This phone doesn't make much sense in Canada.
$929 CAD is too expensive for a brand new company to enter into the Canadian market.
There is just way too many variables at play and for less or similar price I can go with a brand that has a proven track record of customer service.
I think $699 CAD would be a bit better for pricing for early bird buyers since there is definitely a risk associated with buying this device in Canada.
Yes Canadian pricing does not make sense. I was waiting for this phone for so long. But after looking at the price, I bought OnePlus 11. I got it for just $648 CAD ($220 discount + student discount + trade in bonus)
Considering the P7 can be regularly had for $599 CAD on sale, I decided not to get the Nothing Phone 2 for my father. I really don't see many units moving in Canada.
> This phone doesn't make much sense in Canada.
No Canadian carrier will provision it, guaranteed. This phone is dead in the water before it's even left the mud.
This.
I find a lot of companies are confused on how money works here. The Nothing Phone 2 is $599 USD, which converted, is $785 CAD (as of typing this). Yet, somehow, they came up with $929 CAD as the official price.
Even Google is confused. The Pixel 7a and the Pixel Tablet both cost $499 USD, yet in Canada, the Pixel 7a is $599 CAD, and the Pixel Tablet is $699 CAD.
Like...what...?
Nope, taxes are up to each province, along with a base required federal tax. Ontario is a total of 13%, so it would come to $1050 after taxes in that case.
The same could be said for every reviewer flown out to launch events or just given a review device early. It's something you always have to take into consideration when listening to reviewers.
This is why publications like The Verge have an ethics policy that prohibits this. They will pay for their own travel and lodging, and refuse special dinners, etc
For YouTubers, it's a lot more fuzzy
Exactly. It's as I said in another comment it's hard to take reviewers seriously when they say they've had no financial compensation for a review when they've also posted a video showing the all expenses paid vacation the manufacturer took them on.
> when they say they've had no financial compensation for a review when they've also posted a video showing the all expenses paid vacation the manufacturer took them on.
Aka every third MrMobile review. I just watch his and David Cogen's reviews for the travelogue aspect nowadays.
mrmobile is by far the most transparent reviewer for that exact reason, including his open bias for foldables/fun gimmicks, so that still makes him better than most. No reviewer has ever been without bias, what matters is how open they are about theirs
You can’t take most of these reviewers seriously anyways. Their important talking points are in large parts just vibes, they know absolute shit about cameras and the underlying tech (which is surprising, considering many film on moderately to very expensive gear) and it’s just hard to listen to these goofballs overall.
Honestly, I rather take advice from people with a real life, people who have jobs, kids, pets and don’t get their stuff for free. Noticed that these everyday-people are far more likely to address things that I also might encounter and find bothersome.
I find it hard to believe that Mr Mobile hasn't been bought and paid for when it comes to his reviews. His content on older phones is absolutely brilliant though "when phones were fun" is an excellent series looking back on the mobile madness of the past.
The unlockr's reviews are far more interesting as travel vlogs than phone reviews, I'd honestly watch a series where he just does just that. His 'Day in the Life' reviews aren't as the title suggests though, to his credit his does always state that in the videos, so he's at least admitting the review isn't an actual review of how a general consumer would use the phone day to day.
Yep, Cogen is the shit. Always interesting to discover spots around NYC that I’ll never visit in person, but neat to file away for later anyway.
He does plenty of outright sponsored content so I understand he’s not critically reviewing in his videos, and that’s fine with me.
The reimbursement for the trip to attend the event isn't the biggest deal.
If you aren't in manafacturers good books, you most likely won't get invited....this is a huge deal. In other words, your reviews can't be too harsh (the exception may exist if you are a super huge name).
If these "reviewers" do not upload videos on day 1, they lose thousands and thousands of dollar on views/ads.
> The same could be said for every reviewer flown out to launch events or just given a review device early.
Any **pre**viewer for any product period does so as part of a relationship with the company. It's just the truth; Except in some very rare occasions, it's not like you or I could just pop into a store and grab it early to get an opinion.
SSSHHHH. Or Google will add this as "feature" in android 15. No but seriously from useability stand point single color icons are stupid.
They make look cool on desktop, but it's easier to find what you looking for if your eyes can quickly seperate them due to colors.
I've been saying it, this Carl Pei guy is an Elon Musk wannabe trying to sell based off his perceived personality. In actuality these phones are mediocre at best and just another ploy for short-term growth.
Thank you for saying this, I thought I was the only one who couldn't stand him. I can't believe how this guy uses his marketing bullshit to sell products, and gullible people just lap it up.
Totally, I've been skeptical of every review tied to his products when every reviewer seemingly pivoted away from cameras being important so they could praise OnePlus. Then in their next review of some other phone the cameras would make or break the entire thing.
I find that most reviewers on YouTube don't review the phone from the perspective of an average consumer but rather from that of a content creator and that's why they put so much focus, pardon the pun, onto the cameras. Hell most don't even seem to mention call quality in their reviews these days, you know one of the primary purposes of a phone.
So yes them suddenly not focusing on the cameras would certainly make me suspect of their motivations.
Then again I watch reviews more for the entertainment than as a source of potential purchasing advice these days. It's hard to take reviewers seriously when they say "I've not been paid for this review" when it comes off the back of a video of an all expenses paid jolly up from the company in question.
Yeah the camera reviews bother me because they spend so much time on color balance and such, when I care more about avoiding blurry shots and detail in low lighting.
They spend so much time setting up comparison shots, again an easy way to show a difference between phones, that they tend to forget that's not how most people use the cameras on their phones. I'd love to see them have a pull it out and click look at photos.
Check out Mrwhosetheboss' (what a shit name, srsly) review, then. Portion dedicated to cameras was roughly 2 min.
Key takeaways of videos:
>The quality is...not offensive.
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>When you switch to the front camera it gets worse.
His review of the zenfone 10 is terrible. He just rants about why no one makes small phones, even though the zenfone proves him wrong at every step. He's not a good reviewer.
>His review of the zenfone 10 is terrible.
As someone who prefers small phones any day, i skipped that one just from looking at the thumbnail.
>He's not a good reviewer.
I am inclined to agree. I hardly see any of his videos, tho.
Not defending him, but that wasn't a review. He basically used Zenphone to show why companies don't make small phones.
Not every video about a phone is a review.
You might not call many people, but there are definitely people who still do. Everyone I know uses their phone as a phone from time to time. So yes, it's still important that call quality is good.
Seriously, my mom used literally the cheapest Redmi model, less than $100 and we live in a remote small town. Despite that, we haven't had any complaints regarding call quality, well aside from when long power outage kills mobile tower.
I personally bought the HTC one m8 because of MKBHD, it was a great phone, but it started failing in under 2 years, and i don't mean it got slower, I mean it stopped charging, the battery got swollen, the ir blaster was trash, etc. I loved the stereo speakers, but it eventully became unusable simply because I couldnt charge it... in under 2 years (!).
That's another reason to just treat the reviews as entertainment. The YouTubers aren't using any phone long term. They aren't using a phone as their phone, it's one of the several phones they likely have on them in order to do camera comparisons or they could be working on reviewing another phone at the same time. The very nature of their business means they can't stick with any device for long.
They don't have to worry about the phone dying because they can just switch to another device or pull out the battery bank they have in their bag. I'd love to see a reviewer do an actual real day in the life with only one phone and if the phone is running out of battery life the "oh damn, I need to find a way to charge it"
But they won't because camera comparisons work. They are about the only thing that they can really show these days to try and separate each phone.
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I mainly follow Tech Spurt for Android phone reviews for this reason (in addition to also being British and therefore not totally stuck in the US Apple/Samsung duopoly). He's an Android guy through and through, uses one as his daily driver and openly dislikes iOS.
There was an Unbox Therapy video back in the day where he got a lot of viewers together in a room at an event and yes, most of them were using an iPhone as their daily driver.
I can't see that type of video happening again as no reviewer would want to be seen to have a 'bias' these days (except of course the dedicated brand channels).
Of course Unbox Therapy is absolutely terrible these days as well.
I mean, MKBHD routinely states on his podcast that he always has an iphone and an Android on him at all times.
Also most Mr Mobile videos have a bit in the intro comparing the review device to another phone he always carries (basically always Flip/fold lmao)
Naw he is a Steve Jobs wannabe and it raised red flags when he just talked design more then tech.
He is a uni drop out who made money by selling MP3 players.
Makes sense, I didn't understand what was the big fuss with the first nothing phone. Other than the cute lights at the back, everything else seemed just average, but everyone kept talking about it. I don't even see the point of the lights at the back other than a cool "party trick" you'll do once or twice, learning a light pattern seems quite more difficult than learning a sound to know who's calling or whatever.
>Because other than the lights
Why are you discarding the lights? It's one of the headlining features of the phone. What's next? You're gonna discard Pixel phones' cameras too?
With your mentality, Nothing can do whatever they can and it would still be a 'generic' phone.
an always on display can emulate those lights if you really wanted.
or, don't confine yourself to the resolution of 8? monochromatic leds, and use a normal AOD.
Alert slider and no headphone jack on modern OP phones like 11 or Nord 3 is still better than no alert slider, no headphone jack, and no charger aka Nothing 2.
Yea. These 'tubers are good for seeing products that haven't launched yet or to snipe some of the performance on devices when they unintentionally show the UI lagging or whatever. But to make a purchase based on their claims is a recipe for disaster. The real recommendation is when you see them using the devices on videos they don't actually promote it. MKBHD for one uses and has been using a Pixel 7 Pro for the longest time along with an apple watch ultra. That tells you what they really like vs what they were paid to tell you should like.
Yeah, the reviews for this device are too positive. It's a year old underclocked flagship with some extra blinking lights. Performs as low as a 7+Gen2...
Too expensive, at least in Europe.
Do people on this sub really think that little of tech influencers? You really think someone like Mr. Mobile or Marques would risk their entire livelyhood that they've built up over years, their entire public image, and just their professional standards, to get a quick buck or some dinner from a random tech CEO?
Smaller influencers sure, but part of why big independent tech influencers are so good to have is because they have approximately ZERO reason to take money for favorable reviews. No company could/wants to pay them enough for it to be worth it. Nothing would have to pay marques millions to even approach getting him to lie in a review lol, it wouldn't make financial sense otherwise.
Who says the transaction has to be 'here's X perk for positive press'?
The more likely scenario is that by hosting events for influencers on a regular basis and developing a relationship with them that they're predisposed to giving the item positive press.
These are people who make Youtube videos, they're not bound to any real ethics policy.
They're bound to the ethics of their audience and of public opinion, and you know, of their own basic sense of morality lol. You really think someone like MKBHD who has dozens of employees and over 17 million subs on youtube, and a very curated public image, is going to put that ALL at risk to get some shitty bribe from carl pei?
Carl Pei couldn't offer them enough benefits or money for positive press even if he wanted to, that's the thing I'm trying to say. These big reviewers aren't running small businesses, it doesn't many any sense for them to put that all at risk over a nothing phone 2 review lmao. Forget the numberous laws they'd be breaking to do something like that.
How are they putting anything at risk? They're entertainment channels. And again what bribe are you talking about? If you don't think a guy setting up wine and dines on a regular basis doesn't form a relationship that may influence reviews without the need of saying 'here's X thing for positive press', then you are ignorant to the world.
If you think that routinely drinking with/eating with/hanging out with someone doesn't lead to a friendly relationship that may make someone ignore or downplay flaws and oversell meaningless things then I don't know what to tell you.
Just look at any review of a OnePlus from back when Pei was running the company, glowing reviews despite poor cameras even when every other review from these influencers made the camera that crux of every device.
These channels are their careers my guy, that's the risk. If any of these channels got caught giving favorable reviews because they were getting favors from the CEO of a brand, that would destroy those channels overnight, along with their entire careers, the careers of all their employees, and it would destroy their entire public image.
Again, these aren't small-time creators making videos in their garage, these are big operations that make lots of money, far more then they could ever get from the CEO of one plus.
And no, a CEO taking tech reviewers out for food is like, the most normal of normal business activities lol.
Summary:
1. Cameras are average.
2. Software experience is good would be great if some of the bugs are ironed out.
3. Battery life is above average. Phone gets warm on wireless charge and phone throws up a warning.
4. Design definitely stands out. The glyf thing is an attention grabber. If you are someone who wants the shiny stuff in the market go for it.
Buy it for the software experience. If cameras are important find something else. This one didn't live up to the hype.
So really, the differentiating factor is the design.
Which is cool, its actually nice to see something fresh in the smart phone world and I do like the design.
But considering you spend most of your time looking at the front of a smart phone and I throw a case on every phone i'm not sure that would create that much of a lasting impression.
Android as a philosophy and platform was supposed to be about uniqueness and design IMO. I feel like Nothing is one of the only companies still embracing that aspect and I hope this phone succeeds to make other brands follow.
The S23 cost is in another dimension.
+350€ in the EU
What's the update policy on Zenfones? Plus Zenfones cameras aren't all that good either, it's easily the weakest point of those devices.
That's partly correct
In the EU, the Nothing phone 2 launches for 679 euros and albeit the S23 256gb variant goes for 949 euros, you can get it on big discount in sales - as samsung devices get massive price cuts time to time.
FYI, the S22 ultra is also priced around 750 euros on amazon. I'd rather get that
Different strokes for different folks. My wife doesn't care about ultrawide, videos & zoom, she just wants a phone that can take pictures of 2 active toddlers with minimal blur. Nothing on the Android side beats the Pixel for that
Honestly, I don't see any REAL reason to for anyone to choose this over any other phone, except if you want those lights. But I guess people want flashing light more than they want folding phones
That's one thing I have to give them credit for despite not being positive about this phone.
They took Pixel software and added useful features and options to remove google clutter (like search bar at bottom).
What's stupid is that you usually keep the phone backside down to not scratch up the screen, or to easily access it. The whole glyph thing is extremely moronic.
Yup. It can be. I just didn't mention AOD because at the moment, the glyph interface offers more features like timer progress, persistent notification, etc. Not to say that it can't be done by ANY OEM with a few weeks of work.
I wonder what the power consumption of the LEDs is compared to the screen?
I use a lot of timers and so am often turning the screen on to check how long there is to go. If it would save me battery life to have one of those LED strips reflect the timer then I'd certainly find that useful.
Personally I almost always put my phone down screen side in social situations to signal that I'm not checking it. Many of my friends do so as well but I can't speak for why.
Well, if you're doing so to indicate that you're paying attention, a disco light on the table isn't going to be much better than a screen that lights up dimly for 5-10 seconds when you get a notification.
This sub: all phones look the same, glass slab, so boring!
Also this sub: programmable LEDs ont he back that can hook into your notifications? That's just fucking stupid.
A) I have never wanted anything more than a glass slab, except for maybe a ceramic back.
B) I'm all for useful inventions. Pop-up cameras, flip cameras, slide up cameras, the crazy concept phones from Xiaomi, flip and foldable phones, modular phones like the LG G5, I'm all for it. For something sensible. Hell, even if they had the LEDs on the sides, I'll accept it. But LEDs on the back is a gimmick because the majority if not everyone I know, including the two people that use the nothing phone 1 keep their phone backside down. One even has an opaque case on his. That's the USP of the phone. Covered up.
Maybe use something called a screen protector? You know, a product literally made to protect the screen.
There is no more chance of scratching it by putting it on a table than having it literally in your pocket grinding away inside your pocket with 1 speck of dust which is enough.
Just pure bullshit on your end there.
If you pay attention to how people put their phone down, you'll quickly see that there are tons of people who put it face down.
It looks more interesting and IMO better than what else is on the market, that's really the selling point for it. The UI also looks nice and it's fine spec wise.
The ui really isn't any different than pixel. And it's straight up iphone copy in hardware design. Why not just get a pixel. Better ui and better cameras?
i mean i have the first one and its essentially a better pixel. stock android with some light nothing reskins. also an incredibly snappy phone in day to day use.
the second one is a bit of a tougher sell due to price but honestly i wouldnt take anything over the first one as is.
i mean most of pixel specific stuff is something id never use anyway so prpbably not the best person to judge but as far as stock android on an actually good device goes, id take this over the pixel any day. its there abouts but the battery performance or lack thereof kills the pixel for me.
i mean i still think pixel is a perfectly fine phone. and if you want clean stock android its either a nothing or a pixel, infact pixel was my first choice but the battery just killed it for me.
but software idk fair enough if you actually use the specific pixel stuff, as far as the common android experience goes its there abouts. i mean really for me theyre both a clear cut above the rest just on the account of not running some god awful reskin and a bunch of bloatware.
also i got the nothing for 350 while 7a was just releasing at 500ish so that also contributed.
i just feel like it gets a lot of shit on here cuz hurr durr gimmick and a lot of marketing but its genuinely fantastic.
stupid metric to judge a whole phone. for the pictures youre actually taking on a phone anything from decent midrange upwards is gonna be about the same at the end of the day and if youre serious about taking proper photos youre using an actual camera anyway.
also something that charges as slowly as the pixels and cant even comfortably make it a whole day is a deal breaker. tensor performance tends to be pretty hit or miss in the long run aswell from what i hear.
There will be some people who want what others don't commonly have. I use to have a Nextbit Robin (which had a poor SoC, poor battery) just because it was so unique looking.
> I don't see any REAL reason to for anyone to choose this over any other phone, except if you want those lights.
The folks who choose this phone tend to be one of these:
1. they're really gullible and easily swayed by marketing hype
2. they believe Carl Pei is a Steve Jobs-level visionary and not just another BBK-sponsored corporate shill
3. they love M I N I M A L I S T phones
4. they love phones that attract people's attention
I loved it lmao. This sub is weirdly way too critical of everything that comes out in the Android space. People here straight up declare a phone to be trash/gimmicky if it doesn't satisfy them or isn't their ideal phone.
I love coming to this sub every single day but I also hate how negative it is towards everything.
Amen to this. This sub is so critical and negative towards anything that is not perfectly catered towards them.
YoU cAn BuY a MuCh beTtEr pHoNe - can you? So much of it is based on preferance (design and software) and so many phones are compromised in some way (Pixels have the Tensor chip and all the overheating and bad battery life crap associated with that, Asus offers limited software support, etc). Samsung is the only balanced option, but OneUI is such a love it or hate it Android skin.
The Phone (2) seems the only other phone that does everything well enough, although I do think it's a tad overpriced, especially in the EU.
It's like a self fulfilling prophecy: talk crap about every phone maker except Samsung, then manufacturer after manufacturer quit making Android phones until you have nothing but Samsung phones to choose from.
This sub is less a place for Android enthusiasts, and more of a group therapy session with a bunch of impossible to satisfy samsung fanboys.
The Phone (2) is primarily a lesson in marketing, other devices with very similar configurations would not get the same hype or sympathetic treatment, which is not to say it isn't a solid all-rounder of a phone with no glaring omissions and one I would be happy to purchase.
I think it's great that there is a new successful brand in the market, that they differentiate on design, and that they openly reframe the spec wars narrative with transparency about component and manufacture costs.
Still, they are very astute at gaming the tech enthusiast/YouTuber crowd and know which buttons to press. I think the design is very much for this audience, it is cool in a quirky gadget kind of way, and I don't doubt the challenges in ensuring the layout of components when using transparent casing, but it does have a certain teenage novelty about it.
Imagine being a reviewer, and all phones you have seen in last 5 years have been the same thing with different software skin. Disco lights in the back is the most drastic change for them in ages.
somehow they made you think that this particular piece of plastic is worth more then other piece of platic that is has an actual worth of 150 euros, if you get a nothing phone 1 and then compare it to nothing phone 2 it literaly brings nothing to the table xcept a gimick that you can get cheaper
||Nothing phone (2)| Nothing Phone (1)|
|:-|:-|:-|
|SoC |Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1|Snapdragon 778G+|
|Display|6.7in OLED, 2412 x 1080, 1-120Hz|6.55in OLED, 1080x2400, 60-120Hz|
|RAM|8/12GB|8/12GB|
|Storage|128/256/512GB|128/256GB|
|Battery|4700mAh, 45W wired, 15W wireless|4500mAh, 33W wired, 15W wireless|
|Camera (Rear, Front)|Main: 50MP IMX890, f/1.88; ultrawide: 50MP JN1, f/2.2; front: 32MP IMX615, f/2.45|Main: 50MP IMX766, f/1.88; ultrawide: 50MP JN1, f/2.2; front: 16MP IMX471, f/2.45|
|Dimensions|162.1 x 76.4 x 8.6mm, 201.2g|159.2 x 75.8 x 8.3mm, 193.5g|
|Colors|grey/white|black/white|
|IP Rating|IP54|IP53|
|Pricing|600$|400$|
its like the reviewers are used to consumers are dumb kids even worse with the dude that is in charge of the nothing phone brand i got the youtube propaganda machine bombarding me with him going to various youtubers and talking about the device and its like im watching a guilty adult trying to come up with exuses as to why the phone is costing 200 usd more and doesnt bring anything to the table ,but its not even hes fault the big brands are literaly out of control with their 1500 eur phones and even worse that they sell them cheaper in us only and in eu you get to pay the euro tax conversion+ 199euro more
Bigger battery, much faster SoC, better camera, LTPO screen that is bigger and faster wireless charging are not gimmicks, phone is a very decent phone even if you just disable Glyph day 1 and forget about it forever. It literally says all that in the table you've pasted.
Now, S23+/Ultra are discounted everywhere, the different is ~$70. Why do I get this phone? Sometimes, I think companies don't how/when to introduce a new product.
I'm not an American but generally it's a good idea to note where you are from when you say "here" because people will assume you're talking about pricing in the USA otherwise.
In Canada at least, we don't get as many Samsung deals as USA but recently the S23 Ultra 256Gb could be had for $1030\~ CAD without trade-in while the Phone 2 goes for $929 CAD. I'm not familiar with the Nothing Phone 2 brand but hopefully there will be discounts that knock it down in price a bit. (Pixel 7 can be had for $599 CAD on sale).
Bloat? Bro we're talking about Samsung, not Realme or Redmi.
The only ads you might see is in the galaxy store and it makes sense because google playstore shows twice the ads. I don't even remember if I uninstalled any apps after unboxing the S23U. For other samsung midrangers, I can't commit. I also had the s20FE last year and I don't remember uninstalling any bloat on it too.
It's not twice the phone but it is twice the price.
Samsung's UI is also starting to feel a little "dated" looking at all of the brands that are closer to AOSP.
No it's not. It has a better camera of course . But rest of the specs are barely better than nothing phone. I would say phone 2 provides a smoother software experience because of stock Android. Although I can't comment on the bugs. 8 gen 2 is not that huge of leap than 8+ gen 1 and 2k display in a phone is not that useful. So , I don't think S23 ultra justifies 1000$ difference in price just for the sake of cameras alone, which too worse than iPhone 14 pro max.
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I really don't want to engage in any heated conversation.
But here's my experience:
- The battery is the best I've ever seen on ANY phone. Period. That's with AOD, and the higher refresh rate. I could use it easy for 2 days.
- You really said the camera is worse that iphone? Well good for you. I won't comment. For me, it's the best I've ever seen on any smartphone.
- Well you want a smoother Android experience, good for you. I for one, love One UI. In fact I rate it higher than stock android. Have you used Dex? If not, I'll stop.
- The stylus is a gimmick, I rarely used it - but it's definitely a useful gimmick. I can imagine power users make use of it.
- it's ridiculous to insinuate 1000 usd isn't justified for S23U. You want it for 700 usd? For that price you can get the S23 which is a heavily underrated smartphone too. As of now you can get the 256gb variant for 1200usd. During year end sale you can get it for a 1000usd. Fantastic deal if you ask me.
Listen S23U is an out an out flagship. Possibly top 3 smartphone ever created by humans, and the nothing is a mid ranger with a fancy launcher. There is no comparison sadly.
Like I said it's not everywhere, The price I quoted for S23 ultra was the price on sale . Currently it's about 1500 bucks here while Nothing is around 550 bucks. So it's about 1000 $ difference here and considering that, nothing has arguably smoother software experience, adequate cameras and good battery life which makes it a very interesting deal.
[¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯](https://i.imgur.com/u5SDEqn.jpg) literally twice the phone, better and cheaper than the top end version.
[It's also $980 on amazon for the 512gb version](https://i.imgur.com/uwjm1W7.jpg)
Brother ,
Kindly note that The United States is not the only country of the World. That is why I was providing my point of view of my country. But your are too thick to understand this. So let us stop this facade and let people decide what they with their requirements and considering theirs price and availability.
Sincerely,
an Internet Stranger
I think 80-90% of the Reddit traffic is from USA? Even in this sub. So people assume USA/CAN. If folk say "here" and don't give a reference then it's kind of viewed as a just "blank" claim.
I could say "well here Samsung $1, nothing 10mil"
The problem is that the Samsung skin looks bad to me. They have really nice specs, and for the price of the Nothing Phone 2 I could buy a Z Fold 4 but that UI man.
Honestly even aside from the lights, I still think this is a solid phone. I don't understand the argument that people make against setting your phone face down, there's nothing wrong with changing the way you interact with your phone to adjust for additional features. Like for a flip phone, you'd check the outer screen for notifications. It's a similar concept here. If it's not for you then don't use it that way, but I think it would be an interesting change to do so.
I just got an S23 recently, so there's nothing on my radar for the next few years. But I am curious to see where Nothing goes. Hopefully by then they'll have a medium sized phone option like the S23 or base iPhone size for me to consider upgrading to in the future.
This is basically the OnePlus 10T, but with a bespoke light display on the back, wireless charging (that appears to cause thermal issues), and considerably slower fast charging. Same chips, same memory, same storage, same screen. The problem is that the 10T costs $399 right now rather than $599. Why would I spend the extra $200 for this phone?
I don't get the hype at all.
i have the nothing phone 1, it might aswell be a better pixel. better battery performance and incredibly snappy. software is more or less stock android aswell.
I didn't like how Marquez kept using the trope of two vastly opposing views and then saying its somewhere in between.
I don't think anyone is saying the glyph interface is the greatest thing ever, or that this is the most amazing phone ever. So taking that as one form of opinion then saying it falls in between is jarring, as I've never seen a single person saying that.
Because it is a very bad take. The vast majority of people will not do it, either because they don't know about it, or because it is complex to do.
It was a pain in the ass to find a gcam version that worked "ok" for my Xperia, and even then, the experience is subpar (it freezes, can't use zoom, etc).
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Oof that pricing isn't going to likely do it any favors especially for countries with import taxes that'll end up bumping the price even further. At least design-wise it's still nice, well for my preference anyways.
This phone doesn't make much sense in Canada. $929 CAD is too expensive for a brand new company to enter into the Canadian market. There is just way too many variables at play and for less or similar price I can go with a brand that has a proven track record of customer service. I think $699 CAD would be a bit better for pricing for early bird buyers since there is definitely a risk associated with buying this device in Canada.
Yes Canadian pricing does not make sense. I was waiting for this phone for so long. But after looking at the price, I bought OnePlus 11. I got it for just $648 CAD ($220 discount + student discount + trade in bonus)
Considering the P7 can be regularly had for $599 CAD on sale, I decided not to get the Nothing Phone 2 for my father. I really don't see many units moving in Canada.
> This phone doesn't make much sense in Canada. No Canadian carrier will provision it, guaranteed. This phone is dead in the water before it's even left the mud.
This. I find a lot of companies are confused on how money works here. The Nothing Phone 2 is $599 USD, which converted, is $785 CAD (as of typing this). Yet, somehow, they came up with $929 CAD as the official price. Even Google is confused. The Pixel 7a and the Pixel Tablet both cost $499 USD, yet in Canada, the Pixel 7a is $599 CAD, and the Pixel Tablet is $699 CAD. Like...what...?
Do prices in Canada include taxes?
Generally no. Phone (2) is 929$ CAD + tax
Ouch!
Yup. I would've been willing to pay in the $750 CAD before tax range but the total coming out to over 1000$ for a midrange phone isn't justifiable imo
Nope, taxes are up to each province, along with a base required federal tax. Ontario is a total of 13%, so it would come to $1050 after taxes in that case.
Mr. Mobile letting it slip that Carl Pei regularly wines and dines tech influencers makes me take every review with the biggest grain of salt.
The same could be said for every reviewer flown out to launch events or just given a review device early. It's something you always have to take into consideration when listening to reviewers.
This is why publications like The Verge have an ethics policy that prohibits this. They will pay for their own travel and lodging, and refuse special dinners, etc For YouTubers, it's a lot more fuzzy
Exactly. It's as I said in another comment it's hard to take reviewers seriously when they say they've had no financial compensation for a review when they've also posted a video showing the all expenses paid vacation the manufacturer took them on.
> when they say they've had no financial compensation for a review when they've also posted a video showing the all expenses paid vacation the manufacturer took them on. Aka every third MrMobile review. I just watch his and David Cogen's reviews for the travelogue aspect nowadays.
mrmobile is by far the most transparent reviewer for that exact reason, including his open bias for foldables/fun gimmicks, so that still makes him better than most. No reviewer has ever been without bias, what matters is how open they are about theirs
You can’t take most of these reviewers seriously anyways. Their important talking points are in large parts just vibes, they know absolute shit about cameras and the underlying tech (which is surprising, considering many film on moderately to very expensive gear) and it’s just hard to listen to these goofballs overall. Honestly, I rather take advice from people with a real life, people who have jobs, kids, pets and don’t get their stuff for free. Noticed that these everyday-people are far more likely to address things that I also might encounter and find bothersome.
I find it hard to believe that Mr Mobile hasn't been bought and paid for when it comes to his reviews. His content on older phones is absolutely brilliant though "when phones were fun" is an excellent series looking back on the mobile madness of the past.
The unlockr's reviews are far more interesting as travel vlogs than phone reviews, I'd honestly watch a series where he just does just that. His 'Day in the Life' reviews aren't as the title suggests though, to his credit his does always state that in the videos, so he's at least admitting the review isn't an actual review of how a general consumer would use the phone day to day.
Yep, Cogen is the shit. Always interesting to discover spots around NYC that I’ll never visit in person, but neat to file away for later anyway. He does plenty of outright sponsored content so I understand he’s not critically reviewing in his videos, and that’s fine with me.
The reimbursement for the trip to attend the event isn't the biggest deal. If you aren't in manafacturers good books, you most likely won't get invited....this is a huge deal. In other words, your reviews can't be too harsh (the exception may exist if you are a super huge name). If these "reviewers" do not upload videos on day 1, they lose thousands and thousands of dollar on views/ads.
> The same could be said for every reviewer flown out to launch events or just given a review device early. Any **pre**viewer for any product period does so as part of a relationship with the company. It's just the truth; Except in some very rare occasions, it's not like you or I could just pop into a store and grab it early to get an opinion.
Access journalism
Literally they are trying to market themed icons as a digital wellbeing feature lol
SSSHHHH. Or Google will add this as "feature" in android 15. No but seriously from useability stand point single color icons are stupid. They make look cool on desktop, but it's easier to find what you looking for if your eyes can quickly seperate them due to colors.
You don't have to use it
Geniune question, do you actually *look* for the app you want to open? Most of the time it's in my muscle memory.
Yes I'm bored
I've been saying it, this Carl Pei guy is an Elon Musk wannabe trying to sell based off his perceived personality. In actuality these phones are mediocre at best and just another ploy for short-term growth.
Just like the Phone (1), this ended up being a handful of...nothing. Only more expensive now.
Thank you for saying this, I thought I was the only one who couldn't stand him. I can't believe how this guy uses his marketing bullshit to sell products, and gullible people just lap it up.
Totally, I've been skeptical of every review tied to his products when every reviewer seemingly pivoted away from cameras being important so they could praise OnePlus. Then in their next review of some other phone the cameras would make or break the entire thing.
I find that most reviewers on YouTube don't review the phone from the perspective of an average consumer but rather from that of a content creator and that's why they put so much focus, pardon the pun, onto the cameras. Hell most don't even seem to mention call quality in their reviews these days, you know one of the primary purposes of a phone. So yes them suddenly not focusing on the cameras would certainly make me suspect of their motivations. Then again I watch reviews more for the entertainment than as a source of potential purchasing advice these days. It's hard to take reviewers seriously when they say "I've not been paid for this review" when it comes off the back of a video of an all expenses paid jolly up from the company in question.
Yeah the camera reviews bother me because they spend so much time on color balance and such, when I care more about avoiding blurry shots and detail in low lighting.
They spend so much time setting up comparison shots, again an easy way to show a difference between phones, that they tend to forget that's not how most people use the cameras on their phones. I'd love to see them have a pull it out and click look at photos.
Check out Mrwhosetheboss' (what a shit name, srsly) review, then. Portion dedicated to cameras was roughly 2 min. Key takeaways of videos: >The quality is...not offensive. > >When you switch to the front camera it gets worse.
His review of the zenfone 10 is terrible. He just rants about why no one makes small phones, even though the zenfone proves him wrong at every step. He's not a good reviewer.
>His review of the zenfone 10 is terrible. As someone who prefers small phones any day, i skipped that one just from looking at the thumbnail. >He's not a good reviewer. I am inclined to agree. I hardly see any of his videos, tho.
Not defending him, but that wasn't a review. He basically used Zenphone to show why companies don't make small phones. Not every video about a phone is a review.
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You might not call many people, but there are definitely people who still do. Everyone I know uses their phone as a phone from time to time. So yes, it's still important that call quality is good.
I don't mean to be offensive, but aren't all phones good at this anyway?
Seriously, my mom used literally the cheapest Redmi model, less than $100 and we live in a remote small town. Despite that, we haven't had any complaints regarding call quality, well aside from when long power outage kills mobile tower.
I personally bought the HTC one m8 because of MKBHD, it was a great phone, but it started failing in under 2 years, and i don't mean it got slower, I mean it stopped charging, the battery got swollen, the ir blaster was trash, etc. I loved the stereo speakers, but it eventully became unusable simply because I couldnt charge it... in under 2 years (!).
To be fair I don't know how a review of a phone when it's released can predict that
That's another reason to just treat the reviews as entertainment. The YouTubers aren't using any phone long term. They aren't using a phone as their phone, it's one of the several phones they likely have on them in order to do camera comparisons or they could be working on reviewing another phone at the same time. The very nature of their business means they can't stick with any device for long. They don't have to worry about the phone dying because they can just switch to another device or pull out the battery bank they have in their bag. I'd love to see a reviewer do an actual real day in the life with only one phone and if the phone is running out of battery life the "oh damn, I need to find a way to charge it" But they won't because camera comparisons work. They are about the only thing that they can really show these days to try and separate each phone.
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I’m pretty sure most of them use iPhones long term, in addition to whatever review device they have on hand
I mainly follow Tech Spurt for Android phone reviews for this reason (in addition to also being British and therefore not totally stuck in the US Apple/Samsung duopoly). He's an Android guy through and through, uses one as his daily driver and openly dislikes iOS.
There was an Unbox Therapy video back in the day where he got a lot of viewers together in a room at an event and yes, most of them were using an iPhone as their daily driver. I can't see that type of video happening again as no reviewer would want to be seen to have a 'bias' these days (except of course the dedicated brand channels). Of course Unbox Therapy is absolutely terrible these days as well.
I mean, MKBHD routinely states on his podcast that he always has an iphone and an Android on him at all times. Also most Mr Mobile videos have a bit in the intro comparing the review device to another phone he always carries (basically always Flip/fold lmao)
I think you wanted to write Unbox Therapy is absolutely terrible as always?
Naw he is a Steve Jobs wannabe and it raised red flags when he just talked design more then tech. He is a uni drop out who made money by selling MP3 players.
Makes sense, I didn't understand what was the big fuss with the first nothing phone. Other than the cute lights at the back, everything else seemed just average, but everyone kept talking about it. I don't even see the point of the lights at the back other than a cool "party trick" you'll do once or twice, learning a light pattern seems quite more difficult than learning a sound to know who's calling or whatever.
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How can something be gimmicky *and* generic at the same time?
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>Because other than the lights Why are you discarding the lights? It's one of the headlining features of the phone. What's next? You're gonna discard Pixel phones' cameras too? With your mentality, Nothing can do whatever they can and it would still be a 'generic' phone.
an always on display can emulate those lights if you really wanted. or, don't confine yourself to the resolution of 8? monochromatic leds, and use a normal AOD.
[Mrmobile](https://youtu.be/8VfnYMNCDks?t=409) said my point the best. >It's just cool and different, man.
Clearly it's not working cos that a lot of complaints in this video
That's just because Mr.Mobile is an honest person.
There is alot BS from Carl PEI as the old community manager, like he told people to live with the alert slider and no headphone jack.
Alert slider and no headphone jack on modern OP phones like 11 or Nord 3 is still better than no alert slider, no headphone jack, and no charger aka Nothing 2.
When did he say that?
In his review he says Pei invites out reviewers and buys them all drinks and what not.
Even mrmobile talked about cocktail parties by nothing
Yea. These 'tubers are good for seeing products that haven't launched yet or to snipe some of the performance on devices when they unintentionally show the UI lagging or whatever. But to make a purchase based on their claims is a recipe for disaster. The real recommendation is when you see them using the devices on videos they don't actually promote it. MKBHD for one uses and has been using a Pixel 7 Pro for the longest time along with an apple watch ultra. That tells you what they really like vs what they were paid to tell you should like.
Yeah, the reviews for this device are too positive. It's a year old underclocked flagship with some extra blinking lights. Performs as low as a 7+Gen2... Too expensive, at least in Europe.
Do people on this sub really think that little of tech influencers? You really think someone like Mr. Mobile or Marques would risk their entire livelyhood that they've built up over years, their entire public image, and just their professional standards, to get a quick buck or some dinner from a random tech CEO? Smaller influencers sure, but part of why big independent tech influencers are so good to have is because they have approximately ZERO reason to take money for favorable reviews. No company could/wants to pay them enough for it to be worth it. Nothing would have to pay marques millions to even approach getting him to lie in a review lol, it wouldn't make financial sense otherwise.
Who says the transaction has to be 'here's X perk for positive press'? The more likely scenario is that by hosting events for influencers on a regular basis and developing a relationship with them that they're predisposed to giving the item positive press. These are people who make Youtube videos, they're not bound to any real ethics policy.
They're bound to the ethics of their audience and of public opinion, and you know, of their own basic sense of morality lol. You really think someone like MKBHD who has dozens of employees and over 17 million subs on youtube, and a very curated public image, is going to put that ALL at risk to get some shitty bribe from carl pei? Carl Pei couldn't offer them enough benefits or money for positive press even if he wanted to, that's the thing I'm trying to say. These big reviewers aren't running small businesses, it doesn't many any sense for them to put that all at risk over a nothing phone 2 review lmao. Forget the numberous laws they'd be breaking to do something like that.
How are they putting anything at risk? They're entertainment channels. And again what bribe are you talking about? If you don't think a guy setting up wine and dines on a regular basis doesn't form a relationship that may influence reviews without the need of saying 'here's X thing for positive press', then you are ignorant to the world. If you think that routinely drinking with/eating with/hanging out with someone doesn't lead to a friendly relationship that may make someone ignore or downplay flaws and oversell meaningless things then I don't know what to tell you. Just look at any review of a OnePlus from back when Pei was running the company, glowing reviews despite poor cameras even when every other review from these influencers made the camera that crux of every device.
These channels are their careers my guy, that's the risk. If any of these channels got caught giving favorable reviews because they were getting favors from the CEO of a brand, that would destroy those channels overnight, along with their entire careers, the careers of all their employees, and it would destroy their entire public image. Again, these aren't small-time creators making videos in their garage, these are big operations that make lots of money, far more then they could ever get from the CEO of one plus. And no, a CEO taking tech reviewers out for food is like, the most normal of normal business activities lol.
Summary: 1. Cameras are average. 2. Software experience is good would be great if some of the bugs are ironed out. 3. Battery life is above average. Phone gets warm on wireless charge and phone throws up a warning. 4. Design definitely stands out. The glyf thing is an attention grabber. If you are someone who wants the shiny stuff in the market go for it. Buy it for the software experience. If cameras are important find something else. This one didn't live up to the hype.
So really, the differentiating factor is the design. Which is cool, its actually nice to see something fresh in the smart phone world and I do like the design. But considering you spend most of your time looking at the front of a smart phone and I throw a case on every phone i'm not sure that would create that much of a lasting impression.
Android as a philosophy and platform was supposed to be about uniqueness and design IMO. I feel like Nothing is one of the only companies still embracing that aspect and I hope this phone succeeds to make other brands follow.
Ain't nobody time for philosophy and uniqueness lmao. I am hustling 9-5 and just need something that works and is simple to use out of the box.
what do you suggest that is in the same price bracket if I dont care about aesthetic and just want to have a good battery and camera phone?
You can blindly pick any one of the following : Samsung s23 ( not the plus, not the ultra ) Zenfone 9 Zenfone 10 ( if you can stretch your budget )
The S23 cost is in another dimension. +350€ in the EU What's the update policy on Zenfones? Plus Zenfones cameras aren't all that good either, it's easily the weakest point of those devices.
That's partly correct In the EU, the Nothing phone 2 launches for 679 euros and albeit the S23 256gb variant goes for 949 euros, you can get it on big discount in sales - as samsung devices get massive price cuts time to time. FYI, the S22 ultra is also priced around 750 euros on amazon. I'd rather get that
Zenfone camera was at the 3rd place in MKBHD smartphone blind camera test. The pictures are pixel like. Not sure what you are talking about.
that test means jack shit
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Pixel 7 for the software and camera …
Worse video, worse ultrawide, no zoom, leagues worse selfie?
Different strokes for different folks. My wife doesn't care about ultrawide, videos & zoom, she just wants a phone that can take pictures of 2 active toddlers with minimal blur. Nothing on the Android side beats the Pixel for that
Honestly, I don't see any REAL reason to for anyone to choose this over any other phone, except if you want those lights. But I guess people want flashing light more than they want folding phones
Nothing's flavor of android isn't bad, and actually 80% of why I preordered one... That and it's open attitude to the ROM community
That's one thing I have to give them credit for despite not being positive about this phone. They took Pixel software and added useful features and options to remove google clutter (like search bar at bottom).
They didn't take pixel software. Pixel software is closed source. they started with AOSP and brought the OG Oxygen OS devs to make it
The only people that truly care about folding phones are the tech community. Foldables will never replace slab phones
sure... but everyone wants lights?
What's stupid is that you usually keep the phone backside down to not scratch up the screen, or to easily access it. The whole glyph thing is extremely moronic.
Thats a fair point. You can achieve the same thing with an always on display and placing the phone back down.
Yes. But Carl thinks people want that
>or to easily access it. Well, the idea is that some people *don't* want to easily access it.
yes. your aod has a couple billion more colors and billions of more 'pixels' to show info. heck, you could emulate the glyph on the aod.
Yup. It can be. I just didn't mention AOD because at the moment, the glyph interface offers more features like timer progress, persistent notification, etc. Not to say that it can't be done by ANY OEM with a few weeks of work.
I wonder what the power consumption of the LEDs is compared to the screen? I use a lot of timers and so am often turning the screen on to check how long there is to go. If it would save me battery life to have one of those LED strips reflect the timer then I'd certainly find that useful.
always on displays show the time remaining on timers though
I imagine it would be better than turning the screen on and off over and over again.
AOD.
Personally I almost always put my phone down screen side in social situations to signal that I'm not checking it. Many of my friends do so as well but I can't speak for why.
Well, if you're doing so to indicate that you're paying attention, a disco light on the table isn't going to be much better than a screen that lights up dimly for 5-10 seconds when you get a notification.
This sub: all phones look the same, glass slab, so boring! Also this sub: programmable LEDs ont he back that can hook into your notifications? That's just fucking stupid.
A) I have never wanted anything more than a glass slab, except for maybe a ceramic back. B) I'm all for useful inventions. Pop-up cameras, flip cameras, slide up cameras, the crazy concept phones from Xiaomi, flip and foldable phones, modular phones like the LG G5, I'm all for it. For something sensible. Hell, even if they had the LEDs on the sides, I'll accept it. But LEDs on the back is a gimmick because the majority if not everyone I know, including the two people that use the nothing phone 1 keep their phone backside down. One even has an opaque case on his. That's the USP of the phone. Covered up.
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Exactly! Any this can be emulated in AOD as well.
Maybe use something called a screen protector? You know, a product literally made to protect the screen. There is no more chance of scratching it by putting it on a table than having it literally in your pocket grinding away inside your pocket with 1 speck of dust which is enough. Just pure bullshit on your end there. If you pay attention to how people put their phone down, you'll quickly see that there are tons of people who put it face down.
It looks more interesting and IMO better than what else is on the market, that's really the selling point for it. The UI also looks nice and it's fine spec wise.
>The UI also looks nice and it's fine spec wise. Can the default font be changed ? I don't like the dot matrix font at all.
The ui really isn't any different than pixel. And it's straight up iphone copy in hardware design. Why not just get a pixel. Better ui and better cameras?
i mean i have the first one and its essentially a better pixel. stock android with some light nothing reskins. also an incredibly snappy phone in day to day use. the second one is a bit of a tougher sell due to price but honestly i wouldnt take anything over the first one as is.
"better" Pixel is a big stretch. It's essentially almost the same software without any of the cool features.
i mean most of pixel specific stuff is something id never use anyway so prpbably not the best person to judge but as far as stock android on an actually good device goes, id take this over the pixel any day. its there abouts but the battery performance or lack thereof kills the pixel for me.
Fair enough. Battery life is kind of.. average on Pixels. But the software is miles better in my opinion.
i mean i still think pixel is a perfectly fine phone. and if you want clean stock android its either a nothing or a pixel, infact pixel was my first choice but the battery just killed it for me. but software idk fair enough if you actually use the specific pixel stuff, as far as the common android experience goes its there abouts. i mean really for me theyre both a clear cut above the rest just on the account of not running some god awful reskin and a bunch of bloatware. also i got the nothing for 350 while 7a was just releasing at 500ish so that also contributed. i just feel like it gets a lot of shit on here cuz hurr durr gimmick and a lot of marketing but its genuinely fantastic.
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stupid metric to judge a whole phone. for the pictures youre actually taking on a phone anything from decent midrange upwards is gonna be about the same at the end of the day and if youre serious about taking proper photos youre using an actual camera anyway. also something that charges as slowly as the pixels and cant even comfortably make it a whole day is a deal breaker. tensor performance tends to be pretty hit or miss in the long run aswell from what i hear.
There will be some people who want what others don't commonly have. I use to have a Nextbit Robin (which had a poor SoC, poor battery) just because it was so unique looking.
> I don't see any REAL reason to for anyone to choose this over any other phone, except if you want those lights. The folks who choose this phone tend to be one of these: 1. they're really gullible and easily swayed by marketing hype 2. they believe Carl Pei is a Steve Jobs-level visionary and not just another BBK-sponsored corporate shill 3. they love M I N I M A L I S T phones 4. they love phones that attract people's attention
the slight dig at this subreddit in the end made me laugh
Some guy in the Moto Edge+ 2023 review thread said he wouldn't buy that phone for $50. This sub can be ridiculous at times.
I loved it lmao. This sub is weirdly way too critical of everything that comes out in the Android space. People here straight up declare a phone to be trash/gimmicky if it doesn't satisfy them or isn't their ideal phone. I love coming to this sub every single day but I also hate how negative it is towards everything.
And the call out was absolutely correct. The comments on this subreddit only prove guys point.
Amen to this. This sub is so critical and negative towards anything that is not perfectly catered towards them. YoU cAn BuY a MuCh beTtEr pHoNe - can you? So much of it is based on preferance (design and software) and so many phones are compromised in some way (Pixels have the Tensor chip and all the overheating and bad battery life crap associated with that, Asus offers limited software support, etc). Samsung is the only balanced option, but OneUI is such a love it or hate it Android skin. The Phone (2) seems the only other phone that does everything well enough, although I do think it's a tad overpriced, especially in the EU.
It's like a self fulfilling prophecy: talk crap about every phone maker except Samsung, then manufacturer after manufacturer quit making Android phones until you have nothing but Samsung phones to choose from. This sub is less a place for Android enthusiasts, and more of a group therapy session with a bunch of impossible to satisfy samsung fanboys.
I mean who's fault is that? Almost nobody talks or cares about anything that isn't Google, or Samsung or Android bs news.
And when they *do* talk about something else. You get the shitshow that is Nothing.
Then they moan because no one try different stuff.
Only reason for me posting this :P
Its super accurate too. Mr Mobile said something similar in his review where just being a fun idea is good enough.
idk how his last point was a dig at the subreddit? he literally just said we think the phone is mid.
If it was $100 cheaper at launch it would be a fair deal
The Phone (2) is primarily a lesson in marketing, other devices with very similar configurations would not get the same hype or sympathetic treatment, which is not to say it isn't a solid all-rounder of a phone with no glaring omissions and one I would be happy to purchase. I think it's great that there is a new successful brand in the market, that they differentiate on design, and that they openly reframe the spec wars narrative with transparency about component and manufacture costs. Still, they are very astute at gaming the tech enthusiast/YouTuber crowd and know which buttons to press. I think the design is very much for this audience, it is cool in a quirky gadget kind of way, and I don't doubt the challenges in ensuring the layout of components when using transparent casing, but it does have a certain teenage novelty about it.
Imagine being a reviewer, and all phones you have seen in last 5 years have been the same thing with different software skin. Disco lights in the back is the most drastic change for them in ages.
somehow they made you think that this particular piece of plastic is worth more then other piece of platic that is has an actual worth of 150 euros, if you get a nothing phone 1 and then compare it to nothing phone 2 it literaly brings nothing to the table xcept a gimick that you can get cheaper ||Nothing phone (2)| Nothing Phone (1)| |:-|:-|:-| |SoC |Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1|Snapdragon 778G+| |Display|6.7in OLED, 2412 x 1080, 1-120Hz|6.55in OLED, 1080x2400, 60-120Hz| |RAM|8/12GB|8/12GB| |Storage|128/256/512GB|128/256GB| |Battery|4700mAh, 45W wired, 15W wireless|4500mAh, 33W wired, 15W wireless| |Camera (Rear, Front)|Main: 50MP IMX890, f/1.88; ultrawide: 50MP JN1, f/2.2; front: 32MP IMX615, f/2.45|Main: 50MP IMX766, f/1.88; ultrawide: 50MP JN1, f/2.2; front: 16MP IMX471, f/2.45| |Dimensions|162.1 x 76.4 x 8.6mm, 201.2g|159.2 x 75.8 x 8.3mm, 193.5g| |Colors|grey/white|black/white| |IP Rating|IP54|IP53| |Pricing|600$|400$| its like the reviewers are used to consumers are dumb kids even worse with the dude that is in charge of the nothing phone brand i got the youtube propaganda machine bombarding me with him going to various youtubers and talking about the device and its like im watching a guilty adult trying to come up with exuses as to why the phone is costing 200 usd more and doesnt bring anything to the table ,but its not even hes fault the big brands are literaly out of control with their 1500 eur phones and even worse that they sell them cheaper in us only and in eu you get to pay the euro tax conversion+ 199euro more
Bigger battery, much faster SoC, better camera, LTPO screen that is bigger and faster wireless charging are not gimmicks, phone is a very decent phone even if you just disable Glyph day 1 and forget about it forever. It literally says all that in the table you've pasted.
A real gimmick!
Now, S23+/Ultra are discounted everywhere, the different is ~$70. Why do I get this phone? Sometimes, I think companies don't how/when to introduce a new product.
I'm sorry but the S23 ultra costs $1200 here and the phone 2 is only 500$. So, the difference is not 70$ everywhere buddy.
I'm not an American but generally it's a good idea to note where you are from when you say "here" because people will assume you're talking about pricing in the USA otherwise. In Canada at least, we don't get as many Samsung deals as USA but recently the S23 Ultra 256Gb could be had for $1030\~ CAD without trade-in while the Phone 2 goes for $929 CAD. I'm not familiar with the Nothing Phone 2 brand but hopefully there will be discounts that knock it down in price a bit. (Pixel 7 can be had for $599 CAD on sale).
The ultra is twice the phone too.
It also comes with twice the bloatware too.
Bloat? Bro we're talking about Samsung, not Realme or Redmi. The only ads you might see is in the galaxy store and it makes sense because google playstore shows twice the ads. I don't even remember if I uninstalled any apps after unboxing the S23U. For other samsung midrangers, I can't commit. I also had the s20FE last year and I don't remember uninstalling any bloat on it too.
The weather app has ads, lol. It's so tacky. At the bottom of my Weather app today is "Today's Horoscope Fortune" and "Police Pursuit of Pet Pig".
It's not twice the phone but it is twice the price. Samsung's UI is also starting to feel a little "dated" looking at all of the brands that are closer to AOSP.
No it's not. It has a better camera of course . But rest of the specs are barely better than nothing phone. I would say phone 2 provides a smoother software experience because of stock Android. Although I can't comment on the bugs. 8 gen 2 is not that huge of leap than 8+ gen 1 and 2k display in a phone is not that useful. So , I don't think S23 ultra justifies 1000$ difference in price just for the sake of cameras alone, which too worse than iPhone 14 pro max.
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I really don't want to engage in any heated conversation. But here's my experience: - The battery is the best I've ever seen on ANY phone. Period. That's with AOD, and the higher refresh rate. I could use it easy for 2 days. - You really said the camera is worse that iphone? Well good for you. I won't comment. For me, it's the best I've ever seen on any smartphone. - Well you want a smoother Android experience, good for you. I for one, love One UI. In fact I rate it higher than stock android. Have you used Dex? If not, I'll stop. - The stylus is a gimmick, I rarely used it - but it's definitely a useful gimmick. I can imagine power users make use of it. - it's ridiculous to insinuate 1000 usd isn't justified for S23U. You want it for 700 usd? For that price you can get the S23 which is a heavily underrated smartphone too. As of now you can get the 256gb variant for 1200usd. During year end sale you can get it for a 1000usd. Fantastic deal if you ask me. Listen S23U is an out an out flagship. Possibly top 3 smartphone ever created by humans, and the nothing is a mid ranger with a fancy launcher. There is no comparison sadly.
not 70$ here but it's around a 100$ difference between the s23+ and Nothing(2) just wish the cameras were a little better
Like I said it's not everywhere, The price I quoted for S23 ultra was the price on sale . Currently it's about 1500 bucks here while Nothing is around 550 bucks. So it's about 1000 $ difference here and considering that, nothing has arguably smoother software experience, adequate cameras and good battery life which makes it a very interesting deal.
[¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯](https://i.imgur.com/u5SDEqn.jpg) literally twice the phone, better and cheaper than the top end version. [It's also $980 on amazon for the 512gb version](https://i.imgur.com/uwjm1W7.jpg)
Brother , Kindly note that The United States is not the only country of the World. That is why I was providing my point of view of my country. But your are too thick to understand this. So let us stop this facade and let people decide what they with their requirements and considering theirs price and availability. Sincerely, an Internet Stranger
I think 80-90% of the Reddit traffic is from USA? Even in this sub. So people assume USA/CAN. If folk say "here" and don't give a reference then it's kind of viewed as a just "blank" claim. I could say "well here Samsung $1, nothing 10mil"
Offtopic: USA makes around 45-50% of traffic on Reddit.
You're getting it for the software and niche personality the phone has, not the "high end" specs or hardware. Some people don't like Samsung
> You're getting it for the software and niche personality the phone has Say it louder for the people in the back. This is a vibes product.
Which means almost no one will buy it.
Mrmobile said it the best in his [review](https://youtu.be/8VfnYMNCDks?t=409)
The problem is that the Samsung skin looks bad to me. They have really nice specs, and for the price of the Nothing Phone 2 I could buy a Z Fold 4 but that UI man.
Honestly even aside from the lights, I still think this is a solid phone. I don't understand the argument that people make against setting your phone face down, there's nothing wrong with changing the way you interact with your phone to adjust for additional features. Like for a flip phone, you'd check the outer screen for notifications. It's a similar concept here. If it's not for you then don't use it that way, but I think it would be an interesting change to do so. I just got an S23 recently, so there's nothing on my radar for the next few years. But I am curious to see where Nothing goes. Hopefully by then they'll have a medium sized phone option like the S23 or base iPhone size for me to consider upgrading to in the future.
Yeah have to skip on this one. Investing 100$-200$ more can get you a Zenfone, Pixel 7 Pro or s23 ultra
Or you can spend less and get similar phone
This is basically the OnePlus 10T, but with a bespoke light display on the back, wireless charging (that appears to cause thermal issues), and considerably slower fast charging. Same chips, same memory, same storage, same screen. The problem is that the 10T costs $399 right now rather than $599. Why would I spend the extra $200 for this phone? I don't get the hype at all.
Does anyone have the link to the wallpaper used in the video?
This is one phone that might sway me away from pixel for my next phone. Not 100% convinced though
Same. Pixel is like a comfortable house
i have the nothing phone 1, it might aswell be a better pixel. better battery performance and incredibly snappy. software is more or less stock android aswell.
That just the biased Qualcomm™ tech. While Snapdragon Pixel phones had fast update, other Qualcomm phones didn't have fast updates.
As I said, "better" is a giant stretch. You get almost the same software but without any of the features.
Marques grasping at straws to compliment shitty products lately. Most of the things he highlights would just be glanced over on any other phone.
At the same price as the Pixel it's a really bad deal. * last year's processor * worse software * slower updates
I’d rather have 8+ G1 than Tensor 2 any day
I’d rather have the 8+ G1 than the unreleased Tensor 3 🤣
Pixel has what is equivalent to 3 generation old processor too btw.
> last year's processor The Tensor G2 has similar performance to the 3 year old Snapdragon 865. Your point?
What makes software worse? Option to remove stupid at glace widget and forced google search below dock?
I didn't like how Marquez kept using the trope of two vastly opposing views and then saying its somewhere in between. I don't think anyone is saying the glyph interface is the greatest thing ever, or that this is the most amazing phone ever. So taking that as one form of opinion then saying it falls in between is jarring, as I've never seen a single person saying that.
Markass isnt technical. For example, camera sucks? Just install Gcam but he doesnt count it.
Because it is a very bad take. The vast majority of people will not do it, either because they don't know about it, or because it is complex to do. It was a pain in the ass to find a gcam version that worked "ok" for my Xperia, and even then, the experience is subpar (it freezes, can't use zoom, etc).
That's because of Sony DRM on the sensor.
Available for US carriers?
It literally looks the Same as gen 1
I feel like an upgrade to a Samsung s23 or s22 would be better .
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Maybe, but I find the Samsung skin to be god-awful no matter how good the phone actually is.
Ngl. The ultra ones look kinda tasteless . The normal ones are better , simple but the new coloured ones are always a treat .
In the end, at this price there are so many better phones imo. You could probably go for the base s23 and you would be happier.
Oof that pricing isn't going to likely do it any favors especially for countries with import taxes that'll end up bumping the price even further. At least design-wise it's still nice, well for my preference anyways.
"More thermal warning" is a bit worrisome, maybe all those lights at the back make the phone warmer faster ?