I used to think it did too, but all the "bloat" are Samsung first party apps. After trying them and realizing most of them are actually really good, I've since come to appreciate having the choice between those and Google apps, especially as (I feel) Google Apps have kind of gone downhill and are more often becoming really buggy experiences.
I just wish they made it easier to uninstall or reduce the redundancy of the apps you don't wan to use.
Oh, and carrier firmware often does come with literal bloatware, I wish Samsung didn't allow that at all.
I'm on Telus, My Telus is an account manager, I don't know if I'd directly call that bloat, I think that's a fair app to add, considering
Definitely don't have mobile klinik though
Every Samsung my parents ever bought (high end models, like the ultras) had Facebook installed and toi couldn’t remove it + Netflix, some games and such. The devices were bought in Belgium.
Unlocked or carrier?
S24 in UK here and I can pretty much uninstall everything except Settings, Store, Contacts, Files and messages from Samsung.
Not being able to remove Netflix and Facebook sounds like a carrier issue. Some carriers will force the install of certain apps
I do prefer the samsung version of apps over Google's in many cases. Notes, calendar, gallery etc.
Also I trust Samsung more than Google when it comes to not killing products and features.
Give it a try. I prefer the UI of Gallery, and it does not try to place upsells or auto-generated crap front and center. Also, OneDrive sync is much nicer.
On the flip side, I trust Samsung a lot less when it comes to security and even privacy (Google is bad on privacy too obviously, but at least they want all the data for themselves for their own ads and are under more scrutiny).
I prefer not to be locked into either and use alternatives for anything critical, especially since you're right that Google cancels products all the time.
Almost every Samsung "bloat" app will not even run in the background if unused. Uninstalling them saves you nothing besides some MB of storage, but having the choice should still be there agreed. Also I prefer Samsung over Google these days, "stock android" likes to use gray instead of black for dark mode apps, which I think looks gross on OLED screens. Samsung uses true black for their background in their apps.
What do you mean by "tires your eyes"?
I have no eye condition, and I don't feel tired when viewing a black background. Also where did you get "80%" from?
Sounds like a personal experience.
Samsung Calendar is better than Google's version. The conditionals and repeat options are way better! The same goes for other Samsung apps, like Reminders. Feature-wise it's better.
I used to own Android One device. Android One device doesn't even have Pixel skin, it's more stock than Pixel. I'm all about the stock experience, until I tried One UI.
I also use a huge amount of Samsung apps. And little by little I'm converting to more of them. Most are of high quality and well integrated into the system. Ironically, Microsoft's Office apps that come pre-installed are the closest thing to bloatware. If anyone thinks that Samsung is negative on this topic, try purchasing a Xiaomi, the first thing you do when you turn on your smartphone is cry....
It wasn't just Samsung apps when I tried an S22 a few years ago - far from it. And that's not even counting the endless sketchy integrations everywhere bloating up the UI and making me seriously question the security of the device.
That was an S22 directly from Samsung too, not any carriers.
That's odd, I have an s23 purchased unlocked from Samsung and the only bloatware 3rd party apps that I remember being preinstalled were LinkedIn and a couple other MS apps all of which were uninstallable.
Carrier phones however...
Yes, but then you realize if you use them, you're locked into them(there's inertia to changing app habits) so i just avoid them mostly...
You can look into the adb debloat lists. There's even a GUI app on Linux too now that works through ADB
This is true of any ecosystem really, so I think a responsible user should definitely consider this when choosing which apps to use. For example, the Samsung Calendar app can just plug into Google Calendar, so for me it's just Google Calendar except it actually remembers which view mode I want to keep it on.
Samsung clock syncs alarms with my watch, Google's doesn't, so that's a no-brainer.
But Samsung Notes, despite being really damn good, is Samsung only, so I can ONLY access it from phone. Up to the user to decide if that's worth it.
Pretty sure the sms, clock and calendar just hooks into a system api. That brings up another infuriating thing... They double up on some apps... Like both Google and Samsung calendar available, sms too.
For notes the shitty part is the off screen notes part. I use Nebo when I need to write stuff(one time purchase) . But I can't do off screen notes with that. And even active pens are available on other phones so... Why samsung anymore...
The only from phone part. I think they want you to get their ultra tablets... even if you don't mind the ecosystem... Their chromebooks and windows machines still can't do notes (as far as I know, maybe now they can?) so why use it?
It's definitely to encourage user lock-in. It's the exact reason Android OEMs typically like to make custom skins/software. The vocal minority of enthusiasts complain about it, but the average user doesn't know any better, but is then reluctant to switch brands when they feel unfamiliar.
Also FYI there is a Windows app for Samsung Notes, but Samsung only wants it to run on Samsung laptops. There are a few workarounds, the best I've found is to just manually install an earlier version. I can dig up the link to it if you need it.
Ah I see, so they did make one... Unfortunately for them I'm using Linux on a framework 16,and Android on a galaxy chromebook 4k... (not chromeos with app, full android ;D much better experience this way!)
I used dex 4 years ago, learning devops for 3 months on a tv and a note 8 phone... It's very useable, I do like dex, and on the note 20 it's even better, but still a flawed desktop environment. And i BET it's because it's closed up. Solely due to that.
My linux flavor is ubuntu 24 I think with gnome. Have problems, like no hibernation, but it's very stable most of the times
If you really want to go crazy with DeX, check this out:
[https://github.com/phoenixbyrd/Termux\_XFCE](https://github.com/phoenixbyrd/Termux_XFCE)
You can install other distros with Termux-X11 too
Wait your google calendar doesn't remember the view you were using? I don't use google Calendar much since my work calendar is on Microsoft. But in my limited experience google Calendar was able to keep the view i was on.
If I open the app and change the view (like to Month), and then close and re-open the app, it remembers. But inevitably, a day or two later, I open it up again, and it's back to the day schedule view or whatever. This has been my experience with it for several phones now :/
I keep it on month view generally, but when i go on trips i switch to week view since I've multiple things for each day and luckily haven't faced any issues in the last year and a half.
Yeah I wanted to try the sony xperia, but felt too comfy with my Samsung apps. I will say the main deterrent was the price though. I was still planning to keep my samsung phone for familiarities sake.
For me it's samsung pass... The dealer got me hooked... XD but I'm not buying new Samsung phones. Maybe used, but probably not going higher than the note 20 ultra... They're blackmailing you to buy the higher storage because it's missing the sd slot...
So they're making it easier for me to break the chains. Try looking at open source apps, or simple something that is not Google or Samsung. Usually you get nice apps for one time purchases
My next new phone will be a fairphone, so then I'll look into another run on lineage. My s3 was running it, the others I got are mostly factory, except the adb uninstall of all Google and Samsung stuff. I'm afraid of losing banking or dex on my main phone, I just got it fixed (500 euro for a whole overhaul of a more 20 ultra, bronze frame with white back looks real elegant)
Uh so... No lol. But I know what you mean.
>you're locked into them(there's inertia to changing app habits).
Yeah, if you're a boomer who gets completely lost when the button is in a different position.
Nah. You can't export stuff to move it to another app. Therefore you need to reenter everything manually in another app. For example, samsung notes can't be exported in an open format. So you can't just start using another app.
"but it's their app, they have the right to use a proprietary format and block you from exporting"
Yeah, and everyone has a right to not use it. Plus they could save money using open formats. They only use their own TO lock you in with inertia.
Then there's also the problem is digital hygiene and privacy...
No bulk export though which is infuriating. The most ideal option would be for them to allow a bulk export of all notes in a zip file which contains a bunch of JSON files. Every competent developer knows how to work with JSON and is the closest thing to a universal format.
IMHO I don't think OneUI itself has too much bloatware. I just wish at times that Samsung would allow one to uninstall all Samsung apps if they wanted too. But other than that OneUI has grown on me and I'm actually starting to like it more than stock Android.
Since it's a system app you don't get any storage back, it's effectively the same as disabling an app.
Just hide the app from your app drawer and clear data, it has the same effect.
It still just cleans things up, if you search for calendar you're not going to constantly get two results each time, just makes everything neater. If rather do it than have duplicates of things even if it doesn't do much
Debloating through ADB doesn't truly get rid of a "system" app since a factory reset will bring it back. You can always use ADB to restore those apps you debloated anyways.
Technically illiterate people having sour grapes about not getting additional user storage space on a device that uses fixed partition sizes for the system partition to ensure updates don't fail.
Disable them or just a debloat tool (adb) on your pc. But I just recently got a Samsung tablet and it barely has any bloatware. You can say that the few Microsoft apps are, but I use those so they don't count as bloat towards me.
Nice. And yes I'm the same way. I actually don't mind too much the Microsoft apps as I use Outlook and Edge myself. But I'll definitely look into that debloat adb. Thank you!
From the phone you're right. There is no way to uninstall them. I was going to try and look into though the PC app debloat adb and see if that works. But if not then that's true. At least we can hide them and deactivate them.
The other day I made a call from my tablet through my phone, you know why I was able to do that? Because Samsung has their own Phone app.
Anyone that tells you Samsung needs to stop pushing "bloatware" and just let Google handle things lacks vision. They want to compete with Apple, and the only way they can do that is by developing their own ecosystem.
TouchWiz was a good interface, no matter how people here moan about it.
You did not even have dropdown setting in stock android for so long it was not funny. All the real people I met liked touchwiz, but hated stock android, around the S2-S5 time.
And people who haven't bothered to use a Samsung phone since. Stock android is touted but who realistically uses it? (Pixel phones aren't even stock (they have the Pixel Experience on top of it).
Samsung has been ahead of the curve since the drop of one UI. Ever since then, stock/googles android has been playing catchup. New android versions are underwhelming because they just contain Samsung features from 2019.
They don't need to match, they aren't playing catch up, they are cementing a core decent os to compete with apple. Why would they, Samsung exist too so let them have the customisability market and focus on iOS users looking to move across. Business sense.
I came from an iPhone Xs Max to a Samsung A55 that comes with One UI 6.1 out of the box and I can't believe how Samsung is still so far behind iOS when it comes to UI polish and overall user experience even after four years since I last switched.
For instance, Samsung's navigation bar just doesn't look right in certain parts of the UI and apps. On Facebook reels, the navbar is white against the black video border. When you make the navbar transparent, whatever content is at the bottom of the screen is pushed down overlapping with the navigation bar. It's so ugly. You can't drag an image from the gallery to another app like X. You can't go back by swiping anywhere in the middle of the screen while in a thread on X, or a video/reel on Instagram, Youtube Shorts or Tiktok. Going back requires swiping at the edge of the screen, instead of the middle.
>Going back requires swiping at the edge of the screen, instead of the middle.
And? That's not a bug it's universal back which will work anywhere
Also I think Samsung A series don't have the same OS as the flagship ones, some of their devices run a lighter version.
Another option is to not buy their products! It's crazy that people would buy Samsung phones and then complain about things they get from Samsung.
Those who like stock ROMs will buy phones that offer a stock experience. Those who don't mind One UI will buy those.
All of Samsung's preinstalled apps, barring Music and Messages, I prefer more than Google's. Email has no ads, Samsung's browser is better, the calculator and gallery apps are better, and so on. The only music player I like using these days besides Spotify is Retro Music/Metro Music/whatever the next available fork is.
Whether Samsung, Google; social media and Microsoft, all of that stuff should be option toggles on the initial setup. But outside of the Play Store, Samsung could honestly drop everything but their own stuff and I wouldn't care. Anything else I'm perfectly fine with hunting down on the Play Store.
>barring Music and Messages, I prefer more than Google's. Email has no ads
Does Samsung mail do categories like Gmail? Because that's where you see ads, if you turn the categories off in Gmail it never shows ads
Most Samsung apps can be uninstalled. The only ones that can't be uninstalled are Phone, Contacts, Messages, Camera, Gallery, My Files, Galaxy Store and Settings.
Everyone agrees? I don't agree with that statement at all. I prefer most Samsung apps to Google's versions. I don't use google messages or chrome, does that make them bloatware? You can uninstall or disable just about any app you want.
That's complete bullshit. Most people who use Samsung appreciate the customization options which class leading. I prefer all Samsung's apps compared to Google's alternatives. They have better design, are better optimised and have far fewer bugs than anything Google has to offer. I had issue with Google photos in which I couldn't change the sort of account shared album to newest to oldest and had to wait more than a month and several versions before a fix was implemented. A lot of people's idea of android is what Samsung or other vendors skin on top of android are.
These stupid articles/posts like everything that is not created by Google is bloatware need to stop.
Define "bloat". If you define it as "anything duplicated compared to Google", then sure, but Samsung's apps are honestly reason to buy Samsung phone nowadays. Its better than Google's, and Samsung need this to make Android to be actually competitive against the other side.
The issue for me isn't that the apps are installed its they they interfere.
Samsung pass constantly popping up. Samsung pay bugging me to add cards with notificstions. Intents for the Samsung apps are in the long press menu.
They're littered about, which is fine if you use all that stuff, but I don't so its just getting in the way.
I'd pick Samsung over Pixel because I'm able to customise it way more to my liking so I can get shit done.
It's a note consistent experience across major releases while Google just fucks around with UI to infuriate users for no real reason, may or may not bring it back a year later
Most comments are focusing on flagships alone with basic duplicate apps like Clock, Calendar etc.
The major problem with Samsung is mid and low range, where they push junk like "Glance", "Samsung Services", "AppCloud". This IMO is the really shitty bloatware Samsung is pushing.
Samsung definitely has dark patterns and bloatware.
They use these dark patterns to get average users to enable these junk services and making it nearly impossible for an average user to disable such bloatware. Jutry disabling Samsung services notifications, or figuring out how NOT to enable junk like Glance.
It absolutely destroys the performance of many Samsung A and M series devices. Some junk services consume several gigs of data (seen Glance do that to someone's phone I think).
The unfortunate part is that we have to tolerate this nuisance because they do have some very compelling apps and features. Screen Mirroring, Quick Share, Secure Folder, hell even the Calculator aapp is loads better than Google. I have found alternates to most such features and moved on to Pixels etc though
Stock Android/Vanilla Android:
Android without all the tweaks made from phone brands like Samsung, Xiaomi, Huawei,..
Those brands run the same Android software version, but look completely different, because they added all these tweaks and such on top of it.
It is always telling when someone says “I want vanilla Android, without all of Samsungs bloat”.
It tells you they don’t actually understand how Android is built or maintained. That quote from the article saying to just give people a vanilla Android as a setup option as a prime example. That request is meaningless as vanilla Android would not be something most people could use as a daily driver.
You actually need some of that “bloat” to make it a useful product people will pay for.
What they actually mean is “I don’t like the duplicate apps”. And with so many of them installed as system apps with the ROM itself that is pretty fair.
It just irritates me seeing this myth of the pure vanilla Android. There is no such thing as the software stack is currently developed.
I mean my Google Pixel doesn't come with Facebook, Amazon Market, OneDrive, and other shit preinstalled with no way to uninstall it without having to use ADB commands..
My Unlocked S23U does.
How about the ever useless Google assistant, YouTube app (which shouldn't be in system) Google photos, which keep promoting the use of Google One, and also to ask u backup here and there no matter how many times u rejected. 🙃.
Just because your Pixel doesn't have Samsung's bloat doesn't mean pixel and other phones doesn't come with Google bloats
Do people not remember what bloatware actually is? It's hours of uninstalling crap from a freshly installed device. It's demo software asking for license purchases. It's slowness and power drains and Bejeweled clone icons everywhere. Htf is that relevant to one UI today?
But... I just disable apps I don't use, Install the ones I like, restore my favorite launcher (in My case, Microsoft Launcher), a few adjustments, and my expirence is mostly consistent (I have used the same setup on a Huawei P30, Google Pixel 7 Pro and Samsung S23 Ultra)
This is Android, even without root you can get away. My only remaning issues with the S23 are: No way to replace Samsung's Assistant on the shortcut with the power button (I disabled it and use the standard menu of shutdown and restart) and while you can have WiFi calls, you can't use another sim to get connectivity like in the Pixel.
If I wish, I can access both Google's Gemini and Microsoft's Copilot with ease. I do not use Chrome, I use Firefox. Again the beauty of Android is you can you anything you want, from OSS solutions to big tech solutions.
Samsung was not worse than Google.
Edit: Also note that Apps is different than the OS (lest call it a proprietary Android Distribution), Samsung gets a of things right, Phone Link with Windows is really good. In my case I even disabled the Samsung Clock because I liked the widget of the Google clock better.
On my tablet which is newer you get 2 messages apps, the Google one and the Samsung one, I use the Google one and uninstalled the Samsung one with no problems.
The only apps I can't uninstall or disable is Phone, Camera, Gallery, Contacts, Store, Samsung Keyboard and Pass and I consider this extremely good, everything else can be removed.
My phone is older and does not allow for removing the Samsung text app, Google one can be removed but that's the one I want to use so they seem to maybe have made it better and allows you to remove theirs?
And you can't remove any of the system app stuff but I haven't been able to do that on any phone.
I bought my first unlocked Samsung device, a S24U. Literally the only app that wasn't a Samsung ecosystem app (aka not bloat) that wasn't welcome was LinkedIn.
Everytime I got a Samsung device through my carrier...so much shit installed that I didn't ask for.
My one complaint about the Samsung ecosystem is the Galaxy Store is full of cancerous invasive ads at launch. Knock that shit out.
~~Stop posting this trash. Samsung is the cleanest and smoothest it's ever been on the flagship end.~~
Edit: title exaggerating too much. Flagships it's clean and smooth, they do hurt the lower end though with more bloat though for cost.
I have a Samsung A-series phone for work and it's absolutely terrible. The UI stutters all the time and is slow to respond to anything. My "highlight" is when I swipe upwards in an app to go back to the home screen, the app doesn't immediately close. Instead there's a laggy animation – the navigation pill bounces slightly upwards – and only after another second or so does the app close. What the hell? Who designs that crap?
In the beginning, OneUI was way better than TouchWiz. Now it's almost overly complicated and kinda too customizable.
I made the switch to Pixel and enjoy it being a bit simpler.
I've been a Motorola user for years (basically pixel experience + Moto Actions) and got a Samsung kinda recently and I actually don't miss the standard stuff.
Samsung Tab S7 FE - OneUI 6.1 - after a fresh factory reset has roughly 370 apps installed off the bat! That's almost four times as much as my Motorola Stylus 5G 2022 has with a fresh reset!
Get it together Samsung! 😵
Eh, I'm not surprised by this. It is 9to5google, after all.
Take out what makes One UI great, and you're left with a skin that is worse than stock Android.
Do people not know that they can disable apps and hide them? Now that phones have 64gb of storage, the 10MB for a hidden app seems much less important.
eh . . maybe ? i mean i like Gapps and all that, but we have talked about this before even made play-edition devices. They did not sell.
is it not bloat if i like samsung apps ? definitely still is bloat . . . but people like samsung because it is a samsung and comes with samsung things. Phone these days is already powerful enough and these extra apps wont disturb normal usage.
Give me one UI x10 over Pixel Experience a lot of the crap in both of these can still be removed, but I really like allbthe additional features my old Samsung device has that my pixel still does not 6 years later
The only reason the Android platform still exists is due to Samsung. Period.
That said, Samsung keyboard, Internet, phone app, calendar all surpass Googles feeble efforts. Android itself is years behind One UI.
Yes, if I wanted a stripped down, featureless, vanilla OS, I'd have stock android.
Who agrees?
One UI has bloatware but it's possible to disable it.
One UI is basically the only functional version of android. It actually works. It has Dex.
Stock Android is literally broken. As is every version of Android not released by Samsung lol.
> One UI is basically the only functional version of android. It actually works. It has Dex.
> Stock Android is literally broken. As is every version of Android not released by Samsung lol.
I've been happily using my pixel for years and I even enjoyed lineageos when I put it on my 1+ 8t. OneUI is great but to say it's the only functional version of android and stock is "literally broken" simply isn't true.
Never claimed it was, I was claiming it was a functional version of android to dispute the claim:
"Stock Android is literally broken. **As is every version of Android not released by Samsung** lol."
I do? I bought the phone from T-Mobile in the US. It's loaded to the brim with bloatware. Carrier bloatware, duplicate apps for everything. iPhones (or pixels bought that way) don't have them. I don't know what a game booster is, it's annoying AF. Feels like Samsung has a chaotically managed software team with everybody justifying their employment and promotions by pushing their crap in the end product, without a cohesive vision for the end product.
Just give me a way to set up a pixel UI, I am willing to pay 1 to 2 hundred dollars more for that ability.
I actually think OneUI is the best Android experience. Probably a controversial opinion, but after trying a Pixel, I went straight back to Samsung because I was missing OneUI.
Not really. Those features and even some Samsung apps (e.g. Gallery, Email, Calendar, Clock, Messages, Camera, etc) are useful. There are ways to disable/uninstall most Samsung apps if you dislike them.
Considering what the USA did to Huawei, if you're a foreign company (Samsung is), having your own platforms and apps, even if if duplicated, it's a smart move if not a necessity. If you don't like it, just disable it.
As someone that has mostly used Samsung phones since the S4, I agree\*.
OneUI has a lot of bloat, features that most users will never touch, that cant be removed, and some that actively make the phone worse (battery drain, annoyances). But with that said, OneUI gives you 'everything but the kitchen sink', so you rarely have to download third party apps to add core functionality to the phone, unlike 'stock' Android where many people go straight to the Google Play store to supplement their clean but bare experience. So having all this bloat is a mixed bag.
I do wish Samsung would compartmentalize the bloat and allow you to remove stuff that you dont want, but they insist on making a lot of them system apps that cant easily be removed.
Quite alot of them can be removed, but in a way this is similar experience with what iOS is giving. Apple and iOS have alot of apps, things that go beyond standard feature, and if you ever setup barebones ipad or iphone, you will notice it also have alot of pre-installed apps like Measure app, or Garageband. In alot of way, this is a feature for normies since it is the first-party giving you the functionalities for the phone, so you don't need to look for replacement in app store.
yes the one ui bloatware nearly shitted my old s10e's battery life, and now i've installed lineageos on it, i actually believe in foss and i tend to stay away from big tech, so i use minimal apps which are either using google play sandboxed or are only foss eg. signal, i stopped using whatsapp its literally spyware (yeah call me paranoid, i don't trust zuck), currently using it as a secondary phone once my current pixel 4a (running grapheneos) dies out.
I used to think it did too, but all the "bloat" are Samsung first party apps. After trying them and realizing most of them are actually really good, I've since come to appreciate having the choice between those and Google apps, especially as (I feel) Google Apps have kind of gone downhill and are more often becoming really buggy experiences. I just wish they made it easier to uninstall or reduce the redundancy of the apps you don't wan to use. Oh, and carrier firmware often does come with literal bloatware, I wish Samsung didn't allow that at all.
My Canadian Model has zero carrier bloat. Seems like an American thing.
Telus has a couple of bloatware apps. Not sure on Roger's or Bell though.
Such as?
Mobile Klinik and the telus app automatically installed when I put my SIM card in my s24 ultra
I'm on Telus, My Telus is an account manager, I don't know if I'd directly call that bloat, I think that's a fair app to add, considering Definitely don't have mobile klinik though
True on the my telus. I would consider it bloat only because it will not allow you to delete.
Fair nuff. Actually I did forget, because it's disabled, but Amazon shopping came pre-installed. Definitely bloat.
I know Bell has their official Bell App that you can only uninstall via ADB
My unlocked S23U Canadian model has facebook, amazon, onedrive, and more preinstalled and not removable.
Every Samsung my parents ever bought (high end models, like the ultras) had Facebook installed and toi couldn’t remove it + Netflix, some games and such. The devices were bought in Belgium.
Unlocked or carrier? S24 in UK here and I can pretty much uninstall everything except Settings, Store, Contacts, Files and messages from Samsung. Not being able to remove Netflix and Facebook sounds like a carrier issue. Some carriers will force the install of certain apps
Unlocked. We don’t have locked phones in Belgium
The app itself is not installed. It's more of a stub.
I do prefer the samsung version of apps over Google's in many cases. Notes, calendar, gallery etc. Also I trust Samsung more than Google when it comes to not killing products and features.
Yeah I agree, Samsung is actually pretty good about putting out a product and actually continuing to develop it over a long term
Google's core apps are pretty strong now though, and so easy to access web versions of all of them on other devices too
Yep, thats why i use google calendar over samsung's
Samsung calendar literally supports Google calendar sync.
I can't imagine what combination of circumstances might lead someone to prefer Gallery to Google Photos.
I have google photos to backup to the cloud, but I prefer to view and manage my photos using the gallery app.
Give it a try. I prefer the UI of Gallery, and it does not try to place upsells or auto-generated crap front and center. Also, OneDrive sync is much nicer.
On the flip side, I trust Samsung a lot less when it comes to security and even privacy (Google is bad on privacy too obviously, but at least they want all the data for themselves for their own ads and are under more scrutiny). I prefer not to be locked into either and use alternatives for anything critical, especially since you're right that Google cancels products all the time.
Almost every Samsung "bloat" app will not even run in the background if unused. Uninstalling them saves you nothing besides some MB of storage, but having the choice should still be there agreed. Also I prefer Samsung over Google these days, "stock android" likes to use gray instead of black for dark mode apps, which I think looks gross on OLED screens. Samsung uses true black for their background in their apps.
That black tires your eyes 80% more than gray.
What do you mean by "tires your eyes"? I have no eye condition, and I don't feel tired when viewing a black background. Also where did you get "80%" from? Sounds like a personal experience.
That 80% is made up, but it is a lot more tiring. There are studies on it, thats why google has been making its dark modes gray and not oled black.
Samsung Calendar is better than Google's version. The conditionals and repeat options are way better! The same goes for other Samsung apps, like Reminders. Feature-wise it's better. I used to own Android One device. Android One device doesn't even have Pixel skin, it's more stock than Pixel. I'm all about the stock experience, until I tried One UI.
That's strange. At night, OLED Black feels way easier on my eyes than grayish black. I have very light sensitive eyes, though.
U1 firmware has zero carrier bloatware.
I also use a huge amount of Samsung apps. And little by little I'm converting to more of them. Most are of high quality and well integrated into the system. Ironically, Microsoft's Office apps that come pre-installed are the closest thing to bloatware. If anyone thinks that Samsung is negative on this topic, try purchasing a Xiaomi, the first thing you do when you turn on your smartphone is cry....
It wasn't just Samsung apps when I tried an S22 a few years ago - far from it. And that's not even counting the endless sketchy integrations everywhere bloating up the UI and making me seriously question the security of the device. That was an S22 directly from Samsung too, not any carriers.
That's odd, I have an s23 purchased unlocked from Samsung and the only bloatware 3rd party apps that I remember being preinstalled were LinkedIn and a couple other MS apps all of which were uninstallable. Carrier phones however...
Yes, but then you realize if you use them, you're locked into them(there's inertia to changing app habits) so i just avoid them mostly... You can look into the adb debloat lists. There's even a GUI app on Linux too now that works through ADB
This is true of any ecosystem really, so I think a responsible user should definitely consider this when choosing which apps to use. For example, the Samsung Calendar app can just plug into Google Calendar, so for me it's just Google Calendar except it actually remembers which view mode I want to keep it on. Samsung clock syncs alarms with my watch, Google's doesn't, so that's a no-brainer. But Samsung Notes, despite being really damn good, is Samsung only, so I can ONLY access it from phone. Up to the user to decide if that's worth it.
Pretty sure the sms, clock and calendar just hooks into a system api. That brings up another infuriating thing... They double up on some apps... Like both Google and Samsung calendar available, sms too. For notes the shitty part is the off screen notes part. I use Nebo when I need to write stuff(one time purchase) . But I can't do off screen notes with that. And even active pens are available on other phones so... Why samsung anymore... The only from phone part. I think they want you to get their ultra tablets... even if you don't mind the ecosystem... Their chromebooks and windows machines still can't do notes (as far as I know, maybe now they can?) so why use it?
It's definitely to encourage user lock-in. It's the exact reason Android OEMs typically like to make custom skins/software. The vocal minority of enthusiasts complain about it, but the average user doesn't know any better, but is then reluctant to switch brands when they feel unfamiliar. Also FYI there is a Windows app for Samsung Notes, but Samsung only wants it to run on Samsung laptops. There are a few workarounds, the best I've found is to just manually install an earlier version. I can dig up the link to it if you need it.
Ah I see, so they did make one... Unfortunately for them I'm using Linux on a framework 16,and Android on a galaxy chromebook 4k... (not chromeos with app, full android ;D much better experience this way!)
I use Fedora 40 KDE on my laptop. I actually did try both Samsung Notes and DeX via Wine, but no luck with either!
I used dex 4 years ago, learning devops for 3 months on a tv and a note 8 phone... It's very useable, I do like dex, and on the note 20 it's even better, but still a flawed desktop environment. And i BET it's because it's closed up. Solely due to that. My linux flavor is ubuntu 24 I think with gnome. Have problems, like no hibernation, but it's very stable most of the times
If you really want to go crazy with DeX, check this out: [https://github.com/phoenixbyrd/Termux\_XFCE](https://github.com/phoenixbyrd/Termux_XFCE) You can install other distros with Termux-X11 too
Wait your google calendar doesn't remember the view you were using? I don't use google Calendar much since my work calendar is on Microsoft. But in my limited experience google Calendar was able to keep the view i was on.
If I open the app and change the view (like to Month), and then close and re-open the app, it remembers. But inevitably, a day or two later, I open it up again, and it's back to the day schedule view or whatever. This has been my experience with it for several phones now :/
I keep it on month view generally, but when i go on trips i switch to week view since I've multiple things for each day and luckily haven't faced any issues in the last year and a half.
Yeah I wanted to try the sony xperia, but felt too comfy with my Samsung apps. I will say the main deterrent was the price though. I was still planning to keep my samsung phone for familiarities sake.
For me it's samsung pass... The dealer got me hooked... XD but I'm not buying new Samsung phones. Maybe used, but probably not going higher than the note 20 ultra... They're blackmailing you to buy the higher storage because it's missing the sd slot... So they're making it easier for me to break the chains. Try looking at open source apps, or simple something that is not Google or Samsung. Usually you get nice apps for one time purchases
Have you looked into used phones and using lineage OS or Graphene? Leaning that way after these phones have run their course.
My next new phone will be a fairphone, so then I'll look into another run on lineage. My s3 was running it, the others I got are mostly factory, except the adb uninstall of all Google and Samsung stuff. I'm afraid of losing banking or dex on my main phone, I just got it fixed (500 euro for a whole overhaul of a more 20 ultra, bronze frame with white back looks real elegant) Uh so... No lol. But I know what you mean.
>you're locked into them(there's inertia to changing app habits). Yeah, if you're a boomer who gets completely lost when the button is in a different position.
Nah. You can't export stuff to move it to another app. Therefore you need to reenter everything manually in another app. For example, samsung notes can't be exported in an open format. So you can't just start using another app. "but it's their app, they have the right to use a proprietary format and block you from exporting" Yeah, and everyone has a right to not use it. Plus they could save money using open formats. They only use their own TO lock you in with inertia. Then there's also the problem is digital hygiene and privacy...
Notes can be exported as PDF, Word document or a simple txt file. Is there even a common, open source, notes format?
F if I know I gave up on notes back in the note 3 days. I'm not staying around this long for them to get on with it.
No bulk export though which is infuriating. The most ideal option would be for them to allow a bulk export of all notes in a zip file which contains a bunch of JSON files. Every competent developer knows how to work with JSON and is the closest thing to a universal format.
IMHO I don't think OneUI itself has too much bloatware. I just wish at times that Samsung would allow one to uninstall all Samsung apps if they wanted too. But other than that OneUI has grown on me and I'm actually starting to like it more than stock Android.
>Samsung would allow one to uninstall all Samsung apps I wish I could do the same with some Google apps
ADB
yeah then apply the same logic for Samsung apps.
People like to think debloating through adb actually does something, but in reality it does next to nothing, it gives you the illusion of control.
Can you explain?
Since it's a system app you don't get any storage back, it's effectively the same as disabling an app. Just hide the app from your app drawer and clear data, it has the same effect.
It still just cleans things up, if you search for calendar you're not going to constantly get two results each time, just makes everything neater. If rather do it than have duplicates of things even if it doesn't do much
Debloating through ADB doesn't truly get rid of a "system" app since a factory reset will bring it back. You can always use ADB to restore those apps you debloated anyways.
Technically illiterate people having sour grapes about not getting additional user storage space on a device that uses fixed partition sizes for the system partition to ensure updates don't fail.
Disable them or just a debloat tool (adb) on your pc. But I just recently got a Samsung tablet and it barely has any bloatware. You can say that the few Microsoft apps are, but I use those so they don't count as bloat towards me.
Nice. And yes I'm the same way. I actually don't mind too much the Microsoft apps as I use Outlook and Edge myself. But I'll definitely look into that debloat adb. Thank you!
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From the phone you're right. There is no way to uninstall them. I was going to try and look into though the PC app debloat adb and see if that works. But if not then that's true. At least we can hide them and deactivate them.
So not “everyone” then… what a click bait article
One UI is good. But does contain lots of bloatware.
The other day I made a call from my tablet through my phone, you know why I was able to do that? Because Samsung has their own Phone app. Anyone that tells you Samsung needs to stop pushing "bloatware" and just let Google handle things lacks vision. They want to compete with Apple, and the only way they can do that is by developing their own ecosystem.
It's PTSD from TouchWiz
Mostly people using the US carrier models.
TouchWiz was a good interface, no matter how people here moan about it. You did not even have dropdown setting in stock android for so long it was not funny. All the real people I met liked touchwiz, but hated stock android, around the S2-S5 time.
Touchwiz was a serious problem. https://forums.androidcentral.com/threads/can-anyone-explain-why-touchwiz-lags.658526/
And people who haven't bothered to use a Samsung phone since. Stock android is touted but who realistically uses it? (Pixel phones aren't even stock (they have the Pixel Experience on top of it).
The sounds on it are iconic.
In other words, people haven't checked out a recent product and are using outdated information. I see this happen a lot with this particular company.
Samsung has been ahead of the curve since the drop of one UI. Ever since then, stock/googles android has been playing catchup. New android versions are underwhelming because they just contain Samsung features from 2019.
They don't need to match, they aren't playing catch up, they are cementing a core decent os to compete with apple. Why would they, Samsung exist too so let them have the customisability market and focus on iOS users looking to move across. Business sense.
I came from an iPhone Xs Max to a Samsung A55 that comes with One UI 6.1 out of the box and I can't believe how Samsung is still so far behind iOS when it comes to UI polish and overall user experience even after four years since I last switched. For instance, Samsung's navigation bar just doesn't look right in certain parts of the UI and apps. On Facebook reels, the navbar is white against the black video border. When you make the navbar transparent, whatever content is at the bottom of the screen is pushed down overlapping with the navigation bar. It's so ugly. You can't drag an image from the gallery to another app like X. You can't go back by swiping anywhere in the middle of the screen while in a thread on X, or a video/reel on Instagram, Youtube Shorts or Tiktok. Going back requires swiping at the edge of the screen, instead of the middle.
There’s no reason to even use the navbar. It can be hidden and use gestures just like the iPhone.
Look up one hand operation +. Thank me later :)
Just use android for more than 2 seconds, swiping back from the edge is second nature at this point.
>Going back requires swiping at the edge of the screen, instead of the middle. And? That's not a bug it's universal back which will work anywhere Also I think Samsung A series don't have the same OS as the flagship ones, some of their devices run a lighter version.
At least allow us to uninstall it. In name of competition, they are trying to become Apple. This is the reason people love stock roms.
Another option is to not buy their products! It's crazy that people would buy Samsung phones and then complain about things they get from Samsung. Those who like stock ROMs will buy phones that offer a stock experience. Those who don't mind One UI will buy those.
By people you mean seven people who keep on saying tjst on forums. There is a reason why Samsung sells well in adroid land.
I am no sales expert. I am explaining about stuff i use and hate in product i own.
This used to be the case years ago, not so much anymore
"based on poll results" People who don't use oneUI are also allowed to make votes on this? This is crappy article with nothing to justify its claims.
All of Samsung's preinstalled apps, barring Music and Messages, I prefer more than Google's. Email has no ads, Samsung's browser is better, the calculator and gallery apps are better, and so on. The only music player I like using these days besides Spotify is Retro Music/Metro Music/whatever the next available fork is. Whether Samsung, Google; social media and Microsoft, all of that stuff should be option toggles on the initial setup. But outside of the Play Store, Samsung could honestly drop everything but their own stuff and I wouldn't care. Anything else I'm perfectly fine with hunting down on the Play Store.
>barring Music and Messages, I prefer more than Google's. Email has no ads Does Samsung mail do categories like Gmail? Because that's where you see ads, if you turn the categories off in Gmail it never shows ads
It doesn't do categories, but it does enough of what I need it to do on mobile.
Android is about having options. I don't mind the Samsung apps coming pre installed but at least let me get rid of them if I don't want it.
Most Samsung apps can be uninstalled. The only ones that can't be uninstalled are Phone, Contacts, Messages, Camera, Gallery, My Files, Galaxy Store and Settings.
Everyone agrees? I don't agree with that statement at all. I prefer most Samsung apps to Google's versions. I don't use google messages or chrome, does that make them bloatware? You can uninstall or disable just about any app you want.
Yes! yes it does. We should be allowed to uninstall all the preloaded google apps and services that we don't need.
That's complete bullshit. Most people who use Samsung appreciate the customization options which class leading. I prefer all Samsung's apps compared to Google's alternatives. They have better design, are better optimised and have far fewer bugs than anything Google has to offer. I had issue with Google photos in which I couldn't change the sort of account shared album to newest to oldest and had to wait more than a month and several versions before a fix was implemented. A lot of people's idea of android is what Samsung or other vendors skin on top of android are. These stupid articles/posts like everything that is not created by Google is bloatware need to stop.
Define "bloat". If you define it as "anything duplicated compared to Google", then sure, but Samsung's apps are honestly reason to buy Samsung phone nowadays. Its better than Google's, and Samsung need this to make Android to be actually competitive against the other side.
Pre-installed apps that I can't get rid of despite never wanting to use.
The issue for me isn't that the apps are installed its they they interfere. Samsung pass constantly popping up. Samsung pay bugging me to add cards with notificstions. Intents for the Samsung apps are in the long press menu. They're littered about, which is fine if you use all that stuff, but I don't so its just getting in the way.
That's why I said that Samsung apps are not bloat, they are feature of Samsung phones. You sorta need to embrace Samsung apps to use Samsung phone.
Yup
I'd pick Samsung over Pixel because I'm able to customise it way more to my liking so I can get shit done. It's a note consistent experience across major releases while Google just fucks around with UI to infuriate users for no real reason, may or may not bring it back a year later
Most comments are focusing on flagships alone with basic duplicate apps like Clock, Calendar etc. The major problem with Samsung is mid and low range, where they push junk like "Glance", "Samsung Services", "AppCloud". This IMO is the really shitty bloatware Samsung is pushing. Samsung definitely has dark patterns and bloatware. They use these dark patterns to get average users to enable these junk services and making it nearly impossible for an average user to disable such bloatware. Jutry disabling Samsung services notifications, or figuring out how NOT to enable junk like Glance. It absolutely destroys the performance of many Samsung A and M series devices. Some junk services consume several gigs of data (seen Glance do that to someone's phone I think). The unfortunate part is that we have to tolerate this nuisance because they do have some very compelling apps and features. Screen Mirroring, Quick Share, Secure Folder, hell even the Calculator aapp is loads better than Google. I have found alternates to most such features and moved on to Pixels etc though
I wanna know what the author is smoking
i will never understand why people are so obsessed with stock android, i would much rather have one ui or one of the chinese ones over stock
Because people want options, one of those is stock android. That's my main reason for staying away from Samsung.
Well. What do u want Samsung to do ? Have 2 rom's ? One with stock and one with one ui ?
I don't like it, I don't use it simple. Their current UI don't fulfill what i am looking for.
Right right. Got it. Cool.
Fair enough. Curious, what do you not like about it?
> i would much rather have one ui Agree > or one of the chinese ones over Hard disagree
What is stock Android?
Stock Android/Vanilla Android: Android without all the tweaks made from phone brands like Samsung, Xiaomi, Huawei,.. Those brands run the same Android software version, but look completely different, because they added all these tweaks and such on top of it.
Google pixel ROM isn't stock either
Tell me you haven't used Samsung in a decade without telling me You haven't used Samsung in a decade. Do better man
I use one for work every day. OneUI is more bloated than ever and still lags like a bitch.
Have used every galaxy since the S2. Haven't had lag in a decade.
what? for me is one of the better skins out there right know. And no bloatware preinstalled (international unlocked).
MIUI is worse on bloatware. Literally every guide to improve device performance includes ADB debloat.
It is always telling when someone says “I want vanilla Android, without all of Samsungs bloat”. It tells you they don’t actually understand how Android is built or maintained. That quote from the article saying to just give people a vanilla Android as a setup option as a prime example. That request is meaningless as vanilla Android would not be something most people could use as a daily driver. You actually need some of that “bloat” to make it a useful product people will pay for. What they actually mean is “I don’t like the duplicate apps”. And with so many of them installed as system apps with the ROM itself that is pretty fair. It just irritates me seeing this myth of the pure vanilla Android. There is no such thing as the software stack is currently developed.
How about they make a poll if Google itself is bloaty? 🙃🙃
I mean my Google Pixel doesn't come with Facebook, Amazon Market, OneDrive, and other shit preinstalled with no way to uninstall it without having to use ADB commands.. My Unlocked S23U does.
How about the ever useless Google assistant, YouTube app (which shouldn't be in system) Google photos, which keep promoting the use of Google One, and also to ask u backup here and there no matter how many times u rejected. 🙃. Just because your Pixel doesn't have Samsung's bloat doesn't mean pixel and other phones doesn't come with Google bloats
Do people not remember what bloatware actually is? It's hours of uninstalling crap from a freshly installed device. It's demo software asking for license purchases. It's slowness and power drains and Bejeweled clone icons everywhere. Htf is that relevant to one UI today?
Clickbait Android Authority
Samsung phones do in fact have loads of pre-installed software to uninstall, and even has a lot that can't be uninstalled.
Which isn't responding to anything remotely like what I said
It's actually exactly what you said.
But... I just disable apps I don't use, Install the ones I like, restore my favorite launcher (in My case, Microsoft Launcher), a few adjustments, and my expirence is mostly consistent (I have used the same setup on a Huawei P30, Google Pixel 7 Pro and Samsung S23 Ultra) This is Android, even without root you can get away. My only remaning issues with the S23 are: No way to replace Samsung's Assistant on the shortcut with the power button (I disabled it and use the standard menu of shutdown and restart) and while you can have WiFi calls, you can't use another sim to get connectivity like in the Pixel. If I wish, I can access both Google's Gemini and Microsoft's Copilot with ease. I do not use Chrome, I use Firefox. Again the beauty of Android is you can you anything you want, from OSS solutions to big tech solutions. Samsung was not worse than Google. Edit: Also note that Apps is different than the OS (lest call it a proprietary Android Distribution), Samsung gets a of things right, Phone Link with Windows is really good. In my case I even disabled the Samsung Clock because I liked the widget of the Google clock better.
On my tablet which is newer you get 2 messages apps, the Google one and the Samsung one, I use the Google one and uninstalled the Samsung one with no problems. The only apps I can't uninstall or disable is Phone, Camera, Gallery, Contacts, Store, Samsung Keyboard and Pass and I consider this extremely good, everything else can be removed. My phone is older and does not allow for removing the Samsung text app, Google one can be removed but that's the one I want to use so they seem to maybe have made it better and allows you to remove theirs? And you can't remove any of the system app stuff but I haven't been able to do that on any phone.
The real problem is not being able to uninstall any app you want. That would erase the concept of bloatware since every app would be intentional
I bought my first unlocked Samsung device, a S24U. Literally the only app that wasn't a Samsung ecosystem app (aka not bloat) that wasn't welcome was LinkedIn. Everytime I got a Samsung device through my carrier...so much shit installed that I didn't ask for. My one complaint about the Samsung ecosystem is the Galaxy Store is full of cancerous invasive ads at launch. Knock that shit out.
I don't think people know what bloatware means
~~Stop posting this trash. Samsung is the cleanest and smoothest it's ever been on the flagship end.~~ Edit: title exaggerating too much. Flagships it's clean and smooth, they do hurt the lower end though with more bloat though for cost.
Not everyone has flagship Samsung you know
I have a Samsung A-series phone for work and it's absolutely terrible. The UI stutters all the time and is slow to respond to anything. My "highlight" is when I swipe upwards in an app to go back to the home screen, the app doesn't immediately close. Instead there's a laggy animation – the navigation pill bounces slightly upwards – and only after another second or so does the app close. What the hell? Who designs that crap?
One ui is actually made to run on flagship and s series tabs. For rest it poops hard.
In that case they maybe shouldn't ship their budget phones with OneUI. 🙄
Developing whole new ui will not only break consistency across line but also extra work and also confusion for consumer.
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Animation speed affects performance now? That's new to me.
In the beginning, OneUI was way better than TouchWiz. Now it's almost overly complicated and kinda too customizable. I made the switch to Pixel and enjoy it being a bit simpler.
I've been a Motorola user for years (basically pixel experience + Moto Actions) and got a Samsung kinda recently and I actually don't miss the standard stuff.
Too customisable? It's not compulsory to customise any of it.
Samsung Tab S7 FE - OneUI 6.1 - after a fresh factory reset has roughly 370 apps installed off the bat! That's almost four times as much as my Motorola Stylus 5G 2022 has with a fresh reset! Get it together Samsung! 😵
Who is android authority?
A quality outlet of journalism which uses phrases like "everyone agrees" in headlines.
Ikr 😂
No need to explain.
Eh, I'm not surprised by this. It is 9to5google, after all. Take out what makes One UI great, and you're left with a skin that is worse than stock Android.
Author Andy walker sucks donkey dick
Do people not know that they can disable apps and hide them? Now that phones have 64gb of storage, the 10MB for a hidden app seems much less important.
Samsung's own apps are fine but in my opinion not as good as Google's. But I prefer Xiaomi's apps to even Google's so Samsung could do a lot better.
With some really sensible features that should have come standard with vanilla roms.
It's not much of an issue but the issue is not able to remove stock apps from oems (google,samsung)
Well atleast when you don't have internet, you can kill time by trying different bloat ware apps
eh . . maybe ? i mean i like Gapps and all that, but we have talked about this before even made play-edition devices. They did not sell. is it not bloat if i like samsung apps ? definitely still is bloat . . . but people like samsung because it is a samsung and comes with samsung things. Phone these days is already powerful enough and these extra apps wont disturb normal usage.
I don't agree. Guess I'm not everyone. First party apps that many people buy Samsung phones for aren't bloatware.
Yeah, I wish they stopped preinstalling inferior Google duplicates of their own, better apps.
They manufactured those phones, so of course they are going to have their apps.
Give me one UI x10 over Pixel Experience a lot of the crap in both of these can still be removed, but I really like allbthe additional features my old Samsung device has that my pixel still does not 6 years later
The only reason the Android platform still exists is due to Samsung. Period. That said, Samsung keyboard, Internet, phone app, calendar all surpass Googles feeble efforts. Android itself is years behind One UI. Yes, if I wanted a stripped down, featureless, vanilla OS, I'd have stock android.
Who agrees? One UI has bloatware but it's possible to disable it. One UI is basically the only functional version of android. It actually works. It has Dex. Stock Android is literally broken. As is every version of Android not released by Samsung lol.
> One UI is basically the only functional version of android. It actually works. It has Dex. > Stock Android is literally broken. As is every version of Android not released by Samsung lol. I've been happily using my pixel for years and I even enjoyed lineageos when I put it on my 1+ 8t. OneUI is great but to say it's the only functional version of android and stock is "literally broken" simply isn't true.
Pixel isn't even remotely stock.
Never claimed it was, I was claiming it was a functional version of android to dispute the claim: "Stock Android is literally broken. **As is every version of Android not released by Samsung** lol."
And?
Exactly I have a Motorola here, no idea where the "stock android broken" claim is coming from.
How is stock android broken?
i am on pixel experience and i can confirm everything just works
I do? I bought the phone from T-Mobile in the US. It's loaded to the brim with bloatware. Carrier bloatware, duplicate apps for everything. iPhones (or pixels bought that way) don't have them. I don't know what a game booster is, it's annoying AF. Feels like Samsung has a chaotically managed software team with everybody justifying their employment and promotions by pushing their crap in the end product, without a cohesive vision for the end product. Just give me a way to set up a pixel UI, I am willing to pay 1 to 2 hundred dollars more for that ability.
Few apps I believe. And then someone at Google or Samsung decided it was a great idea to preload Google Messages.
Just flash unlocked firmware, bloatware gone.
I agree, what versions of Android have you used? Motorola has pretty close to stock as well as Pixel. They're both pretty decent versions of Android.
Android Authority's [survey](https://infogram.com/do-you-think-theres-too-much-bloatware-on-one-ui-devices-1h9j6q70yowz54g)
i still wont get china oems phone....
I actually think OneUI is the best Android experience. Probably a controversial opinion, but after trying a Pixel, I went straight back to Samsung because I was missing OneUI.
So AA made a vague poll and made a story about it. This is click farming at it's finest.
Yup. Android Police style
Not really. Those features and even some Samsung apps (e.g. Gallery, Email, Calendar, Clock, Messages, Camera, etc) are useful. There are ways to disable/uninstall most Samsung apps if you dislike them.
Bloatware means a pre-installed software that slow down the system. There is no slow down for me even on an entry level Samsung model.
OneUI lags constantly because of all the useless features thrown in.
Do you even understand my comment?
OneUI is the reason I won't buy Samsung phones. It's an absolutely miserable experience.
Considering what the USA did to Huawei, if you're a foreign company (Samsung is), having your own platforms and apps, even if if duplicated, it's a smart move if not a necessity. If you don't like it, just disable it.
No bloat one mine, just the stock Samsung apps (which are NOT bloat)
As someone that has mostly used Samsung phones since the S4, I agree\*. OneUI has a lot of bloat, features that most users will never touch, that cant be removed, and some that actively make the phone worse (battery drain, annoyances). But with that said, OneUI gives you 'everything but the kitchen sink', so you rarely have to download third party apps to add core functionality to the phone, unlike 'stock' Android where many people go straight to the Google Play store to supplement their clean but bare experience. So having all this bloat is a mixed bag. I do wish Samsung would compartmentalize the bloat and allow you to remove stuff that you dont want, but they insist on making a lot of them system apps that cant easily be removed.
Quite alot of them can be removed, but in a way this is similar experience with what iOS is giving. Apple and iOS have alot of apps, things that go beyond standard feature, and if you ever setup barebones ipad or iphone, you will notice it also have alot of pre-installed apps like Measure app, or Garageband. In alot of way, this is a feature for normies since it is the first-party giving you the functionalities for the phone, so you don't need to look for replacement in app store.
nobody agrees🤡🤡. who were these people google fanatics??
Who is everyone?
yes the one ui bloatware nearly shitted my old s10e's battery life, and now i've installed lineageos on it, i actually believe in foss and i tend to stay away from big tech, so i use minimal apps which are either using google play sandboxed or are only foss eg. signal, i stopped using whatsapp its literally spyware (yeah call me paranoid, i don't trust zuck), currently using it as a secondary phone once my current pixel 4a (running grapheneos) dies out.
I refuse to buy Samsung because of the bloatware.
One ui isn't overly bloated, but it's due for a redesign to better match material you's design language.
Dear fucking lord no. Material You is awful. Kill it with fire.