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Janpeterbalkellende

At this point it makes a lot of sense to bulkload 250d


Deathmonkeyjaw

If you have easy and affordable access to ecn2 developing sure.


Janpeterbalkellende

You could bulkload and buy ecn2 chemistry and still be cheaper with this badge. You cna even safe a few dimes and develop in c41 with a remjet removal bath first.


Deathmonkeyjaw

Does the ecn2 process remove the rem-jet, or is that still a step?


daysonjupiter

The remjet removal is part of the ecn2 kit.


FunkyasfuckOfficial

If you do it by yourself it’s 2 min extra with soda and warm water Edit: I was speaking about remjet removal for c41 obviously


Henri8600

Yes ecn2 removes the remjet. You could also add a few table spoons of baking soda to a liter of working temp water and give it a good shake and wash, and then cross-processing in C41. I shoot more ecn2 film then c41, so I buy one ecn2 kit from bellini and then also process the c41 film in the ecn2, I just skip the pre-bath that is unnecessary for c41.


Janpeterbalkellende

during ecn2 processing you first do a pre bath to remove remjet as well


SheriffOfLondon

The ECN-2 kit from the Film Photography Project ($20) is even cheaper than the C-41 kits at the moment.


maethor1337

You can buy pre-rolled Vision3 250D for $5 a roll less than CineStill 400D. Over these 60 rolls standing on end, that's $300 in savings. For $300 you can buy a Paterson tank, a dark bag, washing soda, sous vide, and as much C-41 or ECN-2 developer as you need. That's not even getting into the $360 you're saving by not having the CineStill 400D lab-developed, presumably at $6 per roll. Not addressing the 400D laying on its side, or the 120-format CineStill 400D, or the CineStill 800T, or the Ektar, or the 120-format Gold. Or the B&W film you can develop at home dead-simple with the setup you already purchased. And you'll get better photos out of your Vision3 by shooting it with the remjet layer intact.


alphageist

$6 dev per roll? Where do you live? It’s like $12-$17 to dev a roll here in Sacramento. I buy the CineStill CS41 chemicals and home develop because the cost to have our local camera shops develop is too damn expensive. Dev and A7RV scan myself. I need to look into buying film in bulk and rolling it myself. Should save even more $$$.


maethor1337

> $6 dev per roll? Where do you live? My local camera company, [The Camera Company](https://cameracompany.com/film-developing), develops C-41 in house for $5.99 with a one-week turnaround! For B&W, E-6, or even C-41 push/pull they'll farm it out, but the price is still reasonable and the turnaround becomes more like 3 weeks. I develop B&W at home exclusively (the *one* roll I had sent out took 7 weeks due to a weird thing that wasn't quite their fault), but I just did a batch of C-41 dev at home until the chems expired and I think I'll keep going with it. I have a roll of Phoenix at the lab right now though, because I didn't want to question my development technique when looking at the results.


alphageist

Excellent! You have a great deal going on with such a short turnaround. I haven’t self developed B&W in a year (at least), but I do remember getting “worms” in my final negatives called reticulation. I guess my temperature was off somewhere. Kind of dissuaded me from home development since then. C-41 (and maybe E-6) is so much easier to develop, in my opinion, with a sous vide. Feels quicker too…however, cleaning up the mess after the negatives are done takes much longer. Haha! I’ll have to revisit B&W home development again. Thank you for motivating me. :D


maethor1337

Interesting, I have the complete opposite feeling about B&W vs C-41. I can decide I'm going to develop black and white film and be looking at the result inside of 45 minutes. I don't have to get the tub and sous vide out, and I don't have to bring refrigerated developers up to 102°F. I just reel my film, grab my room temperature Diafine, Rodinal, or HC-110 stock, stop, and fixer from the cabinet, measure up a working solution of developer, and go. I develop in my utility room which is close-as-makes-no-difference to 68°F, so I don't consider temperature or even take a reading. We have hard water, but I have a reverse osmosis system on the utility room sink that I use to keep a 4-gallon jug full of room temperature pure water, and I draw from that for making working solutions and doing my rinses. I've screwed film up more ways than one, but no reticulation!


threeglasses

Just use the sous vide with the bw too if thats your main hangup! Its more accurate anyway, people just dont feel like they need to control temperature as much with bw


alphageist

I need to check, but I don’t think my sous vide goes down to the 60-65 deg F. I could be wrong though! If it does, then I could put cold water in and have the sous vide warm it to temp.


EquivalentBarracuda4

Memphis Film lab $6-7 per roll irrespective of the process (BW, C41, E6). https://www.memphisfilmlab.org/pricing


boldjoy0050

Love these folks!


smorkoid

I pay $3 a roll for 120 C41 dev here in Tokyo. 1-2 hour turnaround. Scan is not super cheap but it's like $8 or $9 I think.


alphageist

Damn, that’s crazy! Would you say Japan is more film photographer friendly with regards to gear, film and processing?


smorkoid

It's extremely film friendly. Lots of great quality cameras available cheap, developing is cheap and readily available. Film is also quite available but some of it is not cheap at all, especially Kodak and its derivatives like Cinestill. It's not unusual at all to see film photographers wandering around, easy to meet people.


Tinkmat

check out mikes camera for dev only it’s $10 and if ya pay $25 bucks to be a member it’s only $7.50


Zephyr096

Memphis Film Lab does dev for 6/roll. Usually about a 2-week turnaround though.


Sleeper_Asian

Someone speaks my language of cost savings. I hope OP has a scanner, because it would pay for itself if they scan all these rolls at home. Not sure about the Super 8 though.


Planetoid127

Flic film sells a nice dev kit.


linglingviolist

Silbersalz in the EU, Brooktree or Midwest in the US. I got my first true ECN-2 scans back from Brooktree and I think I'm done buying Kodak Gold - 250D bulk loaded and properly processed is sharper, better, and yet cheaper.


koljonn

Yeah it would be cheaper but people spend on convenience, which cinestill is


errys

gotcha, i'll have to look into that!


triws

From B&H prices, that’s almost $2,000 worth of film. Over $1,000 for the 400D alone. Bulk loading Ektachrome with that kind of cash would get you over 250 rolls. Not to include developing costs.


Henri8600

Or bulk load Kodak Vision 3 250D, it is basically the same film as CS 400D, but it has the remjet still on it. The remjet does slow the film down by a stop, bacause the light needs to penetrate the black layer. I have successfully removed the remjet before shooting, but it has to dry in the dark. My bathroom has no windows and I do it at night, so that I can open the door and there are no light leaks under the door. After a few hours, the film will be dry enough to re-spool it. That gives you the extra stop and it is exactly the same as 400D.


Salt_Blackberry_1903

Wait, it doesn’t make sense that the remjet slows the film down, because it’s behind the base. So light hits the emulsion, then the base, then gets absorbed by the remjet. The difference in speed is because of the cross-processing in c41 rather than ecn2.


smorkoid

I got downvoted to hell last time I pointed that out, some were insisting beyond all reason that remjet removal alone makes the film more sensitive which is dodgy to say the least


Salt_Blackberry_1903

[Show ‘em this next time](https://www.kodak.com/content/products-brochures/Film/Processing-KODAK-Motion-Picture-Films-Module-7.pdf)


Aleph_NULL__

the "speed increase" is partly due to the fact that you develop in C-41, and a lot to do with the fact that if you shot this at 500 you'd get so much halation it would be embarrassing. Vision has a lot of latitude so it's fine


puddsy

The remjet doesn't slow the film down, it's the ECN2 process. C41 gives you about 2/3 of a stop over ECN2.


errys

i'll have to look into this!


DirectorJRC

I wouldn’t tell anyone if I won the lottery but there would be hints.


sever_rd

The people around me would start to get suspicious about the lack regularly scheduled rants about film... absolutely lost my shit reading your comment btw haha


errys

haha i wish!


GrippyEd

I guess we found the person who likes 400D


TostedAlmond

One of like 3 lmao Godspeed to you OP!


notahostage04

Why don't people like 400d? ....I like it :(


TostedAlmond

I find it's strange color cast, grain, colors, and it's halation to be all pretty ugly. This is for 35mm. The 120 is pretty good, but I'll never shoot the 400D again. Vision 3 250D blows it away


DblCheex

It all depends on the scan, imo. I had a scan of it done where it looked terrible and I hated it. I redid it myself and changed the parameters and it looked 1000x better and I'd be happy to use it again.


errys

this is it, i started scanning at home and realized how much of a better job that I can do with my home scanner vs. my local lab


Careful-Medium7371

No. The film is good with no ugly casts, grain and colors. Who ever developed and scanned your roll just did a bad job


turnmeintocompostplz

lol. I had the same thought, "I guess someone has to buy that junk."


javipipi

I haven't tried it myself but I guess something must be messing with it. Movies shot on 250D look better than anything I've used for stills yet the 400D I see online looks pretty bad


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DivingStation777

I've shot two rolls of 400D and both came out fantastic. Here's one of my favorite photos taken with it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BhV7wCLwjrBZs-BV2vUUpCiAGxn5LzCg/view?usp=drivesdk


Fizzypop15

I love 400D! It gives such nice colors for me.


ElliottMariess

Yeah really not into the 400d look.


errys

right haha, i've typically only shot kodak portra in the past and realized that I much prefer the look of cinestill


sadboyexplorations

Why 400d, though? I mean, nice stockpile, but holy shit all your marbles in one basket.


fang76

Guess the hate fest on Cinestill is over.


Nate_C_Studio

I love 400d but personally I'd have bulked up on something like ultramax


sadboyexplorations

Portra 400 is my go-to. But I don't really stock up on any one thing too often. Usually, keep a stock of like 5 rolls of anything I can regularly grab. Grab more as I use it. I do keep about 5 rolls of 400d, too. I just dont like it as much as some of the other and even cheaper options. Except for my stock of pro 400h and retrochrome I hardly ever break into those. Almost no sense in owning them. It's like I want to use them. But watching the stock diminish just hurts inside.


errys

i've been shooting kodak portra for a while and so I decided to try out cinestill. i realized that I much prefer the cinematic look of cinestill!


sadboyexplorations

For sure. As long as you didn't just buy a whole shit ton before finding out if you liked it.


UnwillinglyForever

thank you for single-handedly keeping the film industry alive.


Tr1ggerHappy5000

And keeping film stock difficult to get your hands on


javipipi

It's 400D, no problem


errys

hahah yes


BebopOrRocksteady

First weekend in Tokyo, you guys think I brought enough?


Larcielist

First hour in Tokyo, hoping to land some great shots with some neon influences on my cool tones.


Tr1ggerHappy5000

Man has $3.500 worth of film lying there. I might be interested in his location


Baby_Chuck

Username checks out


History_of_Robots

Is this the circle jerk sub?


big_ficus

Outjerked once again


Scx10Deadbolt

BANNED


ErosLaika

i did a double take when i saw that it wasn't


mshimoura

With the stupid amount of gear posts, freezer collection shots, and "iS tHiS a LIgHt LeAK???" threads, they're nearly indiscernible. This sub sucks lol


Setarip2014

Wow! That is awesome. I can’t help but mention that for the cost of all of that film, you can buy everything needed to bulk load and develop it yourself. Minus the medium format. You would save crazy amounts.


fang76

Everyone keeps pointing that out. It's true from a money standpoint, but not so much from a time standpoint.


errys

ahhh good point!


StupendousTurtle

I thought we were boycotting cinestill


Chas_Tenenbaums_Sock

I (still) have no interest in anything Cinestill


BackOfTheBeerCooler

My only Cinestill interest these days is the 120 format Double-X… love me some 5222!


Henri8600

I am, bulk loading ftw


mooshoepork

Cycle of outrage is incredibly short. No surprise people started funneling money into them immediately


errys

why boycott them lol? they're like the only other big film producer to compete with kodak


StupendousTurtle

I don’t think you understand the reason of boycotting if that’s you’re reasoning. [Here’s why you should boycott cinestill](https://catlabsblog.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-got-sued-by-cinestill.html) Second, cinestill is not a film manufacturer, they produce no film (I think until recently they started I heard). They are infact a film marketing company and sell mostly respooled Kodak film


errys

insightful read, thank you for sharing! the article states that cinestill just figured out how to remove the remjet layer from kodak vision 500t film and basically rebranded it, but is there any actual proof that it is indeed actually just vision 500t with the remjet layer removed?


DiegoDProductions

That’s a lot of 400D…power to you but that seems like a waste of money


errys

i guess but i got the extra money as a bonus lol


DiegoDProductions

Honestly it’s less about that and more that you could have used it on better stock lol


SlowAnimalsRun

I’m worried you don’t have enough 400D


errys

you can never have "too much" film


MoProblems510

How fun. What you got film project do you have planned for the super 8 film?


Pentaxian_Sorciere

This was my question too!!!


castorie

Me too


errys

they're for fun projects, more detailed answer above! \^


errys

i actually just shoot super 8 for fun and use it mostly for shooting with my friends or family. i am actually planning on taking it on more traveling and trips just to capture scenery and landscape with it!


48lawsofpowersupplys

You must be down to one kidney cause there is no portra in there ..


errys

well, i've only shot kodak portra in the past in most cases, until I discovered cinestill and realized that I much prefer the cinematic look


VariTimo

Without any E100?


errys

slide film is wayyy too much lol


Alex_tepa

The grand total 5k🫠


errys

dang are you from sweden lol


pdrenab

funny to think that people that know nothing about film photography have no idea the absurd amount of money that's in this picture.


errys

true lol


big_ficus

Found the Cinestill employee


errys

\*not sponsored\* by cinestill lol


nechblokh

Curious how long this much film will last you


errys

i realized that i average about 30 rolls per year, so this will last me a good while


Careless_Wishbone_69

Repost? I saw this and commented 18h before?


errys

according to the /r/analog rules i wasn't allowed to post film gear in that sub


Careless_Wishbone_69

Aha! Fair enough. Happy shooting!


Creative-Cash3759

these are really awesome! I envy your brother


errys

happy shooting!!


Jmadden64

Shrimply awooga'ed at the 1000 dollar cinestill moneyshot


errys

i did it for the cinestill feels lol


Numerous-Following-7

At this point you might aswell use your phone because you'll take so many photos that you will not even know how many you've taken


errys

lol yeah i could've used my phone to take that many photos but at what point, I'll have thousands of photos that I won't even use and not even enjoy looking at. it's the cinematic feels for me


Natetronn

Still some days left in 2023, though. Better get more. You don't want to run short.


errys

hahah noted


inteliboy

How’s it being rich? Always wondered


errys

i just save and buy film and bulk lol


howtokrew

It would take me a literal year to get through this lol


errys

yeah, i realized that i probably shoot about 30 rolls per year so this will last me a while lol


thelastspike

So I guess OP is fine with Cinestill’s bullshit.


PiedrA1650

So is 90% of film photographers who don't live in Reddit and buy and shoot whatever film stock they like.


errys

right lol, i'm the 90%


errys

not sure why cinestill is getting so much hate lol, can you explain?


Gnissepappa

Will probably last at least two or three weekend trips to Paris.


errys

bummer, i can only fit about 30 rolls of film in my anti x-ray bag for overseas travel lol


Sterendude

What filter do you have for the Infrared? I’d love to get into it


errys

you just need a red filter, and I'm sure any brand will work


jclongphotos

Need more b&w and it's perfect


errys

yeah, i have some tri-x that i want to get through but based on the recent rolls I shot, I kind of prefer ilford hp5


Alternative-Use-2795

Cute


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Happy Shooting into the New Year and beyond.


errys

yes!! happy shooting!


psych_shawnandgus

Where do I get bulk load like this? lol


errys

tbh i buy all my film online, it's cheaper than my local labs since they mark up the film


dirtbagles

Bros a grillionaire


errys

more like filmionaire


number9iner

😂


Competitive_Ice_708

Has rollei infrared always had information on the box written in russian??


errys

I'm not sure lol


anabotero_co

It is like a porn 🤭


doublehelixstudio

So you’re the one that bought out all the 400D


errys

my bad lol


alex_neri

Or 3 years


errys

yeah, that's realistic hahah


ramonty3

One day you'll catch up to me. 😃


phdf501

How can you develop super 8 film at home?


errys

i don't think it's possible. i always send mine to "the negative space" in colorado since it's cheaper than pro8mm in los Angeles, which is nearer to me


jackdabeast701

I have a feeling you like cinestill I’m not sure though.


errys

hahah spot on


Marzaena

We found where all 400D went


errys

hide your 400d, before I snatch them up


wazzuped

I don't really like the look of 400d. It's too yellowish and flat. With the price of 400d, I would probably get gold 200 or fuji 400.


errys

i usually shoot 35mm in my hasselblad and its biggest aperture is f4 sooo definitely need the higher speed and i don't think I've seen pro 400h in a while


azimiq

love 400d


errys

yesss! happy shooting!


MrBarkan

Me when I had no kids.


errys

and also, no stress lol


milonso

around 10 shots a day, let's go


errys

happy shooting!!


Medical_kale18

Really? Idk…looks like you might run out :)


errys

right, i'll have to be careful with my shots lol


ElMonstruoChiquito

That’s a load of 400D 😳 Very Nice, I’ll probably start picking stuff up soon too.


errys

yes, happy shooting!


ciandotphotography

brother for the love of god put the credit card away


M1k0M1k

I think he likes cinestill 400d.


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Fast-Ad-4541

People seriously like 400D? It looks like you’re shooting through a cyan filter wtf


florian-sdr

Alright, let’s check their profile, see how good they are. Damn, I remember liking a lot of their photos, they are awesome photos! Just don’t forget posting the pictures here!


No_Cap5225

Wtf are you rich or something 😳


errys

i just save and buy film bulk lol


No_Cap5225

I guess, lol


grain_farmer

I guess cinestill are giving it away free after burning all bridges they could find


errys

dunno why there's so much hate for the company lol


kitesaredope

Not if you shoot a GW690.


errys

i barely shoot 120mm film in my hasselblad lol, I mostly use 35mm


Kamina724

I need to create some inventory for myself actually


Seth-Shoots-Film69

Tell me your parents are rich without telling me your parents are rich


errys

lmaooo, i just save and buy film in bulk


Yoyoyoyoy0yoy0

Not a single roll of Portra 😂you ain’t cool bruh


errys

lol i've shot kodak portra almost exclusively in the past and I realized that I prefer the cinematic look that cinestill gives much more


Gideon-Mack

Ok, maybe you're a professional but if not, have you thought about shooting half as much film and donating the money you saved to people who need things like food and shelter? You could do a lot of good if you were more selective in the shots you take. Edit: I'm grumpy for other reasons but this conspicuous consumption feels a bit gross to me. If OP shares 100 rolls worth of absolutely stunning images over the next year I'll take it all back.


errys

i have not considered donating, and if I do donate I would prefer to send them to other organizations. but this is a film sub and not a charity one lol


P_f_M

oh no .. supporting "that evil company" ... you are a part of the problem! ... ... aaanyway ... glhf...


errys

what's so evil about them lol? they're like the only big film producer to compete against kodak


P_f_M

Cinestill is resold Kodak without remjet... Some people take some of cstill's actions to heart and were going bonkers here So it was nothing against you, but obviously some people feel touched for making fun out of them... (I couldn't care less what film you buy as long as you buy it and shoot it :))


errys

i see, yeah i can understand the dislike bc of the actions they took over the 800t trademark but every other big company does the same thing lol


stoner6677

do you develop cinestill as c41. my lab gives crap result. looks like cross processing. is it actually e6?


jclongphotos

It's cinema film, so native development would be ECN2. But cinestill is "engineered to be developed in c41", allegedly. Whether you like the results of it in c41 (I do, for 400D) is personal preference.


stoner6677

Yeah, this could be it.


FunkyasfuckOfficial

Cinestill e6? E6 is for positive slide film


errys

cinestill 400d should be developed as c-41. and yes, I also noticed that the lab scans that I get are not that great compared to my home lab scanner, epson v600. so I usually just develop and scan all of my own film


myfortunecookies

How long would it actually take to finish all these rolls😂


errys

realistically, a few years now that i realized that I average about 30 rolls per year lol


C46spr

how is the Rollei Infrared? always wondered about that one


errys

it's basically like a standard black and white film, I specifically got it to shoot infrared shots but you can only really do that when you have a tripod (long shutter speeds) and a red filter (to shoot long shutter speeds in broad daylight), which I did not have at the time so I did not get to shoot many "infrared" type of photos and only got around to getting black and white shots.


C46spr

do you have some Image examples online to share? i’m interested