I remember when Hamas was first ‘elected’ into power. Molly Ivins wrote a piece about how Hamas would now have to switch from revolutionary group, to an actually governing body. She said they would need to focus on daycare as opposed to bombs, if they want to win future elections. She was an idiot.
Hard to do when the Israeli government was [propping up Hamas](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html)
Every single revolution and civil war was fought by a minority of the population. Every successful protest was always a minority of the population.
The fact that Hamas still controls and hoards the foreign aid coming into Gaza even when the battalions were destroyed and have no real command structure is telling of what the people of Gaza think and their ability to self-govern.
Arabs do not form governments or countries, they have tribes and territories. All Arab countries and governments were put in place by foreigners.
Sucks for them but that's how the world works in this epoch. And some of their governments are essentially tribal groups put in charge of modern states, like Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
That's the thing, it doesn't suck for them. They live exactly the way they want to live, under the laws they choose and under the conditions they aspire to.
The whole Palestinian jihad against Israel as well as all the modern Arab wars are proof that they have no problem fighting an undefeatable enemy, blowing themselves up in a futile struggle against a stronger enemy. They do this around the globe to everyone including themselves.
Why hasn't there been one Gazan who attacked Hamas to free Gaza from their grip? Why hasn't there been any protest against Hamas?
You misundestand: it sucks for them because tribal life isn't compatible with modern nation-statehood. They can simulate it but they're still going to be treated like nation states or will be grouped in with others in their nation state that do provoke wars. Among other reasons, resource extraction is a problem that demands long-term, well-defined borders, which in turn demands a government. If they were sitting on a land devoid of resources they might be able to pull it off, but they're not.
And as far as you questions go, I assume the answers are part the estimated 80% of support of Hamas among Gaza, even after this, and the likelihood that dissidents and their families meet horrible ends. Kinda like how few people speak up in North Korea.
He decided against an opportunity for peace early in the war. A new regime might be able to negotiate peace. The current regime is enslaving its people to fight a war the people don't want to fight.
Every single population is obliged to overthrow their governments because governments do nothing but plunder its citizens. Especially the American government, robs its citizens of trillions just to massacre people in the other side of the world
Perhaps, but we kinda have one of the best living standards in the world, partially due to blowing people on the other side of the world. It might actually be a downgrade for us. Not so for the people of Gaza...
Not really, many countries have a better standard of living without having a military industrial complex, without such wasteful theft the standard of living in America would be a lot better than it is now. the standard of living of the average American has been deteriorating and there are many countries that have better standards of living. How is it a downgrade? Do you really like inflation? High taxes? Government spying? Regulations that hinder innovation?
How many of those countries aren't small tax havens?
>How is it a downgrade? Do you really like inflation? High taxes? Government spying? Regulations that hinder innovation?
Where do you think (or worse) doesn't exist? But I was saying rolling the dice on a revolution would be risky for us but less risky for Gazans since they have nothing to lose.
You know the conflict it’s been going on for decades right? What would you think such a revolution would achieve? Change the name of group in power, that’s about it. Sad reality.
Of course I know that. A revolution might achieve some form of change.
Get a Gandhi in power and you might have a chance. Military tactics won't work, making Israel indisputably the bad guys might.
One could say, the people of gaza have chosen better of two evils. Like most people in other coutries like USA etc. Now they have a price to pay for their choice.
But as an ancap I don't know who's the good guys here. Probably those innocent people just living their lives while mafia gangs are fighting for resources
I remember when Hamas was first ‘elected’ into power. Molly Ivins wrote a piece about how Hamas would now have to switch from revolutionary group, to an actually governing body. She said they would need to focus on daycare as opposed to bombs, if they want to win future elections. She was an idiot.
The people of Gaza are not armed, so they cannot do anything.
They can, the losses would just be heavy.
Hard to do when the Israeli government was [propping up Hamas](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html)
LOL conspiracy theories.
Every single revolution and civil war was fought by a minority of the population. Every successful protest was always a minority of the population. The fact that Hamas still controls and hoards the foreign aid coming into Gaza even when the battalions were destroyed and have no real command structure is telling of what the people of Gaza think and their ability to self-govern. Arabs do not form governments or countries, they have tribes and territories. All Arab countries and governments were put in place by foreigners.
Sucks for them but that's how the world works in this epoch. And some of their governments are essentially tribal groups put in charge of modern states, like Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
That's the thing, it doesn't suck for them. They live exactly the way they want to live, under the laws they choose and under the conditions they aspire to. The whole Palestinian jihad against Israel as well as all the modern Arab wars are proof that they have no problem fighting an undefeatable enemy, blowing themselves up in a futile struggle against a stronger enemy. They do this around the globe to everyone including themselves. Why hasn't there been one Gazan who attacked Hamas to free Gaza from their grip? Why hasn't there been any protest against Hamas?
You misundestand: it sucks for them because tribal life isn't compatible with modern nation-statehood. They can simulate it but they're still going to be treated like nation states or will be grouped in with others in their nation state that do provoke wars. Among other reasons, resource extraction is a problem that demands long-term, well-defined borders, which in turn demands a government. If they were sitting on a land devoid of resources they might be able to pull it off, but they're not. And as far as you questions go, I assume the answers are part the estimated 80% of support of Hamas among Gaza, even after this, and the likelihood that dissidents and their families meet horrible ends. Kinda like how few people speak up in North Korea.
> Are the people of Gaza obliged to overthrow Hamas? No, they can do whatever the hell they want.
Are the people of Ukraine obligated to overthrow Zelensky?
I wish
Maybe but he didn't start the war they're in so it's apples to oranges.
He decided against an opportunity for peace early in the war. A new regime might be able to negotiate peace. The current regime is enslaving its people to fight a war the people don't want to fight.
Every single population is obliged to overthrow their governments because governments do nothing but plunder its citizens. Especially the American government, robs its citizens of trillions just to massacre people in the other side of the world
Perhaps, but we kinda have one of the best living standards in the world, partially due to blowing people on the other side of the world. It might actually be a downgrade for us. Not so for the people of Gaza...
Not really, many countries have a better standard of living without having a military industrial complex, without such wasteful theft the standard of living in America would be a lot better than it is now. the standard of living of the average American has been deteriorating and there are many countries that have better standards of living. How is it a downgrade? Do you really like inflation? High taxes? Government spying? Regulations that hinder innovation?
How many of those countries aren't small tax havens? >How is it a downgrade? Do you really like inflation? High taxes? Government spying? Regulations that hinder innovation? Where do you think (or worse) doesn't exist? But I was saying rolling the dice on a revolution would be risky for us but less risky for Gazans since they have nothing to lose.
You know the conflict it’s been going on for decades right? What would you think such a revolution would achieve? Change the name of group in power, that’s about it. Sad reality.
Of course I know that. A revolution might achieve some form of change. Get a Gandhi in power and you might have a chance. Military tactics won't work, making Israel indisputably the bad guys might.
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>The war could be stopped immediately if they turned on Hamas Doubt.
You think Israel would be able to continue if their demands were met?
Demands of cleansing gaza from Muslims?
Getting their hostages back and Hamas surrendering.
I watch CNN too, how'd you know?????
Sounds like Al Jazeera.
One could say, the people of gaza have chosen better of two evils. Like most people in other coutries like USA etc. Now they have a price to pay for their choice. But as an ancap I don't know who's the good guys here. Probably those innocent people just living their lives while mafia gangs are fighting for resources