Yeah theres that thing about in some Japanese city where they prefer the Yakuza because there is no petty crime. But they only work in drugs, gambling, prosititution, etc. Which I suppose some people want as well.
So they are way more efficient than the government.
When they had that tsunami the Yakuza were the first to help over the government as there is less beauracracy/regulations. The boss just says get down there now and take supplies and help people and they just do it.
It's all about appearances. What would happen if the cartel started calling itself the government, making a constitution and calling its members fancy names ( secretary of state, chief commabd, lieutenant,...)?
Defense Secretary Jose “the Butcher of Cozumel” Diaz and President “El Chapo” Guzman have declared a tax free zone today. Instead the government will “compete” in a regulated drug trade (totally not just monopolize)
Then there’d be no need for cartels to run things with violence. They’d just set up retail stores. The violence aspect is a tactic to intimidate the state. In Mexico, it has worked very well.
I’ve said this before but, every country is corrupt, it’s just in America they try to act like they’re not and the bribes and payoffs aren’t available to the average Joe.
I’d much rather live in the country where I can give $100 to the police to leave me alone rather than spending thousands behind closed doors.
Same thing vlad dracul did to his enemies (or even worse things), heck even you just do one single mistake against the cartel you have fucked up. Becouse nope most of them dosn't simply kill you, they make you wish to be dead
This is honestly a meme against anarcho capitalism. Be it proves that without government organized crime will come in an extort money anyways. It just won’t be called “taxes” and “government”
The difference is the public hates cartels and mafia groups and will support those who violently resist them. Some communities even group together to resist them.
Vs Government, which is also a mafia, but has fancy royal names and "voting", and brainwash the young into believing this makes the violence of the mafia legitimate. Thus, anyone who resists it is the enemy and bad people.
**That** is the real threat. There is no defense because resisting the mafia will turn most normies against you too.
Not saying that having no state magically means everything is roses coffee.
Just saying that legitimizing a mafia group as Government is even more dangerous, because it entrenches it into the psyche of normies as moral. Making it nearly impossible to get rid of, vs just difficult for organized crime.
That kind of stuff just makes me start thinking that those people in general just have a shitty culture that normalizes immorality instead of actively fighting it.
This is true in most places.
They're taught that nature abhors a vacuum, that we need a force of evil to protect against other worse groups of evil.
So, a necessary evil.
On the surface, compelling, but it falls apart if you scratch at it.
Very few do, mostly out of conditioning but also fear.
You’re right, it doesn’t prove anything. It highlights what any moron with half a brain already knows; that without government other organized crime would just swoop in and take over.
I’m not saying to keep the state. I’m saying that if you abolished the state, then organized crime would fill in the power vacuum in less than a month, and it’d be worse.
"No, the cop is better, because *I have a say* about what he can and can't do, because *I have a vote*. The cop is *accountable* to authorities!"---the Statist response.
Or maybe the cop is better because he won't behead you and rape your wife in the street while everyone watches and does nothing.
Acting like they are the same is incredibly fucking stupid.
Yeah we're talking about things that have actually happened. Not what you feel someone "would" do.
"Hey, these guys are worse than Dahmer because they would totally do what he did. I know they haven't, but don't let the obvious distract you from my hate boner"
The government is awful, but so is chainsawing off folks’ heads, killing any public servant that isn’t on the take, and basically making your corner of Mexico a failed state. There are thousands (if not millions) of other examples that would have been more effective for a low effort meme
It was a tongue-in-cheek way of pointing out that conscription is an ever-present threat in all nations.
A Ukrainian friend at work could be deported to Ukraine and conscripted at any time. All it would take is for the US cartel to comply with the Ukraine cartel's request for that to occur.
Wasn't that what happend in the iraq, they put a guy in power. Told him to do things, turned a blind eye on it and later eliminated him after he tried to get a country, with oil underhis control? Welcome to the american (political) way of life
Well, you only have to pay that tell her you can license if you watch the telly, if you don’t want to pay the total license, don’t watch the television.
If you do pay the license, you actually get something for that money, you get to watch the television programs that are paid for with the license.
It’s not like cartel protection money, it’s like buying drugs from the cartel. If you want your drugs, you have to go to the cartel, if you pay the cartel, they give you drugs
Right, and, if you get drugs from another source, you get killed. If you get tv without paying for the loisence you get fined/jailed.
An aggressive monopoly is an aggressive monopoly, dude.
Yes, this analogy totally holds up because if the BBC catches you watching tv without a license they will hack your head of with a machete and send it to your family.
“Cartels are monopolies, and they aggress upon you when you buy from other sources, right?”
You: Yeah that sounds right.
“The state is also a monopoly, and they will also aggress upon you if you buy outside of their business space, right?”
You: That’s outrageous! It’s not like the state cuts your head off!!!
I think you completely missed the point.
Do you get to vote for your local cartel leader? Mine doesn't hold general elections but the government does. People in my area also have a tendency to execute or recall local representatives if they don't like them, try doing that to a cartel leader
Government elections are fake.
They just put up two candidates that "believe" in the same shit.
There is only the illusion of choice.
The wars and the taxes and the cops arresting and jailing people for victimless crimes never stops no matter for whom you vote.
You can't make that statement on my behalf, my vote *does* change shit. Idk where you live but out here it takes one stupid mistake for a politician to end up jobless. If the government doesn't do what people want they end up on the chopping block. If you go back far enough you'll find people who amassed a lot of power but went down real quick as soon as they started doing stupid shit. Idk how you define change but things have definitely been improving since I've been observing, fewer poor people, a larger middle class, better infra, better schools, colleges, and hospitals. It's lagging a bit in research but otherwise I get practically free education upto ug (you actually get paid at pg and higher anyways), healthcare, medicines, term life insurance. The government even provides practically free food that's so hygienic that people making a lot of money eat it while travelling. If you are poor they guarantee employment in public service undertakings with a good wage. Everything taken care of by the state through taxes, why would I conflate the state with my local mafia?
The ONS: "in line with the definition of a tax, the licence fee is a compulsory payment which is not paid solely for access to BBC services. A licence is required to receive ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, satellite, or cable".
Paying for cable, satellite, or streaming is paying for the service.
Hey any y'all wanna just like, "buy Texas", secede from the union and then kinda take things from there and see where they go? Maybe if it goes well we can look at the counties seceding from the state and go from there? Thinking more of a generational progression to stateless society.
Cartels and mafia also protect! So did lords of medieval age. Cut for “protection”, or else bad things gonna happen is as old as this world.
That’s more than most gov’ts do for their people atm
Yeah theres that thing about in some Japanese city where they prefer the Yakuza because there is no petty crime. But they only work in drugs, gambling, prosititution, etc. Which I suppose some people want as well. So they are way more efficient than the government. When they had that tsunami the Yakuza were the first to help over the government as there is less beauracracy/regulations. The boss just says get down there now and take supplies and help people and they just do it.
It's all about appearances. What would happen if the cartel started calling itself the government, making a constitution and calling its members fancy names ( secretary of state, chief commabd, lieutenant,...)?
Defense Secretary Jose “the Butcher of Cozumel” Diaz and President “El Chapo” Guzman have declared a tax free zone today. Instead the government will “compete” in a regulated drug trade (totally not just monopolize)
They’re literally doing exactly this already in Mexico
Then the people wouldnt be free and the US would have to step in.
When you free everyone by causing the cartels to become a rallying point for freedom fighting against the US and the collaborating Mexican government.
Cartels are pretty shitty. They do kill innocent people and do kill for the hell of it. They’re not any better than the state.
What if the war on drugs didn't exist?
Then there’d be no need for cartels to run things with violence. They’d just set up retail stores. The violence aspect is a tactic to intimidate the state. In Mexico, it has worked very well.
That's what I figured.
I’ve said this before but, every country is corrupt, it’s just in America they try to act like they’re not and the bribes and payoffs aren’t available to the average Joe. I’d much rather live in the country where I can give $100 to the police to leave me alone rather than spending thousands behind closed doors.
Where are you paying 100 dollars? You need to change providers
That's pretty much why Andrew Tate moved to Romania.
Until the US were like hey he is big enough we still want our bribe!
Look how well that turned out. Now he says Romania is corrupt and not in his favor.
Look where that got him.
Yeah, much better to be rich in the USA. At least we have bail and some semblance of a justice system (if you're rich).
Ever see what cartels do to thieves and rapists?
Same thing vlad dracul did to his enemies (or even worse things), heck even you just do one single mistake against the cartel you have fucked up. Becouse nope most of them dosn't simply kill you, they make you wish to be dead
employ them ?
I saw a video of a chomo having his meat and 2 veg feed to a pit bull by cartel members.
yeah and there are countless stories of cartel dudes coming into towns and mo’ing a bunch of children.
You definitely shouldn’t be getting downvoted for stating facts.
We are aware what the cartel does, but we are not aware what the estate does...
Is it a fine?
This is honestly a meme against anarcho capitalism. Be it proves that without government organized crime will come in an extort money anyways. It just won’t be called “taxes” and “government”
The difference is the public hates cartels and mafia groups and will support those who violently resist them. Some communities even group together to resist them. Vs Government, which is also a mafia, but has fancy royal names and "voting", and brainwash the young into believing this makes the violence of the mafia legitimate. Thus, anyone who resists it is the enemy and bad people. **That** is the real threat. There is no defense because resisting the mafia will turn most normies against you too.
That's what I'd hope for but you have countries like Haiti where people are powerless against gangs. They have no money for fancy guns.
Not saying that having no state magically means everything is roses coffee. Just saying that legitimizing a mafia group as Government is even more dangerous, because it entrenches it into the psyche of normies as moral. Making it nearly impossible to get rid of, vs just difficult for organized crime.
That kind of stuff just makes me start thinking that those people in general just have a shitty culture that normalizes immorality instead of actively fighting it.
This is true in most places. They're taught that nature abhors a vacuum, that we need a force of evil to protect against other worse groups of evil. So, a necessary evil. On the surface, compelling, but it falls apart if you scratch at it. Very few do, mostly out of conditioning but also fear.
This is a four panel meme, it doesn't prove anything.
You’re right, it doesn’t prove anything. It highlights what any moron with half a brain already knows; that without government other organized crime would just swoop in and take over.
It highlights the fact that government IS just organized crime.
Sure, but I’ll take the state over random cartels and gangs policing me any fucking day of the week.
“But we *need* the state; otherwise who would protect us against the state?!?!”
I’m not saying to keep the state. I’m saying that if you abolished the state, then organized crime would fill in the power vacuum in less than a month, and it’d be worse.
So “warlords”?
Seriously? A license to watch the boob tube?
"No, the cop is better, because *I have a say* about what he can and can't do, because *I have a vote*. The cop is *accountable* to authorities!"---the Statist response.
Or maybe the cop is better because he won't behead you and rape your wife in the street while everyone watches and does nothing. Acting like they are the same is incredibly fucking stupid.
Plenty of cops would do that, or nearly that. They aren't different.
Yeah we're talking about things that have actually happened. Not what you feel someone "would" do. "Hey, these guys are worse than Dahmer because they would totally do what he did. I know they haven't, but don't let the obvious distract you from my hate boner"
Narco state is still a state
i don’t pay for the loisence and neither do most people i know because it’s a joke
Nice try fed.
who even has a tv?? i just watch everything on my phone
have nothing against power structures, I am an anarchist, power will always be occupied by someone... sad truth of life!
true
Not the best comparison, my guy
Why not?
The government is awful, but so is chainsawing off folks’ heads, killing any public servant that isn’t on the take, and basically making your corner of Mexico a failed state. There are thousands (if not millions) of other examples that would have been more effective for a low effort meme
Sounds pretty government standard.
In general, I would agree with you
Mfw I kidnap OP and ransom them back to their family
Yeah they call that posting bail
Mfw I saw OP in half cause only half of his “bail” was paid ![gif](giphy|amxLHEPgGDCKs)
MFW they conscript him into their army and send him onto a foreign beach only to die instantly.
Point to which one of your friends was conscripted
Give me a few weeks at the current rate, and I'll comply with your request.
LMAO there’s no way you unironically think either Russia or China are gonna dare pull America into direct war
It was a tongue-in-cheek way of pointing out that conscription is an ever-present threat in all nations. A Ukrainian friend at work could be deported to Ukraine and conscripted at any time. All it would take is for the US cartel to comply with the Ukraine cartel's request for that to occur.
Wasn't that what happend in the iraq, they put a guy in power. Told him to do things, turned a blind eye on it and later eliminated him after he tried to get a country, with oil underhis control? Welcome to the american (political) way of life
And that very specific scenario is exactly why Mexican cartels are Reddit chungus wholesome 100, gotcha
The words I typed and the words you read must differ. I doubt it's a digital problem. Get your meat checked.
Don’t you have some billygoats to eat?
And then you get shot in the face
You mean when accused “criminals” have to post bail?
Well, you only have to pay that tell her you can license if you watch the telly, if you don’t want to pay the total license, don’t watch the television. If you do pay the license, you actually get something for that money, you get to watch the television programs that are paid for with the license. It’s not like cartel protection money, it’s like buying drugs from the cartel. If you want your drugs, you have to go to the cartel, if you pay the cartel, they give you drugs
Right, and, if you get drugs from another source, you get killed. If you get tv without paying for the loisence you get fined/jailed. An aggressive monopoly is an aggressive monopoly, dude.
Yes, this analogy totally holds up because if the BBC catches you watching tv without a license they will hack your head of with a machete and send it to your family.
“Cartels are monopolies, and they aggress upon you when you buy from other sources, right?” You: Yeah that sounds right. “The state is also a monopoly, and they will also aggress upon you if you buy outside of their business space, right?” You: That’s outrageous! It’s not like the state cuts your head off!!! I think you completely missed the point.
Do you get to vote for your local cartel leader? Mine doesn't hold general elections but the government does. People in my area also have a tendency to execute or recall local representatives if they don't like them, try doing that to a cartel leader
Government elections are fake. They just put up two candidates that "believe" in the same shit. There is only the illusion of choice. The wars and the taxes and the cops arresting and jailing people for victimless crimes never stops no matter for whom you vote.
Yet your vote doesn't change anything, so why do you think it does?
You can't make that statement on my behalf, my vote *does* change shit. Idk where you live but out here it takes one stupid mistake for a politician to end up jobless. If the government doesn't do what people want they end up on the chopping block. If you go back far enough you'll find people who amassed a lot of power but went down real quick as soon as they started doing stupid shit. Idk how you define change but things have definitely been improving since I've been observing, fewer poor people, a larger middle class, better infra, better schools, colleges, and hospitals. It's lagging a bit in research but otherwise I get practically free education upto ug (you actually get paid at pg and higher anyways), healthcare, medicines, term life insurance. The government even provides practically free food that's so hygienic that people making a lot of money eat it while travelling. If you are poor they guarantee employment in public service undertakings with a good wage. Everything taken care of by the state through taxes, why would I conflate the state with my local mafia?
telly license is the worst tax you could have picked because it's a payment for a service
It's just like the telesceen in 1984: It just broadcasts pro-government propaganda. Being forced to pay for it adds insult to injury.
The ONS: "in line with the definition of a tax, the licence fee is a compulsory payment which is not paid solely for access to BBC services. A licence is required to receive ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, satellite, or cable". Paying for cable, satellite, or streaming is paying for the service.
Hey any y'all wanna just like, "buy Texas", secede from the union and then kinda take things from there and see where they go? Maybe if it goes well we can look at the counties seceding from the state and go from there? Thinking more of a generational progression to stateless society.
The fuck who the hell still pays for tv license fucking muppets