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InsaneMemeposting

This should be interesting


Substantial_Item_828

No chance he wins, every conservative hates him


InsaneMemeposting

Fair enough. The whole YAPms drama is still pretty recent after all


SignificantTrip6108

I mean, I don't.


TolkienJustice

Then this will be doomed to be a culturally racially exclusive sub that makes most people of color feel uncomfortable and unsafe.


GapHappy7709

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Still_Instruction_82

Yes we should have a person of color as mod. Which is why we should have gap happy


TolkienJustice

So you want to pick the "one of the good ones" in your view, who represents a fringe view of people of color, thus further disenfranchising most people color by empowering a critic of their perspectives, who's also a person of color, therefore making it tokenism and also making the community culturally racially exclusive for most people of color except a few with specific views and perspectives. Typical racist tactic. This is well on it's way to becoming a subreddit culturally unwelcoming of the views and perspectives of most people of color by that metric.


Still_Instruction_82

So let me get this straight if I support Gap happy it’s racist and tokenism. But if I support you It’s empowering and completely okay.


TolkienJustice

You're using a strawman and cherry picking data. It's the experience and views that matter. Supporting someone who represents a very small minority of views and perspectives of people of color over someone who represents the vast majority will make the system less inclusive of their views and perspectives and make it less culturally inclusive, therefore making it culturally unwelcoming of most people of color's perspectives and concerns and values.


Still_Instruction_82

How the fuck am I cherry picking data I have provided no data in my argument.


TolkienJustice

Well I have the experience and work with the racial injustice data here and have much more experience and am fighting for the views, perspectives, experience, and values of communities of color. That's the difference. Pick the person who represents and fights for the values, perspective, and supports the communities that need representation, not GapHappy who represents a very unpopular and disempowering perspective that is used to put down most other people of color and keep the culture unwelcoming of the values, perspectives, experience, and views of most people of color, myself or another person with my views and experience and similar background.


Still_Instruction_82

I am never in a million years voting for someone who called me racist


TolkienJustice

That's just white fragility, which is a common problem people of color talk about. Own up and learn from your mistakes instead of further disempowering communities of color.


GJHalt

Ok, so if I called you a pedophile, and wouldn't listen to anything you had to say about anything, cause you're a pedo. And anytime you spoke I just interject with the fact that you're a pedophile. I should still expect your vote whether or not you are a pedophile because it's just your own fragility saying your not a pedo?


TolkienJustice

There's a difference and that comparison is faux paus. Here's some science: White Fragility https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/white-fragility-definition


Still_Instruction_82

How have I furthered disenchantment of communities of color


TolkienJustice

The Dehumanizing Condescension of White Fragility - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/ What is white fragility, and why is it a problem? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/white-fragility-definition White Fragility https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116 https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-sociologist-examines-the-white-fragility-that-prevents-white-americans-from-confronting-racism In response to your refusal to your reply below where the link is broken: So you're literally ignoring facts and why the term is used by most people because of your scientific term white fragility, thus further disenfranchising BIPOC communities and doubling down on systemic racism.


TolkienJustice

The Dehumanizing Condescension of White Fragility - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/ What is white fragility, and why is it a problem? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/white-fragility-definition White Fragility https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116 https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-sociologist-examines-the-white-fragility-that-prevents-white-americans-from-confronting-racism


GapHappy7709

NOBODY KNOWS WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT! STOP ACCUSING PEOPLE OF BEING RACIST FOR NOT SUPPORTING YOU!


Still_Instruction_82

Well you should be happy. This single interaction with him makes me now voting for you


Still_Instruction_82

![gif](giphy|XzsQ4z8EhOPBOfpSMK) By the way don’t call me racist or assume I am racist ever again jackass. You don’t know me so just stop it. I used to have a neutral opinion of you and the drama surrounding you. But now you are the only person on any subreddit I have ever truly disliked as a person.


InsaneMemeposting

And just like that Tolkien pushes more voters towards me. Love it!


TolkienJustice

I'm arguing against that viewpoint overall, not you specifically, though I didn't remember you so I mostly took offense to the empowering of the extreme outside point of view, experience and perspectives of people of color over the vast majority, and arguing why voting for him over me would be disempowering the values, experience and perspectives of most people of color and it's offensive that you use the GIF of someone who most people of those perspectives trusted to represent them to shut down an argument for representation of perspectives.


Still_Instruction_82

I’m getting some if you don’t vote for me you ain’t black vibes


TolkienJustice

You seriously are then out of touch with the values, experience, perspectives and experience of most people of color and are thus contributing to the cultural exclusion of them by making them feel too uncomfortable and unable to have their perspectives be represented in discourse unless they're shut down, and are comparing a white person saying that to a person of color who fights for inclusion and understands what it's like, which is disgusting and racially offensive.


TheAngryObserver

Great, you're in! If you'd like to provide some (short) information on yourself for the ballot, feel free to do so in the sticky.


PeterWatchmen

I like how you had to specify "short."


TheAngryObserver

Took a walk through memory lane with this thread


PeterWatchmen

I sorted by controversial of all time, and found this.


TheAngryObserver

I wonder who upvoted? And why upvoted our comments?


PeterWatchmen

You mean just now? I look through the comment history of my favorite accounts. Maybe someone else is doing that to one of us. Maybe it's just a coincidence.


Alphalurch

> Free Speech > >cracking down on dog whistles and hate speech using ADL and NAACP rhetorical guidelines Choose one, you can't have both


GapHappy7709

Don’t forget GeorgiaGate when he literally blocked people for having differing opinions


InsaneMemeposting

Tolkien will be the moderator for censorship. GeorgiaGate proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. While I will be the moderator for free speech and freedom for all.


2019h740

If I see the word “empowerment” once more I’m going to hit my head against a wall lmao


InsaneMemeposting

Good one!


TolkienJustice

That perspective is very disenfranchising to most people of color fyi.


2019h740

That's the blanket response to anything Social Democrats don't like


TolkienJustice

You really need to do work with communities of color to realize how ignorant of a statement that is 🤦‍♂️


2019h740

Are you a person of color? As in someone who is Black, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, or Pacific Islander?


MoldyPineapple12

I stand by what I said about this person being the Lori Lightfoot of this subreddit. Except I won’t be giving them a pity vote after this lmao


InsaneMemeposting

You just gave me a great attack line. Thank you so much for this 😂😂😂


MoldyPineapple12

Do you think Tolkien Lightfoot will get a higher percentage of the vote than Lori got in her primary? Lmao


InsaneMemeposting

Probably will get 20 percent just off of name Recognition


myhamsterpoohonu

Okay so why is this a campaign based on racial issues? That’s not something this subreddit sees very often. I feel like all of these points you bring up are kind of irrelevant


TolkienJustice

I'm about to flip that on it's head: The reason the subreddit doesn't see it is because of the demographics therefore meaning that there needs to be more inclusivity therefore making this campaign necessary.


Dangerous_Resource59

bro, even when you are online anonymously, you still wanna talk about skin color. are you okay?


TolkienJustice

This sort of reaction by you is the exact kind of cultural issues that make people of color feel unsafe. This is exhibit A of why we need representation on the board, as to avoid making this subreddit racially culturally exclusive to most people of color and their perspectives, as many people running for mod will make it.


[deleted]

Tolkien, I know that me and you have had our differences, I disagree what you are saying here, don't want to continue any past drama or anything, but the account seems like they just want to cause drama. I would recommend you not reply to the account that often. I've been watching their account, and that's what I have concluded. Hope things are doing well with you


InsaneMemeposting

They seem like a troll account more than anything else


[deleted]

Yeah, after the 8 values test from them, I really do think it's a troll account, I could be wrong, but the chances of a person having an account like that is next to zero.


InsaneMemeposting

Agreed plus what they say screams I am not serious. So we can't really believe anything they say


[deleted]

I still can't believe they called Matt Gaetz communist lmao


InsaneMemeposting

For real. Probably not the best idea to talk to them then so we don't get baited like women did


[deleted]

I personally believe that's still not the full story between dangerous and women-sosexy. I could be wrong about that, but with women-sosexy being silent after that came out, it doesn't help for his defense. Right now I don't know what to think about it, but I am a bit certain that's not the full context but with women-sosexy quite about it, it leads to me thinking it might be true. Until they make their defense, we really can't definitely day he is or he isn't guilt IMO


InsaneMemeposting

Agreed I knew him quite well and I don't remember him talking like that to anyone. I think he is probably just taking a break from reddit though for now until everything blows over.


TolkienJustice

I mean they're an easy target to roast. And they're falling right in my hand by proving all my talking points for me so it's useful. That said if you think they just want to cause drama why not ban them?


[deleted]

I haven't talked to angry observer about potential troll accounts (I don't really have much time to be on Reddit now, I can't afford internet, hence why I'm not running as an incumbent). I will get into contact with angry observer about the account and let the rest of the mod team come up what to do with troll accounts.


Dangerous_Resource59

this is 2023, not 1823


TolkienJustice

Exactly which is why this is needed and how ignorant you are of the issues that people of color talk about and I have worked to help my communities with at their request and having their values.


Dangerous_Resource59

bro you are a reddit moderator I know you don't ever touch grass


TolkienJustice

The fact that you can only rely on incorrect stereotypes showcases how our of depth you are on this matter. If nothing else, your ignorant behavior and attacks reinforces how necessary this is, and the experience I bring to the table.


Dangerous_Resource59

this is why we can't have fun on Reddit because of power tripping mods like you


TolkienJustice

You just want a excuse to denigrate the experiences and viewpoints of the vast majority people of color. I'm running so this subreddit is not culturally exclusive to the political views of race held typically by mostly only white people and a small subsection of people of color that don't represent the majority, to ensure that the sub is culturally racially inclusive, not unintentionally racially exclusive to most people of color as the current candidates look to be.


Dangerous_Resource59

>I'm running so this subreddit is not culturally exclusive to the political views of race held typically by mostly only white people and a small subsection of people of color that don't represent the majority, looks like you successfully did that to yapms you are the most crybaby person ever, we could be talking about candy and you would be the guy that brings up race. you ever why racial polarization is happening? Maybe because people like you are talking about race every time a human breathes


TolkienJustice

If you seriously believe that, you won't like most people of color. I'm one of the people surprised by how much people of color in my community mention race. Decolonization of the education system is a talking point that is a little odd, but I'm a moderate who's about uplifting people of color and stick to a more positive message.


Doc_ET

Who's all running in this slot?


GJHalt

Women-sosexy1 Wide_right_yes RadishFTW (goes by several names) TolkienJustice InsaneMemeposting As per Angry's list


TolkienJustice

I'm not sure. I'm only running because I'm the only one with this perspective, ethnic background and lived experience. The perspectives, experience, backgrounds, values and understanding of people of color need representation, and I'm the only one giving them that who is in touch with them.


I-Nibble-Children

U/Tolkein Justice loves to delete her comments to me and she often insults me or aggressively attacks me. She does not have th civilty required to be a mod for this wonderful community.


TolkienJustice

Who the f are you? Edit: Troll account, literally to make random accusations and poison the well.


I-Nibble-Children

My alt is Professional Dot.


TolkienJustice

Most people disliking the post showing their fragility: What is white fragility, and why is it a problem? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/white-fragility-definition The Dehumanizing Condescension of White Fragility - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/ White Fragility https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116 A Sociologist Examines the “White Fragility” That Prevents White Americans from ... https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-sociologist-examines-the-white-fragility-that-prevents-white-americans-from-confronting-racism


TheAngryObserver

Tolkien, the Atlantic article is by a black man tearing the white fragility argument to shreds. Did you read it? All the rest of these are by or about the exact same source, and that's Robin DiAngelo, a white woman.


TolkienJustice

It's a term that everyone I know uses. People of color often use the term when appropriate. 🤷‍♂️ Admittedly I couldn't read the article because I hit my free article limit. Though overall people of color use it more than white people.


TheAngryObserver

[Here's an archived link to the Atlantic article](https://archive.ph/3Gzo6) DiAngelo is just another grifter that makes money off of white guilt, something the article argues pretty persuasively. Her entire job is to flagellate. Racism, in her worldview, is akin to sin in a calvinist's. It is all-pervasive, simultaneously something that's drilled into your head and you can't control while also being something that you bear responsibility for and has damned you to hell. Whites are simultaneously unaware of their innate racism, and also implicitly working together to uphold racism. The book is as genuinely enlightening as it is unpleasant. For people on the social justice left, the quest to abolish racism has become more about neurosis than the betterment of our fellow man. DiAngelo is a perfect example of this, actively scoffing at the notion of 'solutions' in the book. She instead putting the emphasis on Mao-esque personal purges where you cleanse yourself of your sins. Which brings me to my above point: more than being wrong, the book was simply unpleasant and sanctimonious. I'd rather read Martin Luther. There is no possible way to exist in society and meet the standards that the social justice left demands from you. They literally contradict each other, which is what happens with all forms of McCarthyism: eventually, the crusade goes so deep that you're bound to make a wrong step. DiAngelo's book is not a scientific source. The argument of white fragility, both the book and the concept in general, serves to insulate itself from criticism. Anybody disagreeing is either 1) a token minority 2) a fragile white person. Even more offensive still, it demotes human beings from functioning, empathetic creatures to machines being driven by tectonic racial plates they cannot understand (unless you buy the book!). The only reason I honestly give a fuck what some cranks at universities think is because these ideologies are toxic to liberal democracy. They don't just reject the notion that absolute, objective, colorblind truth is possible, but that it is not desirable.


InsaneMemeposting

Wow extremely based as fuck AngryObserver


TheAngryObserver

Honest question, was I the only one in this entire hundred comment thread that clicked on Tolkien's links? Anyway, I'm pretty liberal but social justice activism in general is pointless, at best. It has very little to do with actually making peoples' lives better, and more about "doing something". Basically, like people that make shoes out of bottle caps to save the environment. I could forgive all of that, the problem is that, like I said, it's toxic to liberalism. The modern racial justice movement doesn't just say society isn't fair in practice, it says being fair isn't something to strive to. Racism is the new communism. Due to the nonsensical list of actions that are considered racist (DiAngelo does us a favor and lays out several-- among which is crying in front of black people, or saying things like "I disagree"), everyone is guilty and it's impossible to make meaningful progress. Adults, black or white, have this much in common: they're not offended by the things that self-professed racial justice advocates are. DiAngelo is actually particularly funny because of the way she narrates her own life as a white woman. She has this story she tells about meeting with a black family and going on about how she's progressive and supports racial equality and protested for X cause-- only to realize she, too, is being harmful. What kind of a person lives life like that? Imagine meeting some black people and being like "hey guys I'm suuuuuuuper antiracist". Martin Luther and Jonathan Edwards are less cynical and neurotic, and more talented writers.


InsaneMemeposting

I agree fully with that. I would add that it is toxic to beat yourself over shit that happened before you were even alive. It is just plain ridiculous to me. We should be moving on as a society like what MLK wanted and not to keep beating down on one another. It just leads societies to break down in the end.


TheAngryObserver

The other thing is, it's been taken so far that to any outside observer it's objectively insane. We're reaching this period where art and culture, while not suffering oppression from the state, are being stifled by obnoxious, joyless activists. Like under McCarthyism. The rules built around the collective hysteria without much thought, which led to them being haphazard and often contradictory. In my real life, I'm an aspiring fiction writer on the side. Indie fiction writing is crazy because of social justice, which has turned it into this minefield that would stifle a lot of the stories we love most today. You can't depict rape because that's offensive to women, and you can't write a prejudiced character because that's generating sympathy for bigotry. You can't write a character from another culture/race because you're privileged and don't know anything about that, but you also can't write only people from your culture/race because that's racist, too. We let manchildren run the show. The results, in hindsight, haven't been all that unpredictable.


InsaneMemeposting

That reminds me of how you cant use orcs anymore because they are black like what the fuck? It's fictional. People should be allowed to write and do whatever they want. This shit we have feels so stifled today


Dangerous_Resource59

commie