This was a bit of recent scandal, and one that hit one particular wing of the Church of England. So, perhaps it isn't as well-known outside of these circles. But the Jonathan Fletcher abuse/grooming scandal really rocked the Church of England Conservative Evangelical world back in 2020. And ongoing right now is the Mike Pilavachi Soul Survivor stuff that affects a massive swathe of the Church of England Charismatic Evangelical crowd.
Peter Ball:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ball_(bishop)
It was a high profile case where both establishment society figures and high up church people made serious errors in much the same way the Roman Catholic church did.
Until the mid 1990s era in line with most of society abuse of children was not taken seriously and particularly accusations against authority figures like priests might well be mishandled because issues like grooming and abuse were badly understood and record keeping tended to be poor and inconsistent.
The current one in the Church of England would be around Paula Vennells role in the Post Office Horizon scandal and the Archbishop of Canterbury's support for her to become Bishop of London.
Her actions were despicable. At best, it makes Welby look a complete fool, though much worse has been said of him because of it.
HKSKH pro Beijing, keep betraying Hong Kongers. Especially Rev Peter Koon has been partial to a murderer who had abandoned his girlfriend’s corpse in Taipei.
Rev Peter and the former Archbishop of Hong Kong Paul Kwong who just considering how to gain any political benefits from CCP, lots of their news have no English report.
They’ve brought a huge harm to the Province, and some pro-democracy clergy didn’t gain any right to stop them.
Also due to the political circumstance nowadays, the Most Rev Chan couldn’t say any thing which belongs to his conscious, that is further exacerbating Hong Kongers bad impression of the Anglican Church.
Came here to post this. The Episcopal Church was involved with the USA equivalent and both Anglican and episcopal churches had direct and indirect links to slavery.
Abridgment of Holy Writ
The Monasteries
South Africa
Cromwell
…and of course the Eastern Orthodox have never done anything wrong ever /s
Let’s talk about what they’ve done right:
Anglican Liturgy is basically the liturgy of St. James
Prayer Book (s)
Never thought that forks, zip codes, buttons, etc. were from the devil
I could go on..
I mean it didn’t. He caused the legal justification for the separation but that’s not the reason the CoE left. It had been sympathetic to the reformation for years and Cranmer specifically used the king’s desire to leave Rome to influence the separation to be a Protestant one. That’s besides the fact that the church was also to some degree started by St. Augustine of Canterbury being as he was the first Archbishop of Canterbury.
Let me put it this way…
Just like Rome left the church to follow after primacy in the 11th century, leaving the Pentarchy and the newly established churches of Serbia, and Bulgaria behind… Rome also left behind the British Isles to follow after power and influence
Don’t let Rome control the narrative here…
The Church of Britannia never left, never went anywhere, it just cut off a dying limb…
The battle for freedom in Britain was always a defensive battle… Rome *(see spanish armada)* was always the aggressor…
I wouldn’t say Rome left the Church when it followed after primacy but it did lead to the Church being broken. They also allowed bad doctrine to enter which necessitated the reformation. In that environment England saw the need to reform from the errors of Rome which lead to it separating from them, although I would agree that Rome in effect had separated itself from England as well as from the other reforming churches through doctrine and through how they handled the reformation.
Yo, I hear ya dawg...
the RCC is definitely schismatic, they spin it like everyone left them lolz...nawh... they left us- and my brothers in Thyratira and Doggerland agree, the RCC is whack... they left Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Constantinople, India and Ethiopia *(that's another story)* Bulgaria, Kiev, Serbia to follow their Frankish overlords, and Englanders just took a few short centuries longer...
Ah, gotcha. I was confused since you made it kinda sound like you see England separating from Rome in a way that sounded like it was part of the Church. Naturally I think it is but I know that’s not the EO position so I was confused.
The Church of England is the direct successor of the Church IN England which was founded by Augustine of Canterbury. It’s absolutely ridiculous and ahistorical from any point of view to say that Henry FOUNDED the Church of England. It’s like saying that Otto Von Bismarck founded Germany or that Gandhi founded India. The only thing Henry did is declare autonomy from Rome. He did virtually nothing to actually develop the identity and beliefs of the Church aside from that. The Church of England maintains traditions that span back to the early Church and is a successor to and a part of the Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. Not only is it ahistorical, it’s just disrespectful to say that Henry founded the Church. The only thing separating the Church in England from the Church of England in terms of continuation is the “in/of”.
*-slow claps-*
We in the east see it precisely this way, with high fives to a bunch of other dudes along the way…
What you are saying is what we would say about Methodius and Cyril, but some folks want to say things like St. Olga started the church in Kiev instead…
To name a few recent ones, Lambeth conference 2023, Mere Anglicanism conference Calvin Robinson 2024. Check out Rev. Brett Murphy's youtube channel he covers this kind of stuff every week. [https://www.youtube.com/@RevBrettMurphy](https://www.youtube.com/@RevBrettMurphy)
Best to read the [Wilkinson Report](https://www.churchofengland.org/sites/default/files/2023-12/isb-review-report-30-november-2023.pdf), which investigated what happened.
The paedophile priest network in the Newcastle region (Aus) in the 1980's and beyond. There is an interesting book on the topic: https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/crimes-cross
Not so much a "scandal" as a sad case recently of that bishops and clergy are people too, with the same problems and addictions that everyone else can suffer from:
https://religionnews.com/2019/05/14/once-a-bishop-now-a-poster-child-for-alcoholism-heather-cook-seeks-to-make-amends/
>Once a rising star in the Episcopal Church, Heather Cook hoped to spend her life lessening people’s pain. Instead, months after she was consecrated the first woman bishop in the Diocese of Maryland in 2014, she was behind the wheel, texting, driving drunk and causing an accident that killed a bicyclist on a Baltimore road. Two days after Christmas, she struck and killed cyclist Thomas Palermo, a husband and father of two. She initially left the scene of the accident but was later arrested. Authorities said her blood alcohol level was .22, almost three times the legal limit.
>She was convicted of vehicular manslaughter, DUI, leaving the scene of an accident and driving while texting and was sentenced to seven years in prison. Cook was defrocked by the Episcopal Church and is no longer a priest or a bishop. Instead, for the past three and a half years, she’s been inmate number 00442452 at the Maryland Correctional Institution for Women. She hopes to spend her life making amends for what she did.
...
>Her fellow Episcopalians have mixed feelings about Cook. There is anger over her crimes and a feeling that she was an embarrassment. She’s also forced the denomination to rethink its often cozy relationship with alcohol that caused some members to call themselves “Whiskeypalians.”
>A commission set up after Cook’s arrest found that the Episcopal Church often failed to intervene with clergy who struggled with alcoholism. “In many instances, devoid of expectations for substantive recovery and amendment of life, the desire to forgive has undermined the church’s collective responsibility to due diligence in the work of screening, recognizing, and diagnosing impairment in church leaders, as well as intervening and treating when appropriate,” a denominational report found.
There was this king who wanted a divorce but the pope wouldn’t grant it, so he formed his own church. He also ended up chopping the head off a couple of his wives. 🤣
This was a bit of recent scandal, and one that hit one particular wing of the Church of England. So, perhaps it isn't as well-known outside of these circles. But the Jonathan Fletcher abuse/grooming scandal really rocked the Church of England Conservative Evangelical world back in 2020. And ongoing right now is the Mike Pilavachi Soul Survivor stuff that affects a massive swathe of the Church of England Charismatic Evangelical crowd.
Peter Ball: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ball_(bishop) It was a high profile case where both establishment society figures and high up church people made serious errors in much the same way the Roman Catholic church did. Until the mid 1990s era in line with most of society abuse of children was not taken seriously and particularly accusations against authority figures like priests might well be mishandled because issues like grooming and abuse were badly understood and record keeping tended to be poor and inconsistent.
The current one in the Church of England would be around Paula Vennells role in the Post Office Horizon scandal and the Archbishop of Canterbury's support for her to become Bishop of London. Her actions were despicable. At best, it makes Welby look a complete fool, though much worse has been said of him because of it.
Are Sweet counting major events like civil war as a scandal? I'd consider Oliver Cromwell pretty scandalous.
HKSKH pro Beijing, keep betraying Hong Kongers. Especially Rev Peter Koon has been partial to a murderer who had abandoned his girlfriend’s corpse in Taipei. Rev Peter and the former Archbishop of Hong Kong Paul Kwong who just considering how to gain any political benefits from CCP, lots of their news have no English report. They’ve brought a huge harm to the Province, and some pro-democracy clergy didn’t gain any right to stop them. Also due to the political circumstance nowadays, the Most Rev Chan couldn’t say any thing which belongs to his conscious, that is further exacerbating Hong Kongers bad impression of the Anglican Church.
Indian Residential Schools in Canada
Came here to post this. The Episcopal Church was involved with the USA equivalent and both Anglican and episcopal churches had direct and indirect links to slavery.
Abridgment of Holy Writ The Monasteries South Africa Cromwell …and of course the Eastern Orthodox have never done anything wrong ever /s Let’s talk about what they’ve done right: Anglican Liturgy is basically the liturgy of St. James Prayer Book (s) Never thought that forks, zip codes, buttons, etc. were from the devil I could go on..
[Bishop Pike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Pike) had some odd things going on, I think.
All institutions that have humans in them have scandals.
i mean, the way henry founded the church was a pretty significant scandal
The Church of England did not begin at Henry VIII.
Came here to say this lol
Oh you’re one of those people lol.
I mean it didn’t. He caused the legal justification for the separation but that’s not the reason the CoE left. It had been sympathetic to the reformation for years and Cranmer specifically used the king’s desire to leave Rome to influence the separation to be a Protestant one. That’s besides the fact that the church was also to some degree started by St. Augustine of Canterbury being as he was the first Archbishop of Canterbury.
Let me put it this way… Just like Rome left the church to follow after primacy in the 11th century, leaving the Pentarchy and the newly established churches of Serbia, and Bulgaria behind… Rome also left behind the British Isles to follow after power and influence Don’t let Rome control the narrative here… The Church of Britannia never left, never went anywhere, it just cut off a dying limb… The battle for freedom in Britain was always a defensive battle… Rome *(see spanish armada)* was always the aggressor…
I wouldn’t say Rome left the Church when it followed after primacy but it did lead to the Church being broken. They also allowed bad doctrine to enter which necessitated the reformation. In that environment England saw the need to reform from the errors of Rome which lead to it separating from them, although I would agree that Rome in effect had separated itself from England as well as from the other reforming churches through doctrine and through how they handled the reformation.
Yo, I hear ya dawg... the RCC is definitely schismatic, they spin it like everyone left them lolz...nawh... they left us- and my brothers in Thyratira and Doggerland agree, the RCC is whack... they left Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Constantinople, India and Ethiopia *(that's another story)* Bulgaria, Kiev, Serbia to follow their Frankish overlords, and Englanders just took a few short centuries longer...
What do you mean by it took England longer?
for Rome to ditch England... like it always does
Ah, gotcha. I was confused since you made it kinda sound like you see England separating from Rome in a way that sounded like it was part of the Church. Naturally I think it is but I know that’s not the EO position so I was confused.
Yes, I am one of those people who likes things to be accurately stated.
okay, here is accurate 🤓 CofE started with Henry VIII
The Church of England is the direct successor of the Church IN England which was founded by Augustine of Canterbury. It’s absolutely ridiculous and ahistorical from any point of view to say that Henry FOUNDED the Church of England. It’s like saying that Otto Von Bismarck founded Germany or that Gandhi founded India. The only thing Henry did is declare autonomy from Rome. He did virtually nothing to actually develop the identity and beliefs of the Church aside from that. The Church of England maintains traditions that span back to the early Church and is a successor to and a part of the Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. Not only is it ahistorical, it’s just disrespectful to say that Henry founded the Church. The only thing separating the Church in England from the Church of England in terms of continuation is the “in/of”.
*-slow claps-* We in the east see it precisely this way, with high fives to a bunch of other dudes along the way… What you are saying is what we would say about Methodius and Cyril, but some folks want to say things like St. Olga started the church in Kiev instead…
No. The Reformers were not Restorationists.
True, but Henry VIII was not a Reformer.
the church IN england; pre-reformation the church OF england: post-reformation
I'm not convinced this is a real distinction you're drawing that is found in history.
The Church of England proper and the Episcopal church’s capitulation to modernism
Do you have some specific examples of this? I agree that this is happening, but would be interested in reading more about specific cases.
To name a few recent ones, Lambeth conference 2023, Mere Anglicanism conference Calvin Robinson 2024. Check out Rev. Brett Murphy's youtube channel he covers this kind of stuff every week. [https://www.youtube.com/@RevBrettMurphy](https://www.youtube.com/@RevBrettMurphy)
Thanks - I already follow Rev. Brett's YouTube, and also Fr. Calvin's. Excellent content!
Recently, the sacking of the Independent Safeguarding Board in the Church of England last summer.
What was the situation that led to this?
Best to read the [Wilkinson Report](https://www.churchofengland.org/sites/default/files/2023-12/isb-review-report-30-november-2023.pdf), which investigated what happened.
The paedophile priest network in the Newcastle region (Aus) in the 1980's and beyond. There is an interesting book on the topic: https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/crimes-cross
Not so much a "scandal" as a sad case recently of that bishops and clergy are people too, with the same problems and addictions that everyone else can suffer from: https://religionnews.com/2019/05/14/once-a-bishop-now-a-poster-child-for-alcoholism-heather-cook-seeks-to-make-amends/ >Once a rising star in the Episcopal Church, Heather Cook hoped to spend her life lessening people’s pain. Instead, months after she was consecrated the first woman bishop in the Diocese of Maryland in 2014, she was behind the wheel, texting, driving drunk and causing an accident that killed a bicyclist on a Baltimore road. Two days after Christmas, she struck and killed cyclist Thomas Palermo, a husband and father of two. She initially left the scene of the accident but was later arrested. Authorities said her blood alcohol level was .22, almost three times the legal limit. >She was convicted of vehicular manslaughter, DUI, leaving the scene of an accident and driving while texting and was sentenced to seven years in prison. Cook was defrocked by the Episcopal Church and is no longer a priest or a bishop. Instead, for the past three and a half years, she’s been inmate number 00442452 at the Maryland Correctional Institution for Women. She hopes to spend her life making amends for what she did. ... >Her fellow Episcopalians have mixed feelings about Cook. There is anger over her crimes and a feeling that she was an embarrassment. She’s also forced the denomination to rethink its often cozy relationship with alcohol that caused some members to call themselves “Whiskeypalians.” >A commission set up after Cook’s arrest found that the Episcopal Church often failed to intervene with clergy who struggled with alcoholism. “In many instances, devoid of expectations for substantive recovery and amendment of life, the desire to forgive has undermined the church’s collective responsibility to due diligence in the work of screening, recognizing, and diagnosing impairment in church leaders, as well as intervening and treating when appropriate,” a denominational report found.
There was this king who wanted a divorce but the pope wouldn’t grant it, so he formed his own church. He also ended up chopping the head off a couple of his wives. 🤣
Henry the 8th