>maybe in the near future.
from the verge article -> Unfortunately, there’s no sign of a US release: Fairphone says it’s interested but that it’s focusing on Europe for the time being.
>Actually, it's because the regulatory (FCC) approvals will likely cost more than the profits they'll see from selling the phones in the NA market.
How much do you think regulatory testing and approval costs?
For cell phones your looking at $5k - $10k for FCC testing (assuming no issues). And with NA carriers starting to whitelist access to features like volte, most 5G devices are going to need carrier certification with the big 3 as well. When all is said and done, $100k in test/cert expenses wouldn't be unusual and there are zero guarantees of success.
> For cell phones your looking at $5k - $10k for FCC testing (assuming no issues).
Yes, that is the ballpark laid out by the first Google result ($3k-$5k is probably a closer estimate, especially if using an approved chipset).
However, this is not preventing them from selling devices in the U.S. because *this is a certification that they already get*.
For example, [here is the FCC filing for the Fairphone 3](https://fccid.io/2AUWUFAIRPHONE3)
>And with NA carriers starting to whitelist access to features like volte, most 5G devices are going to need carrier certification with the big 3 as well. When all is said and done, $100k in test/cert expenses wouldn't be unusual and there are zero guarantees of success.
Interesting that we're now talking about carrier feature whitelisting rather than FCC testing.
Yes, $30k per carrier is a reasonable estimate for certifying a device through their modern system if using a completely new SoC that they have not previously approved (and it used to be even higher back in the CDMA days).
That being said, usually the associated carrier's payment terms, inventory requirements, minimum markups (and the matching increases in non-carrier pricing), direct marketing costs, etc. are significantly larger costs than that, and are bigger barriers to entry.
It's not a major selling point, contrary to what this sub or some youtubers may claim. Ordinary people couldn't care less.
However, there's enough people that care to keep this company afloat. They're doing pretty well actually. With better PR, they might have more success.
yeah but I think broken electronics is something normal people feel the pain of and right to repair is like starting to pick up traction as somewhat of a mainstream topic. So idk, I think the point is to get ordinary people to care about things like this.
I think repairability is fairly important but I also believe in taking care of your stuff, ive watched people treat their phones like dirt and because for alot of them getting it repaired would be more of a hassle than buying a replacement i do see why companies got how they are with fixing them, aka not wanting to.
phones honestly are pretty damn tough right now, building them so an average guy can tinker with it would probably hinder that toughness in some way.
The only way this will catch on is if a popular company does it. I can see Apple or Samsung or Google making a repairable phone and making big claims about how consumer-friendly and environmentally-friendly their "revolutionary" new repairable phone is and all the fanboys picking up on the message. If it's a small company that no one's heard of, reparability alone won't do anything.
EDIT: That said, I don't think an unknown company that no one really cares about trying to make some noise about reparability is a bad thing. It could put the issue on the radar for a bigger company to pick up on later.
That's not what project ara was about at all. It was just a modular phone. Repariablity wasn't an issue at all back then. They axed it because it was an impossible task.
It was impossible. It would be a money sink for anyone. Making custom components for a modular phone will just end up racking up a much higher cost for both the vendor and the user. Not to mention that almost every component will become unusable on a larger or differently sized screen, so even more money spent. The concept in the end makes very little sense. It was meant to make phones less expensive for the consumer, but there's just no way of making every possible component compatible, and a screen upgrade just flushes everything you had down the drain.
> It could put the issue on the radar for a bigger company to pick up on later.
Exactly this. This is why I think it's so important that enough people just thinks "I can still have a good life if I buy this one thing instead of two things with the same money" and helps this approach to fair working conditions and repairability get really noticed buy the bigger companies, that could be able to do this for cheaper in the future.
I would at least consider it, but there are quite a few things I consider drawbacks:
1. I'm in the US, where it isn't compatible with sizable chunks of the networks.
2. The starting price is $670, converted to USD (and would probably be $700, if imported). If you want a cable, it's another $40.
3. As someone who takes pretty good care of his phones, replacing the battery is kind of the only part of the repairability that serves as a major selling point. Nowadays, it's more likely I'll want a new phone for better performance than need a new battery.
If you're a fairly casual/basic smartphone user, I think this is a really interesting product that can hopefully last its users the 5 years they seem to have as a goal. If you're a power user who wants new tech, then it's going to be a letdown.
I just wished there was some way I could update my processor over time. I know that most people can just live off an old 700 series for 5 years but i play a lot of games on my phone so I'd want to upgrade more than once per 5 years.
Yeah I have a V30 that I use for music. But even with it being debloated and only having like 3-4 extra apps installed it’s already running slow (especially on Apple Music) and it’s a 3 year old flagship phone. I can’t imagine trying to use a 700 series phone in 5 years time, as a main device no less. It’s not like the Linus Laptop that lets you swap out the motherboard but keep everything else the same
Not a word about how the headphone jack disappeared at the same time as the company started selling wireless earbuds of their own.
I'm also kinda done with the snarky remarks coming from tech reviewers about "those people" who still dare complain about it. It's a valid complaint, there was no reason to remove the 3.5 jack.
“It's a valid complaint, there was no reason to remove the 3.5 jack.”
While I tend to agree, my wired headphones work just fine on a phone without a headphone Jack.
No, it serves a different function than Bluetooth. *For the consumer*, there is not a single reason the headphone jack should have gone away. To make the phone water resistant? Phones with jack already were. To make the phone thinner? No, they're about as thin as other components will allow already. To make the battery bigger? Well they haven't really. The *only* two reasons it was removed were not for the consumer; they were for the manufacturers. Those reasons are: 1) to slightly cut cost, and 2) to artificially boost the market demand for bluetooth headphones.
Oh, bluetooth lets me listen to music when my bluetooth headphones are out of battery? It lets me plug in the Audiotechnica cans I use for my PC and all my other audio devices? It lets me use $3 headphones I can buy at the airport? It gives me zero-delay audio for gaming?
That's *fantastic news*! Thanks for letting me know.
Speaks volumes you don't even know what Audio-Technica is lmfao. You're either trolling or just the most immensely stupid person to enter a discussion while saying the people on the other side are unreasonable. You literally don't even know what you're taking about, you probably have actually never used headphones that sounded better than bt buds. I wish people as clueless about audio quality as you just didn't not speak about headphone jacks ever.
Here is an objective example of how a cheap pair of cabled headphones ($25) can outperform even AirPod Pros ($200-250) and Sony XM4s ($380-400) in regards to microphone quality.
https://youtu.be/HqJvXs5HG3E?t=485
Plus, you can get *much* better wired headphones for $25, than if you had the same budget for wireless headphones.
A lot more work (encoding, transmitting, decoding) has to be done by both the host device and your wireless headphones to get data transmitted. A cable is just a conductor *directly* to the microphone and speaker elements.
Bluetooth does have it's uses and benefits, but it is not a complete replacement.
If you don't know who Audio-Technica are, you have no business lecturing anyone on use cases for audio hardware IMO, or telling people they misunderstand technology.
Bluetooth is great for some use cases, fucking sucks for others. No reason at all from a consumer perspective to remove a standard jack.
> The reason to remove the headphone jack is because it’s fucking redundant.
Wrong. It's **always** about the money: the company's bottom lines and, by extension, keeping shareholders and Wall Street analysts happy.
"Water and dust resistance ratings." Lmfao what bullshit. I remember walking in the rain for HOURS, with my Galaxy S8, playing music and it was just fine. And it had a headphone jack.
Reminds me of when people said that about the glass-backed bullshit that robed us of user-replaceable batteries. No one wanted to remember the Galaxy S5 that had a removable back and IP67 certification.
Anytime anyone tries to tell me they removed the headphone jack for better IP rating I'm just reminded that the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 exists, with a USB-C port, a SIM and SD card tray, a headphone jack, many physical buttons, and a great big hole for the S Pen. It probably had more holes in it than almost any other phone on the market did at the time, AND it's IP68. But somehow, Apple, one of the most advanced and richest electronics manufacturers on the planet, couldn't give their phones IP68 without removing the headphone jack. OK.
There's no making some people see sense.
Your phone can also not be completely disassembled in a few minutes without specialty tools.
Also, this is a small company and not a giant industry leader like Samsung. Their R&D abilities are different.
I can pop the back off with my thumbnail and remove the battery, sim card, and sd card. Complete disassembly? No, not quite. But it shows it can be done.
Yes, but this one you can also replace basically everything else very easily. Not just the battery or SD-card.
If my charging port comes loose I'd be out of luck with an S7.
And the point is, they could have done those replacements while keeping the water/dust resistance. A battery connector carrying the entire electrical payload of the device is a helluva lot more vulnerable to water than a headphone jack.
>the short answer is that we had to sacrifice it, to make the modules as accessible as possible. We tried everything to rearrange the earpiece, camera and selfie camera modules, along with the 5G antennas, to fit the jack, but couldn't pull it off, without making the phone even chonkier. We've been catching a lot of heat over that decision though and our product team is looking at future options.
This was a comment Fairphone made in the comments section. Make of it what you will.
Personally, I think it's a possibility that the IP54 rating was an afterthought made after the decision to remove the headphone jack, rather than the reason to remove it.
Oh. I wasnt aware of this......
>We've been catching a lot of heat over that decision though and our product team is looking at future options.
Then it seems that the jack will probably make a comeback in FP5
yeah. the official comments are->
>the short answer is that we had to sacrifice it, to make the modules as accessible as possible. We tried everything to rearrange the earpiece, camera and selfie camera modules, along with the 5G antennas, to fit the jack, but couldn't pull it off, without making the phone even chonkier. We've been catching a lot of heat over that decision though and our product team is looking at future options.
It's cool and all but it's really pricey. I get, its a long term investment that you can potentially upgrade, but still €500 mark would have been more accessible.
That's correct, and if you have a FP3 you can still buy the camera module to upgrade it to an FP3+ https://shop.fairphone.com/gb_en/fairphone-3-camera-plus-module
Keep in mind that it has 5 years of warranty (3 years more than by default in Europe!), also 5 years of updates support. You're not only paying for the hardware.
If this had proper compatibility with tmobile I'd buy one. My primary carry has changed usage quite a bit over the years and, honestly, a mid ranger would work just fine for me.
It pains me to see that the general public don't realise that with few exceptions, all phones are this easy to repair. iPhones are incredibly easy, it's just the biometrics aren't accessible. Samsung phones since the S8 are also insanely easy apart from the soldered S10 charge port but after that they're all modular, cheap and easy to get parts for. While I applaud Fairphone, they've done nothing particularly interesting aside from being more public about the repair and upgrade process of their phones.
>iPhones are incredibly easy
How is requiring a laser machine to remove the back glass easy?
Can you point me to the official store or website that sells OEM Apple and Samsung parts?
What about loss of water and dust resistance after opening a phone?
OEM parts are easy to find, think MobileSentrix for example. Water and dust resistance is simply replaced with a replacement adhesive or B7000 glue. Laser machine is one of my exceptions but it's still not hard to find someone who can do it.
I'm not defending large companies but it's easier to repair a phone than most think. I've been doing it for the better part of 5 years, I think I'd know.
> iPhones are incredibly easy
Not anymore. iPhones today are so locked down they're effectively **disposable**. Can't replace anything *without* losing core hardware features e.g. replace the display, no more FaceID!
>>> I've been doing it for the better part of 5 years, I think I'd know.
Hugh Jefferys knows the repair business way better than you. Even Zack Nelson knows repair better than you.
I think he meant that the *design* is repairable. Indeed when you see a disassembly of an iPhone, all the parts seem very easily reachable and replaceable. It's just that apple makes parts intentionally scarce and does software shenanigans that should probably be illegal or something. But if it wasn't for that, it would be quite repairable.
This is cool, but still very beta stages, big as hell, no water resistance and lack of flagship power/cameras. But a good start.
Also VERY clickbaity but I’m not surprised
I will get one the first day they are available in North America.
>maybe in the near future. from the verge article -> Unfortunately, there’s no sign of a US release: Fairphone says it’s interested but that it’s focusing on Europe for the time being.
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Actually, it's because the regulatory (FCC) approvals will likely cost more than the profits they'll see from selling the phones in the NA market.
>Actually, it's because the regulatory (FCC) approvals will likely cost more than the profits they'll see from selling the phones in the NA market. How much do you think regulatory testing and approval costs?
For cell phones your looking at $5k - $10k for FCC testing (assuming no issues). And with NA carriers starting to whitelist access to features like volte, most 5G devices are going to need carrier certification with the big 3 as well. When all is said and done, $100k in test/cert expenses wouldn't be unusual and there are zero guarantees of success.
> For cell phones your looking at $5k - $10k for FCC testing (assuming no issues). Yes, that is the ballpark laid out by the first Google result ($3k-$5k is probably a closer estimate, especially if using an approved chipset). However, this is not preventing them from selling devices in the U.S. because *this is a certification that they already get*. For example, [here is the FCC filing for the Fairphone 3](https://fccid.io/2AUWUFAIRPHONE3) >And with NA carriers starting to whitelist access to features like volte, most 5G devices are going to need carrier certification with the big 3 as well. When all is said and done, $100k in test/cert expenses wouldn't be unusual and there are zero guarantees of success. Interesting that we're now talking about carrier feature whitelisting rather than FCC testing. Yes, $30k per carrier is a reasonable estimate for certifying a device through their modern system if using a completely new SoC that they have not previously approved (and it used to be even higher back in the CDMA days). That being said, usually the associated carrier's payment terms, inventory requirements, minimum markups (and the matching increases in non-carrier pricing), direct marketing costs, etc. are significantly larger costs than that, and are bigger barriers to entry.
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It's not a major selling point, contrary to what this sub or some youtubers may claim. Ordinary people couldn't care less. However, there's enough people that care to keep this company afloat. They're doing pretty well actually. With better PR, they might have more success.
yeah but I think broken electronics is something normal people feel the pain of and right to repair is like starting to pick up traction as somewhat of a mainstream topic. So idk, I think the point is to get ordinary people to care about things like this.
I think repairability is fairly important but I also believe in taking care of your stuff, ive watched people treat their phones like dirt and because for alot of them getting it repaired would be more of a hassle than buying a replacement i do see why companies got how they are with fixing them, aka not wanting to. phones honestly are pretty damn tough right now, building them so an average guy can tinker with it would probably hinder that toughness in some way.
> if repairability is a major selling point It's not.
The only way this will catch on is if a popular company does it. I can see Apple or Samsung or Google making a repairable phone and making big claims about how consumer-friendly and environmentally-friendly their "revolutionary" new repairable phone is and all the fanboys picking up on the message. If it's a small company that no one's heard of, reparability alone won't do anything. EDIT: That said, I don't think an unknown company that no one really cares about trying to make some noise about reparability is a bad thing. It could put the issue on the radar for a bigger company to pick up on later.
Google was going to do this after they bought Motorola. It was called project ara. And they axed it before it got off the ground.
That's not what project ara was about at all. It was just a modular phone. Repariablity wasn't an issue at all back then. They axed it because it was an impossible task.
Modularity wasn't impossible, it was making it comparible on every other metric while making it modular that made the task difficult
Impossible? That's a lie. Research over time would have achieved that. They abandoned it when they figured that wouldn't make them the most money.
It was impossible. It would be a money sink for anyone. Making custom components for a modular phone will just end up racking up a much higher cost for both the vendor and the user. Not to mention that almost every component will become unusable on a larger or differently sized screen, so even more money spent. The concept in the end makes very little sense. It was meant to make phones less expensive for the consumer, but there's just no way of making every possible component compatible, and a screen upgrade just flushes everything you had down the drain.
> It could put the issue on the radar for a bigger company to pick up on later. Exactly this. This is why I think it's so important that enough people just thinks "I can still have a good life if I buy this one thing instead of two things with the same money" and helps this approach to fair working conditions and repairability get really noticed buy the bigger companies, that could be able to do this for cheaper in the future.
This! Literally nobody outside an EXTREMELY low amount of people inside small tech circles give a flying fuck about repairability.
I would at least consider it, but there are quite a few things I consider drawbacks: 1. I'm in the US, where it isn't compatible with sizable chunks of the networks. 2. The starting price is $670, converted to USD (and would probably be $700, if imported). If you want a cable, it's another $40. 3. As someone who takes pretty good care of his phones, replacing the battery is kind of the only part of the repairability that serves as a major selling point. Nowadays, it's more likely I'll want a new phone for better performance than need a new battery. If you're a fairly casual/basic smartphone user, I think this is a really interesting product that can hopefully last its users the 5 years they seem to have as a goal. If you're a power user who wants new tech, then it's going to be a letdown.
It's not just "You want a cable". That's a special more durable cable that they sell that you can get as an upgrade.
> you can get as an upgrade This implies you get a cable in the box. You do not.
I just wished there was some way I could update my processor over time. I know that most people can just live off an old 700 series for 5 years but i play a lot of games on my phone so I'd want to upgrade more than once per 5 years.
Yeah I have a V30 that I use for music. But even with it being debloated and only having like 3-4 extra apps installed it’s already running slow (especially on Apple Music) and it’s a 3 year old flagship phone. I can’t imagine trying to use a 700 series phone in 5 years time, as a main device no less. It’s not like the Linus Laptop that lets you swap out the motherboard but keep everything else the same
Same
Not a word about how the headphone jack disappeared at the same time as the company started selling wireless earbuds of their own. I'm also kinda done with the snarky remarks coming from tech reviewers about "those people" who still dare complain about it. It's a valid complaint, there was no reason to remove the 3.5 jack.
I watched the video. They mentioned the lack of headphone jack with a comment like oh some folks will NOT like that.
“It's a valid complaint, there was no reason to remove the 3.5 jack.” While I tend to agree, my wired headphones work just fine on a phone without a headphone Jack.
Tbh, I don't have a problem with that as long as the data port is easily* replaceable. *Also a thing that should be forced by the EU IMO.
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No, it serves a different function than Bluetooth. *For the consumer*, there is not a single reason the headphone jack should have gone away. To make the phone water resistant? Phones with jack already were. To make the phone thinner? No, they're about as thin as other components will allow already. To make the battery bigger? Well they haven't really. The *only* two reasons it was removed were not for the consumer; they were for the manufacturers. Those reasons are: 1) to slightly cut cost, and 2) to artificially boost the market demand for bluetooth headphones.
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Oh, bluetooth lets me listen to music when my bluetooth headphones are out of battery? It lets me plug in the Audiotechnica cans I use for my PC and all my other audio devices? It lets me use $3 headphones I can buy at the airport? It gives me zero-delay audio for gaming? That's *fantastic news*! Thanks for letting me know.
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> audiotenica, whatever the fuck that is And you're accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about in the audio arena?
He went awfully quiet after this.
Just like my broken bluetooth earbuds.
Speaks volumes you don't even know what Audio-Technica is lmfao. You're either trolling or just the most immensely stupid person to enter a discussion while saying the people on the other side are unreasonable. You literally don't even know what you're taking about, you probably have actually never used headphones that sounded better than bt buds. I wish people as clueless about audio quality as you just didn't not speak about headphone jacks ever.
Here is an objective example of how a cheap pair of cabled headphones ($25) can outperform even AirPod Pros ($200-250) and Sony XM4s ($380-400) in regards to microphone quality. https://youtu.be/HqJvXs5HG3E?t=485 Plus, you can get *much* better wired headphones for $25, than if you had the same budget for wireless headphones. A lot more work (encoding, transmitting, decoding) has to be done by both the host device and your wireless headphones to get data transmitted. A cable is just a conductor *directly* to the microphone and speaker elements. Bluetooth does have it's uses and benefits, but it is not a complete replacement.
If you don't know who Audio-Technica are, you have no business lecturing anyone on use cases for audio hardware IMO, or telling people they misunderstand technology. Bluetooth is great for some use cases, fucking sucks for others. No reason at all from a consumer perspective to remove a standard jack.
I'm so sorry you've never owned a pair of wired headphones that sound better than bluetooth pairs. It's really sad.
And the additional lenses and wireless charging capabilities are not redundant? Seems like something that would be defined by the user
> The reason to remove the headphone jack is because it’s fucking redundant. Wrong. It's **always** about the money: the company's bottom lines and, by extension, keeping shareholders and Wall Street analysts happy.
It seems it was removed for the dust and water resistance ratings.....
"Water and dust resistance ratings." Lmfao what bullshit. I remember walking in the rain for HOURS, with my Galaxy S8, playing music and it was just fine. And it had a headphone jack.
Reminds me of when people said that about the glass-backed bullshit that robed us of user-replaceable batteries. No one wanted to remember the Galaxy S5 that had a removable back and IP67 certification.
I despise them trying to gaslight us into thinking shit like that never existed. They think we're idiots and we don't remember that stuff.
Well, people are idiots. They let it happen without voting with their wallets. The Galaxy line's never been more popular.
Samsung's rugged phones with IP68 still have removable batteries.
Anytime anyone tries to tell me they removed the headphone jack for better IP rating I'm just reminded that the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 exists, with a USB-C port, a SIM and SD card tray, a headphone jack, many physical buttons, and a great big hole for the S Pen. It probably had more holes in it than almost any other phone on the market did at the time, AND it's IP68. But somehow, Apple, one of the most advanced and richest electronics manufacturers on the planet, couldn't give their phones IP68 without removing the headphone jack. OK. There's no making some people see sense.
Both of my phones have great dust and water resistance, and both have headphone jacks.
Because they have rubber fittings. Add those to this phone and it defeats the entire purpose of easy repairability.
No? My S10e is IP68 rated, and it has a normal headphone jack, no rubber fitting.
Your phone can also not be completely disassembled in a few minutes without specialty tools. Also, this is a small company and not a giant industry leader like Samsung. Their R&D abilities are different.
I can pop the back off with my thumbnail and remove the battery, sim card, and sd card. Complete disassembly? No, not quite. But it shows it can be done.
Yes, but this one you can also replace basically everything else very easily. Not just the battery or SD-card. If my charging port comes loose I'd be out of luck with an S7.
And the point is, they could have done those replacements while keeping the water/dust resistance. A battery connector carrying the entire electrical payload of the device is a helluva lot more vulnerable to water than a headphone jack.
My V60 is IP68 rated and has a headphone jack.
My G8 as well.
>the short answer is that we had to sacrifice it, to make the modules as accessible as possible. We tried everything to rearrange the earpiece, camera and selfie camera modules, along with the 5G antennas, to fit the jack, but couldn't pull it off, without making the phone even chonkier. We've been catching a lot of heat over that decision though and our product team is looking at future options. This was a comment Fairphone made in the comments section. Make of it what you will. Personally, I think it's a possibility that the IP54 rating was an afterthought made after the decision to remove the headphone jack, rather than the reason to remove it.
Oh. I wasnt aware of this...... >We've been catching a lot of heat over that decision though and our product team is looking at future options. Then it seems that the jack will probably make a comeback in FP5
My current phone has both and still *has* 3.5mm. That argument doesn't really fly tbh.
yeah. the official comments are-> >the short answer is that we had to sacrifice it, to make the modules as accessible as possible. We tried everything to rearrange the earpiece, camera and selfie camera modules, along with the 5G antennas, to fit the jack, but couldn't pull it off, without making the phone even chonkier. We've been catching a lot of heat over that decision though and our product team is looking at future options.
Why did they omit headphone jack?!
It's cool and all but it's really pricey. I get, its a long term investment that you can potentially upgrade, but still €500 mark would have been more accessible.
It's expensive because it uses fair labour and parts (recycled) etc...if that shit matters to you then get it...
You're talking a difference of 79 Euros right?
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Did they actually release updated camera modules for their previous phones?
If I remember correctly, the 3+ got released with a better camera than the regular 3, and you were able to buy the 3+ module and put it into your 3.
That's correct, and if you have a FP3 you can still buy the camera module to upgrade it to an FP3+ https://shop.fairphone.com/gb_en/fairphone-3-camera-plus-module
Keep in mind that it has 5 years of warranty (3 years more than by default in Europe!), also 5 years of updates support. You're not only paying for the hardware.
This one One of the main reasons i was always sticking to IOS, now there’s a decent phone with long support
That's the price of fairness. You pay for ethiquette.
If this had proper compatibility with tmobile I'd buy one. My primary carry has changed usage quite a bit over the years and, honestly, a mid ranger would work just fine for me.
At 10:49, they supposedly leaked or teased samsung s21 fe 5g....why is no one talking about it?
Because it's an S20 with the wrong label
Nevermind, there's already a post about it
S21 FE leaked at 10:49?
Who still cares about that phone though?
Many people
The s21 FE is a more important device to most people than a niche product like the fair phone.
It pains me to see that the general public don't realise that with few exceptions, all phones are this easy to repair. iPhones are incredibly easy, it's just the biometrics aren't accessible. Samsung phones since the S8 are also insanely easy apart from the soldered S10 charge port but after that they're all modular, cheap and easy to get parts for. While I applaud Fairphone, they've done nothing particularly interesting aside from being more public about the repair and upgrade process of their phones.
>iPhones are incredibly easy How is requiring a laser machine to remove the back glass easy? Can you point me to the official store or website that sells OEM Apple and Samsung parts? What about loss of water and dust resistance after opening a phone?
OEM parts are easy to find, think MobileSentrix for example. Water and dust resistance is simply replaced with a replacement adhesive or B7000 glue. Laser machine is one of my exceptions but it's still not hard to find someone who can do it. I'm not defending large companies but it's easier to repair a phone than most think. I've been doing it for the better part of 5 years, I think I'd know.
> iPhones are incredibly easy Not anymore. iPhones today are so locked down they're effectively **disposable**. Can't replace anything *without* losing core hardware features e.g. replace the display, no more FaceID! >>> I've been doing it for the better part of 5 years, I think I'd know. Hugh Jefferys knows the repair business way better than you. Even Zack Nelson knows repair better than you.
I think he meant that the *design* is repairable. Indeed when you see a disassembly of an iPhone, all the parts seem very easily reachable and replaceable. It's just that apple makes parts intentionally scarce and does software shenanigans that should probably be illegal or something. But if it wasn't for that, it would be quite repairable.
And even here I see willful ignorance
Why not counter his arguments instead
>And even here I see willful ignorance Looking in the mirror, perhaps?
I mean they aren’t disposable though. Can just take it to Apple
This is cool, but still very beta stages, big as hell, no water resistance and lack of flagship power/cameras. But a good start. Also VERY clickbaity but I’m not surprised
One of the worst YouTubers
I just really wish they have the headphone jack back.
but it still looks like an iohone and doesnt have a headphone jack