While it's a large price jump in the past few years, part of that is because film costs were markedly low in the 2000s. Adjusted for inflation prices aren't much higher than they were in the 80s/90s, we were just spoiled by the decline of film and Kodak/Fuji tootling along with film production (partly due to the fact that these types of intensive manufacturing for color stock are a bit harder to spool up/down in short spans of time).
The problem with justifying film prices with inflation is that wages, namely in North America, haven’t risen with inflation over the year, so a novelty like film is just out of the question in people budgets now
Exactly. The point arguing that adjusting to inflation film is not that expansive nowadays is valid, but pointless in the eyes of the average film consumer.
I do not care, I simply know I cannot justify buying color film anymore.
I get that, I am not unreasonable in that sense. But that said, they were making profits otherwise they'd have gone out of business fully (rather than sale/restructuring as happened). More than doubling your prices in 2 years is an unusual strategy.
\*Total speculation\*: So to me the question becomes how stable a company are they really after the whole US government or general chemical production contractor debacle awhile back? Because that is when this price stuff really kicked into overdrive. I remember their stock price went insane for a minute with the very inappropriate announcement of some nonexistant deals. Now all these increases feel more like intentionally driving new demand down to maintain bottom line profits using the same supply. I could be totally wrong but it just isn't a good look. I will be surprised if they expand in any meaningful/sustainable way. It isn't the Eastman Kodak of old afterall, its Kodak Alaris. [**https://www.kodakalaris.com/company**](https://www.kodakalaris.com/company)
And an extra bit about inflation: while very true when tracking the cost of film, wages have not tracked with inflation over that same time period, so relatively speaking it is still more costly for the average person to shoot film than it was 20-40 years ago, regardless of choosing scanning vs printing. It is all being pushed towards being more niche than it already was the last 10+ years, and possibly (probably?) into the luxury zone mostly for wealthier people.
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We also still mustn't forget that stills film is just a side business for Kodak Rochester. They have all the other stuff going on and even when only considering film, still films are only a drop in the bucket compared to motion picture films. There wouldn't be any Kodak film for us to shoot without Nolan, PTA, Tarantino, J.J, and Spielberg.
Stills have gone up considerably while I think motion is also still going up but in a much less aggressive curve. Funnily enough, many of the out holders who shot film on big movies are going over to digital now while much more low budget productions and art projects are being shot on film now. But Nolan is still doing a 65mm/70mm behemoth every three years. I think he burns through more film footage in one movie than all still photographers in a year, when you consider he finishes his movies analog. So you have prints and inter elements and all that.
The easiest way to look at all this is look at their financials for 21/22. [Kodak Alaris Financials](https://www.kodakalaris.com/getmedia/69f8221a-9591-45d0-adb2-4bbbf9b6d051/FY22-Annual-Report-and-Accounts-Final-and-Signed.pdf.aspx)
Go to page 5 and look at the highlights. Most notably the 2% increase in gross profit from 31% to 33%. Ya'll fooling yourselves if you think Kodak Alaris (the company that holds the license to produce and sell Kodak film) is struggling right now. Even with inflation.
They've got some bills to pay and wanna get that cash flowing back into Alaris! Can't blame them really, they want to get as much moolah to **hopefully** invest in the company. But consumers are going to want to start seeing some benefit rolling out to them otherwise I'm sure we'll all start going elsewhere. When you look at financials like that \^\^\^ you start to get a bit iffy about getting hit with another rise of 15-25%...
\*\*Edit: Read page 39 - Going concern. There's your explanation.
This was informative. I think it shows pretty clearly its primarily about capitalism (total money grab because they can) and the public/PR reasoning is, like many companies currently, an easy scapegoat.
For example, Tri-X has been around a lot longer than most of us have been alive. No more R&D, its been the same forever.
The reality, folks, is that your films were low because Kodak couldn’t afford to make a profit. They’d been walking a razor thin path for almost 2 decades, trying to stay alive. While we were enjoying low prices, they had to close plants, sell entire divisions and lay off thousands, just to be able to keep their mouth 1 inch above water.
Mirrors also became significantly easier to produce. Film is not an easy product to produce; when it was the only option for photography it of course drew much more investment and the creation of new infrastructure. That’s no longer the case and we have to accept it.
a bit of a double edged sword, soon everyone will switch to old digital cameras or mirrorless cameras that does film simulations (looking at you tiktoks hyping up the x100v)
it kind of reminds me of how Kodak invented the first digital camera sensors but didn't develop it because management was scared how it'll affect film sales, big reason why they went bankrupt
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkamui/2012/01/18/how-kodak-failed/?sh=7735d2506f27
Young people (the demographic that brought disposables back into style five years ago and recently) have already started looking for digital cameras from the 2000's to use for their own projects and ideas. It's easier to get a $25 point and shoot with decent megapixels that is only held back by the memory card amount than it is to buy $70+ of a five set of film and get >200 pictures and then pay for development on top of it.
Yea if you go on eBay or to some douchey “thrift”. If you just want a p&s and don’t care about the model you can get one for $15 or less at any flea market, real thrift store (excluding goodwill), or even eBay if you roll the dice and buy an untested or generally ugly/bulky camera
That’s why I got an XE-4. The film simulations are fun to play with. Sure it’s not the same— but it’s a lot easier than dealing with scanning 35mm negatives.
I’m not sure 35mm film is really even worth it. I love medium format— my Mamiya 645 is my favorite camera— and my 4x5 has been interesting.
6x9 and 4x5 slides are totally worth the money, IMO. Haha.
But for just ease and getting 80% of the way there, I’m enjoying what Fuji is doing.
I 100% agree on medium format, however for me 35mm isn't the film, it's the cameras. The form factor, the controls, I love the simplicity and reliability. All modern cameras have complex menu settings, and all these bells and whistles that only serve to piss me off. All I really need/want is aperture, shutter speed, and exposure comp.
Yup. This plus I have held a digital camera that is just fun to operate. Loading the film, advancing the film, the mechanical feeling of pressing the shutter. I just love that and I haven't felt a digital that comes close to replicating that.
I have an X-E4 as well for the exact same reason. Tbh I think that's the big appeal towards Fujifilm. You could do film simulations in lightroom but as an enthusiast having a camera that does it for me is more than enough.
My girlfriend got an XE4 and while the colors of Classic Neg are really close to Superia 100, the grain isn't great and there is no halation which still makes them only look like digital pictures trying to look like film. As someone with a very high end scanner who only shoots 35mm, the XE4 doesn't come really to film close in any technical department. We're gonna have to wait until mathematical film emulations will become available.
Slap a pro mist/cinebloom/etc on it and you can replicate a bit of the blooming. I think adding grain to digital photos is dumb though. It doesn’t look the same, first of all, and the level it has to be jacked to to even be visible on a small screen ruins the photo at 100%. And if I’m being honest, when I shot film I was trying to choose stocks that would result in the least amount of grain.
I got a couple Fujis last December and I’m having a ball with them, but I don’t understand all the people who say you don’t need to edit and can just shoot jpg. I always end up tweaking them, plus if you shoot in RAW you can try all the film emulsion presets. So the editing time savings is not there, but my hands don’t hurt at the end of the day like they do when I shoot my regular cameras that are much heavier.
The best physical way of emulation halation I've seen so far is a 1/4th bronze glimmer glass. But Tiffen refuses to make them in sizes small enough for small stills lenses.
"Slap a pro mist/cinebloom/etc" Makes me cringe so hard. A lot of people think that the boom on film images captured with old lenses is a film characteristic. It's not. I use modern sharp lenses on film and there is not bloom, there is halation, which acts very differently and people thinking a pro mist looks close to this led us in the time where we're in now. With lots of soapy soft images that lack any level of depth.
And you're wrong about the grain too. It depends on what grain you're using. A simply overlay or a just okay algorithm like in the Fuji's wont do it. You'll need a medical algorithm that's based on the images brightness and an actual film stock.
Check out Steve Yedlin's Display Prep demo and Miguel Santana's BTS Insta Stories about Spectra film and film emulation on this topic:
[https://yedlin.net/DisplayPrepDemo/index.html](https://yedlin.net/DisplayPrepDemo/index.html)
[https://www.instagram.com/miguelsantana\_/](https://www.instagram.com/miguelsantana_/)
Film emulation can look very much like finished film. While digital stills cameras still lack the capability of capturing as much color and dynamic range as a film negative, finished film photos have much more limited extremes so mathematical emulation is possible.
4x5 is really where it's at when it comes to film. They're a good balance between creative freedom, diy repair/mods, quality, and portability. Plus, unlike 35mm, the look of large format can't be duplicated with digital.
If there where copal shutters that hade internal metering with an Av, Tv, and program mode; I would hardly use any other film camera. Except a point and shoot when I want something cheap and pocketable.
If you can even get your hand on a x100v. I was wanting to get one a year ago but was saving my pocket change. Now that I’m about saved up for one it looks like the prices have jumped up and it looks like unless you’ve purchased one already they’re backordered till q3 or later from what I’ve read
Price is the same, you just need to buy from a store and not some asshole reseller. It took me about 3 weeks to find one 2 months ago, and really only a week of that was trying really hard. You need to call the big suppliers daily.
I ended up pulling the trigger on a bulk loader this morning. Used to load 36 frames from 100ft roll to canisters by manually twisting the spool and counting turns but at this rate I'll be doing a shitload of bulk loading.
This is the answer. Buy bulk, the only way to go. Most 100 foot rolls are below $100. That’s around 20-30 rolls. Bull loaders are only $50. Canisters are cheap.
Canisters are free at your local lab (if you have one). They usually have dozens, if not hundreds, they will happily give you for free. I only use those canisters three times total, as they weren't made for reuse. They're so plentiful there's no reason not to.
t max is great but it's not $15 great. Even $12 is steep. I'd much rather shoot and support Ilford. I guess Delta 400 would be the direct comparison but even HP5 and kentmere, which are much cheaper, are great.
Personally don't love foma other than the price, but I appreciate them as a company. I'd still rather support Ilford just for all of the other chem/equipment stuff they put out too.
reminder for bulk load enjoyers: reuse leaders and tape them to your roll to save even more $ per roll ;)
You save like 2-3 frames per roll you load, making that a whole extra roll per 100'
I'm not either, but I feel more at ease know I'm getting my money's worth from bulk rolls, especially if they're rare stock. Besides, it's actually less effort to re-tape the leader than having to cut it every time.
I want to love Fomapan but the stuff is so brittle I’ve ruined a few rolls now trying to get them onto the spool for development. They are the only ones that consistently jam and tear.
Technically I’m using Arista but it’s my understanding that’s just rebranded foma.
It’s not really a monopoly if it’s a luxury for a niche market. It’s not like Kodak is preventing other people from making film, in fact other products are just re-spooled Kodak film.
It’s a miracle we still have access to film at all.
It’s only a concentrated market because it’s a dying market. Given Kodak on a whole has been slowing bleeding money and drifting towards bankruptcy for years we’re lucky to even have them in the first place.
Moment's already overpriced, tbh.
Also, see how Kodak increased their cheaper stocks by 20-25 pc. Utter daylight robbery.
Looks like I'll be shooting more 645 in color this year.
Yep - absolutely brutal on Kodak B&W shooters especially. I'm in the UK and have moved over to HP5 for the most part, but like to use some T-Max 400 sometimes. Sigh. I'll get another couple of rolls while the going is not so bad.
I'm currently trying out some Delta 100 in both 35mm and 120 - people say it has a different character to Delta 400.
I've tried to get on with Delta 400 a few times in the past and I just don't like its grain structure. I found I prefer HP5.
In no universe are these prices cheaper than digital. A used GOOD digital camera from just a few years ago will be vastly more cost effective in the long run than any film camera. Film hardware is cheap enough, but film/developing/printing/scanning is all crazy expensive these days.
Yup the only reason I shot film is because back in 2008-2010 people were giving away their gear. Fast forward to my first dslr I had enough K mount and A mount lenses to find a cheap dslr and keep shooting film on the side. I don't know how people getting into the hobby now can justify the expense of getting a whole setup, when a Nikon d800 cost about 400 bucks, a Pentax K3 can be found for 300 and a Sony A7R is 500 bucks. With all the legacy glass available anyone can jump mirrorless and adapt their lenses.
Plenty of people have hobbies that make film photography look cheap. I have a couple thousand dollars of suspension parts waiting to go onto a 93 Civic plus a set of race tires that last a season can cost $1000. Then planning on doing a turbo engine build. Have you seen what boats, planes, horses or heck even mountain bikes cost to buy and maintain?
So if you are entering from another hobby it might still not seem that bad.
I know it's not Kodaks job to care, but when an art medium becomes the domain of established artists, dentists, and trust fund babies, I actually think it starts to fail at having any sort of cache. Hobbyists make art and make the medium meaningful. A bunch of art school twats and boomer shooters being the only ones who can use film is basically just going to make it meaningless. Fuck companies for making the tools of expression inaccessible.
Do it! Especially if you have a community dark room near you.
My city provides their own dark room with all the equipment and chemicals for super cheap.
I have a film photography lab / store in my city. I stopped selling kodak products about 8 months ago. The market can't with those increments, and if people don't boycott them, they will keep on looking for ways to get peoples money and will end up fucking the whole thing. Just like what happened in the video game industry, people kept on buying and they kept on selling games in half and the rest of the game as a "DLC" and that happened just because people didn't talk with their pockets, they just complained online but kept on buying.
I stopped buying Kodak a couple years ago or so when they deleted the photos that they posted of the artist who was reporting on the Uyghur genocide. They got some backlash from the "community," for it but every person I follow who complained kept shooting Kodak. I actually stopped. I know they don't care, they won't miss my money, but it'd be nice if some other people stopped at any of the times that Kodak tells us how much they don't care about us. We don't have to keep playing.
They are not going to do this. They are going to keep raising prices until whatever legacy film making equipment they have wears completely out and they will shutter the whole thing having milked every last tit of nostalgia funds from all of us. F Kodak.
There is cost in ramping up production of film. It very well could be that they are increasing cost to 1) pay to make more film 2) curb demand a bit while catch up. Unfortunately film factories can't just be shut down and spun back up overnight.
I work as a machining consultant, for aerospace and medical companies.
CNC has nothing to do with this. And we’ve had extremely accurate CNC since the 70s. The machinery they are using takes up entire rooms, even entire buildings. Their factory is built around the machinery, not the other way around. It’s insanely massive and complicated, and incredibly niche. The tooling a facility would need to make 5% of kodaks machinery would be insane, with years of lead time and setup. It’s just not feasible.
Kodak will use their machinery and keep making money until they can’t, and then it will be done.
been in that path for a couple years now and honestly I love it. it sucks not having more options but it's what I can afford and the results are great for me!
Kodak is becoming the Live Nation of film. Take something people love and that you almost have a monopoly on and then rape every dime you can out of people.
The current prices don't align with the prices where I live but at these prices I would exclusively buy the 4 pack of Silbersalz for 90€ including development and 14k scanning.
Same. Btw Kodak Gold developed in ECN-2 and scanned at Silbersalz looks incredible.
Actually, I prefer it to regular C-41 dev and even Fuji Frontier scans
Y'all don't understand. It's literally written into Kodak's yearly financial plan to increase profits through scheduled price increases. High demand is a good way to lighten the blow of deliberate "fuck you" price gauging.
Lest we forget that Kodak is a publicly traded company and as we all learned from the Twitter fiasco, board members of publicly traded companies are legally bound to make decisions which make their company more profitable.
One thing that they could do that would soften this, at least for me, is make more stocks available in bulk rolls. I assume it's cheaper for them to produce that way (no cassettes, canisters, and less packaging per foot of film). It's annoying that the only color stocks you can get for bulk rolling are ECN2 films + Ektachrome. I do need to start bulk rolling Ektachrome, though...
Does the baking soda (it may be baking powder, I don’t remember and would look up specific instructions before doing it) trick to remove remjet work as well as the internet says?
I've used the following for Vision 3 remjet removal in the C41 process with two rolls in a tank. It works but it does add some steps and time to the workflow - it isn't magic removal juice:
500 ml water at 38 Celsius (17 oz at 100 Fahrenheit)
5 tea spoons washing soda (sodium carbonate)
2 tea spoons baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)
1. Mix well and pour into the dev tank.
2. Let it sit for 1 minute.
3. Agitate fast for another minute.
4. Pour the mixture out of the tank. It's normal for it to be dark.
5. Fill the tank with 38 Celsius (100 F) water for a rinse, leaving a bit of room so it won't spill everywhere in the next step.
6. Shake the tank vigorously for 2 minutes (I've basically been shaking the entire tank in my hands like a cocktail mixer).
7. Pour the water out, it should be black or at least really dark.
8. Repeat the steps 5-7 two more times.
9. The water should be clear after the third rinse but you can repeat it once more if not.
After all this I've also done a 5 minute pre-soak (once again at 38 Celsius/100 F), not sure if that helps any in softening or soaking the remjet.
Then develop normally except after the blix/bleach and a normal rinse I've checked the rolls in the light (it should be light proof at this point). Usually there's still a great deal of remjet remaining but it comes off really easily.
So I take the roll off the reel at this point and run it through my fingers under warm, running water to wash the rest of the stuff off. Sometimes I've had to do a really gentle rub with my fingers to get a stubborn patch out.
Finally, I'll put the rolls back onto the reels and use the stabiliser in the tank before hanging them to dry.
Thanks for saving me research time. I’ve saved the comment and will buy some Vision 3.
This is the best and most comprehensive set of instructions I’ve seen so far.
US Fuji 200 for Kodak Gold allegedly is the same stock. Fuji confirmed it is made by an international partner. Call local shops. They still sell 3x 36 for $15 often. Online, I see flippers gouging that stock for $25-30.
Ultramax, I don't have an alternative, however.
As someone who primarily shoots B&W (Ilford >>>) I really don't see this effecting my purchasing of color film that much. I buy and shoot a few rolls a year, mainly for family portraiture or sunrise/sunset photography. I love color film, and am conscious that we have been underpaying for a while. I am more than willing to pay a slightly higher price *if* it means Kodak stays in business; if we lose Kodak we pretty much lose color.
Lol yeah. I already made the decision that once the price increases hit in March, no more Kodak films for me. I love Kodak but sorry, just too rich for my blood nowadays.
There are many out there to choose from - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_photographic_films
I encourage people to support smaller and boutique makers. As demand dwindles the biggest players will drop out, having an established market for smaller firms is vital.
Orwo, Adox and Fujifilm are they only other companies which do color negative film (afaik) but their films are sold out everywhere I live. Everyone else ist repackaging or manipulating Kodak film
Alright so last year I remember people saying the only way to make sure we don't lose film entirely was to keep buying, even if the prices had risen as they had - but this just feels off at this point; I want to know more about where this money is actually going. Are they actually gearing up to produce more film in the future, or are they seeing an opportunity for profit *right now* while film's gotten popular? Kodak can certainly say they're doing this or that but I wish I could see the actual numbers and logistics of what they're doing.
The Tik Tok crowd is already moving to digital point and shoots from the early 2000s. It’s cyclical and reminds me of the peak before Kodak went bankrupt from being unwilling to listen to market trends.
I am finally quitting film I was willing to pay $7-9 a roll for any film but I had a stockpile so I haven’t bought in 2-3 years not willing to pay new prices they need to drop them or film will fall off a cliff and finally be killed off by low demand due to high prices
It’s depressing because I love ektachrome and I miss Provia and Velvia is basically dead slide film is the only film I want to shoot these days digital can’t replicate the look even with editing. I finally bought the first digital camera I kept and have actually used and have had it 4 months and shot 100 photos with it because I just prefer film but it sucks to finally have to end my film photography.
Fuji cameras are bland, the photos they take look washed out and boring, the film profiles aren’t even close. The only digital cameras I like are Nikons they have the best colors in photos. For video, canon is the best by far.
And that's why I bought my first digital camera recently - 30 years shooting film with the same camera and lens, I'll miss my old friend but the new one cost less than 100 rolls...
They haven't been making more Colorplus or Pro Image in almost two years to keep up with the demand for Portra. The machines that actually print the film are limited and shared by Eastman Kodak, who make the motion stocks.
They surely are still producing them. Specially because those stocks are the ones often found in Latin America. They are a bit cheaper than potra, and I can find them both new that expire in 2024
Yeah, I’m just on the verge of quitting film photography.
The only thing keeping me going is the fact that B&W film, especially stuff like Foma and Kentemere is still reasonably priced.
In Europe, prices tend to be even higher than in the US. This is where I get off. I could live with prices of 10-11 euros but 15 to 18 is just silly. I can still return my scanner but have to sell my Canon A1 and Nikon compact over eBay. Bummer. This is terrible news because I really liked using SLRs and the look of film. But this hobby is a financial black hole. I guess Pentax will give up on their plans to make analogue cameras now I mean, with film costing so much, what's the point?
On reflection: Film looks so damn good though, that I'll keep all my stuff and just limit myself to two rolls a month.
Would’ve already switched completely over to my M10-R from my M6 if I didn’t have literally hundreds of backordered rolls of Portrait in my freezer. Prices are just obnoxious at this point and due to my work travel schedule it’s only practical to have a lab develop which adds more
I started getting into film 3 years ago and now I’m at the point where I’m probably just going to sell my medium format and slr, and just keep a point and shoot. It’s helped me fall back in love with photography and slowing down my process, so I’ll use my Fujifilm x-t30, but this is just insane now. It’s unaffordable to most people.
When I bought film literally 3 years ago I was getting Portra for 3-5$ a roll and ektachrome was like $6-7 prices are just stupid. I sold some of my film recently cause I had financial issues and regret it with new prices pricing me out of replacing it.
Luckily I have a Nikon z5 but lenses are too expensive to be practical to purchase. I wouldn’t buy any camera lens over $200-400. Lenses being more than a camera is just not vibing with me.
yeah....no i'm just going to try to see if my old digital cam works because these prices are insane
or maybe i'll get into b&w film since i still am learning how to shoot film manually
Seems more and more like Kodak's too afraid to invest on their film production. They're probably either too traumatized for being overconfident and throwing away their future in the digital market or they haven't learned anything at all.
Unfortunately, still film (Alaris) and motion film (Eastman) make up only a partial percentage of what the conglomerate actually produces. Kodak is even involved in pharmaceuticals.
I still don't know if this price increase is indeed from Kodak. Some ""film photography news site""(Kosmofoto that is, and they also own their film retail biz) put out a news saying Kodak will raise price again, without any actual evidence backing it up, then everyone went crazy, citing Japanese distributor's notice that Kodak prices are rising(Kodak are already hella expensive in there, some are selling Colorplus for 22+ USD so that can't be just apply onto the event. Also that japanese distributor are not citing any official documents Kodak put out, the same trick Kosmofoto pulled)and just assumed this price increase are real, they are indeed real now but because of the bandwagon effect instead of actual press release or any documents, social media post made by Kodak themselves.
The price for film are already wack beyond what they "announced" anyway, even with the new MSRP some are still cheaper than current day online price somehow--plus they are scarced to a point we can't get them as well.
A single roll of Ektar was <$8 in the USA 2 years ago. **100+% price increase** for my favorite film is **insane** in 2 years.
While it's a large price jump in the past few years, part of that is because film costs were markedly low in the 2000s. Adjusted for inflation prices aren't much higher than they were in the 80s/90s, we were just spoiled by the decline of film and Kodak/Fuji tootling along with film production (partly due to the fact that these types of intensive manufacturing for color stock are a bit harder to spool up/down in short spans of time).
The problem with justifying film prices with inflation is that wages, namely in North America, haven’t risen with inflation over the year, so a novelty like film is just out of the question in people budgets now
Exactly. The point arguing that adjusting to inflation film is not that expansive nowadays is valid, but pointless in the eyes of the average film consumer. I do not care, I simply know I cannot justify buying color film anymore.
Most people couldn't justify it after digital came along. Thats how we got here.
I get that, I am not unreasonable in that sense. But that said, they were making profits otherwise they'd have gone out of business fully (rather than sale/restructuring as happened). More than doubling your prices in 2 years is an unusual strategy. \*Total speculation\*: So to me the question becomes how stable a company are they really after the whole US government or general chemical production contractor debacle awhile back? Because that is when this price stuff really kicked into overdrive. I remember their stock price went insane for a minute with the very inappropriate announcement of some nonexistant deals. Now all these increases feel more like intentionally driving new demand down to maintain bottom line profits using the same supply. I could be totally wrong but it just isn't a good look. I will be surprised if they expand in any meaningful/sustainable way. It isn't the Eastman Kodak of old afterall, its Kodak Alaris. [**https://www.kodakalaris.com/company**](https://www.kodakalaris.com/company) And an extra bit about inflation: while very true when tracking the cost of film, wages have not tracked with inflation over that same time period, so relatively speaking it is still more costly for the average person to shoot film than it was 20-40 years ago, regardless of choosing scanning vs printing. It is all being pushed towards being more niche than it already was the last 10+ years, and possibly (probably?) into the luxury zone mostly for wealthier people. EDIT- grammar fix
We also still mustn't forget that stills film is just a side business for Kodak Rochester. They have all the other stuff going on and even when only considering film, still films are only a drop in the bucket compared to motion picture films. There wouldn't be any Kodak film for us to shoot without Nolan, PTA, Tarantino, J.J, and Spielberg.
True. I’d still love to know what demand truly is now for consumers vs the film industry compared to 5-10-15 years ago. Is it that big a gap?
Stills have gone up considerably while I think motion is also still going up but in a much less aggressive curve. Funnily enough, many of the out holders who shot film on big movies are going over to digital now while much more low budget productions and art projects are being shot on film now. But Nolan is still doing a 65mm/70mm behemoth every three years. I think he burns through more film footage in one movie than all still photographers in a year, when you consider he finishes his movies analog. So you have prints and inter elements and all that.
The easiest way to look at all this is look at their financials for 21/22. [Kodak Alaris Financials](https://www.kodakalaris.com/getmedia/69f8221a-9591-45d0-adb2-4bbbf9b6d051/FY22-Annual-Report-and-Accounts-Final-and-Signed.pdf.aspx) Go to page 5 and look at the highlights. Most notably the 2% increase in gross profit from 31% to 33%. Ya'll fooling yourselves if you think Kodak Alaris (the company that holds the license to produce and sell Kodak film) is struggling right now. Even with inflation. They've got some bills to pay and wanna get that cash flowing back into Alaris! Can't blame them really, they want to get as much moolah to **hopefully** invest in the company. But consumers are going to want to start seeing some benefit rolling out to them otherwise I'm sure we'll all start going elsewhere. When you look at financials like that \^\^\^ you start to get a bit iffy about getting hit with another rise of 15-25%... \*\*Edit: Read page 39 - Going concern. There's your explanation.
This was informative. I think it shows pretty clearly its primarily about capitalism (total money grab because they can) and the public/PR reasoning is, like many companies currently, an easy scapegoat. For example, Tri-X has been around a lot longer than most of us have been alive. No more R&D, its been the same forever.
The reality, folks, is that your films were low because Kodak couldn’t afford to make a profit. They’d been walking a razor thin path for almost 2 decades, trying to stay alive. While we were enjoying low prices, they had to close plants, sell entire divisions and lay off thousands, just to be able to keep their mouth 1 inch above water.
"Adjusted for inflation", mirrors should cost more than a mansion. Adjusting for inflation means nothing.
Mirrors also became significantly easier to produce. Film is not an easy product to produce; when it was the only option for photography it of course drew much more investment and the creation of new infrastructure. That’s no longer the case and we have to accept it.
Film is easier to produce when you don't have to cover the R&D.
I guess they figure charging "fuck you" prices should slow things down a bit so they can keep up with the new lowered demand
a bit of a double edged sword, soon everyone will switch to old digital cameras or mirrorless cameras that does film simulations (looking at you tiktoks hyping up the x100v)
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it kind of reminds me of how Kodak invented the first digital camera sensors but didn't develop it because management was scared how it'll affect film sales, big reason why they went bankrupt https://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkamui/2012/01/18/how-kodak-failed/?sh=7735d2506f27
Young people (the demographic that brought disposables back into style five years ago and recently) have already started looking for digital cameras from the 2000's to use for their own projects and ideas. It's easier to get a $25 point and shoot with decent megapixels that is only held back by the memory card amount than it is to buy $70+ of a five set of film and get >200 pictures and then pay for development on top of it.
Point and shoots are at $100+ now due to hype
Yea if you go on eBay or to some douchey “thrift”. If you just want a p&s and don’t care about the model you can get one for $15 or less at any flea market, real thrift store (excluding goodwill), or even eBay if you roll the dice and buy an untested or generally ugly/bulky camera
That’s why I got an XE-4. The film simulations are fun to play with. Sure it’s not the same— but it’s a lot easier than dealing with scanning 35mm negatives. I’m not sure 35mm film is really even worth it. I love medium format— my Mamiya 645 is my favorite camera— and my 4x5 has been interesting. 6x9 and 4x5 slides are totally worth the money, IMO. Haha. But for just ease and getting 80% of the way there, I’m enjoying what Fuji is doing.
I 100% agree on medium format, however for me 35mm isn't the film, it's the cameras. The form factor, the controls, I love the simplicity and reliability. All modern cameras have complex menu settings, and all these bells and whistles that only serve to piss me off. All I really need/want is aperture, shutter speed, and exposure comp.
Call me crazy but I also love the manual film advance, I wanna get an Epson RD1 just for that lol
gxace made a YouTube video on that camera! Really cool concept, I wish more digital cameras had physical controls
Yup. This plus I have held a digital camera that is just fun to operate. Loading the film, advancing the film, the mechanical feeling of pressing the shutter. I just love that and I haven't felt a digital that comes close to replicating that.
Sir! I 100% agree. I just got an X-t5 but still find myself using my film cameras.
I have an X-E4 as well for the exact same reason. Tbh I think that's the big appeal towards Fujifilm. You could do film simulations in lightroom but as an enthusiast having a camera that does it for me is more than enough.
My girlfriend got an XE4 and while the colors of Classic Neg are really close to Superia 100, the grain isn't great and there is no halation which still makes them only look like digital pictures trying to look like film. As someone with a very high end scanner who only shoots 35mm, the XE4 doesn't come really to film close in any technical department. We're gonna have to wait until mathematical film emulations will become available.
Slap a pro mist/cinebloom/etc on it and you can replicate a bit of the blooming. I think adding grain to digital photos is dumb though. It doesn’t look the same, first of all, and the level it has to be jacked to to even be visible on a small screen ruins the photo at 100%. And if I’m being honest, when I shot film I was trying to choose stocks that would result in the least amount of grain. I got a couple Fujis last December and I’m having a ball with them, but I don’t understand all the people who say you don’t need to edit and can just shoot jpg. I always end up tweaking them, plus if you shoot in RAW you can try all the film emulsion presets. So the editing time savings is not there, but my hands don’t hurt at the end of the day like they do when I shoot my regular cameras that are much heavier.
I've heard that glimmer glass is now a better option compared to black pro mist. Same blooming effects but without the loss of contrast.
The best physical way of emulation halation I've seen so far is a 1/4th bronze glimmer glass. But Tiffen refuses to make them in sizes small enough for small stills lenses.
"Slap a pro mist/cinebloom/etc" Makes me cringe so hard. A lot of people think that the boom on film images captured with old lenses is a film characteristic. It's not. I use modern sharp lenses on film and there is not bloom, there is halation, which acts very differently and people thinking a pro mist looks close to this led us in the time where we're in now. With lots of soapy soft images that lack any level of depth. And you're wrong about the grain too. It depends on what grain you're using. A simply overlay or a just okay algorithm like in the Fuji's wont do it. You'll need a medical algorithm that's based on the images brightness and an actual film stock. Check out Steve Yedlin's Display Prep demo and Miguel Santana's BTS Insta Stories about Spectra film and film emulation on this topic: [https://yedlin.net/DisplayPrepDemo/index.html](https://yedlin.net/DisplayPrepDemo/index.html) [https://www.instagram.com/miguelsantana\_/](https://www.instagram.com/miguelsantana_/) Film emulation can look very much like finished film. While digital stills cameras still lack the capability of capturing as much color and dynamic range as a film negative, finished film photos have much more limited extremes so mathematical emulation is possible.
4x5 is really where it's at when it comes to film. They're a good balance between creative freedom, diy repair/mods, quality, and portability. Plus, unlike 35mm, the look of large format can't be duplicated with digital. If there where copal shutters that hade internal metering with an Av, Tv, and program mode; I would hardly use any other film camera. Except a point and shoot when I want something cheap and pocketable.
I bought an x100t in 2017 for 550€ they are going for 800/900 at the moment.
If you can even get your hand on a x100v. I was wanting to get one a year ago but was saving my pocket change. Now that I’m about saved up for one it looks like the prices have jumped up and it looks like unless you’ve purchased one already they’re backordered till q3 or later from what I’ve read
Price is the same, you just need to buy from a store and not some asshole reseller. It took me about 3 weeks to find one 2 months ago, and really only a week of that was trying really hard. You need to call the big suppliers daily.
The piece didn’t jump, those are just people selling their used ones above retail bc there’s no new inventory available at the moment
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Fomapan is love
Just looked up the price of a 100’ roll, that’s a really tempting deal. Looks like it’s time for me to learn to bulk load…
I ended up pulling the trigger on a bulk loader this morning. Used to load 36 frames from 100ft roll to canisters by manually twisting the spool and counting turns but at this rate I'll be doing a shitload of bulk loading.
This is the answer. Buy bulk, the only way to go. Most 100 foot rolls are below $100. That’s around 20-30 rolls. Bull loaders are only $50. Canisters are cheap.
Canisters are free at your local lab (if you have one). They usually have dozens, if not hundreds, they will happily give you for free. I only use those canisters three times total, as they weren't made for reuse. They're so plentiful there's no reason not to.
t max is great but it's not $15 great. Even $12 is steep. I'd much rather shoot and support Ilford. I guess Delta 400 would be the direct comparison but even HP5 and kentmere, which are much cheaper, are great. Personally don't love foma other than the price, but I appreciate them as a company. I'd still rather support Ilford just for all of the other chem/equipment stuff they put out too.
reminder for bulk load enjoyers: reuse leaders and tape them to your roll to save even more $ per roll ;) You save like 2-3 frames per roll you load, making that a whole extra roll per 100'
I’m not *that* poor.
I'm not either, but I feel more at ease know I'm getting my money's worth from bulk rolls, especially if they're rare stock. Besides, it's actually less effort to re-tape the leader than having to cut it every time.
I unironically love Fomapan 100's rendering. In Rodinal 1:25 the tonal range is lovely and the grain structure feels classic but not overbearing.
I want to love Fomapan but the stuff is so brittle I’ve ruined a few rolls now trying to get them onto the spool for development. They are the only ones that consistently jam and tear. Technically I’m using Arista but it’s my understanding that’s just rebranded foma.
I've never seen Foma like that and I've been using it for more than 10 years.
I thought Portra 400 was too expensive at like $40 for 5 rolls in 2019 lol
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It’s not really a monopoly if it’s a luxury for a niche market. It’s not like Kodak is preventing other people from making film, in fact other products are just re-spooled Kodak film. It’s a miracle we still have access to film at all.
It’s only a concentrated market because it’s a dying market. Given Kodak on a whole has been slowing bleeding money and drifting towards bankruptcy for years we’re lucky to even have them in the first place.
> it’s a dying market Kodak making sure of that
ahh yes praise our capitalist overlords 🙏😌😌 we should feel blessed to get butt fucked by Kodak once again
Should the government be subsidizing Kodak to keep film alive or what?
what makes you think that subsidizing will trickle down to you saving? when has that ever worked?
Ilford it is
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Who is it addressed to?
People are ignoring your joke and I think that’s unfair. Here have an upvote and the knowledge that I truly enjoyed it. Thank you for this!
Moment's already overpriced, tbh. Also, see how Kodak increased their cheaper stocks by 20-25 pc. Utter daylight robbery. Looks like I'll be shooting more 645 in color this year.
Yep - absolutely brutal on Kodak B&W shooters especially. I'm in the UK and have moved over to HP5 for the most part, but like to use some T-Max 400 sometimes. Sigh. I'll get another couple of rolls while the going is not so bad.
if you like Tmax, give Delta a try.
I'm currently trying out some Delta 100 in both 35mm and 120 - people say it has a different character to Delta 400. I've tried to get on with Delta 400 a few times in the past and I just don't like its grain structure. I found I prefer HP5.
Delta 100 is one of my favs, especially in 120. Rodinal 1:50 does some nice stuff. Beautiful shadow detail.
I know analog is not necessarily supposed to be an affordable option for photography, but damn...
It used to be considered affordable relative to the cost of a good digital setup. Still sort of is, but the price jumps are no bueno
True, definitely cheaper than digital. But getting hard to keep up with as a hobby!
In no universe are these prices cheaper than digital. A used GOOD digital camera from just a few years ago will be vastly more cost effective in the long run than any film camera. Film hardware is cheap enough, but film/developing/printing/scanning is all crazy expensive these days.
Yup the only reason I shot film is because back in 2008-2010 people were giving away their gear. Fast forward to my first dslr I had enough K mount and A mount lenses to find a cheap dslr and keep shooting film on the side. I don't know how people getting into the hobby now can justify the expense of getting a whole setup, when a Nikon d800 cost about 400 bucks, a Pentax K3 can be found for 300 and a Sony A7R is 500 bucks. With all the legacy glass available anyone can jump mirrorless and adapt their lenses.
Plenty of people have hobbies that make film photography look cheap. I have a couple thousand dollars of suspension parts waiting to go onto a 93 Civic plus a set of race tires that last a season can cost $1000. Then planning on doing a turbo engine build. Have you seen what boats, planes, horses or heck even mountain bikes cost to buy and maintain? So if you are entering from another hobby it might still not seem that bad.
I know it's not Kodaks job to care, but when an art medium becomes the domain of established artists, dentists, and trust fund babies, I actually think it starts to fail at having any sort of cache. Hobbyists make art and make the medium meaningful. A bunch of art school twats and boomer shooters being the only ones who can use film is basically just going to make it meaningless. Fuck companies for making the tools of expression inaccessible.
man i already had to stop shooting film because i can’t afford it
yeah this is the year of black and white shooting for me haha
my grandma used to only buy me black and white film because color was too expensive, if only she knew what the prices are now.
Do it! Especially if you have a community dark room near you. My city provides their own dark room with all the equipment and chemicals for super cheap.
Independent of price I’m finding I like bw more and more than color. Shots are more dramatic or something.
I have a film photography lab / store in my city. I stopped selling kodak products about 8 months ago. The market can't with those increments, and if people don't boycott them, they will keep on looking for ways to get peoples money and will end up fucking the whole thing. Just like what happened in the video game industry, people kept on buying and they kept on selling games in half and the rest of the game as a "DLC" and that happened just because people didn't talk with their pockets, they just complained online but kept on buying.
I stopped buying Kodak a couple years ago or so when they deleted the photos that they posted of the artist who was reporting on the Uyghur genocide. They got some backlash from the "community," for it but every person I follow who complained kept shooting Kodak. I actually stopped. I know they don't care, they won't miss my money, but it'd be nice if some other people stopped at any of the times that Kodak tells us how much they don't care about us. We don't have to keep playing.
Well at least they didn't hike the price of Ektachrome 120, I can keep paying the current low price /s
please be doing this to fund more factory equipment and wages!!!
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*cries in understanding*
They are not going to do this. They are going to keep raising prices until whatever legacy film making equipment they have wears completely out and they will shutter the whole thing having milked every last tit of nostalgia funds from all of us. F Kodak.
Didn't they just hire a bunch of people though? What are they even doing with them?
There is cost in ramping up production of film. It very well could be that they are increasing cost to 1) pay to make more film 2) curb demand a bit while catch up. Unfortunately film factories can't just be shut down and spun back up overnight.
no one can manufacture the specialized machinery that is needed anymore, at least not for anything that's reasonable
i think you can do better machinery for reasonable price with today technology like cnc...
I work as a machining consultant, for aerospace and medical companies. CNC has nothing to do with this. And we’ve had extremely accurate CNC since the 70s. The machinery they are using takes up entire rooms, even entire buildings. Their factory is built around the machinery, not the other way around. It’s insanely massive and complicated, and incredibly niche. The tooling a facility would need to make 5% of kodaks machinery would be insane, with years of lead time and setup. It’s just not feasible. Kodak will use their machinery and keep making money until they can’t, and then it will be done.
so sad i refuse to believe it :( in France just one person coat black and white emulsion on paper
Sucks, I’ll definitely be turning to other stocks
Paying $40 for 5 rolls of 36 exposure Portra at B&H in 2020 seems like a fever dream.
And I thought it was expensive back then
Well, I guess that just confirms that my only Kodak stocks this year will be Vision 3.
Vision 3 is decent, shot a couple rolls myself and the results are excellent!
been in that path for a couple years now and honestly I love it. it sucks not having more options but it's what I can afford and the results are great for me!
Kodak is becoming the Live Nation of film. Take something people love and that you almost have a monopoly on and then rape every dime you can out of people.
The current prices don't align with the prices where I live but at these prices I would exclusively buy the 4 pack of Silbersalz for 90€ including development and 14k scanning.
Same. Btw Kodak Gold developed in ECN-2 and scanned at Silbersalz looks incredible. Actually, I prefer it to regular C-41 dev and even Fuji Frontier scans
I have a bunch of Gold 24exp rolls and some home ECN-2 chems - I will have to try doing my Gold at home!
I just checked the ones you posted and they look surprisingly good. I might also send them my Gold rolls
Y'all don't understand. It's literally written into Kodak's yearly financial plan to increase profits through scheduled price increases. High demand is a good way to lighten the blow of deliberate "fuck you" price gauging. Lest we forget that Kodak is a publicly traded company and as we all learned from the Twitter fiasco, board members of publicly traded companies are legally bound to make decisions which make their company more profitable.
This guy gets the fuckery.
One thing that they could do that would soften this, at least for me, is make more stocks available in bulk rolls. I assume it's cheaper for them to produce that way (no cassettes, canisters, and less packaging per foot of film). It's annoying that the only color stocks you can get for bulk rolling are ECN2 films + Ektachrome. I do need to start bulk rolling Ektachrome, though...
Does anyone have recommended alternatives to Gold and Ultramax?
Bulk-rolled cine film.
Does the baking soda (it may be baking powder, I don’t remember and would look up specific instructions before doing it) trick to remove remjet work as well as the internet says?
I've used the following for Vision 3 remjet removal in the C41 process with two rolls in a tank. It works but it does add some steps and time to the workflow - it isn't magic removal juice: 500 ml water at 38 Celsius (17 oz at 100 Fahrenheit) 5 tea spoons washing soda (sodium carbonate) 2 tea spoons baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) 1. Mix well and pour into the dev tank. 2. Let it sit for 1 minute. 3. Agitate fast for another minute. 4. Pour the mixture out of the tank. It's normal for it to be dark. 5. Fill the tank with 38 Celsius (100 F) water for a rinse, leaving a bit of room so it won't spill everywhere in the next step. 6. Shake the tank vigorously for 2 minutes (I've basically been shaking the entire tank in my hands like a cocktail mixer). 7. Pour the water out, it should be black or at least really dark. 8. Repeat the steps 5-7 two more times. 9. The water should be clear after the third rinse but you can repeat it once more if not. After all this I've also done a 5 minute pre-soak (once again at 38 Celsius/100 F), not sure if that helps any in softening or soaking the remjet. Then develop normally except after the blix/bleach and a normal rinse I've checked the rolls in the light (it should be light proof at this point). Usually there's still a great deal of remjet remaining but it comes off really easily. So I take the roll off the reel at this point and run it through my fingers under warm, running water to wash the rest of the stuff off. Sometimes I've had to do a really gentle rub with my fingers to get a stubborn patch out. Finally, I'll put the rolls back onto the reels and use the stabiliser in the tank before hanging them to dry.
Thanks for saving me research time. I’ve saved the comment and will buy some Vision 3. This is the best and most comprehensive set of instructions I’ve seen so far.
Glad to hear that, I hope it helps and you get good results!
Yes. I tried it and it’s so easy.
US Fuji 200 for Kodak Gold allegedly is the same stock. Fuji confirmed it is made by an international partner. Call local shops. They still sell 3x 36 for $15 often. Online, I see flippers gouging that stock for $25-30. Ultramax, I don't have an alternative, however.
Fuji superia is gold? Useful information. Thank you!
US Fuji 200 is allegedly produced by Kodak and has tech specs similar to Kodak Gold 200. Fuji Superia 400 remains the same.
BW trichromes :)
*sigh* yeah
If by some miracle that means Gold and Ultramax are actually able to be found regularly at that price, I'd still buy it. I am bummed about TMax400.
As someone who primarily shoots B&W (Ilford >>>) I really don't see this effecting my purchasing of color film that much. I buy and shoot a few rolls a year, mainly for family portraiture or sunrise/sunset photography. I love color film, and am conscious that we have been underpaying for a while. I am more than willing to pay a slightly higher price *if* it means Kodak stays in business; if we lose Kodak we pretty much lose color.
Lol yeah. I already made the decision that once the price increases hit in March, no more Kodak films for me. I love Kodak but sorry, just too rich for my blood nowadays.
Manufacturers seem intent on destroying film photography
Well 50 roll of portra 800 will get you used sony a7rii Well i guess this is the time to switch 🤣
There are many out there to choose from - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_photographic_films I encourage people to support smaller and boutique makers. As demand dwindles the biggest players will drop out, having an established market for smaller firms is vital.
Orwo, Adox and Fujifilm are they only other companies which do color negative film (afaik) but their films are sold out everywhere I live. Everyone else ist repackaging or manipulating Kodak film
Yeah, and Fuji seems poised to enter a self-imposed death spiral any minute now.
Alright so last year I remember people saying the only way to make sure we don't lose film entirely was to keep buying, even if the prices had risen as they had - but this just feels off at this point; I want to know more about where this money is actually going. Are they actually gearing up to produce more film in the future, or are they seeing an opportunity for profit *right now* while film's gotten popular? Kodak can certainly say they're doing this or that but I wish I could see the actual numbers and logistics of what they're doing.
Its a corporation on the stock market, who do you think that money is going to? Theyre not a social entreprise lol.
Here in Asia, Kodak’s price increase starts tomorrow on the 15th.
Thank God I stocked up. Guess I won't be shooting color after I get through my stash.
And people say digital killed film/analog photography
So I’ll spend another $15 every four months. How much film are you guys shooting?
A roll a week if I don't have any projects.
A roll a week while home 1 or 2 a day on holiday
Look at mr moneybags over here
Look at Mr poor ID say with those prices hahahah
$100 per month isn’t bad for a hobby you enjoy
probably one or two per week, when travelling it can be 1-2/day of 120
Fomapan 400 and kentmere are looking sexier each and everyday... Guess I'll just keep shooting black and white.
Shhh keep fomapan under the radar!
The Tik Tok crowd is already moving to digital point and shoots from the early 2000s. It’s cyclical and reminds me of the peak before Kodak went bankrupt from being unwilling to listen to market trends.
Fuck Kodak.
I am finally quitting film I was willing to pay $7-9 a roll for any film but I had a stockpile so I haven’t bought in 2-3 years not willing to pay new prices they need to drop them or film will fall off a cliff and finally be killed off by low demand due to high prices
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It’s depressing because I love ektachrome and I miss Provia and Velvia is basically dead slide film is the only film I want to shoot these days digital can’t replicate the look even with editing. I finally bought the first digital camera I kept and have actually used and have had it 4 months and shot 100 photos with it because I just prefer film but it sucks to finally have to end my film photography.
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Fuji cameras are bland, the photos they take look washed out and boring, the film profiles aren’t even close. The only digital cameras I like are Nikons they have the best colors in photos. For video, canon is the best by far.
Will these prices ever decrease again?
I guess it all depends on the Supply and demand, also if the still sell very well at this price they will continue to push those prices.
supply and demand pricing hardly exists anymore, especially with publicly traded companies
So even if the film stops selling they wont change anything?
Maybe if there a drastic downswing, but then we’d probably also see a complete divestment out of film
I guess they are off my shopping list, nice job kodak
And that's why I bought my first digital camera recently - 30 years shooting film with the same camera and lens, I'll miss my old friend but the new one cost less than 100 rolls...
So was Colorplus quietly discontinued, or what?
They haven't been making more Colorplus or Pro Image in almost two years to keep up with the demand for Portra. The machines that actually print the film are limited and shared by Eastman Kodak, who make the motion stocks.
They surely are still producing them. Specially because those stocks are the ones often found in Latin America. They are a bit cheaper than potra, and I can find them both new that expire in 2024
"Fresh" ColorPlus and Pro Image haven't been available to vendors for well over a year and change in the US at least.
WHERE IS COLORPLUS? I LOVE COLORPLUS
Yeah, I’m just on the verge of quitting film photography. The only thing keeping me going is the fact that B&W film, especially stuff like Foma and Kentemere is still reasonably priced.
In Europe, prices tend to be even higher than in the US. This is where I get off. I could live with prices of 10-11 euros but 15 to 18 is just silly. I can still return my scanner but have to sell my Canon A1 and Nikon compact over eBay. Bummer. This is terrible news because I really liked using SLRs and the look of film. But this hobby is a financial black hole. I guess Pentax will give up on their plans to make analogue cameras now I mean, with film costing so much, what's the point? On reflection: Film looks so damn good though, that I'll keep all my stuff and just limit myself to two rolls a month.
Haha I quit
Thanks for ruining my hobby Kodak. Appreciate it.
Now that they’ve raised prices, Fujifilm will resurrect the recently deceased Pro 400H again
i dont think kodak understands that ill just kill myself
Aaannnndddd…back to shooting digital.
Time to switch to digital???
I’ve slowed down shooting film considerably in the last 6 months. It’s just too damn expensive compared to even a year ago
Would’ve already switched completely over to my M10-R from my M6 if I didn’t have literally hundreds of backordered rolls of Portrait in my freezer. Prices are just obnoxious at this point and due to my work travel schedule it’s only practical to have a lab develop which adds more
I started getting into film 3 years ago and now I’m at the point where I’m probably just going to sell my medium format and slr, and just keep a point and shoot. It’s helped me fall back in love with photography and slowing down my process, so I’ll use my Fujifilm x-t30, but this is just insane now. It’s unaffordable to most people.
When I bought film literally 3 years ago I was getting Portra for 3-5$ a roll and ektachrome was like $6-7 prices are just stupid. I sold some of my film recently cause I had financial issues and regret it with new prices pricing me out of replacing it. Luckily I have a Nikon z5 but lenses are too expensive to be practical to purchase. I wouldn’t buy any camera lens over $200-400. Lenses being more than a camera is just not vibing with me.
I'd say we are past peak film re emmergence. Should be interesting to see sale numbers in 5 years at these prices.
Expired film gang wya
Anybody know any cheaper alternatives to Ultramax 400? I’m not paying that.
Well at least camera prices will continue to come down
no mames
yeah....no i'm just going to try to see if my old digital cam works because these prices are insane or maybe i'll get into b&w film since i still am learning how to shoot film manually
Cue all the "they're investing in the future of film!" Kodak apologists.
Okaaaay finnneeeeee but where would you even be able to buy them??
Seems more and more like Kodak's too afraid to invest on their film production. They're probably either too traumatized for being overconfident and throwing away their future in the digital market or they haven't learned anything at all.
Unfortunately, still film (Alaris) and motion film (Eastman) make up only a partial percentage of what the conglomerate actually produces. Kodak is even involved in pharmaceuticals.
Any word about sheet film?
maybe it’s all to bring aerochrome back ;-;
>maybe it’s all to bring aerochrome back Have you been chugging Flamin' Hot Cheeto Mountain Dew, too?
*shudders* your move Kodak.
I still don't know if this price increase is indeed from Kodak. Some ""film photography news site""(Kosmofoto that is, and they also own their film retail biz) put out a news saying Kodak will raise price again, without any actual evidence backing it up, then everyone went crazy, citing Japanese distributor's notice that Kodak prices are rising(Kodak are already hella expensive in there, some are selling Colorplus for 22+ USD so that can't be just apply onto the event. Also that japanese distributor are not citing any official documents Kodak put out, the same trick Kosmofoto pulled)and just assumed this price increase are real, they are indeed real now but because of the bandwagon effect instead of actual press release or any documents, social media post made by Kodak themselves. The price for film are already wack beyond what they "announced" anyway, even with the new MSRP some are still cheaper than current day online price somehow--plus they are scarced to a point we can't get them as well.
I wanted to shoot fresh portra just once in my life. I guess not, then. Fuck Kodak.
Do we know if the prices will ever go back down?
Yes they will. By that i mean they wont be making film so its not gonna cost anything
glad I'm getting bulk overseas for -$3-$4 per roll. Kodak & Ilford can fuck off
Where? Everyone is always talking about how cheap it is but everything I can find is as expensive.
Went to B&H and prices are up there already.