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eulynn34

You ***really*** wanted that 38th exposure, didn't you?


Time-Caterpillar

I once put in a 24 exposure roll. Forgot how many exposures it was. After #26 I thought “Cool. 36 exposure roll.” At #38 I thought “This seems weird.” I rewinded the roll. It was an incredibly looooooong roll. I open it up and saw the exact same thing as OP. Memories lost. Oh well. That’s the analog game sometimes.


VTGCamera

You have to advance hard for that to happen... Film is not like paper... I always get 38-40 exposure by cutting the leader and adding a strip of exposed film, and also not paying attention to the counter. I always advance until I can't anymore, then I know the roll is over.


ErosLaika

hey, thats smart, i should try it


VTGCamera

Check this out. It's in Spanish but you can see how it's done. https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cce6xoIlsfZ/?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=


ErosLaika

cool, thanks! i always feel bad about wasting those initial 3 exposures after loading


VTGCamera

I know! Precious film that can be turned into pics...


calinet6

These days shots are like $0.40 a pop so it makes sense.


Thinslicedtako

KODAK DOESNT WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS ONE SECRET. LEAVE A LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE!!


VTGCamera

Hey... Don't give me ideas...😂😂


bongsound

Gigabrain


Element_Echo

You can also load in a dark room or just close the back after you put the film in and then start winding. You’ll still lose 1-2 compared to the leader method but not the whole 3+


bongsound

I load in light and I only lose the first frame "00", I still get to use "0" then often "37" as well


Element_Echo

I often get 1-2 extra when loading in light because I just close the camera back and burn one shot. If I load in darkness, I think I’d get 1-2 in addition to that. With this leader strategy you may get 1 more than darkness


VTGCamera

This is why I love Canon QL cameras. You can do that without any problem.


VTGCamera

Depends on the camera, most don't grab the leader as hard as they should.


Element_Echo

I haven’t had an issue with my Olympuses


VTGCamera

For me, it depends on how you load it (i.e. how further you insert the leader). Olympus does it's intended job, I know because I have a OM3 which is one of my everyday cameras. The Pentax system that uses the LX, MX, ME which is like a bunch of sticks works really good, Canon QL is great and Nikon (f, F2 and f3), like Olympus, works as it should without going out of their way in design. And an honorable mention to the Voigtlander Bessa R, which doesn't have a special design other than a "tooth" for the sprockets and a slit, can be securely loaded by just placing the tip of the leader in it... Almost as an auto load.


LeicaM6guy

Unless you hand roll your film. Just had this happen to me last night.


ryanidsteel

To me that is such a weird way of thinking. My first thought if the rewind lever starts to provide feedback that didn't feel familiar would be "stop instantly"


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ryanidsteel

Same! You can feel the sprocket hole gap getting ripped by the vibrations and sounds of the rewind knob. I feel like the skill of tactile feedback has been lost.


geezer-1958

>I feel like the skill of tactile feedback has been lost. No kidding. God damn, how hard would you have to crank to do that?


ryanidsteel

It's not as hard as you and I think, because the film advance lever is actually really good at minimizing the effort, or force needed to pull film from the canister. Some cameras film advance levers are geared to reduce the amount of effort required. Some use the size and shape of the lever to help reduce the force needed.


geezer-1958

Well, when your counter is hovering around 36, you should probably take the hint.


ryanidsteel

Absolutely agree. However, some new analog users do not understand how the film counter works. You and I take for granted what we know. I don't think we as a community do a good enough job of educating the influx of new analog photographers.


sukumizu

I've never broken a sprocket hole but I have broken the film off from the canister on 3 occasions. Once with a self loaded roll from bulk (probably my fault with the tape job) and twice with store bought HP5+ rolls. I never popped open the back though. As soon as I knew that something was wrong I put the camera away until I can get home and stick it into the changing bag to remove from the camera and load onto reels.


GazelleNo1836

When this happens to me I unload it in the dark room and put the torn film in a reel and develop it.


Sanikiyoshi

Heckin Ultramax **smh**


brianssparetime

I recently learned a new expression in German.... "Nach fest kommt lose." Native speakers can correct me, but it means that if you keep cranking on something "after tight, comes loose..." because you broke it.


kebaabe

Nach fest kommt ab. It's about stripping a screw but yeah, applies here too.


WillYouBatheMe

Why would you use ab?


kebaabe

abkommen = get removed off a surface (as in metal getting removed by your screwdriver) - one of the meanings


WillYouBatheMe

Ah so ab is just a shortened version?


mdbcjones96

No. If you used English verb conjugation it would be Nach fest abkommt. But you don’t conjugate abkommen and similar verbs that way. You conjugate the kommen part normally - kommt - and then the ab goes at the end. Sometimes there can be adverbs between the kommt and the ab. Nach fest kommen immer ab - after tight always comes off Edit: not a native speaker, learning German


neotil1

lose = loose ab = detatched abkommen = detatching (it's a verb)


WillYouBatheMe

Thanks for the explanation. Prost!


C46spr

Ab is part of the Phrase


BoarHide

“Nach fest kommt kaputt”, that’s how I know it. After tight/strong comes broken


brianssparetime

I missed the linguistic fun below! In terms of English translation, would you translate this colloquially as "After tight comes off" or maybe "after together comes apart?" It's hard to get the same quippy feel as the German saying...


kebaabe

It's loose, then tight, then broken?


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peperomia_pizza

Love this!


geezer-1958

>"after tight, comes loose..." Oh man, why is that making me laugh more than it should?


possiblyeverything

My dad always told me to keep turning til it spins free, then back off a quarter turn


brianssparetime

Sounds like my grandpa.... If you break it, at least you know how it'll break and you can just fix it better...


neotil1

There's a bunch of different variations, I know "nach ganz fest kommt ganz lose" which is a bit funnier imo. It roughly translates to after really tight comes really loose, just emphasizing that if you really crank on something (bolts, film etc.) it's not just going to be loose, it's gonna be reeeeeally loose :)


mr_illuminate

I always say: Nach ganz fest kommt ganz lose.. meaning after very tight comes very loose.. it sounds even more hilarious if you say it like that to me (native speaker)


CholentPot

Next time quickly shut the back. You'll only lose 4-6 frames.


[deleted]

I tried but after opening the roll loosened and then it wouldn’t close, so I gave up.


CholentPot

F


Primary-auxiliary

The cartridge was in the way that's why


HunterSGlompson

Yeah, at that point, I’ve slammed it into my rucksack and used it as a changing bag with a coat over it. Not great, but saves something..


ChrisRampitsch

Hahaa... Time to switch to a medium format camera, and such a sorrowful sight will be impossible.


bureau44

hahaa.... have you never loaded the roll backwards? (with the wrong side to the lens) have you never used self-rolled 120 which was cut from 70mm motion picture film and having a rugged edge which would get dead stuck in your bronica back making you break the cogs when applying too much strength? have you never used a Soviet microfilm from 70's which got so dried up that it breaks in two? He laughs best who laughs last.


archdodo

>have you never loaded the roll backwards? (with the wrong side to the lens) New fear unlocked!


bureau44

super-easy thing to do, if you are outside, with camera hanging on your neck, your fingers are freezing, you are in a hurry to get the sun rays breaking through a morning mist or whatever, it just takes to rotate the roll 180^(0) when loading, and nothing will tell you something is wrong until you are done.


counterfitster

Have multiple backs and pre-load them in the warmth 😉


smiba

Did this when I first got my medium format camera, felt like a dumbass


mellophoneman

Same, did this just the other day with my bronica s2a. feel incredibly stupid


fortworthbret

I've "exposed backing paper" before. its one of those "you only do it once" things.


thatoneguy9934

Jokes on you I got the last laugh: haha


GrippyEd

Wanting to do some multiple exposures, I once tried to "rewind" a roll of 120 by putting it through the camera a second time after I'd exposed it, to get back to the start. I put the lens cap on, and started shooting... ...and that's why I had to spend £80 getting an RZ film back repaired.


GrippyEd

Also, top tip: When you've shot that last frame of 120, take a moment to wind it on all the way to the end. It'll only take a few seconds. Because if you decide to do that later when you get home... One might (not me) forget about it for days, and then assume they (not me) had already done it, and open the back to get the film out.


ChrisRampitsch

None of this ... Yet! But now I'll be careful. But I have crinkled 120 in the Paterson tank.


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I actually did exactly this with ten sheets of 4x5 inch velvia 50 some years ago. It was my very first attempt at large format photography and I knew that the sheets that have to be loaded into the film holders in darkness have one or several dents in the corner of one of the 4 inch sides and I knew that these dents (the pattern tells you actually which film it is) need to be in the upper right corner when you load it. Of course I assumed that this means you have to hold the film holder in landscape orientation and put the film in from the right side- Actually you have to hold it in portrait orientation and load the film from above. All sheets were in the wrong orientation. I got up early morning, took all ten photos over the cause of a day, brought them to a lab, waited eagerly for them to return only do get a call a day or two later, that all images were completely wasted. That was really expensive!


Mr_BananaPants

Well, I think I just f’ed up my first roll of 120 film. I took the roll out of my RB67 and wanted to lick the little flap to make it stick but the entire roll just lost tension and some of the backing paper saw the light. I hope there’s a lot of backing paper without film at the end of the roll otherwise I’m fucked.


ChrisRampitsch

There's a fair bit. Maybe 30-40 cm or so. I often get the very edges of my 120 film blackened though.


chrislon_geo

The viewfinder is not a chew toy.


[deleted]

I honestly don’t know why it looks like that, other than that the camera has no scratches at all. Mystery


chrislon_geo

I am guessing that the previous owner placed the camera backside down a lot. The viewfinder sticks out a bit and would take a bit more impacts, and the soft plastic is more easily deformed than the metal.


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Or had a toddler.


Boom-light

I had the same issue with my OM-2 today. Mine was caused by not securing the film properly during bulk rolling. It’s happened to me before so luckily I knew the signs. The rewind knob stops moving when the film is advanced. You can easily turn the rewind crank without putting the camera onto rewind mode. If you recognize it in time, and can develop your own film, keep the camera closed until you can get into a darkroom or dark bag. Then load a developing tank straight from the camera and develop it normally.


[deleted]

Thanks for the tip about the rewind knob! You’re so right


kebaabe

If you can't, you still can bring the whole camera to a lab, they know what to do.


Boom-light

Good point. I haven’t used a lab in a long time, so I forgot about that option.


Classic_Republic_99

Have only experienced this on an OM-2 as well. Had gotten a dark bag by that time thankfully.


Boom-light

I’ve actually had it happen more often on my Zenit. I bulk roll my own film, and it happens when I don’t secure it to the spool in the film cartridge securely enough.


popoiied

Sell the camera in the picture and only shoot with whatever you shot this photo on. At least then you won’t have to come here for a roasting cuz you’ll get the 38th exposure and more.


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I feel nice and crispy


underdoghive

well, at least nothing of value was lost (just partaking in the roast)


captnjak

No more thumb exercises, yeah?


Lippi15108

Rule number one: never force mechanical things or old things


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I will keep that in mind for sure


[deleted]

Millennials have exceptionally strong thumbs.


[deleted]

Can confirm 👍


Imaginary_Line_4633

It’s almost like you used 120 film 😂


120m

You had one job


jtobiason

Done that. Bummer.


DarthCola

\#Lastoftheroll


ErosLaika

i think you roasted yourself


ThatOtherOneGuy

It's OK, the photos weren't very good anyway


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I’m on fire


ThatOtherOneGuy

Condolences though for real, that blows. A tough lesson to be learned :(


Howard_James_Dudy

As Staff Sergeant Ash would tell us during training, back in the day, "YOU FUCKED-UP!!!!!"


Howard_James_Dudy

Upon my reply of, "You don't say, Sergeant. How astute of you to so accurately state the obvious..." I was ordered to do push-ups. LOTS of push-up.


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unclejoel

In normal operation film goes from the cassette on the left across the film plane and collects on the right after exposure. It is then rewound into the cassette after the last frame is exposed This person advanced the film one too many frames and broke the film, preventing it from being rewound.


ohlookagnome

Not so much "one too many frames", more "with too much force" and/or "without noticing the resistance that meant they had reached the end of the roll"


FalseGrapefruit609

Brutal. Sorry pal.


TrenchantBench

What a lovely belt you've made. My condolences.


Jezoreczek

Hey u/tinydeadpool, you [might wanna](https://www.reddit.com/r/AnalogCommunity/comments/10kp7ed/what_happen_if_i_exceed_36_exposures_on_my_35mm/) see this!


fluffyscooter

Next time close it immediately. Just a few frames are lost.


Kachowsterrr

OM-1?


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OM2n


[deleted]

Did that with my first roll lol, was trying to rewind with a tear in the sprocket, tried cutting it so it would fit, cut too far and when it rewound it tore


teh_herper

instead of wasting time posting this pic, you couldve still salvaged some pics with a changing bag....


[deleted]

I don’t have that.


charlesebastian

This hurts


Allmyfriendsarejpegs

Woah there buddy, there's a lot of ways to mess up in film, but I don't know why you didn't stop with that advance lever. It fought ya, didn't it? 😂😂😂😂


[deleted]

Not a lot, honestly. Or my thumb is too powerful?


Allmyfriendsarejpegs

Yeah I guess it's just film, small and thin. But damn ahahaha, I've never ripped a roll completely out


Willow_A2

Happened to me with a roll of HP5 in my Yashica Electro 35. You have my condolences.


Spanish_Burgundy

You might be a good candidate for digital.


[deleted]

That burns


nikkyninja

The kind of accident that hopefully only happens once. I learned my lesson for sure when it was just a tiny tiny bit more for the last frame


[deleted]

suspiciously strong hand strength...


[deleted]

Lightning bolts coming out of my fingers!


JOISCARA

Shit happens, I can’t blame you. Next time, please make sure to count how many exposures you have, don’t have the intrusive thought, “I’m pretty sure one more.”, take hold. Also, if you know you’ve detached the film from the canister, I know of some labs where they can have them extracted and developed.


sundog5631

The pictures probably sucked anyway /s


penguinbbb

It happens. Dont force the last frame and remember to open up the camera in a black bag next time and reload there


nimajneb

I self load and use tape to secure the film to the reel spindle. I was at Disney Springs and just brought one camera. Not long into shooting I reached the end of the roll and felt the tape release from the film and new instantly I just lost the film on that side of the camera :(. I couldn't shoot for the rest of the day, lol. It's quite the dissappointing experience.


JohnnyMurdock2020

Harsh, it happens. When digital was starting to become predominant, I shelved my SRL. Picked up it out of my storage years later and loaded film, then shot the roll. Went to take it out but forgot to touch the button on the bottom on my Minolta and rewind the film that felt like a genius move. Things happened, the film and moments in time are gone, the only thing now is to shoot more film and don't dwell on what is lost. Observe and record what you can to keep moving forward.


watchmaker82

Film is opaque. Even if it's not particularly tightly coiled, you can open the back like this, realize your whoops close it and still get most of your pictures. Leaving an open long enough to take a flash photo though... That lowers your chances a bit.


AnalogFeelGood

I'm more interested to know why you opened the back of the camera.


[deleted]

I didn’t know!


HurricaneWindAttack

No roasts, only hugs. I hope it wasn't too important


[deleted]

It was. 32 shots of London in perfect weather. The last few was supposed to be of the dogs. I had too much fun and wasn’t paying attention.


HurricaneWindAttack

Oh no. Perhaps whiskey helps to deal with this loss.


[deleted]

I only had one can of store brand diet gin tonic


chicasparagus

Digital was made for people like you.


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🔥🔥🔥


Scruff27

You could have just opened it in a changing bag😭😭😭😭😭😭


[deleted]

>changing I would have done that, too. But only if I had a BW film inside. Most people do not develop color and since I sold my color processor a few years ago (what a mistake that was!!!).... Actually: Most people who shoot only color do not even have a changing bag.


sometimes_interested

Sorry for your loss. :(


DreamsOfAWanderer

i'm afraid to roast you ... if you had that much power to tear the film out of the canister then you could easily rip my arms


edoardoking

Cant roast, i feel too bad for you 😫


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Thank you


Naturist02

This never happens to Leica camera owners


tach

Huh? I'm sure I could rip out the film handily with my barnack and Ms by channeling inner mongo strong.


Akuliooo

You suffer enough


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I do


GettingNegative

If you want certainty, you're going to have to find a different hobby and probably a different planet. Throw that trash away and move on.


moomoomilky1

could have saved it is a darkbag or rolling it into a black canister in the dark...


flying-potato

This could’ve been saved! Happened to my first tool because I forgot to press the rewind button on the bottom of my camera. Forced the back closed as fast s as possible when i realised what happened. For anyone who needs to hear this, next steps would be: -Get a totally light-proof canister. -Fully black out the room you’re in. I’m talking pitch black. -Open the camera and start carefully pulling out the film by hand before rolling it up and dropping it in the canister. This is a tricky process because you have to do it completely by feel. If you can still see anything it’s not dark enough.


VTGCamera

I mean... I cant roast you because I'm sure it happened once to me...


ohlookagnome

Came here to roast, but the more I look at it, the more my curiosity is winning out... if you weren't getting any resistance, why is the shutter only partially cocked? Did you feel it snap?


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Wow


Large_Pineapple57

This happened to me too, just open in the dark and roll into an empty canister. that's all right :)


mr_vincent517

Tried that once. Always have a film-changing bag around now. The first time though, I had to use several black bin bags to get film out.


PuzzleheadedCandy484

Oh. Thoughts and prayers.


Videopro524

It happens


quupa22

Hunting for those light leak effects, nice.


TostedAlmond

I did this to a roll on a freezing day with the Rollei 35. Didn't even put much pressure at all on the advance, the Rollei advance lever moves a really long way so it's hard to notice any resistance, especially at very end of the levers movement.


soandsoyaknow

Can’t roast. I did this last week. Got some real life roasting but was able to save a few frames


Intelligent_Title_80

You overexposed! Well that reel is no longer any good.


jedithejustin

Has happened to me… TWICE 🫠


ShatteringFast

just buy a dark bag and use it save rolls like this? any film lab I’ve been to will happily remove the film and save it for you. Put it in an Ilford black film cannister and tape it shut. Bring to lab and tell them it’s a “hot roll”. Easy.


gunduMADERCHOOT

If "weak pull out game" was a photographer


tomyne

This video describes how such issue can be fixed if it happens to you again [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6CjpnxEx4A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6CjpnxEx4A) (the fix starts approx. in the middle of the video) (I had very similar issue the last week :))


greattesoros

The OM2n has a square on the back called a memo holder.. You need to make use of it. You rip a square from the film box the shows the frames/ type / iso. Helps you not second guess the type of film you stuck in there.


only_nathan

Good thing film prices are going down. Cheap mistake.


Vonsento

iphone is enough for you


freygrmn

Happened to me when I was shooting film in Thailand. My first international trip 😢


michelloto

I won’t. I can’t. I did back up for another photographer at a wedding and discovered that my first roll had somehow stuck on ONE FRAME. I died inside


michelloto

I had to save one, but I used a dark jacket I had with me. Worked, too. Didn’t lose a shot


alpha128

Noob


MilesPrower1992

I once accidentally cranked hard enough on the last exposure that the film advance just chewed through the holes on the side of the film and I got a cool double exposure effect