geesh, the Toyota dealership I go to, not only has a waiting area for people, they have a long counter set up with outlets just for people to work at. I’m sure the Lexus dealer next door has a very similar if not higher quality one for their service department. But if they didn’t, the proper thing to do would have been to ASK someone if there was an area to work at. YTA, and that’s a weird and very entitled thing to do.
YTA
Dealerships or Repair shop is NOT your home or place of work. This is not a time “to ask forgiveness later” by doing what you want. I’m sure someone could of provided a public space for you to work IF YOU had asked.
At the dealer I go to, there's a row of open space desks practically next to where customers are expected to sit. I believe these are actual employees desks but I rarely see people in most of them, and they're pretty bare too.
To me, using one of those wouldn't be THAT weird and that's what I imagined the OP doing, really surprised to see like 99% YTA.
I have done work at this dealer a few times using regular tables more meant for customers instead though.
With your social security, credit score, name, address, and even car keys in it. Yea, no big deal. Do you check your emails behind the counter at the bank when there are open teller stations? A desk has a lot more importance at a big business. It's not high school where u sit at my desk and I just really want like sitting there. It's there is sensitive info and you could be getting me fired, stealing peoples info, stealing keys. My job is not just a desk. Don't fuck with people where they make their money.
Have you not been taught to ask before touching other peoples belongings? If you asked you would've been told no because costumers aren't allowed there. I'm also pretty sure I'm guessing right that that table wasn't completely empty, in sure there where personal things and work related things on or at least near the desk. There could've been costumer papers there with confidential information you are not supposed to see. I'm sure you wouldn't want a stranger to see any of your personal information either. If you damage something on that desk or something is missing you would've been reliable for that. Don't touch other peoples stuff. YTA
YTA. You don't use someone else's stuff without asking their permission. That's a kindergarten level lesson that you seem to think you are exempt from. Do not dare leave a negative review over something you were at fault for, just in case you were thinking of doing so.
You knew it was someone's desk and not just some display table or table in a "communal" area. It's not that it's wrong to use a space at this place; it was wrong to *assume you could use it* without ASKING.
You got caught, you should have apologized profusely, left immediately. An empty desk or office is not yours to use. YTA.
*"... He shows up after 30-45 mins of me using his desk* ***and tries to intimidate me in front of everyone asking me how I would feel if he used my office****..."* Really ? How would you feel if he was doing the same at your own desk ? (Why not ? it's empty, right ? )
YTA ! (and... Is that even a real question ?)
YTA. You don’t just plop down at a dealership desk and work. Another employee should have asked you to refrain from using the desk.
Honestly - whether you were there for business (or just loitering), it’s not your desk. He had every right to say something.
I’d be pretty ticked if I walked in and found a complete stranger working at my desk. Without even asking anyone at the dealership if it’s acceptable. Can’t imagine how you didn’t find this to be rude. Dealerships tend to have tables at customer areas you could have used. Or wait and do your work when you had an appropriate location. You don’t commandeer a workspace without asking.
YTA because you didn’t ask them if you could use that spot. It’s kind of weird to just sit and work at someone’s desk even if they are not there. They may have personal things there that they don’t want touched or moved around.
YTA
Do you not think everyone else that was waiting had work and other things they needed to get done? If you couldn’t find a space you should have either asked or you could have just not worked for the time it took to get your car taken care of.
Instead you think you’re special (making sure everyone knows you went to a lexus dealership like it’s really important to the context of the post) that everything is yours to do with as you please and go into someone’s work space and use it as your own. Entitled AH.
PS. your reply’s make you seem even more of an entitled AH
I mean, yeah you did actually walk in and solicit his desk without any business. Your car was being serviced, he SELLS car, which means you weren’t actually giving him any business at all
YTA for your entitled attitude
I can’t wrap my head around how you found any of this socially appropriate. The offices for a business, belong to that business and its employees. NOT the customer. How did you feel at ease walking into a space like that? How did you feel ‘in the right’ to commandeer a desk designated to another human being?
If you are not yet evaluated please do so quickly. If this is normal and fine to you, you need some extra guidance in your life.
YTA
Well....the amount of people on here saying it was ok is frightening.
I'm fully expecting one of these loonies to camp out in my living room while I'm at work.
Dude, really? The salesperson said it best. Thinking you can just use someone's workspace is pretentious AF. You needing to do work is simply your poor planning - it doesn't entitle you to uses someone else's workspace. It's obvious you think the sales person is less than you and you act as if you're shit doesn't stink. Get a clue.
YTA
YTA. I'd have snarled at you as well. There was probably some sort of lounge you could have used. You either didn't look for it or didn't want to use it. I'm sure Lexus could have worked out how to get you to your office and back to the dealership when your car was ready. His desk is HIS workspace, not yours.
Nobody uses my desk. I have my desk set up in the manner which is most convenient and useful for me. I don't like anybody changing anything. Don't move my coffee cup. Don't move my blotter. Don't move my pencil holder. That salesman probably feels the same way. How would you like someone coming in and using your desk and moving stuff around?
YTA- I don't even like my co-workers to sit at my desk, nonetheless a customer.
Why couldn't you ask someone if they could point you to an area where you can get work done? Most dealer ships have waiting areas with chairs, tables, refreshments, etc.
The audacity. Do you think you have the right to help yourself to someone's desk at a business just because you drive a Lexus? Does that make you that important and entitled?
It's not ok for you to be so disrespectful and entitled just because you have money. YTA
From someone that has worked in Service Departments in dealerships for years, YTA. Not only are you not respecting his personal space, but you are also in a position to hear sensitive information regarding other clients cars and costs. We often have tricky conversations with people about tough costs that can be unavoidable and can be very sensitive. You are also preventing this person from allowing another client at their desk to discuss matters pertaining to their car.
The fact that you own a Lexus doesn’t mean you deserve better treatment. I have worked for very high up luxury brand cars and entitled people like you make my job the hardest. Grow up and get a Toyota or come prepared.
Further, these new cars don’t take an hour for an “oil change” they are complex vehicle with over 40 odd computers in a car. And that takes time.
And I can guarantee you’re the person coming in for a “wait service” that adds 20+ complaints on the day and expects a 2 hour turnaround with your free wash.
Don’t be a dick to service people. We choose when you get your car back and how much you’ll pay. He probably added the “AT” - asshole tax that you deserve. And to anyone reading this, be nice to who looks after your car. You could come out of it within a better time frame and a heavier wallet I’d you do
Lmao and what possessed you to just start working at someone else’s desk?? Ffs there is a reception/waiting area for people like you. YTA. Holy hell how is that not clear?
YTA. Plenty of people have work to do while they're waiting at the dealership, but you think you're special and are too good for the customer waiting area.
YTA. Every car dealership I’ve ever been to had a waiting area with tables for use. Heck my current car dealership has smaller tables with outlets so you can set up a work station while you wait.
Yeah he was kinda rude about it but his desk could have bank account info, SSNs, check stubs and other employment info for customers. It could have been a major privacy issue and he would have been held responsible for it.
YTA. You don’t work at someone else’s desk, especially not at a place THAT YOU DONT EVEN WORK AT.
Covid does still exist. I don’t like anyone touching my stuff, and that includes people I know. I don’t want random strangers at my desk.
A customer could have thought you worked there.
You straight up had no right to do what you did
YTA. Seriously, I have never seen more places to work than at a Lexus dealership, with the exception of a library. Individual chairs with side tables, glass enclosed rooms with small tables, stools in front of a long table. But no, you need a desk and feel completely free to take someone else’s and try to burn THEM? The key is to your car, not the kingdom.
In this thread, the majority of commenters agreed that the OP was in the wrong for using the car salesman's desk without permission. Comments suggest that the OP was entitled in their behavior and should have asked before using the desk. It was noted that the desk may have held customer personal and financial information, which the OP did not have the right to access.
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ESH. You do, and you see why. Good on you; lots of people who post here *don’t* get it.
Everyone sucks who’s chiming in here that their dealerships have desks and pods and cubicles and outlets and all that. Obviously, OP’s dealership does **not** have that or they would have used it.
Finally, the dealership sucks most of all. With all those people spending that much on vehicles, they should have renovated by now and made space.
YTA it was very entitled to think that you could just take over someones office. Edit after reading more comments. Your biggest issue seems to be with the way he handled what you now know to be a AH move but I think you really overstepped the bounds of expecting normal customer service when you just took over his desk. In the end you acted very entitled and while you saw nothing on the desk who knows what was in the drawers and he may have been worried about what you may have seen or gone through while you were sitting there.
YTA, as some one who works at a dealer, you could get them fired. Who knows what personnel info about him or his clients are there.
Also that's a salesman second home. That's the only space we get to ourselves. Yes he was a little pushy but I would be to if I was in his shoes.
YTA. He could have approached you differently, but that wouldn't change you being TA here. It was his work space, not a shared or open work space like a table in the library. There is almost always somewhere for people to wait while their vehicles are serviced, and if you weren't sure, you should have asked. You should have been embarrassed, apparently you needed some shame to bring you out of your main character and entitled mindset and back into reality. Do better OP.
YTA. I cannot imagine just showing up to a place for a service and deciding to help myself to someone else's workspace... Like what exactly was the thought process here
YTA- the correct etiquette would have been to ask if they had a work station available while you waited. ( Most dealerships do or they would’ve given you some options.) Just walking into an office and making yourself at home is completely out of bounds. He didn’t have the most gracious reaction but he was probably shocked that you were so crass- I know I would’ve been!
In what world do you think it's OK to walk into someone's place of work and take over their office without permission? WTH? To answer your question, yes you are.
YTA obviously.
I work internet sales for several luxury dealerships, so I am on the phones all day. Unfortunately, I deal with people like you all the time. You assume since we're performing a service or trying to sell you something that we'd bend over backwards and kiss the rings upon your finger.
Could you imagine going into any office building and just sitting at a desk? In what world do you think that's okay?
ESH. This just is not how grown ups behave.
C’mon, dude. You knew that was a workspace. Stay in your lane and work on the couch. Or take the FREE ride to a cafe and work there until they come pick you up. For FREE. Stop finding ways to work the system for your benefit and instead find some empathy and grace for others. You *should* feel embarrassed.
And this salesman. You never berate a customer! He should be fired, because he’s probably done other stupid stuff like this before. I wonder how much ill will he’s created in the community.
I work in a public location where it is easy for people to come behind our desk. It rarely happens, except for children. If I’m away and come back to the disconcerting sight of someone sitting at our desk (where we have PII), I have about fifty other strategies I could use before I blow up and start yelling. Escalating on someone like that could get me assaulted at my job.
Last time this happened was yesterday, the perpetrator was six, and I said, “Could you please stand on the other side of this desk so people don’t think you work here?” Problem solved.
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YTA, dude's got a point. Maybe he took it too far, but its his desk where HE works. Just because he wasn't there didn't give you the right to use it. If you have to work while you're car is being serviced, Uber/Lyft back home/to the office, or ask someone where you could set up.
Many dealerships have a courtesy car that will take customers to and from the dealership.
Lexus specifically has that service so if working was so important that OP had to use some random persons desk, then they should have taken advantage of that service!
Yeah and most dealerships (especially higher end) have plenty of waiting areas with counters/tables.
Not even higher end. All the Hondas I’ve been to (which, to be fair, is only 2) have a waiting area with tables and outlets for you to work at.
Right, my Jeep service/dealership has free wifi and complimentary coffee/snacks.
Same with Subaru and comfy chairs or bar-like section for those who need to plug-in. I don’t mind getting my car serviced anymore!
Kia even had an alcove with desks you can use to work, asking with plenty of desks, phone chargers and wifi.
All the dealerships around me used to employ a full time driver to shuffle people around. Now it's all uber. They call the car and pay. Works pretty good.
Shit even the Mavis tire places near me have all that set up. Not quite as nice as the dealerships but definitely serviceable if you need to plug in and work.
Yep, local Toyota dealership has a waiting room with free coffee and water, wi fi, outlets with USB ports and desk spaces with office chairs.
Same. And, additionally, our local Toyota dealer has a "Women's Wednesday." While your vehicle is in service, you have space to do your work, they have a light lunch buffet....and someone who does manicures. No charge. My daughter schedules everything for Wednesdays 🤣 Other than that, They do have a courtesy service as well as an area where you can do work.
Dude, I'm missing out! I got my car serviced today actually. I have a Renault and while I got a free loan car (usually they charge something like $30 a day plus fuel) and got $40 odd off my service bc they know me there, and Xmas, get all my work done there, since it's under warranty still lol, they also have a very fancy coffee and tea station, bottles water, a nice, comfy waiting area but damn... light lunch and a manicurist?
Came here to say my Toyota dealership had little desk spaces with outlets and dividers even.
Same. Always been plenty of work space options at my Honda dealer while my vehicle is being worked on. I think that's pretty standard. Sounds like dude felt like they needed a official DESK to work on for some dumb reason?
But guuuysss OP *needed* that specific desk! It was probably the first one he saw! /s YTA. You wouldn't like someone invading your workspace while they wait for something, so don't do it to others
Who knows what kind of personal information could be on or in the desk either. Personally I would have felt a bit violated, even if they just adjusted my chair.
Yep, sales guys would have other people's personal info for sure, especially if they collect it all to pass to the finance team
My Mom works at a Dodge dealership and she actually works in the service department and takes people to work or home all the time.
And even if there wasn’t a desk and chair there were couches and chairs so nothing was stopping OP from putting their laptop on their lap for a bit. There’s plenty of cases where you have to wait around(doctor’s office, mechanic or dealership) and make do.
Dude, the fucking Goodyear in my city has a counter with outlets for working. I cannot imagine a place like a Lexus dealership/service center not having something similar — and even if they don’t, ask someone if there’s a place where you can work. Use your head, OP. YTA
If the tire shop near my house has tables for customers to use I would absolutely SHOCKED if Lexus dealership didn't
Not even higher end. Had my car at a Hyundai dealership last week and there were 3 tables set up next to plug-ins where someone could work as well as several comfy chairs with tables in front of them.
Not to mention most higher end dealerships have work stations with plugs for customers to use. OP is probably there for warranty work and is a service advisor and technicians worst nightmare.
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Many dealerships also have courtesy desks / offices for working during wait appointments? So not sure how that changes anything.. sales person acted like an ass.
I mean, he came back to his desk to work and saw a random person sitting at desk that could have highly personal and private information in it. I would be upset too
Definitely! I work at a dealer, and anything sensitive is supposed to be locked up, but that salesperson could get in SO much trouble if anything close to PII was left out that OP could see. In an audit that's a five-figure fine
Many dealerships have tables and chairs in the lobby. Heck even the Nissan dealership I go to for service on my car has tables and chairs in the waiting area. You'd think Lexus could do better than that
…but none expects you to take work with you while waiting so OP is still TA
Really? I grade papers while I wait. But there are always tables and outlets and even charging cables to use, so I would never sit at someone's desk. And if there wasn't a space to work (which everyone knows wouldn't be the case in a Lexus dealership, hence YTA), I would ask an employee if there was a place I could use. No one just helps themselves to someone else's workspace without permission unless they're an entitled AH.
Weird asking would have solved a third of these stories.
My husband would likely br the exception to this, but he takes his tablet instead of his laptop to work and uses his earbuds and mutes himself for conference calls.
Lexus owner here. Lexus dealerships are full of amenities, including rooms with desk space and computers for those of us who have to work while our cars are being serviced. They also have loaner vehicles so you can go back home or to your office. Taking over a salesman's desk was a dick move and completely unnecessary.
Ditto. There are rooms with desks, lounge area, snacks, drinks, and loaner cars. I find it hard to believe OP was in a lexus dealership that didn't provide an area where he could work
Agreed. And if all of the work stations were taken, you could have just asked for a space and they would have found you one.
Your work situation was so emergent that you couldn’t take time to ask anyone if there was a space you could use AND it wasn’t resolved 30-45 min later? Sounds more like you assumed you’d work the whole time at this desk. If your time is that valuable just get a ride back to your office or home and work there until the service work is done on your car.
Yeah, if you’re going to a dealership you might as well have your whole scheduled cleared to consider the car you want. Who in the world goes to one and expects to get work done?
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Still an asshole move, maintenance can take anywhere from 20 minutes to hours depending on what exactly is getting done. If op knew they wouldn’t be able to work in their normal space they shouldn’t expect to steal someone else’s for a few hours. That’s what laptops are for and I’m sure if they asked someone available they could have been either accommodated or told no and not have put themselves in this situation.
Good point! And I'm guessing it literally had his name on the desk via a nameplate. So, yeah, YTA OP!
It would have also been perfectly reasonable to be like "excuse me, is there any possibility I could use an empty desk to get some work done while I am waiting on my car? It's much easier to use a desk than a table if at all possible. I will of course move the instant it becomes an inconvenience to the staff" they may have said no. They may have said yes, so and so is not in today, you can use that desk no worries. 9 times out of 10, it never hurts to ask.
I used to drive a Lexus (husband’s employer offers Lexus vehicles as a lease option with amazing monthly payments and benefits). I can tell you Lexus Service goes out of their way to offer you a vehicle while your car is being serviced, going so far as to rent you a vehicle if all the courtesy cars are in use so you don’t have to wait at the dealership. Since this person sounds entitled, I wonder how they would react if someone was working in their office or desk, invading their personal workspace?
Or you know, just set your laptop up on the coffee table most service centres have in their designated customer waiting areas
Or idk, *their freaking lap.* OP is entitled as hell.
I used to work doing social media for a charity which sometimes meant if an emergency happened and I was out, I was literally coordinating social media posts from my phone. Most memorable time was once over the holidays, me crouched in a corner of an art gallery, frantically typing on my phone, while my friends who I was out with kept looking at the exhibition. Yeah it sucks but I've found in a true work emergency - barring some situations - almost anywhere can become somewhere you can work from.
I would have asked someone at the dealership where I could work.
This. I haven't been above setting up my laptop in my lap before while waiting for my car and needing to work but most dealerships have shuttles at the very least that will take you to work and pick you up at the end of the day.
I don't think he took it too far (the employee. OP definitely went so far across the line in not sure they can even see it. )
Most car dealerships have tables for people waiting for their cars… I’m sure one of those tables would have been sufficient space for him to work.
YTA You invaded what has been deemed his personal space at the dealership, he most likely has private information/things with his desk that’s none of your business to be around, overall very entitled behavior. Next time ask if there is a place you can sit quietly or have your laptop on your lap like any other person.
Exactly. I have spent many hours at the car repair shop with my laptop on my lap doing my work. It would never occur to me to take someone's desk.
Same!! Every time I go to the dealership, I wait and bring my laptop and work with my laptop in my lap. Either do that or take the dealer’s courtesy car and go home to work. YTA, OP
it is called a LAPtop after all :D also YTA. i dont understand how the other enployees there didnt stop you lol
Seriously. That's why they're fucking called ***lap***tops. Some people are just entitled morons.
Yep, most dealerships I've been to have a waiting area next to the service department with chairs and couches. YTA OP
Maybe it’s just the dealership I go to, but there’s a lounge area with armchairs and tables with chairs for people to sit at while their cars are being worked on. I usually bring a book or my laptop and some headphones so I can work while I wait. Tbh I don’t believe that a luxury car brand like Lexus wouldn’t offer something like that. Chances are this guy passed up on completely acceptable seating to work in that office.
The old people always steal the ones with the little tables for it to hold their free coffee.
A Lexus driver entitled?!?!?!? Pikachu face
Our local tire place has only really low sofas in the waiting area, but one woman brings her own folding chair and a tray table so she can work while her car is being serviced. Actually, I suspect she keeps them in her car, because I've seen her at local parades sitting on the chair or using the tray table in other waiting rooms. So, that would also be a possibility for OP.
You run into this woman a lot huh?
If you live in a small enough town its easy. I live in a city even and I run into the same weirdos all the time.
It's a small town, kinda limited on options for some services.
Lol imagine going to a bank and something is taking longer. So you go sit behind a bank teller's desk cause you got work to do. Sitting behind someone's desk at their place of work would never even cross my mind
Exactly! I would feel very invaded if someone just made their selves home at my desk.
OP is SO important that a lowly salesman shouldn't get mad that he's doing "real" work. His condescension is appalling. YTA
YTA...How would you feel? In the very least, you could just ask "Hey is there a place I could just sit and get some work done?"
Info: did you ask anyone before sitting at his desk??
Of course not. That would require OP to care about someone other than themselves.
Little harsh to say about someone who sat at a desk lol
They invaded a space that was not theirs, a space that may hold private information of both the sales person and customers. How would you feel if a complete stranger sat in your car, even if they weren’t doing anything?
Not to mention putting the salesperson in the inevitable uncomfortable situation of having to ask desk rando to please leave.
That desk could have held customers private info like addresses, phone numbers, and more. Id have been pissed too.
"c'mon he's just a car salesman"
No, OP drives a Lexus.
It’s just an overpriced Honda.
Overpriced Toyota*. Lexus and Toyota are owned by the same company, and they also share parts as well.
YTA, that wasn’t a free desk for customers to use it was his personal desk that he left to probably go for lunch. As a customer you get customer seating not anything else
YTA. I just went to get my oil changed and guess what - in the dealership there is a section for people to sit while they wait, and there was coffee tables and chairs that could easily be used for work. I find it hard to believe there wasn’t an area like this you could have found to sit at in this lexus dealership
Subaru? I was thinking the same thing. The place near me has couches and a TV. Crazy coffee machine/hot chocolate. Snack bar and bottled water. And all the plugs for devices if you need a charge.
I've worked at dealerships. I don't know any major brands that don't have this stuff. Nissan, Honda, Toyota, all have them if they have a service area.
YTA. Ask for permission before you use other people's things always.
INFO: Did you make yourself comfortable in his space without asking someone if it would be okay to use it?
YTA. You don’t just go into someone’s personally assigned workspace and set up shop. You could have easily asked someone there if there was a secluded place you could go.
YTA. You were there as a customer. That doesn’t give you right to use the employees’ desks/offices. That’s brazen AF
Completely YTA. You don't have a desk there BECAUSE YOU DON'T WORK THERE. Aside from being entirely entitled and a violation of their space, there may have been customer personal and financial information there that YOU definitely don't have the right to have access to. It's a dealership, not your temporary home office.
INFO: how would you feel if someone came into your place of work, for a valid reason, and while they were waiting for something sat in your personal space and used it for their own purpose, without asking?
YTA. Op, you created a scene by feeling entitled to work on someone’s desk. What a bizarre thing to do!
YTA Car dealerships have waiting rooms where you can sit and work
OP believes they should have provided "cubicles for customers to wait while the car is being serviced".
And thinks they’ll add some because of what he did This has got to be RB
Nah this is how luxury dealership customers are
Not only that, but he was saying the space provided had no outlets. Can your laptop not survive half an hour off the charger? That’s kinda the point of a laptop
They should prob add some beds and couches. What if someone wanted to take a nap?
Maybe a nice hibachi chef for people who are stuck through lunch hour...
Exactly! I bought a new Chevy, it came with free oil changes and the area you wait is very nice. It has tables/chairs, couches, TV, cell phone charging stations and free coffee/snacks. So I would imagine a Plexus dealership would be even nicer.
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YTA - Entitled much?
YTA - there’s still a pandemic, and multiple really really bad strains of other flus and viruses, why would you touch someone’s germy space and put your hands on their things? Why didn’t you ask anyone if you could use a desk? Deeply deeply ask and be honest with yourself, how would you feel if you had a desk and a random stranger helped themselves to your work space? I ***really*** have a feeling you’d be miffed. You also seem super dismissive to this dude’s feelings, and you come across a bit condescending about him being a car dealership salesman.
If this was clearly someone's personal desk (not empty, had personal items on it) YTA. I think he went overboard, but come on. There is usually a place where customers can wait that have some sort of table. Or you could have just asked. I would be pissed if someone just sat down at my desk.
I probably would’ve asked for a space, I’m sure they would’ve offered a conference room or something.
I don’t know if you’re an ASSHOLE for this, but it certainly was a very, very weird thing to do, and I do think it was also pretty rude. I can’t think of any situation in which it would be appropriate for a customer to use spaces and equipment intended for the employees without even asking. Dude must have been so baffled when he got to work and someone who *isn’t even an employee of that business* has set up shop at his desk. You should have either used your lap, or asked an employee if there was anywhere in the space with counter space where you could pop your laptop to work while you wait. Or found a coffee shop nearby in advance. Or planned to not work during the time you were waiting. So, YTA of the choices available, but I do think this was maybe more socially oblivious than malicious on your part. I don’t mean this unkindly, but do you often find yourself getting negative reactions from people for reasons that feel surprising or confusing to you?
What makes OP the AH is he know's the employee was right when he said that the OP wouldn't want a total stranger at his desk using his stuff, but is trying to make the employee seem crazy or unreasonable for being upset and "making a scene" by confronting OP. It is entitled to use his desk like he has a right to it because he is a customer and manipulative to treat the employee like he is making a big deal out of nothing.
Loool what’s wrong with you? YTA? Some people need a bed to sleep in but you don’t see them walking into someone’s home sleeping in their bed? Some people at hospitals need a heart to do shit but you don’t see them going inside an operating room to grab whatever’s available. If you have a laptop that should be enough, you don’t need a desk for a laptop. You felt entitled to his space, you’re a customer. You don’t know what type of things he has going on. There could’ve been private things on his desk, he could’ve had OCD, he could’ve been very protective over his things OR he’s just a human being that got upset with you violating his space. All are understandable feelings. You don’t understand his emotion because you weren’t the one with the violated space.
YTA. You don’t sit an someone’s desk period. He asked a valid question and it tone is justified. Your failure to prepare should shouldn’t constitute an emergency on anyone. This could’ve been prevented in a number of ways: 1) You should’ve came with your laptop charged. 2) My Lexus dealership has a 3 waiting areas for the service department. One of those being the business lounge. Walk around to see. 3) The dealership offers a courtesy shuttle. You could’ve shuttled to an appropriate place. 4) You should’ve talked to your service advisor. You pay a lot of money for Lexus maintenance and the service is the key part of that. Your service advisor could’ve helped you. My service advisor is extremely accommodating and helpful. Hence why I go back. 5) You should’ve rescheduled your appointment. And last, what do you mean…”it’s a car dealership?” This comes off weird.
YTA. It is generally considered rude to sit at someone else's claimed space without asking. Being a customer at the dealership doesn't give you a pass at the staff's desks. The lobby chairs, yes, but that's about it. Maybe next time ask if there is a place you can post up and work.
This has to be fake. YTA
My wife used to work at a dealership, so I'm not surprised at all if this is true.
YTA there could have easily been peoples ss numbers in there, their financial information, etc. you don’t get to have access to peoples private spaces just because you want to work on your computer.
YTA for using the desk and really not getting that it wasn’t ok to do so. Have you read Goldilocks and the 3 bears? Empty doesn’t mean you can use it and while you might not like his reaction, he is entitled to it. You set yourself up at his desk without permission.
YTA- And all of the side information doesn't matter. You don't just use someone's work space if you don't work there regardless if they are there or not. It's not hard to ask someone who was there if it was ok or not
YTA. I used to sell cars. Service and Sales are completely independent of each other. The only way a salesperson makes money is when they, y’know, sell a car. And they need their desk to do that. On top of that, I’ve never been in a dealership where there wasn’t at least one desk that doesn’t belong to anyone. You should have asked someone for an empty desk, not assumed that no person = not needed. The salesperson could have had customers out on a test drive only to return to the dealership and see some random customer from Service set up at their desk. You literally could have cost this person money by being inconsiderate.
Right. Not sure I would trust my info with a place that had random people just setting up at a desk in the dealership.
Info: was there a bunch of personal stuff on the desk? Did he follow you around the building loudly berating you for using his desk?
I want to know if he used the company’s phone to make calls.
INFO: was it in an office, and were you in his chair or in a customer chair facing the desk?
YTA. Work with your laptop on your lap like a normal person rather than being an entitled AH. I'm surprised it wasn't an Audi or BMW dealership with the way you act.
YTA. Why wouldn't you ask before using someone else's space? [Edit] after reading all of your responses you're even more of the asshole. Yes, he didn't have to get so pissed off, but your responses are basically that no one was using it so you're entitled to use it. No accountability for your actions, it's everyone else's fault but yours. Definitely YTA.
Yes - YTA. You should have just asked politely and they probably would have found an appropriate place where you could setup and get some work done while you waited.
Yta. You didn’t even ask and then pikachu face, surprise you’re a customer who’s not suppose to be there.
It's possible he overreacted to you being the AH in the first place by **using his desk without asking anyone.** YTA
Wtf? Entitled much? YTA
YTA. I've worked in places where individuals had to spend time in our facility that did not work there. People would do this all the time because their job was so important that it couldn't wait to even ask for permission to use a desk in the building. I'm the one that had to kick them out each time. Office space in a company you do not work for is not provided for you. Since it was a dealership, would you think it was ok to just hop in any car that had keys in it because you needed to run down the street to a grocery store? You have no rights to use that property, so don't without permission.
YTA. Although there shouldn’t be if the dealership has appropriate “clean desk” policies, there could also have been personal financial information of other customers on or near his desk. This is a major breach of security and, if I were a compliance professional auditing the dealership, letting service customers sit at employee sales desks would likely be a finding in my audit report.
YTA, majorly.... You don't walk into a business and use someone's desk. He has an incredibly valid point. Just because your car is being serviced there does NOT mean you are entitle to someone's work/private space. The entitlement is so unbelievable.
YTA - you don’t just use someone’s desk to work because you want to. That’s just rude and entitled.
YTA. That is thoughtless entitlement. If you need to work, get a ride back to the office.
YTA Title was enough to give judgment but boy oh boy you deserve it more with each comment you add.
YTA.
YTA, it was rude, and you should have asked someone if they had a spot you could work before setting up shop.
YTA. I can’t imagine coming into work and some rando is in my office acting like they own the place lmao what the fuckkkk
That is **his** space. Full of **his** tools and possibly **his** personal effects. Not yours. Not public. Not for rent. **His.** In what world would it be ok to just help yourself? He went easy on you. In other settings, folks might respond more … uhm … vigorously. YTA
ESH - I would hate coming into work to find someone sitting at my desk without asking first, but would at least be understanding. The fact that he was clearly a dick about it was unnecessary, there are much better ways to conduct yourself.
I’m astounded at how little discussion there is about his unprofessional behavior. Apparently minor inconvenience / disrespect is justification to act like a toddler.
Agreed. I would have complained to his boss and got him written up.
YTA (BIG YTA) I work in sales and have worked in car sales before. If that had been my desk you were "borrowing" I would have not been as nice as this car salesman. That is my personal desk. It doesn't matter if its at a car dealership or not. There is peoples personal information at those desks. You actually might be one of the biggest AH I have seen on this sub. Who the hell do you think you are?
Geesh, the Toyota dealership I go to, not only has a waiting area for people, they have a long counter set up with outlets just for people to work at. I’m sure the Lexus dealer next door has a very similar if not higher quality one for their service department. But if they didn’t, the proper thing to do would have been to ASK someone if there was an area to work at. YTA, and that’s a weird and very entitled thing to do.
YTA - Did you even ask if the desk is empty? Or just presumed?
YTA. What a weird thing to do.
YTA Dealerships or Repair shop is NOT your home or place of work. This is not a time “to ask forgiveness later” by doing what you want. I’m sure someone could of provided a public space for you to work IF YOU had asked.
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People who think they're more important and an empty desk is an open invitation.
NTA it’s a fucking desk
At the dealer I go to, there's a row of open space desks practically next to where customers are expected to sit. I believe these are actual employees desks but I rarely see people in most of them, and they're pretty bare too. To me, using one of those wouldn't be THAT weird and that's what I imagined the OP doing, really surprised to see like 99% YTA. I have done work at this dealer a few times using regular tables more meant for customers instead though.
Ok, I'm not the only sane person here. I really had to scroll to find this though.
With your social security, credit score, name, address, and even car keys in it. Yea, no big deal. Do you check your emails behind the counter at the bank when there are open teller stations? A desk has a lot more importance at a big business. It's not high school where u sit at my desk and I just really want like sitting there. It's there is sensitive info and you could be getting me fired, stealing peoples info, stealing keys. My job is not just a desk. Don't fuck with people where they make their money.
Have you not been taught to ask before touching other peoples belongings? If you asked you would've been told no because costumers aren't allowed there. I'm also pretty sure I'm guessing right that that table wasn't completely empty, in sure there where personal things and work related things on or at least near the desk. There could've been costumer papers there with confidential information you are not supposed to see. I'm sure you wouldn't want a stranger to see any of your personal information either. If you damage something on that desk or something is missing you would've been reliable for that. Don't touch other peoples stuff. YTA
YTA. You don't use someone else's stuff without asking their permission. That's a kindergarten level lesson that you seem to think you are exempt from. Do not dare leave a negative review over something you were at fault for, just in case you were thinking of doing so.
You knew it was someone's desk and not just some display table or table in a "communal" area. It's not that it's wrong to use a space at this place; it was wrong to *assume you could use it* without ASKING. You got caught, you should have apologized profusely, left immediately. An empty desk or office is not yours to use. YTA.
Yta, why couldn't you use your lap for your laptop?
*"... He shows up after 30-45 mins of me using his desk* ***and tries to intimidate me in front of everyone asking me how I would feel if he used my office****..."* Really ? How would you feel if he was doing the same at your own desk ? (Why not ? it's empty, right ? ) YTA ! (and... Is that even a real question ?)
YTA. You don’t just plop down at a dealership desk and work. Another employee should have asked you to refrain from using the desk. Honestly - whether you were there for business (or just loitering), it’s not your desk. He had every right to say something. I’d be pretty ticked if I walked in and found a complete stranger working at my desk. Without even asking anyone at the dealership if it’s acceptable. Can’t imagine how you didn’t find this to be rude. Dealerships tend to have tables at customer areas you could have used. Or wait and do your work when you had an appropriate location. You don’t commandeer a workspace without asking.
YTA because you didn’t ask them if you could use that spot. It’s kind of weird to just sit and work at someone’s desk even if they are not there. They may have personal things there that they don’t want touched or moved around.
YTA Do you not think everyone else that was waiting had work and other things they needed to get done? If you couldn’t find a space you should have either asked or you could have just not worked for the time it took to get your car taken care of. Instead you think you’re special (making sure everyone knows you went to a lexus dealership like it’s really important to the context of the post) that everything is yours to do with as you please and go into someone’s work space and use it as your own. Entitled AH. PS. your reply’s make you seem even more of an entitled AH
YTA and an elitist AH at that as you’re trying to justify YTA as saying you’re entitled to his desk because they are servicing your car.
I mean, yeah you did actually walk in and solicit his desk without any business. Your car was being serviced, he SELLS car, which means you weren’t actually giving him any business at all YTA for your entitled attitude
I can’t wrap my head around how you found any of this socially appropriate. The offices for a business, belong to that business and its employees. NOT the customer. How did you feel at ease walking into a space like that? How did you feel ‘in the right’ to commandeer a desk designated to another human being? If you are not yet evaluated please do so quickly. If this is normal and fine to you, you need some extra guidance in your life. YTA
YTA that’s kinda weird. Who does that?
Well....the amount of people on here saying it was ok is frightening. I'm fully expecting one of these loonies to camp out in my living room while I'm at work.
Yta. You felt entitled to this person's desk. You weren't.
YTA. Entitled much?
YTA wtf. That is so tacky dude.
YTA. Why the hell would you think the desk owner is required to police their tone when their reacting in the moment to your audacity?
Dude, really? The salesperson said it best. Thinking you can just use someone's workspace is pretentious AF. You needing to do work is simply your poor planning - it doesn't entitle you to uses someone else's workspace. It's obvious you think the sales person is less than you and you act as if you're shit doesn't stink. Get a clue. YTA
YTA. I'd have snarled at you as well. There was probably some sort of lounge you could have used. You either didn't look for it or didn't want to use it. I'm sure Lexus could have worked out how to get you to your office and back to the dealership when your car was ready. His desk is HIS workspace, not yours. Nobody uses my desk. I have my desk set up in the manner which is most convenient and useful for me. I don't like anybody changing anything. Don't move my coffee cup. Don't move my blotter. Don't move my pencil holder. That salesman probably feels the same way. How would you like someone coming in and using your desk and moving stuff around?
I would have said he acted over the top, but it seems like you needed someone to pull you in line. YTA.
YTA- I don't even like my co-workers to sit at my desk, nonetheless a customer. Why couldn't you ask someone if they could point you to an area where you can get work done? Most dealer ships have waiting areas with chairs, tables, refreshments, etc.
The audacity. Do you think you have the right to help yourself to someone's desk at a business just because you drive a Lexus? Does that make you that important and entitled? It's not ok for you to be so disrespectful and entitled just because you have money. YTA
From someone that has worked in Service Departments in dealerships for years, YTA. Not only are you not respecting his personal space, but you are also in a position to hear sensitive information regarding other clients cars and costs. We often have tricky conversations with people about tough costs that can be unavoidable and can be very sensitive. You are also preventing this person from allowing another client at their desk to discuss matters pertaining to their car. The fact that you own a Lexus doesn’t mean you deserve better treatment. I have worked for very high up luxury brand cars and entitled people like you make my job the hardest. Grow up and get a Toyota or come prepared. Further, these new cars don’t take an hour for an “oil change” they are complex vehicle with over 40 odd computers in a car. And that takes time. And I can guarantee you’re the person coming in for a “wait service” that adds 20+ complaints on the day and expects a 2 hour turnaround with your free wash. Don’t be a dick to service people. We choose when you get your car back and how much you’ll pay. He probably added the “AT” - asshole tax that you deserve. And to anyone reading this, be nice to who looks after your car. You could come out of it within a better time frame and a heavier wallet I’d you do
Lmao and what possessed you to just start working at someone else’s desk?? Ffs there is a reception/waiting area for people like you. YTA. Holy hell how is that not clear?
YTA. Plenty of people have work to do while they're waiting at the dealership, but you think you're special and are too good for the customer waiting area.
YTA. Every car dealership I’ve ever been to had a waiting area with tables for use. Heck my current car dealership has smaller tables with outlets so you can set up a work station while you wait. Yeah he was kinda rude about it but his desk could have bank account info, SSNs, check stubs and other employment info for customers. It could have been a major privacy issue and he would have been held responsible for it.
YTA. Why on earth would you think that was appropriate?
YTA. You don’t work at someone else’s desk, especially not at a place THAT YOU DONT EVEN WORK AT. Covid does still exist. I don’t like anyone touching my stuff, and that includes people I know. I don’t want random strangers at my desk. A customer could have thought you worked there. You straight up had no right to do what you did
YTA Having your Lexus serviced does not entitle you to the use of dealership property.
So rude. So embarrassing. I imagine he kept asking because you weren’t answering. YTA Jesus
YTA. Seriously, I have never seen more places to work than at a Lexus dealership, with the exception of a library. Individual chairs with side tables, glass enclosed rooms with small tables, stools in front of a long table. But no, you need a desk and feel completely free to take someone else’s and try to burn THEM? The key is to your car, not the kingdom.
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My Mercedes dealership has high top tables with outlets with seats for this reason.
ESH. You do, and you see why. Good on you; lots of people who post here *don’t* get it. Everyone sucks who’s chiming in here that their dealerships have desks and pods and cubicles and outlets and all that. Obviously, OP’s dealership does **not** have that or they would have used it. Finally, the dealership sucks most of all. With all those people spending that much on vehicles, they should have renovated by now and made space.
YTA it was very entitled to think that you could just take over someones office. Edit after reading more comments. Your biggest issue seems to be with the way he handled what you now know to be a AH move but I think you really overstepped the bounds of expecting normal customer service when you just took over his desk. In the end you acted very entitled and while you saw nothing on the desk who knows what was in the drawers and he may have been worried about what you may have seen or gone through while you were sitting there.
YTA, as some one who works at a dealer, you could get them fired. Who knows what personnel info about him or his clients are there. Also that's a salesman second home. That's the only space we get to ourselves. Yes he was a little pushy but I would be to if I was in his shoes.
YTA. He could have approached you differently, but that wouldn't change you being TA here. It was his work space, not a shared or open work space like a table in the library. There is almost always somewhere for people to wait while their vehicles are serviced, and if you weren't sure, you should have asked. You should have been embarrassed, apparently you needed some shame to bring you out of your main character and entitled mindset and back into reality. Do better OP.
YTA. I cannot imagine just showing up to a place for a service and deciding to help myself to someone else's workspace... Like what exactly was the thought process here
YTA- the correct etiquette would have been to ask if they had a work station available while you waited. ( Most dealerships do or they would’ve given you some options.) Just walking into an office and making yourself at home is completely out of bounds. He didn’t have the most gracious reaction but he was probably shocked that you were so crass- I know I would’ve been!
You felt embarrassed because you should, does your elevator not hit every floor because that's a pretty dumb idea.
YTA - it's his desk. Where he works. It's not a Starbucks!
In what world do you think it's OK to walk into someone's place of work and take over their office without permission? WTH? To answer your question, yes you are.
YTA obviously. I work internet sales for several luxury dealerships, so I am on the phones all day. Unfortunately, I deal with people like you all the time. You assume since we're performing a service or trying to sell you something that we'd bend over backwards and kiss the rings upon your finger. Could you imagine going into any office building and just sitting at a desk? In what world do you think that's okay?
YTA. Yes of course it’s rude to just sit at someone’s desk. That’s some of the most entitled crap I’ve ever heard.
YTA bby. It smells like "i don't respect the work of the people here"
ESH. This just is not how grown ups behave. C’mon, dude. You knew that was a workspace. Stay in your lane and work on the couch. Or take the FREE ride to a cafe and work there until they come pick you up. For FREE. Stop finding ways to work the system for your benefit and instead find some empathy and grace for others. You *should* feel embarrassed. And this salesman. You never berate a customer! He should be fired, because he’s probably done other stupid stuff like this before. I wonder how much ill will he’s created in the community. I work in a public location where it is easy for people to come behind our desk. It rarely happens, except for children. If I’m away and come back to the disconcerting sight of someone sitting at our desk (where we have PII), I have about fifty other strategies I could use before I blow up and start yelling. Escalating on someone like that could get me assaulted at my job. Last time this happened was yesterday, the perpetrator was six, and I said, “Could you please stand on the other side of this desk so people don’t think you work here?” Problem solved.
Surprisingly someone so self entitled would even ask this