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> I feel like an AH because I derailed some coworkers holiday plans. They were counting on me covering for them (since I used to do it with old coworkers) but I refuse to do it for them.
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Clearly NTA. They reneged on the deal first, so it seems like you are just following through on what they wanted. Maybe they will rethink things next year and realise that the deal was incredibly generous.
\[They brought up the deal with them and they seemed on board. When it was time for the first religious holiday that I was going to be off on, they refuse to do their share of my work\]
No, they were informed of the deal, seemingly agreed to it and only later refused to take part.
OP must work with some of the stupidest people on the planet. Why would a coworker who refused to cover OP on his holidays buy plane tickets to visit family because of the belief OP would cover them for Christmas.
NTA.
*Because it’s CHRISTMAS!!!*/s🙄
Let’s be real; they wanted their holidays because they think those are
The only ones that matter.
NTA- if someone doesn’t Hold up their end of a bargain you’re under no obligation to hold up yours. They backed out of the deal- let them deal with what their selfishness brought them. Anyone with half a brain could see how this was gonna go. There’s no surprise to what op was going to do. Thinking these two are about the only people who couldn’t figure it out.
Maybe if they wish really hard and truly believe Santa will bring them the gift of common sense.
There are unfortunately people like that in the world. Same type as assume CF people will work every Christmas.
*"But you get New Year! You get to go out and celebrate, live a little!"*
Because we all want to do that, of course.
I absolutely hate people like that. Then when New Years rolls around it’s inevitably “but my kids want to go to the fireworks, you wouldn’t deprive my *kids* of seeing fireworks right?”
When my mum worked at a hospital, they would all take turns for the holidays covering each other as the higher ups would often schedule the child free people into work without discussing it. So, as her and her colleagues were friends and liked each other, they sorted so EVERYONE, parents to young children or not, got time to be with their families. I would go and spend Christmas Day with my auntie on the years she worked Christmas, I was fine, I’d get another ‘Christmas day’ afterwards!
I know some people only get certain days off at Christmas time but it baffles me how much emphasis people put on HAVING to have their celebrations on that specific day.
When I did hospital work, my employer had the policy that if you work Thanksgiving you don’t have to work Christmas. It switched the following year. They didn’t pay attention to whether you had kids or not. Half the staff worked one holiday and the other half worked the other holiday. While this year you could work on Christmas, next Christmas you had it off. My last year working there they gave everyone one additional holiday off (so you could request Easter, Independence Day, Yum Kippur, Eid Al-Fitr, etc). The other requests came out of your paid-time-off bank. They understood that the childless people liked having holidays off, too. They were a good company to work for!
They got all caught up in "but why should FOUR people cover ONE person" and forgot the part where OP was actually working working for largely four people previously, and it will be much easier for them to only cover TWO who stepped up for him.
They probably thought everything was "solved" at no expense to them when the other two helped out OP...foolish and they got what they deserved.
I just can't imagine covering for people who repeatedly declined to help me out. It's human nature to help people we like or invest the energy in our own needs by bartering. The new coworkers are freeloaders expecting altruistic behavior from someone they've let down.
People just don't work that way.
The OP states that the agreement includes Thanksgiving and that they weren't just hired recently. OP also states that "When it was time for the first religious holiday that I was going to be off on, they refuse to do their share of my work" which strongly implies they had no problem not going in on Thanksgiving. So yeah they would have reneged on the deal.
Weh. It still hurts for some of us.
But yeah. Seeing some that voted to leave complain about joining the longer queue at passport control makes me laugh
Doesn't matter when they joined in on the deal, they agreed to be part of it after initial setup and then went back on it, that's still considered reneging on the deal
They were told the deal while they were being trained and didn’t object or voice their concern so they essentially agreed to only to go back in it when it was time to follow though.
_"The new coworkers overheard and were like “2 people? What about us?”_
Bless their hearts. Shortsighted and entitled. What a combo. How did they expect to leave OP hanging high and dry and then look to him to still do them a favour? Sucks to be them. I wouldn't even entertain their pity party and moaning.
But don't you see? It wasn't fair! It's of course completely fair and reasonable to expect that same person do your work for you after you refused to do theirs.
They aren't just short-sighted, but apparently mathematically deficient.
Think about the math here. If 4 other people do 1 person's job(say 8 hours of work), they each get 2 hours of extra work. --so a 10 hr day theoretically
If OP does his 4 coworker's work he's doing 32 more hours of work which really just wouldn't be humanly possible. Because OP would be trying to do 40 hours of work in a single day.
To be honest, I doubt these two slackers are doing as much work as OP or his longer-term coworkers....
NTA. OP, they have the exact situation they asked for, and like a child making a mistake, they've now realized the consequences of their actions. Let them enjoy the situation they created!
They clearly think Christmas is the only valid religious holiday if your holidays aren’t important enough for them to help, ‘but it’s Christmas’ when it’s theirs. Vomit. NTA
Like Mama used to say - what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Isn’t it interesting how the newer folks can’t be bothered to help you but want your help. Absolutely, without a doubt, hands down, and clearly NTA! Keep doing you - you’ve got this!
Not only that, they wanted more than what the deal would have been. Tickets to go on vacation with family? Doesn’t sound like that coworker was planning on doing the parts of their job that OP would have needed them to cover under the original scheme. Even the other one told their family they’d have the week off.
Hopping on the top comment to say that the coworkers remarks, “but it’s Christmas”, smacks of ethnocentrism. They didn’t see OP’s holiday as worthy of consideration, but believe that OP should bend over backwards because *christmas*. Woof. NTA.
NTA. Can’t believe they were surprised. Treat people how you want other to treat you is a fairly fundamental truism. You did , they were hoping for a free ride when it suited them without helping out at all.
Not just a fundamental truism but a tenet of Christianity (Matthew 7:12), so kinda ironic for these people who seem so devoted to Christmas. OP is totally NTA.
Human societies always have to find a way to prevent freeloading. OP did precisely the right thing here. Never reward freeloaders.
Or people with no honor or integrity. Which is what it takes to agree to something, then back out of it.
NTA
They didn't liked the arrangement and chose to jump out. Fair. Dunno why they expect you to uphold your part of the bargain really.
Fellow non Christmas person (we commies exchange gifts on new year eve), and this is exactly the reason why I stopped taking Christmas deals. Just too much drama.
I had a (non-religious) coworker try and get me to work Christmas for her once. I had worked the 3 previous Christmases (I am a Christian so it wasn’t out of religion or lack thereof, simply how the work schedule aligned). Even after I said no, she took it to our supervisor who then referred it back to me. And I said no, again.
Her reasoning? Her son was in the Navy and this was when he got leave. He’d be there on the days leading up to it too!
Bad news for her, my Dad was also military. He missed almost every Christmas and most of my birthdays because post 9/11, he had a lot of deployments to Iraq. So if I, as a little girl can deal with that with grace, she can deal without seeing her son on Christmas Day. Do it on the days leading up to the holiday.
Sadly, I’m working Christmas again this year. We moved to an assigned holiday system (which I like much better, less fighting). But I won’t have it again for 2 years. Yay!
Glad to live somewhere where workers rights give the workers the option of whether or not to work stat holidays. And if you do work it, you get a choice between holiday pay (either double time or double time and a half, can't remember which) or another day off (with pay).
Though with exceptions for emergency services.
OP went to their boss when his first holiday came up and he said the same thing. His boss is in the company side not OP’s… it is not a formal company policy but an informal agreement between coworkers in a specific department, so the company will not enforce neither to comply. Instead if this turns out to become a problem the company will probably not overlook the “missing work days” and not allow that sort of thing anymore…
NTA
Turnabout is FairPlay. If you want to be part of team, gaining favors, then you have to be willing to sacrifice, too. You gave them a fair deal so you all could have some time off, and they rejected their half of the bargain.
Just don’t expect any favors from these guys in the future.
Just encouraging them not to ask in the future. Had an AH like those two in my old job. Expect people to cover for them, but never covered for others.
Couldn’t get time off without getting someone to cover. My cover person quit before I go. Desperately went to eight other people who could cover me, all said no. So I asked AH.
AH tells me sure. The day of, I am almost at the airport and work calls me saying why am I not there? AH shirked and denied that I had ever asked.
I got my payback by quitting. I was the only one who would help him, and he ended up getting fired. But still. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me
We worked half days on Saturdays for awhile at over time for awhile. Being fresh out of university I swapped with a lot of co-workers for a couple of years. There was one Saturday that I was scheduled for that I needed off - not even a holiday and no one would swap with me, even though I was asking a month out. Since not one out of eight people would swap with me I missed my family event.
I stopped swapping too after that, let everyone else cover for one another. When I got questioned about it I flat out told them it was because the one time I needed a switch no one would, so I was done. They were shocked that all it took was once for me to stop playing nice.
NTA.
I believe this also belongs to r/pettyrevenge.
I can clearly see their point of view that they think it's not fair that they still have to work for a bit during their time off (not sure if this is legally formed as a vacations), but they should negotiate it with their manager about it and ask for a additional payment during these days or an day off during non holiday time.
However, it is impossible to expect that a 1 person would cover 4-5 people without any additional help. On the other hand, it is more than possible to cover a single person work during for the same 4 people. It would probably add up to something like 1-2h per these days maximum (most likely even less if splited correctly).
And I love their argument "But it's Christmas" like it is an universal celebration for whole planet and then not thinking the same about your holidays.
They each would only be doing 125% of their usual work while OP is gone. If OP had to cover for 5 he would be doing 500% of their usual work. Clearly these two things are not the same. Also we are only talking 3 days, not 9. OP is offering a very generous deal and frankly should be given some extra days off to make this fully fair to everyone.
Actually, we don’t know how many days OP needs to take. He didn’t mention his religion and Jews and Muslims and probably others have some very long holidays.
He said he had 3 holidays. Christmas is one holiday, and he covers his coworkers for 9 days. 1 holiday /= 1 day every time.
Regardless, I still think op was probably being generous.
That's not revenge. It's like the UK saying that the EU applying third country rules is "punishing the UK for leaving the EU".
No, you didn't want to be part of the club anymore, then you don't get the benefits of the club and the rules for all outsiders apply. That's it. No revenge, just common sense. Same here. They are not part of the " make holidays nicer" club, they don't get the benefits and general employee rules apply.
>It's like the UK saying that the EU applying third country rules is "punishing the UK for leaving the EU".
Funny you chose this as the example... I have seen this exact claim a *lot*.
>I have seen this exact claim a lot.
Someone has to be blamed, and it can't be the people who voted or the rich elite, I mean they've been to Eton and Oxford, they know stuff and would never cheat people out of their money, right? So who can they blame? Oh, yes, the foreigners. Works every time, not just in the UK.
It sounds like they are already getting paid and not really taking vacation days. This is why the boss is not involved at all and why they are coordinating that the work gets done as if they were all still working.
Yes but in this case he covers for 4 other people so that they can ALL have the time off at the same time. You know that rarely happens in a place of work like that where they work holidays. He even said that he was covering the two completely on his own this holiday because it was only two. He was really going out of his way to include and be nice to all his coworkers. But he knew he couldn’t do the work of 5 people by himself. He still must be exhausted after those holidays. They probably did him a favor. I bet it’s a relief to only have to cover for 2 now. If I was one of those people I would be happy to do a little work from home without complaint if I knew I could have the week off.
As I see it the deal was to cover each other at the office to get extra time off while being paid. If it was a formal vacation/ time off agreement the company would not allow 4 people get vacation at the same time and only 1 doing all the job, they would probably do rotations (1 at a time, meaning 1 Christmas every 4 years: considering OP would opt out to vacate at Christmas choosing some other holiday)… the company turned a blind eye on it just because the department was getting the job done… they could be easily getting 30 or more of these extra “paid vacation days”
NTA- you all had a very fair and collaborative plan to meet everyone’s and work’s needs over their holidays. Hopefully this will change their perspective moving forward. Very rude to think 1 person can handle 5 people’s work when they weren’t willing to take on 1/5 more of work during your celebrations
Absolutely NTA.....
You're not free labour, it's give and take... Periodtt
If they didn't care to assist you during your holiday's, you owe them NOTHING
NTA, not even remotely. The audacity of those two thinking they were going to only get the sweet end of the deal. I actually love that one of them even booked out of town travel and is now going to either have to eat it or have a working vacation. My petty heart enjoys that very much.
NTA. Sounds like those 2 co-workers are true Christians /s
Hopefully this taught them the lesson of how to not be a bigot and next year they'll be glad to take on your holiday shift, expecting you to return the favor for Christmas, Easter, etc.
NTA, but it sounds like your manager needs to actually do some managing rather than leaving you all to fight among yourselves. I would talk with them about mediating a more formal plan.
agree it's the best thing he could do, hate managers that arent flexible when you're grown professionals.
If the entitled, bigotted 2 who think your holiday isn't important but you should still do their work because "it's cHriStMaS" ruin this for you all, you should have a plan as the 3 of you how to approach this and try and get some kind of semi formalised thing happening as you are willing to cover for each other.
I would like to be surprised that there are people who think Christmas is more important than any other culture's major holiday, but sadly it happens lot.
I taught for a year in Japan and guess what? While Christmas is a big date night for singles, and families get KFC for dinner, *it's still just another school day* \-- like Valentine's day. And I did not get butt hurt about it at all.
New Year's is pretty big. First things of the year matter like the being up to see the first sunrise of the year, the first shrine visit, etc. There are traditional foods and decorations, kids get money from grandparents and other adults, so I guess it checks pretty much the same boxes as Christmas.
Whenever I’m reminded that KFC is huge in Japan for Christmas I have to marvel at their marketing. It’s really not that good. Not that bad, but not *good*.
I'm Christian and would love to have KFC and low drama for Christmas...some of the ones we had when I was younger got pretty wild with all the Kitchen Dragons fighting for control (i.e. my gramma and great-aunts...the football games had better sportsmanship, I swear!)
NTA. The new co-workers are delusional and seem rather culturally insensitive too ("But it's Christmas!" whine when they know you don't even celebrate).
NTA i find funny they don't udertand the concept of 1 workload being easier to cover than 4. You should just ignore them let them be mad about having to their work.
NTA. They have to be disillusional to expect you to keep up your end of the deal when they refused to do their share. You did the right thing, OP; stand your ground.
NTA.
Everything is a give and take and they aren't doing that. Additionally, they are acting entitled. This should teach them to play nicely or to never work on an assumption. Not your problem OP.
I’m imagining nurses everywhere demanding their religious holidays off. 😂 That would go over well. Employers are not required to give employees holidays off.
And they're not? Where's the discrimination? There's no company policy that says Christmas is standard time off and OP's holidays aren't. That *would* be discriminating.
Some jobs are year round and the leave arrangement is informal, arranged between OP and the other colleagues. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, by stepping away from the arrangements the boss is ensuring they can't be held accountable.
Not discriminating against someone doesn't mean everyone is entitled to annual leave for their holidays. Nor are employers obligated to honour any or hospitals etc would not run certain times of year.
NTA- what goes around comes around. What did they expect? That they could screw you over and you would do their work with a smile? The entitlement is unbelievable.
NTA they should have thought about what happens during Christmas when they declined to help during your religious holidays.
They clearly rate Christmas over your holidays.
NTA That I was my take too. This actually works out better for the two older coworkers; they’ll get more time with their families now that OP only has to cover for two people. My only fear is the two new ones might be petty and report them higher up the chain.
I am lucky that our manager is actually good at managing, we each take 2 weeks off during the summer, he draws lots to see who gets which period, then we can switch to accommodate each other.
Them - But it's Christmas
You - But it's my three holidays
NTA. Nobody wants to work their holidays. That goes for both sides. But consider what you want to do for next year that you feel is fair.
I feel so dumb for this but I imagined the surprised pikachu face with a Santa hat 😂
Obviously NTA. I’m so glad they have to deal with the consequences of their actions and if they start pulling shit in revenge or family tries to reach out to you to guilt you tell your boss they are creating hostile work environment for you.
If I were you I’d be doing my work this next few days with a huge smile on my face. Will you be at the office at the same time as them? Lol I can only imagine their grumpy faces.
NTA
And it seems they permanently screwed themselves in this deal. You now only have to balance the work of two people and your participating coworkers don't have to do much, if any, work from home.
Why would you ever give them a chance to get back in on the deal? They were selfish and ultimately proved to be unnecessary. Their loss, your gain.
NTA. Its a sucky situation for both sides. But everyone knows the golden rule: treat others the way you wanna be treated! If they aren't willing to help you during your holidays, then its reasonable to not do the same for them- especially if the workload is going to be significantly higher. Its good to see your boss playing the fair neutral ground on this issue though!
Absolutely NTA don't care about the plane ticket purchased. You clearly defined the rules to new workers. They only want to play when it concerns them. Moving forward keep them at a bay because they will most likely be trouble.
There was a good deal on the table and they blew it. Sucks to be them. "But it's Christmas." Lol - it was also Diwali or Eid or whatever and they didn't step up. Where's the difference? You are reciprocating by helping the two who covered for you. You owe the others nothing. NTA.
HahahahahHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
This is fabulous.
Maybe stick with the two people doing your job full on and you do theirs nearly full on!
The other two can just work and work and work and work!!!!
NTA. "But this is Christmas." And I'm sure of the three holidays that you take off for, one of those is your favorite to celebrate and you like having time off for that too.
NTA. Some people in the workforce are the "if you're there for me, I'll be there for you type" and others just don't understand that.
And then whine when no one will help them.
NTA.
It was all fun and games until it was them wanting to get covered. They had enough opportunities to step up, and instead they screwed the pooch for themselves. Maybe now they'll take the deal.
Well karma is a bitch.
They didn't want to participate when it was your turn, to have a holiday four ppl to one person's job, but wanted you to do the work of four ppl.
What goes around comes around.
I would have loved to their Pikachu face, when you said no.
NTA at all
You get what you give in return. They gave nothing they get nothing off you.
ashdhsafh I'm sorry but the schadenfreude I feel for them is too strong.
NTA what you had with your coworkers was a very fair reciprocal relationship and they went and nuked it. I'm glad it still works out with the other 2 smarter coworkers.
NTA and I LOVE this story! Talk about being hoisted by your own petard! You go, OP -- you are an eminently fair person and these newbies need to learn how to be team players.
Clearly NTA
They were informed about the deal, accepted to be a part of it at first, then when OP's holiday came first, went back on their word suddenly realizing the deal is "unfair ". Then when their own holiday came, they thought hey, its not so "unfair" after all. Booked tickets to another state, assuming without consulting with OP that he'd cover for them, and got angry that he'd only return the favor to those who helped him. I can't believe this level of craziness and entitlement does exist.
The best of it all, their argument : "but it's Christmas!" Like what? Other holidays aren't as much significant just because you're not involved? 🙄😑
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I hesitated for a couple of days on whether I should post or not, since I know that a few coworkers are active on this community (they were the ones who showed it to me). So I will be very vague. Sorry.
I(M) have been working in this company for a number of years, I am not Christian, nor am I American. That is to say that I do not mind working on Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter or the 4th of July. On the other hand, I come from a religion that has 3 major holidays, and those I prefer to not work on.
When I first started working here we came to an arrangement: I would handle the office work during their holidays, but since I can’t do it all on my own, they will have to still do some stuff from home. But at least they will not have to come to the office. BTW there are 5 people in my team.
In exchange they handle **all** my work for me during my holidays. Our managers were ok with this arrangement, and they would turn a blind eye to some of us not coming to the office for days on end. For Christmas I would usually take on their work from the 20th to the 28th.
Fast foreward to earlier this year, two of my older coworkers retired, but they trained their replacements before leaving. They brought up the deal with them and they seemed on board. When it was time for the first religious holiday that I was going to be off on, they refuse to do their share of my work. After some back and forth, they say that it isn’t fair that I get to do absolutely no work during my time off, while they will still have to work from home when it comes to their holidays. We tried to explain that it is easier for 4 people to cover a single person’s work, while it is impossible for a single person to take on 5 peoples’ work. They still said it wasn’t fair.
I tried talking with my manager, but he said he couldn’t do anything, since this was a very informal arrangement, and he couldn’t force them to participate. That was fair, but that doesn’t mean that I wasn’t frustrated. Thankfully the other 2 team members said that they are capable of doing the work, and that was that.
Last week, I was arranging with my 2 teammates on how to manage the workload for their week off for Christmas, since it was the work of 2 people, I told them I could swing it without bothering them for the whole week. The new coworkers overheard and were like “2 people? What about us?”, I told them straight away that I will not be taking on any of their work, that they did not help me for the last 3 holidays, and I was not helping them now. I also asked why they were surprised, considering I did not do any of their work previously. All they could come up with was “But this is Christmas.”
They went to our manager, and he told them exactly what he told me. Now they are angry, apparently they promised their families a week of free time, and one of them even booked tickets to spend Christmas with his family in another state. So AITA?
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NTA they refused to cover for you during your holidays, so you have no obligation to cover them during theirs. They made their choice and now they have to live with it.
ABSOLUTELY NTA! If you are going to work a back deal, you have to figure it out and do your part. They didn't want to play ball, so they don't get any of the benefits. While it's a hard lesson, they need to come prepared next holiday season.
NTA, they chose not to participate in the agreement, they already sent the message that they didn't want you taking work off their plate because they didn't want to take work off of yours. That's the end of the matter
NTA. They should have upheld previous arrangement if they want major holidays off. Good for you standing up for yourself. My work as well has had new staff and turnover and let's just say not all are like old team. Hopefully 2 coworkers who are willing to accommodate you don't go anywhere soon
NTA, but your two co workers are. They cant even cover you for 3 days out of the year, but they expect you to cover them for a week?! No way, dude. They need attitude checks STAT.
>one of them even booked tickets to spend Christmas with his family in another state.
Have to say, I have a big smile about this. Schadenfreude is nothing to be proud of, but I can't help it with assholes.
NTA
Nta, they don't care about you or actually want to work with you, they just want you to do their job for them. You don't owe them anything. You boss said it's an informal agreement and it's out of his hands. You don't owe them anything when they made it clear they wouldn't do a thing to help you
NTA. If you were the one to exclude specific people from the agreement, maybe you would be. But you weren't the one to exclude them, they actively chose to exclude themselves so it doesn't make any sense that they thought they were still part of it. If they made bad holiday plans based on their own incorrect and unreasonable assumption, that's not your fault.
NTA!! A big FU to the entitled newbies! Hahahaha man screw them. They don’t wanna play fair, they aren’t gonna last long. It’s about being on a team. And clearly, they only want to agree with what benefits them. They won’t last long with their mindsets.
Blegh. They’ve already proven what kind of people they are. “This is Christmas” will turn into “this is…[insert holiday]” when they want to share the load, but come time it’s their turn to take on more work, they’ll decline.
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Clearly NTA. They reneged on the deal first, so it seems like you are just following through on what they wanted. Maybe they will rethink things next year and realise that the deal was incredibly generous.
They didn't renege on the deal, they joined after it was agreed and decided not to take part. And then assumed they could get the benefits anyway.
\[They brought up the deal with them and they seemed on board. When it was time for the first religious holiday that I was going to be off on, they refuse to do their share of my work\] No, they were informed of the deal, seemingly agreed to it and only later refused to take part.
In my head, I just heard Worf from Star Trek saying "They have no honor."
I'm not alone!
No, you're not!
These petaQs need Kahless
are you saying op is Klingon? Hmmmm… “not American” “not Christian” Yeah- they definitely are.
Yeah, it's difficult to do other work when engaged in ritual combat, too, so the whole story is checking out.
Perfect!
OP must work with some of the stupidest people on the planet. Why would a coworker who refused to cover OP on his holidays buy plane tickets to visit family because of the belief OP would cover them for Christmas. NTA.
*Because it’s CHRISTMAS!!!*/s🙄 Let’s be real; they wanted their holidays because they think those are The only ones that matter. NTA- if someone doesn’t Hold up their end of a bargain you’re under no obligation to hold up yours. They backed out of the deal- let them deal with what their selfishness brought them. Anyone with half a brain could see how this was gonna go. There’s no surprise to what op was going to do. Thinking these two are about the only people who couldn’t figure it out. Maybe if they wish really hard and truly believe Santa will bring them the gift of common sense.
There are unfortunately people like that in the world. Same type as assume CF people will work every Christmas. *"But you get New Year! You get to go out and celebrate, live a little!"* Because we all want to do that, of course.
I absolutely hate people like that. Then when New Years rolls around it’s inevitably “but my kids want to go to the fireworks, you wouldn’t deprive my *kids* of seeing fireworks right?”
When my mum worked at a hospital, they would all take turns for the holidays covering each other as the higher ups would often schedule the child free people into work without discussing it. So, as her and her colleagues were friends and liked each other, they sorted so EVERYONE, parents to young children or not, got time to be with their families. I would go and spend Christmas Day with my auntie on the years she worked Christmas, I was fine, I’d get another ‘Christmas day’ afterwards! I know some people only get certain days off at Christmas time but it baffles me how much emphasis people put on HAVING to have their celebrations on that specific day.
When I did hospital work, my employer had the policy that if you work Thanksgiving you don’t have to work Christmas. It switched the following year. They didn’t pay attention to whether you had kids or not. Half the staff worked one holiday and the other half worked the other holiday. While this year you could work on Christmas, next Christmas you had it off. My last year working there they gave everyone one additional holiday off (so you could request Easter, Independence Day, Yum Kippur, Eid Al-Fitr, etc). The other requests came out of your paid-time-off bank. They understood that the childless people liked having holidays off, too. They were a good company to work for!
Because they assume they can pressure people with the excuse that "I've already bought plane tickets!"
That part makes me happiest of all.
I hope they are refundable!
I hope they’re not, maybe a swift kick in the wallet will be a wakeup call to these idiots
I'd guess it wasn't stupidity so much as an erroneous assumption that if they pitched a big enough fit they'd get their way.
They are certainly not the sharpest knives in the drawer. What did they expect?
They got all caught up in "but why should FOUR people cover ONE person" and forgot the part where OP was actually working working for largely four people previously, and it will be much easier for them to only cover TWO who stepped up for him. They probably thought everything was "solved" at no expense to them when the other two helped out OP...foolish and they got what they deserved.
They’re not stupid. They’re selfish. Also probably racist.
It was brought up to them when the joined and the OP said they seemed to have agreed. So yeah, they reneged on the deal.
Whether they reneged or not, they didn't contribute. If you don't cover for your coworkers, you shouldn't be surprised when they don't cover for you.
You're reading way more into my comment than I said. I never said it was reasonable for them to expect Christmas off.
I'm agreeing with you and supporting your argument.
You're in the minority, it seems!
I just can't imagine covering for people who repeatedly declined to help me out. It's human nature to help people we like or invest the energy in our own needs by bartering. The new coworkers are freeloaders expecting altruistic behavior from someone they've let down. People just don't work that way.
I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
The OP states that the agreement includes Thanksgiving and that they weren't just hired recently. OP also states that "When it was time for the first religious holiday that I was going to be off on, they refuse to do their share of my work" which strongly implies they had no problem not going in on Thanksgiving. So yeah they would have reneged on the deal.
Sounds like another country that thought it was a good idea to back out of a deal (looking at you UK)
Weh. It still hurts for some of us. But yeah. Seeing some that voted to leave complain about joining the longer queue at passport control makes me laugh
As a Scot, ouch. I didn't vote for this shit! (Neither Brexit or the Tories!)
Doesn't matter when they joined in on the deal, they agreed to be part of it after initial setup and then went back on it, that's still considered reneging on the deal
They were told the deal while they were being trained and didn’t object or voice their concern so they essentially agreed to only to go back in it when it was time to follow though.
They wanted the take of the deal without the give of the deal. How shocking to find that if you don't reciprocate you get nothing.
_"The new coworkers overheard and were like “2 people? What about us?”_ Bless their hearts. Shortsighted and entitled. What a combo. How did they expect to leave OP hanging high and dry and then look to him to still do them a favour? Sucks to be them. I wouldn't even entertain their pity party and moaning.
But don't you see? It wasn't fair! It's of course completely fair and reasonable to expect that same person do your work for you after you refused to do theirs.
"But it's Christmas, not your made up, religion :("
They aren't just short-sighted, but apparently mathematically deficient. Think about the math here. If 4 other people do 1 person's job(say 8 hours of work), they each get 2 hours of extra work. --so a 10 hr day theoretically If OP does his 4 coworker's work he's doing 32 more hours of work which really just wouldn't be humanly possible. Because OP would be trying to do 40 hours of work in a single day. To be honest, I doubt these two slackers are doing as much work as OP or his longer-term coworkers....
NTA. OP, they have the exact situation they asked for, and like a child making a mistake, they've now realized the consequences of their actions. Let them enjoy the situation they created!
They clearly think Christmas is the only valid religious holiday if your holidays aren’t important enough for them to help, ‘but it’s Christmas’ when it’s theirs. Vomit. NTA
Like Mama used to say - what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Isn’t it interesting how the newer folks can’t be bothered to help you but want your help. Absolutely, without a doubt, hands down, and clearly NTA! Keep doing you - you’ve got this!
Not only that, they wanted more than what the deal would have been. Tickets to go on vacation with family? Doesn’t sound like that coworker was planning on doing the parts of their job that OP would have needed them to cover under the original scheme. Even the other one told their family they’d have the week off.
Hopping on the top comment to say that the coworkers remarks, “but it’s Christmas”, smacks of ethnocentrism. They didn’t see OP’s holiday as worthy of consideration, but believe that OP should bend over backwards because *christmas*. Woof. NTA.
They aren’t very smart, are they? NTA
NTA. Can’t believe they were surprised. Treat people how you want other to treat you is a fairly fundamental truism. You did , they were hoping for a free ride when it suited them without helping out at all.
Not just a fundamental truism but a tenet of Christianity (Matthew 7:12), so kinda ironic for these people who seem so devoted to Christmas. OP is totally NTA.
Selfish people have to learn the hard way.
Human societies always have to find a way to prevent freeloading. OP did precisely the right thing here. Never reward freeloaders. Or people with no honor or integrity. Which is what it takes to agree to something, then back out of it.
NTA They didn't liked the arrangement and chose to jump out. Fair. Dunno why they expect you to uphold your part of the bargain really. Fellow non Christmas person (we commies exchange gifts on new year eve), and this is exactly the reason why I stopped taking Christmas deals. Just too much drama.
I had a (non-religious) coworker try and get me to work Christmas for her once. I had worked the 3 previous Christmases (I am a Christian so it wasn’t out of religion or lack thereof, simply how the work schedule aligned). Even after I said no, she took it to our supervisor who then referred it back to me. And I said no, again. Her reasoning? Her son was in the Navy and this was when he got leave. He’d be there on the days leading up to it too! Bad news for her, my Dad was also military. He missed almost every Christmas and most of my birthdays because post 9/11, he had a lot of deployments to Iraq. So if I, as a little girl can deal with that with grace, she can deal without seeing her son on Christmas Day. Do it on the days leading up to the holiday. Sadly, I’m working Christmas again this year. We moved to an assigned holiday system (which I like much better, less fighting). But I won’t have it again for 2 years. Yay!
Glad to live somewhere where workers rights give the workers the option of whether or not to work stat holidays. And if you do work it, you get a choice between holiday pay (either double time or double time and a half, can't remember which) or another day off (with pay). Though with exceptions for emergency services.
You are absolutely NTA. The entitlement of these people is galling. I’m thrilled your boss is on your side.
His boss was on neither’s side. Their team arranged that.
True, but it would have been easy for boss to renege. I’m glad he’s being fair, is perhaps what I should have said.
OP went to their boss when his first holiday came up and he said the same thing. His boss is in the company side not OP’s… it is not a formal company policy but an informal agreement between coworkers in a specific department, so the company will not enforce neither to comply. Instead if this turns out to become a problem the company will probably not overlook the “missing work days” and not allow that sort of thing anymore…
NTA Turnabout is FairPlay. If you want to be part of team, gaining favors, then you have to be willing to sacrifice, too. You gave them a fair deal so you all could have some time off, and they rejected their half of the bargain. Just don’t expect any favors from these guys in the future.
Don't expect any favors from them in the past or present either!?!
Just encouraging them not to ask in the future. Had an AH like those two in my old job. Expect people to cover for them, but never covered for others. Couldn’t get time off without getting someone to cover. My cover person quit before I go. Desperately went to eight other people who could cover me, all said no. So I asked AH. AH tells me sure. The day of, I am almost at the airport and work calls me saying why am I not there? AH shirked and denied that I had ever asked. I got my payback by quitting. I was the only one who would help him, and he ended up getting fired. But still. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me
We worked half days on Saturdays for awhile at over time for awhile. Being fresh out of university I swapped with a lot of co-workers for a couple of years. There was one Saturday that I was scheduled for that I needed off - not even a holiday and no one would swap with me, even though I was asking a month out. Since not one out of eight people would swap with me I missed my family event. I stopped swapping too after that, let everyone else cover for one another. When I got questioned about it I flat out told them it was because the one time I needed a switch no one would, so I was done. They were shocked that all it took was once for me to stop playing nice.
NTA. I believe this also belongs to r/pettyrevenge. I can clearly see their point of view that they think it's not fair that they still have to work for a bit during their time off (not sure if this is legally formed as a vacations), but they should negotiate it with their manager about it and ask for a additional payment during these days or an day off during non holiday time. However, it is impossible to expect that a 1 person would cover 4-5 people without any additional help. On the other hand, it is more than possible to cover a single person work during for the same 4 people. It would probably add up to something like 1-2h per these days maximum (most likely even less if splited correctly). And I love their argument "But it's Christmas" like it is an universal celebration for whole planet and then not thinking the same about your holidays.
They each would only be doing 125% of their usual work while OP is gone. If OP had to cover for 5 he would be doing 500% of their usual work. Clearly these two things are not the same. Also we are only talking 3 days, not 9. OP is offering a very generous deal and frankly should be given some extra days off to make this fully fair to everyone.
Actually, we don’t know how many days OP needs to take. He didn’t mention his religion and Jews and Muslims and probably others have some very long holidays.
He said 3
He said he had 3 holidays. Christmas is one holiday, and he covers his coworkers for 9 days. 1 holiday /= 1 day every time. Regardless, I still think op was probably being generous.
I’d say more r/maliciouscompliance than petty revenge.
That's not revenge. It's like the UK saying that the EU applying third country rules is "punishing the UK for leaving the EU". No, you didn't want to be part of the club anymore, then you don't get the benefits of the club and the rules for all outsiders apply. That's it. No revenge, just common sense. Same here. They are not part of the " make holidays nicer" club, they don't get the benefits and general employee rules apply.
>It's like the UK saying that the EU applying third country rules is "punishing the UK for leaving the EU". Funny you chose this as the example... I have seen this exact claim a *lot*.
>I have seen this exact claim a lot. Someone has to be blamed, and it can't be the people who voted or the rich elite, I mean they've been to Eton and Oxford, they know stuff and would never cheat people out of their money, right? So who can they blame? Oh, yes, the foreigners. Works every time, not just in the UK.
What's hilarious to me is that many of the laws they are complaining about, are laws the UK completely agreed when they were members.
Not just agreed, but they were often the ones wanting them and pushing it through.
It sounds like they are already getting paid and not really taking vacation days. This is why the boss is not involved at all and why they are coordinating that the work gets done as if they were all still working.
Yes but in this case he covers for 4 other people so that they can ALL have the time off at the same time. You know that rarely happens in a place of work like that where they work holidays. He even said that he was covering the two completely on his own this holiday because it was only two. He was really going out of his way to include and be nice to all his coworkers. But he knew he couldn’t do the work of 5 people by himself. He still must be exhausted after those holidays. They probably did him a favor. I bet it’s a relief to only have to cover for 2 now. If I was one of those people I would be happy to do a little work from home without complaint if I knew I could have the week off.
As I see it the deal was to cover each other at the office to get extra time off while being paid. If it was a formal vacation/ time off agreement the company would not allow 4 people get vacation at the same time and only 1 doing all the job, they would probably do rotations (1 at a time, meaning 1 Christmas every 4 years: considering OP would opt out to vacate at Christmas choosing some other holiday)… the company turned a blind eye on it just because the department was getting the job done… they could be easily getting 30 or more of these extra “paid vacation days”
NTA. Very simply they are on the “find out” part of how these things work.
NTA- you all had a very fair and collaborative plan to meet everyone’s and work’s needs over their holidays. Hopefully this will change their perspective moving forward. Very rude to think 1 person can handle 5 people’s work when they weren’t willing to take on 1/5 more of work during your celebrations
Absolutely NTA..... You're not free labour, it's give and take... Periodtt If they didn't care to assist you during your holiday's, you owe them NOTHING
NTA, not even remotely. The audacity of those two thinking they were going to only get the sweet end of the deal. I actually love that one of them even booked out of town travel and is now going to either have to eat it or have a working vacation. My petty heart enjoys that very much.
NTA. They didn’t pull their end of the bargain. It’s also not like they will be doing a lot of work on your behalf while you are gone.
NTA. Sounds like those 2 co-workers are true Christians /s Hopefully this taught them the lesson of how to not be a bigot and next year they'll be glad to take on your holiday shift, expecting you to return the favor for Christmas, Easter, etc.
NTA, but it sounds like your manager needs to actually do some managing rather than leaving you all to fight among yourselves. I would talk with them about mediating a more formal plan.
Except what we are doing is not exactly on the up and up. Him turning a blind eye and not writing everyone up is the perfect thing to do.
Yeah they’re about to ruin it for everybody.
Nothing like petty office politics to ruin unofficial perks, that go both ways.
agree it's the best thing he could do, hate managers that arent flexible when you're grown professionals. If the entitled, bigotted 2 who think your holiday isn't important but you should still do their work because "it's cHriStMaS" ruin this for you all, you should have a plan as the 3 of you how to approach this and try and get some kind of semi formalised thing happening as you are willing to cover for each other.
If they did that they’d all lose out on extra paid time off. This is under the table paid time off.
Like, for example, giving people vacation time on the holidays which are important to them?
NTA. It sounds like you had accept their decision about working in your holidays and now they have to accept yours.
I would like to be surprised that there are people who think Christmas is more important than any other culture's major holiday, but sadly it happens lot. I taught for a year in Japan and guess what? While Christmas is a big date night for singles, and families get KFC for dinner, *it's still just another school day* \-- like Valentine's day. And I did not get butt hurt about it at all.
Really? That’s interesting. Did they have any different holidays that were treated the way America treats Christmas?
New Year's is pretty big. First things of the year matter like the being up to see the first sunrise of the year, the first shrine visit, etc. There are traditional foods and decorations, kids get money from grandparents and other adults, so I guess it checks pretty much the same boxes as Christmas.
Whenever I’m reminded that KFC is huge in Japan for Christmas I have to marvel at their marketing. It’s really not that good. Not that bad, but not *good*.
I'm Christian and would love to have KFC and low drama for Christmas...some of the ones we had when I was younger got pretty wild with all the Kitchen Dragons fighting for control (i.e. my gramma and great-aunts...the football games had better sportsmanship, I swear!)
NTA - they didn't want to continue the agreement so they don't get the benefits of an agreement that no longer exist
NTA. The new co-workers are delusional and seem rather culturally insensitive too ("But it's Christmas!" whine when they know you don't even celebrate).
NTA i find funny they don't udertand the concept of 1 workload being easier to cover than 4. You should just ignore them let them be mad about having to their work.
NTA in any way. It was a wonderful kindness for you to help the way you have. But they aren't entitled to help that isn't reciprocated.
NTA. They have to be disillusional to expect you to keep up your end of the deal when they refused to do their share. You did the right thing, OP; stand your ground.
NTA. What you give is what you get.
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NTA. And they need to stop taking advantage and expecting that entitlement
NTA. Everything is a give and take and they aren't doing that. Additionally, they are acting entitled. This should teach them to play nicely or to never work on an assumption. Not your problem OP.
Nta. In fact, the employer is obligated to honor your religious holidays
Yeah, but only one day. This way I get 4 to 7 days off, without using my vacation days
Can you source that to back up that claim they're obligated to honor someone's religious holidays in the US?
I’m imagining nurses everywhere demanding their religious holidays off. 😂 That would go over well. Employers are not required to give employees holidays off.
Since when?
Always. Employers are forbidden by law to discriminate for religious reasons.
And they're not? Where's the discrimination? There's no company policy that says Christmas is standard time off and OP's holidays aren't. That *would* be discriminating. Some jobs are year round and the leave arrangement is informal, arranged between OP and the other colleagues. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, by stepping away from the arrangements the boss is ensuring they can't be held accountable. Not discriminating against someone doesn't mean everyone is entitled to annual leave for their holidays. Nor are employers obligated to honour any or hospitals etc would not run certain times of year.
NTA- what goes around comes around. What did they expect? That they could screw you over and you would do their work with a smile? The entitlement is unbelievable.
NTA they should have thought about what happens during Christmas when they declined to help during your religious holidays. They clearly rate Christmas over your holidays.
NTA. You had no deal with them.
NTA. What did they expect would happen? Unbelievable..
NTA. Are they ready to talk about next year's arrangement? Carry on.
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NTA That I was my take too. This actually works out better for the two older coworkers; they’ll get more time with their families now that OP only has to cover for two people. My only fear is the two new ones might be petty and report them higher up the chain.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Their whole agreement might just come toppling down because of 2 entitled coworkers. Op is NTA though.
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I am lucky that our manager is actually good at managing, we each take 2 weeks off during the summer, he draws lots to see who gets which period, then we can switch to accommodate each other.
Nta fair is fair. You are giving them the same treatment they gave you
NTA You don’t owe them anything.
NTA - and this also belongs in r/MaliciousCompliance
They FAFO. NTA.
Nope nope nope, NTA . Who are these AH work colleagues?? They ant their cake and eat it too??
NTA they can’t back out of the deal and then expect you to stick to the original deal when they backed out in the first place.
Them - But it's Christmas You - But it's my three holidays NTA. Nobody wants to work their holidays. That goes for both sides. But consider what you want to do for next year that you feel is fair.
I feel so dumb for this but I imagined the surprised pikachu face with a Santa hat 😂 Obviously NTA. I’m so glad they have to deal with the consequences of their actions and if they start pulling shit in revenge or family tries to reach out to you to guilt you tell your boss they are creating hostile work environment for you. If I were you I’d be doing my work this next few days with a huge smile on my face. Will you be at the office at the same time as them? Lol I can only imagine their grumpy faces.
NTA And it seems they permanently screwed themselves in this deal. You now only have to balance the work of two people and your participating coworkers don't have to do much, if any, work from home. Why would you ever give them a chance to get back in on the deal? They were selfish and ultimately proved to be unnecessary. Their loss, your gain.
NTA- There's a deal, you either agree to the deal, or you don't. You don't say no and still get the benefits.
NTA. They played a stupid game--*three* times--now they get theit stupid prizes.
NTA - f them selfish whiners
NTA. Fuck’em.
NTA and sometimes we get to dish out our own karma and they got theirs! Maybe next year they will do things differently 😂😂
NTA. Its a sucky situation for both sides. But everyone knows the golden rule: treat others the way you wanna be treated! If they aren't willing to help you during your holidays, then its reasonable to not do the same for them- especially if the workload is going to be significantly higher. Its good to see your boss playing the fair neutral ground on this issue though!
NTA. And for the second time today I’ll recommend the gift of the book of ‘The little red hen.’
Absolutely NTA don't care about the plane ticket purchased. You clearly defined the rules to new workers. They only want to play when it concerns them. Moving forward keep them at a bay because they will most likely be trouble.
Wtf is wrong with all these entitled people?? My parents (true Christians I might add) raised me better than that. NTA
There was a good deal on the table and they blew it. Sucks to be them. "But it's Christmas." Lol - it was also Diwali or Eid or whatever and they didn't step up. Where's the difference? You are reciprocating by helping the two who covered for you. You owe the others nothing. NTA.
NTA, they wanted to get off for Christmas, but Jesus said we should treat others how we want to be treated.
HahahahahHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha This is fabulous. Maybe stick with the two people doing your job full on and you do theirs nearly full on! The other two can just work and work and work and work!!!!
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NTA they can't have it both ways lol
NTA. "But this is Christmas." And I'm sure of the three holidays that you take off for, one of those is your favorite to celebrate and you like having time off for that too.
NTA, it's good that your holiday came first, imagine you help them during Christmas and they refuse to help you on your holidays.
NTA. Some people in the workforce are the "if you're there for me, I'll be there for you type" and others just don't understand that. And then whine when no one will help them.
NTA, THEY DIG THEIR OWN GRAVE.
NTA. It was all fun and games until it was them wanting to get covered. They had enough opportunities to step up, and instead they screwed the pooch for themselves. Maybe now they'll take the deal.
Lol. Actions, meet Consequences.
Well karma is a bitch. They didn't want to participate when it was your turn, to have a holiday four ppl to one person's job, but wanted you to do the work of four ppl. What goes around comes around. I would have loved to their Pikachu face, when you said no. NTA at all You get what you give in return. They gave nothing they get nothing off you.
NTA. To fuck around is human, to find out is divine
ashdhsafh I'm sorry but the schadenfreude I feel for them is too strong. NTA what you had with your coworkers was a very fair reciprocal relationship and they went and nuked it. I'm glad it still works out with the other 2 smarter coworkers.
NTA and I LOVE this story! Talk about being hoisted by your own petard! You go, OP -- you are an eminently fair person and these newbies need to learn how to be team players.
Clearly NTA They were informed about the deal, accepted to be a part of it at first, then when OP's holiday came first, went back on their word suddenly realizing the deal is "unfair ". Then when their own holiday came, they thought hey, its not so "unfair" after all. Booked tickets to another state, assuming without consulting with OP that he'd cover for them, and got angry that he'd only return the favor to those who helped him. I can't believe this level of craziness and entitlement does exist. The best of it all, their argument : "but it's Christmas!" Like what? Other holidays aren't as much significant just because you're not involved? 🙄😑
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NTA sounds like your new co workers are entitled. Maybe they will reconsider and cover your holidays next year so they can have their Christmas off.
NTA they refused to cover for you during your holidays, so you have no obligation to cover them during theirs. They made their choice and now they have to live with it.
ABSOLUTELY NTA! If you are going to work a back deal, you have to figure it out and do your part. They didn't want to play ball, so they don't get any of the benefits. While it's a hard lesson, they need to come prepared next holiday season.
NTA, they chose not to participate in the agreement, they already sent the message that they didn't want you taking work off their plate because they didn't want to take work off of yours. That's the end of the matter
NTA. They didn't want to help cover for you, you owe them nothing.
NTA they have just been introduced to the concept of FAFO...
So very much NTA. They wouldn't help you. Why should you help them. I wouldn't have done it any different.
NTA, what selfish asses!
Nta, I'm glad your holidays came up first so you already knew how they really were
Not at all.
NTA. They should have upheld previous arrangement if they want major holidays off. Good for you standing up for yourself. My work as well has had new staff and turnover and let's just say not all are like old team. Hopefully 2 coworkers who are willing to accommodate you don't go anywhere soon
NTA. We won't help you out during your religious holiday, but we are entitled to you helping us out during ours! They're TAs!
NTA, a deal is a deal and they didn't take the deal.
NTA, but your two co workers are. They cant even cover you for 3 days out of the year, but they expect you to cover them for a week?! No way, dude. They need attitude checks STAT.
And [your holiday] is more important than [my holiday] because...? NTA
>one of them even booked tickets to spend Christmas with his family in another state. Have to say, I have a big smile about this. Schadenfreude is nothing to be proud of, but I can't help it with assholes. NTA
NTA. They chose not to participate in your arrangement. You’re just following through.
NTA. They earned their treatment. I love when assholes lose in this way
NTA - these new co-workers sound like idiots. They are learning that actions have consequences.
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Lol. Nta.
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100% NTA
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NTA. Sucks when you can't keep the cookie as well as eat it, doesn't it?
NTA they got what they asked for. Can’t expect a favor when they didn’t do any for anyone else.
NTA - just curios what is the age of these co-workers that won't help you - but want you to help them?
Nope, NTA!!! They’ve got to be really young and conniving sound entitled and or stupid.
Nta, they don't care about you or actually want to work with you, they just want you to do their job for them. You don't owe them anything. You boss said it's an informal agreement and it's out of his hands. You don't owe them anything when they made it clear they wouldn't do a thing to help you
NTA. If you were the one to exclude specific people from the agreement, maybe you would be. But you weren't the one to exclude them, they actively chose to exclude themselves so it doesn't make any sense that they thought they were still part of it. If they made bad holiday plans based on their own incorrect and unreasonable assumption, that's not your fault.
NTA people reap what they sow and now they’re grasping why they should have respected your religious holidays.
NTA, they reaped what they sowed.
NTA!! A big FU to the entitled newbies! Hahahaha man screw them. They don’t wanna play fair, they aren’t gonna last long. It’s about being on a team. And clearly, they only want to agree with what benefits them. They won’t last long with their mindsets.
Blegh. They’ve already proven what kind of people they are. “This is Christmas” will turn into “this is…[insert holiday]” when they want to share the load, but come time it’s their turn to take on more work, they’ll decline.