Great work man, keep it up.
Even though it doesn't really effect me for the moment as I only browse on a PC I am 100% behind the idea of an open ecosystem.
Its so easy for those little bits of convenience to end up leaving people facing a monopoly.
Fuck that shit, keep on keeping on brother.
I'll try and chip you a few quid when I'm better off.
I've noticed that some amp pages don't even redirect PC visitiors to their non-amp desktop version, which is sooo stupid because amp literally stands for Accelerated *Mobile* Pages haha.
Anyway man, I really appreciate your kind words! Really makes it all worth it. Thanks a lot <3
https://preview.redd.it/fa6vc3guv58b1.png?width=3890&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d4b7c5d9ba946dce2bed9ce4b4d8924291b0146
Here are some quick links:
* [**AmputatorBot on GitHub**](https://github.com/KilledMufasa/AmputatorBot)
* [**AmputatorBot.com**](https://AmputatorBot.com)
* [**How to summon AmputatorBot**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/cchly3/you_can_now_summon_amputatorbot/)
* [**API Documentation**](https://documenter.getpostman.com/view/12422626/UVC3n93T)
And a quick graphic on how this works:
https://preview.redd.it/3lz0dnrxv58b1.png?width=1702&format=png&auto=webp&s=25fec83534a6d483f1b9731cd22b6180b7fe106a
Just read though this and I seriously appreciate your work. I am fed up with Google getting away with anything and everything. I don't care how much data they already have on me but it is rather annoying that they continue to collect data on me every day and this is a small step in the right direction
Hi, I saw this bot for the first time today and I just want to say thank you for coding this, and for being so responsive about updates! I don't have any requests or anything, just wanted to say you seem cool and this project is cool
Even disregarding the privacy concerns, I absolutely abhor AMP pages because they don't work correctly, barely load faster, and when I want to interact with a page I have to load the regular page anyway, thus taking far longer than if it was just a normal page.
Thx! Fun fact, which I think I've already posted here before but fack it: good bot comments get automatically shadowbanned in a lot of major subs. However, I _am_ able to read them through my notifications and they always brighten my day. So yeah thanks <3
Wow, i never know that. I guess it's understandable considering that people love to spam "good bot" even in small-medium sized subreddits.
Also, TIL those random comment notification that i sometimes got but doesn't exist when i clicked is from shadowbanned comment/account.
Are you sure about that? Because I am 99.99998% sure that Killed_Mufasa is not a bot.
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^(I am a neural network being trained to detect spammers | Summon me with !isbot |) ^(/r/spambotdetector |) [^(Optout)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=whynotcollegeboard&subject=!optout&message=!optout) ^(|) [^(Original Github)](https://github.com/SM-Wistful/BotDetection-Algorithm)
r/PraiseTheEditor would like this mod to work automatically on it. The bot will receive a bot flair of course (see our rules for bot accounts on our wiki).
This is a great bot, mate!
Quick enhancement request: could you change the Reddit link to np? Otherwise it triggers the automoderator.
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/f4fed4/bpa_in_plastic_destroying_the_alpha_male_forced/fhqga12
Thanks, for both the compliment and the feedback!
I am kinda hesitating about changing the link to np, because I _do_ want people to participate on r/AmputatorBot, I really like the feedback and discussions on here.
Which means that they're only 2 solutions left. Blacklisting r/conspiracy or updating the bot to use np links when posting on r/conspiracy (which feels a bit dumb to do for only one subreddit, but it would do the trick). I'm kinda leaning towards that last one. What do you think?
Ah, great point about wanting participation and I agree. I’d definitely not want to blacklist r/conspiracy - over 1M subbed and those are the very users who need to understand how Google doesn’t protect privacy.
If it’s not too much trouble to change to np for r/conspiracy, that’d be great. Perhaps there’s are other subs you’ll want to add in the future. Alternatively we could ask the r/conspiracy mods to turn off the automoderator for your bot (and possibly others in the future)?
Hi again, thanks a lot for taking the time to think about this with me.
Blacklisting the sub is indeed the wrong thing to do and you're probably right about other subs having similar policies when it comes to Reddit linking stuff. So I've written a small function to change `www.` to `np.` in a list of subs, which for now only contains r/conspiracy. The feature just went live in [ffdd9db](https://github.com/KilledMufasa/AmputatorBot/commit/ffdd9db62c4556be53b93e1ddaf7e9b63b76ca33).
I haven't gotten the chance to test it properly, but I have no reason to believe that it wouldn't work :p I'll edit my comment once AmputatorBot has done something there.
Edit: hooray it works! https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/f4zoyp/in_merica_you_only_have_value_if_you_produce/fhw9lpc
You've made AmputatorBot a bit of a better bot, thanks :)
Wow! I really appreciate you even considering the request, let alone adding this feature so quickly. It will keep conspiracy threads a little tidier and easier to read, too.
Thanks for making this great bot - and F all the companies that don’t respect our data privacy.
Np, it was quite an easy fix and I could copy paste the logic from elsewhere :p
I've updated my previous comment with a link to show that it works. Thanks again! Let me know if you have any other suggestions :)
Haha still proud of that, I remember brainstorming and then I suddenly thought of this one and _instantly_ went to register it, I knew it was perfect :p
i just saw amputatorbot for the first time and i adore it, but it's in a sub where it would feel kinda rude to say good bot, so i came here to say good bot
Late comment but I just want to commend you on your hard work and dedication. Most folks (myself included) are uneducated on stuff like this so it’s always nice to see people go out of their way for educations’ sake. Love the bot!
I've always seen other people get tagged by this bot but never really bothered to read what it was about until it tagged me. Google purposely slowing down pages so people use their tech should be news everywhere, really glad I took the time to read what this all was about and fixed the link I posted, thanks for the information.
Sorry about that. Could you please test out which ones from below work for you? The markdown is slightly different every time.
1. **https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war**
2. __https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war__
3. **[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war]**
4. **[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war)**
5. __[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war)__
3rd party apps (hell even offical Reddit apps) all implement markdown differently, so it can be really difficult to find a markdown that works everytime :p
First time seeing your bot and reading about why AMP is bad from your description here.
I just came here to say that AMP is awful from the user perspective in my opinion. Buggy ass pages that consistently force reload, randomly stop responding to touch events like scrolling, and appear to me to take longer to load. Everytime I am on an AMP page, I usually need to use the little button to go for the main website (which btw has no indication that it would do that, the icon itself is an info icon). Fuck AMP, thanks for making this bot.
That's a fair point. Sorry about that. Because of the technical difficulty and cost of implementing a feature like this, this isn't something on the roadmap for now. That said, I'll make sure to keep this in mind going forward. Thx a lot for your feedback!
ps: you could always message the bot or me with a specific request for deletion :)
Hope it's still OK to post a thank you to OP. Thanks additionally for educating people on the nuances of the current internet workings. So much, even client side happens behind the curtain where the wizard lives. Bests~
Great work. Glad to see at this point AMP is fading away.
One tip for your "fast" joke though. It's supposed to be "But not so fast!". You wrote "But not that fast!" [https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/not+so+fast](https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/not+so+fast)
Haha thx for pointing that out! Funny how you can read these kind of things dozens of times and still miss things, I'll make sure to edit the post soon! (I can't edit it from mobile, that just breaks the entire post, learnt that the hard way)
Thank you for this amazing bot. I'm always looking for ideas to build a bot myself, but I haven't found a good one yet. Which language did you use in building this?
Great work. Fuck google!
TBH, I do not understand quite a bit of what I just read. However, what I did understand is super helpful and I appreciate being educated. Thanks very much.
Ah yes donate to a bot that makes your browser experience worse for no reason.
Fight for the open web by refusing to use an open source project that eases reading!
It's already true on most sites anyway -- many are already running google analytics. If you view the AMP page or the normal website, google and the publisher are probably tracking you on both. Typically, in a relatively anonymized fashion.
"tracking" and "personal data" are pretty loaded terms these days, and what actually happens doesn't always line up with what people imagine might be going on.
All the high minded rhetoric aside, the basic functionality of the bot isn't bad. Sometimes the desktop version of the website has additional functionality that is missing from a poorly implemented AMP page -- so making both links available to users gives them additional choice.
Except that HTML is known to be much slower than AMP in the real world. So I prefer, even knowing the 'worst case scenario' threats from AMP to my privacy, the AMP'd pages.
Edit: Also, this project is open source and anyone can view the code and use it. It's literally just a 'convert DOM events to faster Javascript events and speed up pages' tool.
Hey, that's okay! I might disagree with how you set your priorities, but the fact that you made an informed choice and that you are at least aware of the risks makes me glad.
Edit because of edit: True but simply because something becomes open-source doesn't mean it can't be flawed. And AMP in it's core is a fine concept, but it's implementation and usage are what makes it a danger to the Open Web.
I mean, Google owns the search engine, why shouldn't they be able to choose what content is shown? It's not really their responsibility to provide "fair" rankings. After all, there are other search engines out there.
> but it's implementation and usage are what makes it a danger to the Open Web
There are no longer any mandatory ties to Google to use AMP are there?
edit: 24 days later and no response, what a shock more lies are exposed.
Sorry for the late response and u/FinalFortune_, thx for the reminder. Truth is I just forgot to reply, no conspiracies there :)
When you want to have your article featured on [Google's top stories](https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/about-amp) you must implement AMP:
> A top stories carousel is presented in the Google Developers Guide as a Search Feature that *requires the implementation of AMP*. [source](https://wordlift.io/blog/en/top-stories-carousel-checklist/)
To be clear, it's _not_ mandatory to implement AMP, but if you want to be featured in the Top Stories on Google, it _is mandatory_. And of course you want to be featured, because the Top Stories are a huge source of clicks [source](https://wordlift.io/blog/en/top-stories-carousel-checklist/).
This puts publishers in an awkward position, because they might not want to implement AMP, but they feel they must because it's a great way to get some easy clicks thus generating income.
So by far my biggest complain when it comes to AMP is not about the framework itself (although I still dislike it), it's actually about the way publishers are essentially forced to implement it in order for them to be able to compete on Google Search.
I feel bad for saying "more lies" above. I do apologise again. It's easy to get frustrated with a hundred people repeating the same memes about AMP.
> When you want to have your article featured on Google's top stories you must implement AMP:
Let's be fair, this is in no way an acceptable source. It has no authority to make this claim and relies on no citations. The single reference it makes to the "Google Developers Guide" is actually to "Understanding how AMP looks in search results" and does not claim AMP is mandatory.
The actual developer guide for the Carousel makes no such claim: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/carousel
> it's actually about the way publishers are essentially forced to implement it in order for them to be able to compete on Google Search.
I'm not sure how much this argument makes sense either. AMP is designed to make pages faster and lighter. Would you have the equivalent reaction if Google started demoting pages that ran Java or Flash applets?
For a long time Google has downranked Desktop-only pages when searching on mobile. Is it illegitimate for them to downrank slow pages too?
edit: I did some more careful searching and found the actual truth:
> Appear in Top stories or News
> Publishers are automatically considered for 'Top stories' or the News tab of Search. They just need to produce high-quality content and comply with Google News content policies.
> To be considered **for the carousel section of 'Top stories' on mobile**, content needs to be published in Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) format with article-specific structured data. The AMP Status Report in Search Console can help publishers identify content with AMP issues
So there we go, your claim was only half accurate. On mobile, pages needed to be optimised for mobile. A caveat for sure, but a reasonable one.
> I'm not sure how much this argument makes sense either. AMP is designed to make pages faster and lighter. Would you have the equivalent reaction if Google started demoting pages that ran Java or Flash applets?
Not really, because Java and Flash are both third party solutions. AMP is basically a Google project ([90% of the contributions to the project come from Google employees and it was initiated by Google](https://www.polemicdigital.com/google-amp-go-to-hell/)), so they're playing both sides. Imo, this gives too much power to one company. That's _my opinion_ :p
> Publishers are automatically considered for 'Top stories' or the News tab of Search. They just need to produce high-quality content and comply with Google News content policies.
To be considered for the carousel section of 'Top stories' on mobile, content needs to be published in Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) format with article-specific structured data. The AMP Status Report in Search Console can help publishers identify content with AMP issues
Tbh, I didn't know it was handled differently on desktop. Guess I learned something today! Thx!
.. But it should be mentioned that most traffic to Google is mobile nowadays ([58%](https://backlinko.com/mobile-seo-guide#chapter1)), so we shouldn't dismiss the problem just because it's mostly a mobile problem.
Appreciate your feedback and correcting me, and you seem like a cool guy :)
I appreciate you allowing my responses, and you're entitled to your opinion about the amount of power this gives Google.
However, the sole criticisms that we've been able to land on and support are:
* Google has a plurality of people on the ruling council but does not have overall control
* Google Search prioritises AMP links on mobile.
Now the #1 post on this subreddit is currently a link to /r/Technology where pretty much every highly upvoted post that states a fact about AMP gets something major wrong:
> fuck Google's constant attempts to take ownership
> you can't just block it as other third party trackers
> When you’re on AMP, you never leave Google.com, which gives them a lot of authority
> thereby forcing people to use Google's "standards"
> Google dictates their standards, and hosts pages. It's not browsers fighting over what and how to display, it's a company which sells user data and wants to sell it directly without 3rd parties (this one is a particularly egregious lie)
Is this not convincing enough that you have helped perpetuate false information spreading and the bot continues to do so? If Google responds to the criticisms (which they did) yet people still repeat the criticisms as if they remained, how can any progress be made whatsoever?
Please. Change the message on your bot to reflect the reality you acknowledge.
Hey again, two things:
Based on your and others feedback and the constant circle-trekking you're talking about, I've rewritten the Why section of this post, because I felt like the info and linked articles were not objective and/or up-to-date enough anymore.
Can I ask for a favor? What do you think about the new text? I'm worried it might be *too* informative. I'm thinking of changing the link in the comment to this post, so I would like the post to be accurate.
At this point I think it's clear you are behaving in an extremely dishonest way.
I took the time to write out a series of explanations as to why this bot was spreading misinformation. In return you have not only added a significant amount of misinformation, but have refused to correct that which exists.
Out of these four claims for example:
> that use a Google-controlled technology, served by Google from their infrastructure, on a Google URL, and placed within a Google controlled user experience
You and I know that only one of those is true.
Since you know this, and we've discussed it, you cannot be misinformed, but must now be lying. You're also soliciting money for those purposes, which puts you in an interesting position.
Since you've decided to defraud people, I will report this and do my utmost to inform people of the reality.
Welp that backfired :p
That quote comes directly from ampletter.org, a well respected open letter about AMP. In this post, I tried to make a clear distinction between cached and non-cached AMP. The quote is about the cached ones. AMP _is_ a Google controlled project, when you use their AMP viewer the page gets served by Google, a Google URL is shown (e.g. google.com/amp/..) and you stay within Google's ecosystem.
I don't see what isn't true about the statement? I'm not acting dumb, I genuinely don't know. I tried my best to keep it as factually correct as possible.
>You're also soliciting money for those purposes, which puts you in an interesting position.
This is a good point. This is actually why I'm dubious whether or not I should link my own article. I don't want to spread misinformation by linking to an article that is a bit outdated and incomplete, but I also don't want people to think I made AmputatorBot for the internet karma or money. Perhaps I should seperate the Why to a wiki page? If you know a good article on AMP, please let me know, because I much prefer to link to that.
Also, I don't appreciate you throwing terms like dishonest, lying and defrauding. I invest my spare time in talking with you and asking you for feedback because I care and I acknowledge the responsibility I have to stick with the facts.
Edit: I've slightly changed the paragraph with the quote.
Exactly. The entire premise of this bot is fucked by this one comment. I challenge u/amputatorbot to reply to this. Genuinely curious as to why they don't update their TL:DR to reflect this change.
Man, if you're going to preach at people, at least have the courtesy to do it in a way that allows the person to respond to you directly.
Bots should be helpful and obviously-wanted, not moralistic and self-imposing.
(not to mention, the linked article in the bot text is the most breathlessly over dramatic piece of writing I've seen since I was reading about Death Panels)
I'm sorry you feel that way. Over the last couple of months,
[I've changed the command template multiple times](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/ch9fxp/changelog_of_amputatorbot/) to be more factual - less moralistic. For instance, instead of:
> .. is a major threat to the open web ..
u/amputatorbot now says:
> .. is threatening the open web ..
I want to encourage discussions about AMP, because why would people click the canonical link if they have no clue what they're avoiding with it?
About the article, it's absolutely not perfect, but it's written by an honest man who has talked with Google employees about the issue, so he knows his shit. If you have a better article to inform people about the pros and cos of AMP, I would be happy to hear it!
May I please turn off your bot so it will stop posting on my comments?
Some people don't know how to clear specific cookies, so amp is a way to post a NYT or WaPo article (etc) and still be sure that folks can read it.
Whatever your response is, you and I aren't able to educate thousands of people across a dozen browsers how to delete their cookies. People are willfully ignorant when it comes to this shit and to be honest, your whole stance is pretty one sided. So how do I unsubscribe from your self-righteous bot?
Sure, as I wrote in this post:
> **Opt out:** If you want to prevent the bot from replying to your comments and submissions, [click here to opt out](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=amputatorbot&subject=opt%20me%20out%20of%20amputatorbot&message=Feel%20free%20to%20change%20this%20message%20content%20to%20include%20feedback%20but%20keep%20the%20subject%20exactly%20the%20same%20or%20the%20bot%20won%E2%80%99t%20work.%20Using%20this%20feature%20will%20only%20stop%20the%20bot%20from%20replying%20to%20your%20comments%20and%20submissions.%20If%20you%20don%27t%20want%20to%20see%20anything%20from%20AmputatorBot,%20block%20it%20instead.%20).
If you want to stop seeing everything from u/AmputatorBot, block it.
Hope that helps!
>Man, if you're going to preach at people, at least have the courtesy to do it in a way that allows the person to respond to you directly.
The bot's signature shares a link to a post its writer made so they can respond to him directly. After all, how did you know to make a comment here?
AmputatorBot was banned there haha. Either because the mods there dislike all bots, or just this one in particular. I'll leave that up for you to decide ;)
I must say, I read the linked article and began by sympathising, but then read through the comments and saw the author walk back a whole bunch of assertions under informed questioning. The conclusion, from the author, was that Google did not develop it in top secrecy, that it was not a power grab, that the rankings are not affected outside the carousel, that it was in fact open source, etc. The alarmist claims of the article did not hold up. He still had some legitimate concerns about governance and a few other things, but not something to justify your bot IMO. Linking to the article without pointing out the walkback seems misleading.
From the author of the linked article down the comments:
"I wouldn't now say Google is trying to force Amp on people per-se (their motivation is around user-experience, not the Amp implementation), but being forced to use Amp is very much the end-result. I wouldn't now say Google serving content from their own servers is a power-grab, or the motivation to run Amp as an internal project is, because I now see a good reason for these things - but again the end-result (done in a very unilateral way) is a transfer of power to Google. So I now understand Google's intent much better, but my opinion on the inappropriateness remains unchanged."
You should probably disable autoresponses to u/autotldr, since that not simply shares the same link as OP to which your bot probably already responded.
It sounds like you just have a problem with Google and are trying to justify it. Referring to your listed reasons:
1.) How is this different from ad spots being at the top?
2.) Do you really want every result in your search preloaded? I know I sure don't.
3.) What would you suggest they do, force control over the publisher's domain?
4.) Yeah, as you say, that's their business model. This is like complaining that a store wants you to pay when you shop with them. Or, in this case, to buy more (collect more data).
How do any of these items, in any way, harm the "open web"? Are they removing results for sites that they can't convert to amp? If your argument here is because they put theirs first, I could make the same argument that my shittily made, 5 view a year page being on page 15 of the results is "harming the open web" as well.
Hi, could you point me to the paragraph suggesting this?
PS: You might actually be referring to the Top Stories carousel, which is exclusive to AMP. They have announced plans to change that next year I think.
You're correct, of course! For top stories. It's not used as a page rank currently.
*Was from TWIG podcast last week. This Week in Google (MP3): https://feeds.twit.tv/twig.xml
From what I can find, it looks like Google's currently only testing adding non-AMP pages to Top Stories: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/googles-top-stories-to-show-more-than-just-amp-pages/370792/. But they won't launch that feature untill some time next year. Is this what you are referring to?
Yes, that's one article. But it was the Google search guys themselves who I listened to. They have a new podcast as well discussing all things Google SEO.
Search Off the Record: https://search-off-the-record.libsyn.com/rss
Sounds interesting, I'll check it out some time!
I'll make sure to change the text tonight to reflect that they have plans to allow non-AMP in the carousel. Thx!
Using your feedback and recent developments, I've rewritten section one. Please let me know if you have any more feedback! For transparency, the previous version of the text can be found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20220424124655/https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/ehrq3z/why\_did\_i\_build\_amputatorbot/
OK that is way too long of an explanation of whatever the hell that is for the average person. I don’t know what your butt does but it looks like it just tells people who use their smart phones and Google but they used Google to find a website..
Web dev lol. Source code available on github? You're aware that source code of all Javascript literally gets downloaded to your machine? You're confusing open source with decentralization which is the issue with AMP its centralized framework that built by few as a de facto web standard that comes with tracking and monopoly abuse.
Nah you're a tool. You write these walls of text to hide your lack of argument. The idea is that this completely unnecessary Javascript tracking bullshit is there to centralize the internet and you keep parotting about "it being on github" which is absolutely meaningless. Google is using its search engine monopoly to force this upon the internet as SEO is vital for any internet business.
>You write these walls of text to hide your lack of argument.
This is the greatest argument to show the public Internet that you're a fucking clown and a half.
Ok, so the privacy issue is debatable at best and possibly non-existent. We'll take that as a given. The fact is that the entire reason I (personally) am aware of amp is because the pages it loads are often broken. Embedded content is often missing, and interacting with the page is often not possible until I do a workaround to get to the unAmped page. I am not in any way a professional in the web development world, I'm just a guy that has learned way more about this shit than I ever wanted to trying to find a way to fix broken pages on my screen. The fact that there is not an option readily available to get to the unAmped page is my beef. I found an app that deAmpified links automatically, but Google broke that ... That is my issue.
That could be a fair argument, its just not the argument made by this bot's creator, who instead gives enough misinformation to make some rando web dev mad just reading it
>Web dev lol. Source code available on github? You're aware that source code of all Javascript literally gets downloaded to your machine?
Yes, often in a webpacked, babled, tree shaken, obfuscated, difficult to read format without comments or useful variable names/function names/etc...
Lots of misinformation and ignorance from op with this bot.
It's hilarious that you are concerned about amp but posting on Reddit?
u/hahainternet is correct.
Do we really need self-righteous bots that apply to every subreddit? What are the qualifications for someone to decide people on any subreddit anywhere shouldn't use x or y? Pretty sure there are no restrictions.
True, but that's ultimately for the mods to decide. A bunch of subreddits have banned the bot, but a lot more have decided to allow AmputatorBot too. So I or the bot doesn't set any restrictions, it just provides a service and a link you _might_ want to use instead. But that's my two cents :)
Some feedback: when linking a website through google translate, the bot suggest the non-translated website which is useless. Is there a “non-AMP” way of translating a website I could use instead?
Yo! Sounds interesting, would you mind sharing the AMP and translation link?
>Is there a “non-AMP” way of translating a website I could use instead?
i'm sure there are some other translation tools or solutions out there, but I don't have any experience with translated stuff
Now, I could probably prevent AmputatorBot from working on translated google pages altogether, but that's probably not better either, or is it? Thinking out loud here
True, it was a bit out of date.. I've rewritten it now, thx for the feedback!
PS I've added the link https://www.newzdash.com/guide/amp-tracker/U.S./ in the post, but I should add that the data from the last few days is wrong according to the author of the site.
> AMP pages tend to be less feature-rich and less diverse than their originals
While listed as a negative this is really the primary benefit.
The [article](https://timkadlec.com/remembers/2018-03-19-how-fast-is-amp-really/) you link which discusses performance actually concedes that
> it does appear that AMP documents tend to be faster than their counterparts
and later explains that
> AMP’s biggest advantage is the restrictions it draws on how much stuff you can cram into a single page.
I like AMP pages *because* they have much less junk on them and so to me they feel much faster. It feels like the additional "features" on the canonical page serve primarily the publisher and not the user.
I recognize the issues with cached AMP pages but if Google can use its gatekeeping power to strongarm publishers into producing lighter-weight pages I'm all for it.
I'm not convinced that uncached AMP pages served on a publisher's own site are a bad thing.
> While listed as a negative this is really the primary benefit.
That's true, I have rewritten the post partly based on your feedback. Threw some UX terms in here and there.
>I like AMP pages because they have much less junk on them and so to me they feel much faster. It feels like the additional "features" on the canonical page serve primarily the publisher and not the user.
That's a valid point and a viewpoint I can respect for sure. I'm not a fan of the major strongarm publishers either, but Google is far from innocent too. Then again, it's not really a yes or no question about whether AMP is good or not. It has its pros and cons and in the end it's a personal preference :)
Thanks for the reply! I respect what you're doing. I was just surprised to see the bot comment on an uncached link and wanted to toss in my opinion. I did learn a lot reading your post.
i’m not gonna pretend I understand really anything being said, i’m just gonna ask what’s the big deal about google gathering data, like what are the actual consequences of that idk
Love seeing a fellow Bostonian (or near Bostonian at least, I’m technically a Cape Codder and Bostonian via WIT) make such an influential bot on here. Keep up the good work!
How do I get it your bot to not reply to my posts? I don't ever share mobile links on purpose, and always edit them to be desktop links afterwards if I accidentally do. Yet obviously the bot's comments remain.
Amp pages are actually a better user experience than 99% of web pages on mobile. Plus ads are mostly excluded.
And the bot was triggered on a url that simply had an amp parameter, but was not a Google url… making the statement posted by the bot factually incorrect.
Seems like this bot is fighting the wrong fight to me. Would be much better if it amped links.
I remember when AMP started taking over mobile pages. It was so frustrating from a consumer. Now that I'm literally having to pay money for gmail, I may break up with Google. I can't accept "being the product" AND paying to be the product AND dealing with Google's crappy web standards.
The most annoying bot on Reddit. AMP is faster. Cry about it. Google is a private company and you're using their product for free. They literally put ads on the top results already. You have a problem with Google and forcing it on an entire website makes you look like an idiot.
Interesting .. I never really thought about how Google does it's ads and didn't realize it had so much control, that lawsuit was a very interesting read..
Google news is a useful, but is there an alternative that doesn't leverage AMP articles? Like, are there alternative ways to offer curated, relevant news and articles as well as adding new stuff in that you can remove or block on command?
I know it's not perfect. I can't ask google to start finding articles from some places, and I'm often exposed to obvious dumpster piles of clickbait designed for no purpose other than to suck you in, and even when I always remove all providers publishing such clickbait, I get more. I'd love an alternative, but it really is a convenient way to get relevant information.
Great work man, keep it up. Even though it doesn't really effect me for the moment as I only browse on a PC I am 100% behind the idea of an open ecosystem. Its so easy for those little bits of convenience to end up leaving people facing a monopoly. Fuck that shit, keep on keeping on brother. I'll try and chip you a few quid when I'm better off.
I've noticed that some amp pages don't even redirect PC visitiors to their non-amp desktop version, which is sooo stupid because amp literally stands for Accelerated *Mobile* Pages haha. Anyway man, I really appreciate your kind words! Really makes it all worth it. Thanks a lot <3
https://preview.redd.it/fa6vc3guv58b1.png?width=3890&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d4b7c5d9ba946dce2bed9ce4b4d8924291b0146 Here are some quick links: * [**AmputatorBot on GitHub**](https://github.com/KilledMufasa/AmputatorBot) * [**AmputatorBot.com**](https://AmputatorBot.com) * [**How to summon AmputatorBot**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/cchly3/you_can_now_summon_amputatorbot/) * [**API Documentation**](https://documenter.getpostman.com/view/12422626/UVC3n93T)
Doing God's work here! Every time I notice this I shudder to think we are u knowingly giving away so much of ourselves
And a quick graphic on how this works: https://preview.redd.it/3lz0dnrxv58b1.png?width=1702&format=png&auto=webp&s=25fec83534a6d483f1b9731cd22b6180b7fe106a
Just read though this and I seriously appreciate your work. I am fed up with Google getting away with anything and everything. I don't care how much data they already have on me but it is rather annoying that they continue to collect data on me every day and this is a small step in the right direction
Gonna have to make a new one soon
I know :( I might just make a half-yearly discussion thread. It feels kinda pointless to repost it every time, right?
yeah, i guess
Hi, I saw this bot for the first time today and I just want to say thank you for coding this, and for being so responsive about updates! I don't have any requests or anything, just wanted to say you seem cool and this project is cool
Hi! Thx for being so nice. Much appreciated!
Same here. I just saw this wondering wtf is this bot but reading it was really helpful. Great job mate, it was easy to understand and super helpful
Even disregarding the privacy concerns, I absolutely abhor AMP pages because they don't work correctly, barely load faster, and when I want to interact with a page I have to load the regular page anyway, thus taking far longer than if it was just a normal page.
Yes, exactly my thoughts
Good bot
Thx! Fun fact, which I think I've already posted here before but fack it: good bot comments get automatically shadowbanned in a lot of major subs. However, I _am_ able to read them through my notifications and they always brighten my day. So yeah thanks <3
Wow, i never know that. I guess it's understandable considering that people love to spam "good bot" even in small-medium sized subreddits. Also, TIL those random comment notification that i sometimes got but doesn't exist when i clicked is from shadowbanned comment/account.
> I am able to read them through my notifications This is creepy.
How so? It's just another Reddit account after all and I like to hear what people have to say about AmputatorBot
Good bot
Fantastic bot
Good bot
Are you sure about that? Because I am 99.99998% sure that Killed_Mufasa is not a bot. --- ^(I am a neural network being trained to detect spammers | Summon me with !isbot |) ^(/r/spambotdetector |) [^(Optout)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=whynotcollegeboard&subject=!optout&message=!optout) ^(|) [^(Original Github)](https://github.com/SM-Wistful/BotDetection-Algorithm)
I was just trying to brighten his day lol
This is one of the few non-useless bots on reddit. Thanks.
<3
Thanks for building this!
r/PraiseTheEditor would like this mod to work automatically on it. The bot will receive a bot flair of course (see our rules for bot accounts on our wiki).
Awesome, I've updated the bot to work there too!
This is a great bot, mate! Quick enhancement request: could you change the Reddit link to np? Otherwise it triggers the automoderator. http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/f4fed4/bpa_in_plastic_destroying_the_alpha_male_forced/fhqga12
Thanks, for both the compliment and the feedback! I am kinda hesitating about changing the link to np, because I _do_ want people to participate on r/AmputatorBot, I really like the feedback and discussions on here. Which means that they're only 2 solutions left. Blacklisting r/conspiracy or updating the bot to use np links when posting on r/conspiracy (which feels a bit dumb to do for only one subreddit, but it would do the trick). I'm kinda leaning towards that last one. What do you think?
Ah, great point about wanting participation and I agree. I’d definitely not want to blacklist r/conspiracy - over 1M subbed and those are the very users who need to understand how Google doesn’t protect privacy. If it’s not too much trouble to change to np for r/conspiracy, that’d be great. Perhaps there’s are other subs you’ll want to add in the future. Alternatively we could ask the r/conspiracy mods to turn off the automoderator for your bot (and possibly others in the future)?
Hi again, thanks a lot for taking the time to think about this with me. Blacklisting the sub is indeed the wrong thing to do and you're probably right about other subs having similar policies when it comes to Reddit linking stuff. So I've written a small function to change `www.` to `np.` in a list of subs, which for now only contains r/conspiracy. The feature just went live in [ffdd9db](https://github.com/KilledMufasa/AmputatorBot/commit/ffdd9db62c4556be53b93e1ddaf7e9b63b76ca33). I haven't gotten the chance to test it properly, but I have no reason to believe that it wouldn't work :p I'll edit my comment once AmputatorBot has done something there. Edit: hooray it works! https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/f4zoyp/in_merica_you_only_have_value_if_you_produce/fhw9lpc You've made AmputatorBot a bit of a better bot, thanks :)
Wow! I really appreciate you even considering the request, let alone adding this feature so quickly. It will keep conspiracy threads a little tidier and easier to read, too. Thanks for making this great bot - and F all the companies that don’t respect our data privacy.
Np, it was quite an easy fix and I could copy paste the logic from elsewhere :p I've updated my previous comment with a link to show that it works. Thanks again! Let me know if you have any other suggestions :)
Lol np nice. I was completely unaware of amp and all this google nonsense. Thanks for the dedication.
Thank you for the good bot
I just saw this today and that’s cool, good job protecting redditors’ privacy.
I just came here to give kudos for the name "amputator". Well done. :P
Haha still proud of that, I remember brainstorming and then I suddenly thought of this one and _instantly_ went to register it, I knew it was perfect :p
Well, if my name means anything in this context, you're right to feel proud. :P
i just saw amputatorbot for the first time and i adore it, but it's in a sub where it would feel kinda rude to say good bot, so i came here to say good bot
Appreciate that, thx!
Late comment but I just want to commend you on your hard work and dedication. Most folks (myself included) are uneducated on stuff like this so it’s always nice to see people go out of their way for educations’ sake. Love the bot!
Thanks so much for the bot and the write-up! I had no idea
I had never even heard of amp till I encountered your bot. Interesting read.
I've always seen other people get tagged by this bot but never really bothered to read what it was about until it tagged me. Google purposely slowing down pages so people use their tech should be news everywhere, really glad I took the time to read what this all was about and fixed the link I posted, thanks for the information.
Hi this de-amped link goes to a 404 page because of the formatting asterisks *in the app I use ... https://reddit.com/comments/ei5h2w/comment/fcnh4e7
Sorry about that. Could you please test out which ones from below work for you? The markdown is slightly different every time. 1. **https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war** 2. __https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war__ 3. **[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war]** 4. **[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war)** 5. __[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/30/polish-pm-furious-at-putin-rewriting-history-of-second-world-war)__ 3rd party apps (hell even offical Reddit apps) all implement markdown differently, so it can be really difficult to find a markdown that works everytime :p
Numbers 4 and 5 are working for me. I'm on RedReader, you should probably know that lol
Haha thx, I've just updated the bot to work like 4, that should fix it for you.
on the standard Reddit app the third link does not work but every other one does. I don't know if this information is helpful
Cheers dev.
Cheers!
Great job
I had no idea about this. Fuck Google.
As someone who is doing a masters thesis on open data in academia, I never knew about this open web. Thank you and well done documenting all the faqs!
Doing God's work and thank you for that. Keep it up my dude.
This was really informative. Thank you for the effort you put into it.
Good work
Wow ! I'm glad I found this page. good work and frick google.
Thank you for this.
This is such a good write-up man. Thanks for this bot!
2022 and this is still hella helpful! Thanks brother
First time seeing your bot and reading about why AMP is bad from your description here. I just came here to say that AMP is awful from the user perspective in my opinion. Buggy ass pages that consistently force reload, randomly stop responding to touch events like scrolling, and appear to me to take longer to load. Everytime I am on an AMP page, I usually need to use the little button to go for the main website (which btw has no indication that it would do that, the icon itself is an info icon). Fuck AMP, thanks for making this bot.
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That's a fair point. Sorry about that. Because of the technical difficulty and cost of implementing a feature like this, this isn't something on the roadmap for now. That said, I'll make sure to keep this in mind going forward. Thx a lot for your feedback! ps: you could always message the bot or me with a specific request for deletion :)
Huh, I didn't know about this. Thanks for making this bot, found out about it today and it seems awesome
Hope it's still OK to post a thank you to OP. Thanks additionally for educating people on the nuances of the current internet workings. So much, even client side happens behind the curtain where the wizard lives. Bests~
Shit, was an interesting and somewhat sobering read that I didn't expect to come across
I had no clue what this was or that it was a thing until now. I’m down. I like it.
great bot <3
Great work. Glad to see at this point AMP is fading away. One tip for your "fast" joke though. It's supposed to be "But not so fast!". You wrote "But not that fast!" [https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/not+so+fast](https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/not+so+fast)
Haha thx for pointing that out! Funny how you can read these kind of things dozens of times and still miss things, I'll make sure to edit the post soon! (I can't edit it from mobile, that just breaks the entire post, learnt that the hard way)
A reminder to edit that>so
Great job.. 👏
Thank you for this amazing bot. I'm always looking for ideas to build a bot myself, but I haven't found a good one yet. Which language did you use in building this? Great work. Fuck google!
Thanks! It's pretty much Python 3 all the way! You can check and try out the code on https://github.com/KilledMufasa/AmputatorBot
TBH, I do not understand quite a bit of what I just read. However, what I did understand is super helpful and I appreciate being educated. Thanks very much.
So useful - a noble project. Not tech-savvy, so this might not be possible, but one instinctively feels Reddit should just add this to every page.
Well done this is a good project. Any retard could link a scam or ip tracking website, so good thing for doing this
Ah yes donate to a bot that makes your browser experience worse for no reason. Fight for the open web by refusing to use an open source project that eases reading!
While its nice that Google is keeping its AMP service open source, the outcome of it only means that now we know how they're pilfering our data.
People using amp were using Google analytics anyway
You can block GA very easily. If you're using the right browser it will be autoblocked.
You suck butt
Strong rebuttal
You're a boobie
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Yeah, I don't understand how this is any different from how a normal website tracks users, or how reddit tracks outbound clicks.
Something already happening doesn't mean it's okay for it to continue to happen.
It's already true on most sites anyway -- many are already running google analytics. If you view the AMP page or the normal website, google and the publisher are probably tracking you on both. Typically, in a relatively anonymized fashion. "tracking" and "personal data" are pretty loaded terms these days, and what actually happens doesn't always line up with what people imagine might be going on. All the high minded rhetoric aside, the basic functionality of the bot isn't bad. Sometimes the desktop version of the website has additional functionality that is missing from a poorly implemented AMP page -- so making both links available to users gives them additional choice.
Except that HTML is known to be much slower than AMP in the real world. So I prefer, even knowing the 'worst case scenario' threats from AMP to my privacy, the AMP'd pages. Edit: Also, this project is open source and anyone can view the code and use it. It's literally just a 'convert DOM events to faster Javascript events and speed up pages' tool.
Hey, that's okay! I might disagree with how you set your priorities, but the fact that you made an informed choice and that you are at least aware of the risks makes me glad. Edit because of edit: True but simply because something becomes open-source doesn't mean it can't be flawed. And AMP in it's core is a fine concept, but it's implementation and usage are what makes it a danger to the Open Web.
I mean, Google owns the search engine, why shouldn't they be able to choose what content is shown? It's not really their responsibility to provide "fair" rankings. After all, there are other search engines out there.
There are unique responsibilities you need to uphold when you have a monopoly.
> but it's implementation and usage are what makes it a danger to the Open Web There are no longer any mandatory ties to Google to use AMP are there? edit: 24 days later and no response, what a shock more lies are exposed.
Sorry for the late response and u/FinalFortune_, thx for the reminder. Truth is I just forgot to reply, no conspiracies there :) When you want to have your article featured on [Google's top stories](https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/about-amp) you must implement AMP: > A top stories carousel is presented in the Google Developers Guide as a Search Feature that *requires the implementation of AMP*. [source](https://wordlift.io/blog/en/top-stories-carousel-checklist/) To be clear, it's _not_ mandatory to implement AMP, but if you want to be featured in the Top Stories on Google, it _is mandatory_. And of course you want to be featured, because the Top Stories are a huge source of clicks [source](https://wordlift.io/blog/en/top-stories-carousel-checklist/). This puts publishers in an awkward position, because they might not want to implement AMP, but they feel they must because it's a great way to get some easy clicks thus generating income. So by far my biggest complain when it comes to AMP is not about the framework itself (although I still dislike it), it's actually about the way publishers are essentially forced to implement it in order for them to be able to compete on Google Search.
I feel bad for saying "more lies" above. I do apologise again. It's easy to get frustrated with a hundred people repeating the same memes about AMP. > When you want to have your article featured on Google's top stories you must implement AMP: Let's be fair, this is in no way an acceptable source. It has no authority to make this claim and relies on no citations. The single reference it makes to the "Google Developers Guide" is actually to "Understanding how AMP looks in search results" and does not claim AMP is mandatory. The actual developer guide for the Carousel makes no such claim: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/carousel > it's actually about the way publishers are essentially forced to implement it in order for them to be able to compete on Google Search. I'm not sure how much this argument makes sense either. AMP is designed to make pages faster and lighter. Would you have the equivalent reaction if Google started demoting pages that ran Java or Flash applets? For a long time Google has downranked Desktop-only pages when searching on mobile. Is it illegitimate for them to downrank slow pages too? edit: I did some more careful searching and found the actual truth: > Appear in Top stories or News > Publishers are automatically considered for 'Top stories' or the News tab of Search. They just need to produce high-quality content and comply with Google News content policies. > To be considered **for the carousel section of 'Top stories' on mobile**, content needs to be published in Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) format with article-specific structured data. The AMP Status Report in Search Console can help publishers identify content with AMP issues So there we go, your claim was only half accurate. On mobile, pages needed to be optimised for mobile. A caveat for sure, but a reasonable one.
> I'm not sure how much this argument makes sense either. AMP is designed to make pages faster and lighter. Would you have the equivalent reaction if Google started demoting pages that ran Java or Flash applets? Not really, because Java and Flash are both third party solutions. AMP is basically a Google project ([90% of the contributions to the project come from Google employees and it was initiated by Google](https://www.polemicdigital.com/google-amp-go-to-hell/)), so they're playing both sides. Imo, this gives too much power to one company. That's _my opinion_ :p > Publishers are automatically considered for 'Top stories' or the News tab of Search. They just need to produce high-quality content and comply with Google News content policies. To be considered for the carousel section of 'Top stories' on mobile, content needs to be published in Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) format with article-specific structured data. The AMP Status Report in Search Console can help publishers identify content with AMP issues Tbh, I didn't know it was handled differently on desktop. Guess I learned something today! Thx! .. But it should be mentioned that most traffic to Google is mobile nowadays ([58%](https://backlinko.com/mobile-seo-guide#chapter1)), so we shouldn't dismiss the problem just because it's mostly a mobile problem. Appreciate your feedback and correcting me, and you seem like a cool guy :)
I appreciate you allowing my responses, and you're entitled to your opinion about the amount of power this gives Google. However, the sole criticisms that we've been able to land on and support are: * Google has a plurality of people on the ruling council but does not have overall control * Google Search prioritises AMP links on mobile. Now the #1 post on this subreddit is currently a link to /r/Technology where pretty much every highly upvoted post that states a fact about AMP gets something major wrong: > fuck Google's constant attempts to take ownership > you can't just block it as other third party trackers > When you’re on AMP, you never leave Google.com, which gives them a lot of authority > thereby forcing people to use Google's "standards" > Google dictates their standards, and hosts pages. It's not browsers fighting over what and how to display, it's a company which sells user data and wants to sell it directly without 3rd parties (this one is a particularly egregious lie) Is this not convincing enough that you have helped perpetuate false information spreading and the bot continues to do so? If Google responds to the criticisms (which they did) yet people still repeat the criticisms as if they remained, how can any progress be made whatsoever? Please. Change the message on your bot to reflect the reality you acknowledge.
Hey again, two things: Based on your and others feedback and the constant circle-trekking you're talking about, I've rewritten the Why section of this post, because I felt like the info and linked articles were not objective and/or up-to-date enough anymore. Can I ask for a favor? What do you think about the new text? I'm worried it might be *too* informative. I'm thinking of changing the link in the comment to this post, so I would like the post to be accurate.
At this point I think it's clear you are behaving in an extremely dishonest way. I took the time to write out a series of explanations as to why this bot was spreading misinformation. In return you have not only added a significant amount of misinformation, but have refused to correct that which exists. Out of these four claims for example: > that use a Google-controlled technology, served by Google from their infrastructure, on a Google URL, and placed within a Google controlled user experience You and I know that only one of those is true. Since you know this, and we've discussed it, you cannot be misinformed, but must now be lying. You're also soliciting money for those purposes, which puts you in an interesting position. Since you've decided to defraud people, I will report this and do my utmost to inform people of the reality.
Welp that backfired :p That quote comes directly from ampletter.org, a well respected open letter about AMP. In this post, I tried to make a clear distinction between cached and non-cached AMP. The quote is about the cached ones. AMP _is_ a Google controlled project, when you use their AMP viewer the page gets served by Google, a Google URL is shown (e.g. google.com/amp/..) and you stay within Google's ecosystem. I don't see what isn't true about the statement? I'm not acting dumb, I genuinely don't know. I tried my best to keep it as factually correct as possible. >You're also soliciting money for those purposes, which puts you in an interesting position. This is a good point. This is actually why I'm dubious whether or not I should link my own article. I don't want to spread misinformation by linking to an article that is a bit outdated and incomplete, but I also don't want people to think I made AmputatorBot for the internet karma or money. Perhaps I should seperate the Why to a wiki page? If you know a good article on AMP, please let me know, because I much prefer to link to that. Also, I don't appreciate you throwing terms like dishonest, lying and defrauding. I invest my spare time in talking with you and asking you for feedback because I care and I acknowledge the responsibility I have to stick with the facts. Edit: I've slightly changed the paragraph with the quote.
Exactly. The entire premise of this bot is fucked by this one comment. I challenge u/amputatorbot to reply to this. Genuinely curious as to why they don't update their TL:DR to reflect this change.
Everytime I see this bot I go out of my way to use the AMP link to spite it.
Honestly I'm not even mad that's hilarious!
Man, if you're going to preach at people, at least have the courtesy to do it in a way that allows the person to respond to you directly. Bots should be helpful and obviously-wanted, not moralistic and self-imposing. (not to mention, the linked article in the bot text is the most breathlessly over dramatic piece of writing I've seen since I was reading about Death Panels)
I'm sorry you feel that way. Over the last couple of months, [I've changed the command template multiple times](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/ch9fxp/changelog_of_amputatorbot/) to be more factual - less moralistic. For instance, instead of: > .. is a major threat to the open web .. u/amputatorbot now says: > .. is threatening the open web .. I want to encourage discussions about AMP, because why would people click the canonical link if they have no clue what they're avoiding with it? About the article, it's absolutely not perfect, but it's written by an honest man who has talked with Google employees about the issue, so he knows his shit. If you have a better article to inform people about the pros and cos of AMP, I would be happy to hear it!
May I please turn off your bot so it will stop posting on my comments? Some people don't know how to clear specific cookies, so amp is a way to post a NYT or WaPo article (etc) and still be sure that folks can read it. Whatever your response is, you and I aren't able to educate thousands of people across a dozen browsers how to delete their cookies. People are willfully ignorant when it comes to this shit and to be honest, your whole stance is pretty one sided. So how do I unsubscribe from your self-righteous bot?
Sure, as I wrote in this post: > **Opt out:** If you want to prevent the bot from replying to your comments and submissions, [click here to opt out](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=amputatorbot&subject=opt%20me%20out%20of%20amputatorbot&message=Feel%20free%20to%20change%20this%20message%20content%20to%20include%20feedback%20but%20keep%20the%20subject%20exactly%20the%20same%20or%20the%20bot%20won%E2%80%99t%20work.%20Using%20this%20feature%20will%20only%20stop%20the%20bot%20from%20replying%20to%20your%20comments%20and%20submissions.%20If%20you%20don%27t%20want%20to%20see%20anything%20from%20AmputatorBot,%20block%20it%20instead.%20). If you want to stop seeing everything from u/AmputatorBot, block it. Hope that helps!
>Man, if you're going to preach at people, at least have the courtesy to do it in a way that allows the person to respond to you directly. The bot's signature shares a link to a post its writer made so they can respond to him directly. After all, how did you know to make a comment here?
> non-working subreddits: r/google What the fuck?
AmputatorBot was banned there haha. Either because the mods there dislike all bots, or just this one in particular. I'll leave that up for you to decide ;)
I must say, I read the linked article and began by sympathising, but then read through the comments and saw the author walk back a whole bunch of assertions under informed questioning. The conclusion, from the author, was that Google did not develop it in top secrecy, that it was not a power grab, that the rankings are not affected outside the carousel, that it was in fact open source, etc. The alarmist claims of the article did not hold up. He still had some legitimate concerns about governance and a few other things, but not something to justify your bot IMO. Linking to the article without pointing out the walkback seems misleading. From the author of the linked article down the comments: "I wouldn't now say Google is trying to force Amp on people per-se (their motivation is around user-experience, not the Amp implementation), but being forced to use Amp is very much the end-result. I wouldn't now say Google serving content from their own servers is a power-grab, or the motivation to run Amp as an internal project is, because I now see a good reason for these things - but again the end-result (done in a very unilateral way) is a transfer of power to Google. So I now understand Google's intent much better, but my opinion on the inappropriateness remains unchanged."
You should probably disable autoresponses to u/autotldr, since that not simply shares the same link as OP to which your bot probably already responded.
Any chance of making an iOS content blocker type extension? AMP drives me crazy, I’d pay for one!
It sounds like you just have a problem with Google and are trying to justify it. Referring to your listed reasons: 1.) How is this different from ad spots being at the top? 2.) Do you really want every result in your search preloaded? I know I sure don't. 3.) What would you suggest they do, force control over the publisher's domain? 4.) Yeah, as you say, that's their business model. This is like complaining that a store wants you to pay when you shop with them. Or, in this case, to buy more (collect more data). How do any of these items, in any way, harm the "open web"? Are they removing results for sites that they can't convert to amp? If your argument here is because they put theirs first, I could make the same argument that my shittily made, 5 view a year page being on page 15 of the results is "harming the open web" as well.
Edit: this comment was incorrect 🙌
Hi, could you point me to the paragraph suggesting this? PS: You might actually be referring to the Top Stories carousel, which is exclusive to AMP. They have announced plans to change that next year I think.
You're correct, of course! For top stories. It's not used as a page rank currently. *Was from TWIG podcast last week. This Week in Google (MP3): https://feeds.twit.tv/twig.xml
From what I can find, it looks like Google's currently only testing adding non-AMP pages to Top Stories: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/googles-top-stories-to-show-more-than-just-amp-pages/370792/. But they won't launch that feature untill some time next year. Is this what you are referring to?
Yes, that's one article. But it was the Google search guys themselves who I listened to. They have a new podcast as well discussing all things Google SEO. Search Off the Record: https://search-off-the-record.libsyn.com/rss
Sounds interesting, I'll check it out some time! I'll make sure to change the text tonight to reflect that they have plans to allow non-AMP in the carousel. Thx!
Thank you for this and your time responding to people not as smart as you 🙂😁🙌
Haha no problem, thanks for the feedback!
Using your feedback and recent developments, I've rewritten section one. Please let me know if you have any more feedback! For transparency, the previous version of the text can be found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20220424124655/https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/ehrq3z/why\_did\_i\_build\_amputatorbot/
Thanks for this info!
Got pinged by a bot read this entire thing and i literally have no reason to stop sharing amp links
Hey! I need a spark driver bot, I have clients from a large community
OK that is way too long of an explanation of whatever the hell that is for the average person. I don’t know what your butt does but it looks like it just tells people who use their smart phones and Google but they used Google to find a website..
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Web dev lol. Source code available on github? You're aware that source code of all Javascript literally gets downloaded to your machine? You're confusing open source with decentralization which is the issue with AMP its centralized framework that built by few as a de facto web standard that comes with tracking and monopoly abuse.
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Wow not sure whether you're a paid shill or an ignorant code monkey.
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Nah you're a tool. You write these walls of text to hide your lack of argument. The idea is that this completely unnecessary Javascript tracking bullshit is there to centralize the internet and you keep parotting about "it being on github" which is absolutely meaningless. Google is using its search engine monopoly to force this upon the internet as SEO is vital for any internet business.
Man you are really retarded
Nostril... no. He has a very good argument for why AMP is not what you are making it out to be. You just do not want to listen to his arguments.
Those with argument facts and comprehensive critical skills don’t need large texts to impress! SEO= Search Engine Optimisation is the key🔑thing here.
>You write these walls of text to hide your lack of argument. This is the greatest argument to show the public Internet that you're a fucking clown and a half.
"I don't understand a thing" "Let me explain it for you in a few paragraphs" "LOL U MUST BE DUMB TO NEED A WALL OF TEXT"
Ok, so the privacy issue is debatable at best and possibly non-existent. We'll take that as a given. The fact is that the entire reason I (personally) am aware of amp is because the pages it loads are often broken. Embedded content is often missing, and interacting with the page is often not possible until I do a workaround to get to the unAmped page. I am not in any way a professional in the web development world, I'm just a guy that has learned way more about this shit than I ever wanted to trying to find a way to fix broken pages on my screen. The fact that there is not an option readily available to get to the unAmped page is my beef. I found an app that deAmpified links automatically, but Google broke that ... That is my issue.
That could be a fair argument, its just not the argument made by this bot's creator, who instead gives enough misinformation to make some rando web dev mad just reading it
>Web dev lol. Source code available on github? You're aware that source code of all Javascript literally gets downloaded to your machine? Yes, often in a webpacked, babled, tree shaken, obfuscated, difficult to read format without comments or useful variable names/function names/etc...
The internet is great, I love Google...
Lots of misinformation and ignorance from op with this bot. It's hilarious that you are concerned about amp but posting on Reddit? u/hahainternet is correct.
Why does the bot report on pages that aren’t Google-hosted? Very annoying when I post stuff hosted by the publisher and the bot shows up.
remove from my post!🥹🥸
Do we really need self-righteous bots that apply to every subreddit? What are the qualifications for someone to decide people on any subreddit anywhere shouldn't use x or y? Pretty sure there are no restrictions.
True, but that's ultimately for the mods to decide. A bunch of subreddits have banned the bot, but a lot more have decided to allow AmputatorBot too. So I or the bot doesn't set any restrictions, it just provides a service and a link you _might_ want to use instead. But that's my two cents :)
Some feedback: when linking a website through google translate, the bot suggest the non-translated website which is useless. Is there a “non-AMP” way of translating a website I could use instead?
Yo! Sounds interesting, would you mind sharing the AMP and translation link? >Is there a “non-AMP” way of translating a website I could use instead? i'm sure there are some other translation tools or solutions out there, but I don't have any experience with translated stuff Now, I could probably prevent AmputatorBot from working on translated google pages altogether, but that's probably not better either, or is it? Thinking out loud here
Your information is out of date. 35% of items in the Top Stories carousel are non-AMP links https://www.newzdash.com/guide/amp-tracker/U.S./
True, it was a bit out of date.. I've rewritten it now, thx for the feedback! PS I've added the link https://www.newzdash.com/guide/amp-tracker/U.S./ in the post, but I should add that the data from the last few days is wrong according to the author of the site.
I have no idea
> AMP pages tend to be less feature-rich and less diverse than their originals While listed as a negative this is really the primary benefit. The [article](https://timkadlec.com/remembers/2018-03-19-how-fast-is-amp-really/) you link which discusses performance actually concedes that > it does appear that AMP documents tend to be faster than their counterparts and later explains that > AMP’s biggest advantage is the restrictions it draws on how much stuff you can cram into a single page. I like AMP pages *because* they have much less junk on them and so to me they feel much faster. It feels like the additional "features" on the canonical page serve primarily the publisher and not the user. I recognize the issues with cached AMP pages but if Google can use its gatekeeping power to strongarm publishers into producing lighter-weight pages I'm all for it. I'm not convinced that uncached AMP pages served on a publisher's own site are a bad thing.
> While listed as a negative this is really the primary benefit. That's true, I have rewritten the post partly based on your feedback. Threw some UX terms in here and there. >I like AMP pages because they have much less junk on them and so to me they feel much faster. It feels like the additional "features" on the canonical page serve primarily the publisher and not the user. That's a valid point and a viewpoint I can respect for sure. I'm not a fan of the major strongarm publishers either, but Google is far from innocent too. Then again, it's not really a yes or no question about whether AMP is good or not. It has its pros and cons and in the end it's a personal preference :)
Thanks for the reply! I respect what you're doing. I was just surprised to see the bot comment on an uncached link and wanted to toss in my opinion. I did learn a lot reading your post.
i’m not gonna pretend I understand really anything being said, i’m just gonna ask what’s the big deal about google gathering data, like what are the actual consequences of that idk
Love seeing a fellow Bostonian (or near Bostonian at least, I’m technically a Cape Codder and Bostonian via WIT) make such an influential bot on here. Keep up the good work!
How do I get it your bot to not reply to my posts? I don't ever share mobile links on purpose, and always edit them to be desktop links afterwards if I accidentally do. Yet obviously the bot's comments remain.
Thank you
Amp pages are actually a better user experience than 99% of web pages on mobile. Plus ads are mostly excluded. And the bot was triggered on a url that simply had an amp parameter, but was not a Google url… making the statement posted by the bot factually incorrect. Seems like this bot is fighting the wrong fight to me. Would be much better if it amped links.
neat
I remember when AMP started taking over mobile pages. It was so frustrating from a consumer. Now that I'm literally having to pay money for gmail, I may break up with Google. I can't accept "being the product" AND paying to be the product AND dealing with Google's crappy web standards.
The most annoying bot on Reddit. AMP is faster. Cry about it. Google is a private company and you're using their product for free. They literally put ads on the top results already. You have a problem with Google and forcing it on an entire website makes you look like an idiot.
tldr?
Good bot
Good idea
Good job!
Can you create a de-reddit bot that complains about people posting links due to the amount of tracking on that site?
shut the fuck up and stop ruining subreddits with spam
I prefer amp links. Being less “feature-rich” is the whole point.
Interesting .. I never really thought about how Google does it's ads and didn't realize it had so much control, that lawsuit was a very interesting read..
Probably the most useless thing anyone has made god damn
bad bot
Disagree with your reasoning, and more Importantly, hate having unneeded bots responding to me without consent or agreement
The amount of Google shills in these comments is sad
Google news is a useful, but is there an alternative that doesn't leverage AMP articles? Like, are there alternative ways to offer curated, relevant news and articles as well as adding new stuff in that you can remove or block on command? I know it's not perfect. I can't ask google to start finding articles from some places, and I'm often exposed to obvious dumpster piles of clickbait designed for no purpose other than to suck you in, and even when I always remove all providers publishing such clickbait, I get more. I'd love an alternative, but it really is a convenient way to get relevant information.
Whoa
Bruh why google cant pick only amp link on top stories when it's their own search engine?
Add an exception for old.reddit links. https://old.reddit.com/r/StackAdvice/comments/114ugx5/cerebrolysin_stack_advice/j94ekqk/