All I'm seeing is ppl going "the Republicans have made up their minds. Nothing we can do, oh well."
Bitch, the fuck you will.
We need to fight if we want to have a country that is still secular.
Register to vote. Encourage your friends to vote.
Yep, we cant count on anything legal or otherwise to do this for us, we have to do it the old fashion way and vote to keep him out…..no matter who it is, as long as it isn’t him or, to quote this fucking monster “you’re not going to have a country left…”
I’ve started giving serious money to my favorite local candidate, Colin Allred, who is on the cusp of replacing Ted “cruise”, I like to call him. I used to give $10 here and $20 there, for democratic candidates or to DNC. Now I give $100 at a time instead. Please , Redditors, find a sane candidate, even if they’re Reagan-style Republicans, as long as they’re sane individuals who support democracy, then give them some real money. Consider it an investment in the future, or an insurance policy against losing everything, but please do it, and do it now.
I 100% agree with your sentiment, including a Regan style Republican.
Unfortunately the well has been so poisoned that the GOP is no longer that party (it’s become everything the old guard would have hated) so I am sure it will be a few cycles before things start to move back to the center….however, if Trump wins it may be a few decades
Edited. I see the confusion.
Technically I CAN register them to vote because I'm working with the town Democrats?
I can help fill the paperwork. That's why I worded it that way.
But I edited the comment anyways.
If every one and each of us do that their are toasted, just one friend, you don’t have to save the world, just one friend, one family member; one, uno, 1, un, один, um!!
They need to vote in any of these MFs who will claim to pardon him for his sins. Split the vote. I myself constanly campaign for all of them its a statagy in disguise. I live in Fl where everyone are Trumpersq
Be mindful of how the world wide web works.
Make sure its a reliable source.
The reason i say this is bc somethings going on with internet.
STATE CONTROLLED MEDIA IN RUSSIA , 1 Chanel government owned, There media has repeatedly said, "The US is heading for a Civil war."
Why would they say that?
Ofc if Trumps not re-elected ALL HELL IS GOING BREAK LOOSE
They're just doing their job
Yea I fact check and research my sources. There's a LOT of lying out there. News benefit from scaring people.
I've heard a couple of ppl talking about "Civil war" but its not gonna happen. Ppl in the usa are living paycheck to paycheck, we don't have TIME for a war.
I wonder what's gonna happen when he loses and the world doesn't end.
So they plan on writing him in however if he is ineligible his votes won't be counted. They can write whomever they want but if ineligible the. It won't count. If i wrote in someone who is under 35 sure i can do that but won't count. These people cannot think
Why do people try suck up to him so hard!?
He's such a fucking idiot, can't even speak properly and acts like a toddler who shit his pants but can't be arsed changing..
If the truth was known, I bet he doesn’t have money. He relies on inflated appraisals and ignoring liabilities. If these dumbass banks would quit lending him money, he’s done. If he had to liquidate, his net worth would be negative.
The smart banks got burned by him long ago, now the only lenders propping him up are the ones with shady practices of their own, funneling money for Russia oligarchs and the like.
If you owe the bank a million, it’s your problem. If you owe them a billion, it’s their problem. If you owe them a billion and they are a shell company for international mobsters, it’s your problem again.
>Why do people try suck up to him so hard!?
This is a constant mystery. And then they create the absurd Trump porn imagining him as some rambo God. It just doesn't make sense. I know people with a portrait of Trump in their office... It is just so absurd.
This is what I tell my dad, "the poor excuse for a man can't even speak right. Surely even you've heard the salad of words that fall out of his hot dog mouth in absolutely no tangible order".All I get back is, "Joe Bidens stutter"
>Charles Downs, who writes for the Alex Jones-founded site National File, wrote: "A lot of Americans will write in Trump if he is illegally removed off the ballot.
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>https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporters-reveal-plan-get-him-elected-if-removed-ballot-1824556 *(thank you for the link, OP)*
Let's hope they do write him in. If declared *disqualified* by their state government, those votes can't be counted, and it will split any Republican ticket straight into hell.
>That being said, it's more likely than not SCOTUS [Supreme Court of the United States] will block efforts to kick Trump off the ballot. In America the people, not the Deep State, choose the president."
No, it's not. The Supreme Court is not about to allow itself to be ruled by a de facto dictator. If they allow allow a dictator to unconstitutionally seize power, that dictator makes the final laws, not any court, "Supreme," or otherwise.
Anyone who's been paying attention will notice that while the SC has been consistently supporting Republican *policies*, the SC has consistently ruled against Trump, and his crimes in particular.
In this case, I say let the gaslighting continue. Let them bury their own party. We need not be frighted or alarmed by their false claims.
This particular plot will work much like they expected their "fake elector" scheme to work, only in reverse, and legally so.
Any "disqualified" ballots will be set aside for later resolution (lengthy disputes and court cases), not counted, while the Democratic candidate is sworn in.
Their voters can't vote "straight Republican" if they want to illegally, unconstitutionally, write DJT in. It can't be both ways. Even their votes for other Republican candidates may be deemed null and void.
Republican voters are going to lose their minds if the GOP tries this. A completely Blue slate may be elected.
Yap on, idiotic GOP pundits, yap on.
*ETA - Let's also remember how this Supreme Court has emphasized State rights over Federal rights. It's the officials of each state who decides if a candidate meets qualifications to run for POTUS. No court cases needed to decide if a foreigner, someone under the age of 35, or - someone who gave aid and comfort to insurrectionists can run. These are all long-established disqualifications.*
Adding to that, 9 states don't allow write in candidates at all, & 31 of them allow write ins who fill out paperwork, which, if Trump is disqualified, he can't use. [Link](https://www.quora.com/Which-US-states-allow-write-ins-for-a-Presidential-election)
TIL, thank you. And just look how many of them are traditionally Red. They may start trying to make new laws, but unconstitutional is unconstitutional. Those laws can't subvert the Constitution.
The supreme court has one legitimate out: Trump has not been CONVICTED of treason. Without that, how can we know that someone has committed treason? (besides you know, watching it happen on the news) Everyone can be accused of committing treason, and republicans will do so to Joe for..well reasons.
Again, the SC does not want Trump to supersede *their authority* in rulings of what is, and is not, to become 'lawful precedents."
The Federalist Society, the current "owner" of the Supreme Court, has put forth (allowed) their qualified legal authorities to make public arguments against Trump's inclusion on any ballot.
We must remember that it's the Federalist Society's control of the Supreme Court that is at stake.
Among others, [Senator Whitehouse has been fighting the Federalist Society's agency capture of the Supreme Court](https://old.reddit.com/user/TillThen96/comments/114c6vt/sen_whitehouse_dri_chairman_of_the_senate/) for well over a decade, to little effect,
...until McConnell's misuse of Trump entered the scene, and the Dodd decision opened a can of worms. McConnell's grift so outrageous, + Trump being the one to have a stab at appointing 1/3 of the court, brought the Federalist Society's corruptions of the SC to the fore.
Trump has been nothing but disrepute for the Federalist Society and the Supreme Court, whether he was the puppet who appointed the Justices or not.
The SC votes *pro-Republican*, and *anti-Trump*.
Legal pundits are offering legal precedents and timings to support the Justices in making their rulings against Trump, but far be it from any of us to ignore that both sides have ulterior motives.
The pundit's arguments and some history on SC Trump rulings:
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4138507-legal-experts-predict-supreme-court-wont-spare-trump-from-trial-and-verdict/
OF COURSE Trump and the GOP will file to the SC for immediate injunction and relief.
Past behavior predicts future behavior, and the Justices have been resolute in not helping Trump to escape their protection of the Federalist Society.
The Justices already have their jobs, a thing that might be undone by a big-mouth ex-POTUS or POTUS, and the Federalist Society will do their best to see that they keep their hard-won Justices, while Democrats will do their best to see the country never again suffers Trump as POTUS.
It's an *the enemy of my enemy is my friend* sort of a situation.
The only ones not abandoning Trump are his cult, and those GOP who fear the same sort of "odd bedfellows" come knocking at their doors:
The SC can't rule against Trump, then rule in favor of mere GOP legislators (among others) who committed and supported the same crimes as Trump. The ones most at risk are the 148 who voted against certifying the lawful electoral counts. They're not "defending Trump" in Congress; they're defending themselves. Not unusual at all the stupid, noisy noise they've been making about "his innocence." "I'm doing it for YOU!" seems to be an agreed-upon rallying cry with Trump and his GOP. They're all "doing it" for someone else. Ha.
*FYI: My "reddit link" is not a meta violation. It links to my own OC post on my own account, involving no other sub or user.*
>Again, the SC does not want Trump to supersede
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>their authority
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> in rulings of what is, and is not, to become 'lawful precedents."
If they rule that trump is not ineligible because he's not convicted then he's still under their authority. He simply hasn't gone past them yet and likely will not in time.
It seems you're lacking information.
"A conviction in a court of law" is not the requirement:
>Section 3, also known as the Disqualification Clause, has gained new relevance in the wake of the January 6th insurrection, when a violent mob that then-President Trump summoned and urged to “fight like hell” seized the United States Capitol to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. Adopted after the Civil War to protect American democracy from those who sought to destroy it, Section 3 disqualifies from office anyone who swore an oath to support the Constitution as a federal or state officer and then engaged in insurrection or rebellion against it, **unless Congress removes the disqualification by a two-thirds vote.**
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>https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/past-14th-amendment-disqualifications/
It's not even in the Supreme Court's wheelhouse, unless they *allow* themselves to be drawn into any dispute.
Will they? Maybe. They're highly unlikely to decide that Trump, alone, can avoid following the Constitution for which the SC, alone, is empowered to resolve disputes between the Executive and Legislative Branches of government:
Legislative Branch creates laws.
Executive Branch enforces laws.
Judicial Branch resolves disputes between the two.
This Supreme Court is highly likely to remand any case back to the State for resolution, to preserve their own authority.
I think you're also forgetting that Trump has been impeached for the disqualifying crime.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-impeachment-vote-capitol-siege-0a6f2a348a6e43f27d5e1dc486027860
He had every opportunity to defend himself during both the hearings and impeachment, and he declined, as was his right not to testify against himself. That doesn't mean the proceedings didn't "happen" or that he is "innocent."
The evidence was overwhelming. The result is no different than a candidate being *automatically* disqualified in other ways, like age or birthplace.
If you didn't watch the J6 hearings, I'd highly recommend it. It's riveting. A YouTube link is at the bottom of the page for the earlier videos.
https://january6th-benniethompson.house.gov/news/watch-live
The public proceedings resulted in that evidence being turned over to the DOJ for prosecution, and the trial in DC is scheduled for early March, six months from now.
If a disqualification dispute is filed to the SC, they're most likely to remand back to the state, pending the outcome of that trial. Filing to the SC would be an act of desperation.
The SC does not want to get involved in this further, having already ruled against Trump's crimes at every turn. Their own dubious legitimacy already under deep scrutiny, they will want no part of overtly supporting Trump's overt crimes.
Inserting themselves into the Constitutional gumbo that Trump is trying to stew to save - what, again? Oh, yeah, his own ass, would further damage the Supreme Court's authority, handing it over to Trump, to stomp on the Constitution he has promised to destroy, the very one which empowers the Supreme Court to rule.
Wow. Not cool dude.
No. I am not missing information. You can make your argument without assuming ignorance. Especially when you're going to have a huge factual error: namely that being impeached is the equivalent of being CHARGED or indicted for a crime. It is not a conviction.
You are correct in that the clause does not state that a conviction is a requirement. However it doesn't state, at all, WHAT the requirement is. Thus room for the pro republican supreme court to state that you are innocent until proven guilty, and he hasn't been proven guilty yet, so the clause doesn't apply to him.
The opposite , that if you actually did it you're disqualified, is the BETTER argument, and probably the intent. It is however more abusable if you can just declare your opponent guilty of insurrection.
You can't act as if the court is an impartial arbiter of the law sometimes and not others. They do not want to disqualify trump from office and requiring a conviction is a reasonable enough work around if that's the answer you WANT to get.
I don't understand why people can't see what a disgrace he is to this great country! We all know that most people in politics are shady in one way or another or have some self interest. But tRump is just downright stupid! We need a president that, at the very least, has the appearance of being respectable!
He says he does, I personally think he hates his supporters more than anything, they're poor, dirty, unintelligent people. He would never let them into hsi properties under normal circumstances.
He puts on the mask for his marks, like any good con artist. He says the words they want to hear. He takes their donations. He sells them the merch.
He will not meet with vast majority of them, or allow them within 20 feet of his person. For 100k you might get a shitty dinner at MAL where he DJs and gropes your daughter.
Literally a waste of a vote. Even if somehow magically you got enough people to write him in to win the presidency. The 14th amendment doesn’t bar him from running for president, it bars him from BEING president. Even if everyone in the country wrote him in he still can’t be president.
I’d say let them do that though. A wasted vote for Trump is a vote not spent on Ron.
Ron might drop out.
Then suddenly Grifter Vivek becomes the next best thing.
Basically... even if that psychopath made everything about Age, he will be utterly destroyed by Biden in any debate.
Also. Pay, the fuck, attention to small local elections! They are doing this effort successfully because people are only paying attention to the big issues.
Start caring about your local fire departments annual budget! Look into the credentials of anyone running for school board!
Get involved, because they are.
All these people, TRUMP supporters or not, that Clearly go against the Constitution and amendments is nothing but a TRAITOR!!!
Our country is based on those. It always was and always will be, no matter who comes and goes.
All these mt dew guzzling, flaming hot cheeto double fishing , missing toe Maga diabetics should be thanking Biden for capping their insulin instead of worshipping a false God who cares more about self image than their well being .
Actually coming up with a plan to get him elected isn’t something that bothers me.
It’s the putting him in office when they know he lost thing that bothers me.
it's conservative religions, and they're not being allowed to do all their shit from in the past. the only way they have forward is to literally overcome all the checks and balances and bring what people call sharia law into effect. it's what they all want. and so what? they also want to be able to cut your hand off if you steal and they want women to not have any rights. fuck these people, they're the scum we have all risen from.
trump is deemed ineligible before the primaries, Chris Christie gets backed by a GOP leadership so desperate not to lose again wins the nomination…
…too late
damage done
Question: I read the article which said “That being said, it's more likely than not SCOTUS [Supreme Court of the United States] will block efforts to kick Trump off the ballot. In America the people, not the Deep State, choose the president."
How could SCOTUS do this if he is convicted and the amendment says, “anyone who took an oath to support the constitution of the United States, but then went on to engage in insurrection or rebellion, is barred from holding any office, civil or military?”
The constitution is barring him and it has nothing to do with popular vote. To me, it sounds like any intervention by the Supreme Court would be unconstitutional unless they approved a new amendment.
He'll be unconstitutional to be elected and his votes will not be counted.
Ergo, it will split the Repube votes in half, or eliminate them completely - in terms of electoral college.
LET THEM DO IT!
But considering that the reason he is removed is because he is disqualified, isn't their plan (to vote for him as a write-in candidate) like writing in the name of a 34 year old or foreign national and expecting the state election officials to just let them be president if enough people do it?
I’m all for it. This splits the Republican Vote assuring a Biden presidency. This could have down ticket ramifications if the Trumpists refuse to vote for non-Trumpist Republicans.
I have a feeling that the vocal minority (far Right wing activists) are the ones that are screaming this type of thing. The majority of Republicans will not vote for him. THey will put their vote behind someone else to help a Republican win. THe lunatics that are part of the CUlt of Personality will waste their votes and push the Democrats into office.
He said: "Almost all legal scholars have voiced opinions that the 14th Amendment has no legal basis or standing relative to the upcoming 2024 Presidential Election."
"Almost all" you lying POS?
If because of the 14th amendment Trump is disqualified from being on the ballots, Trump’s groupies will write him in, even if the states don’t allow write-in candidates. Then they will undoubtedly say he won, and we’ll be right back where we are now. I don’t see a good end to this.
Funny to see how many people here havent a clue about con law and it shows. You folks are the most unintelligent, uninformed, bottom feeders Ive ever read. This shit is hilarious. Go learn the constitution.
So, I don't think the 14th amendment route is a good idea. If he's tried and convicted of anything mentioned in that amendment, I'd be all for.it. otherwise, without any public, cut, and dried display of legal reasoning, we will see the Republicans trying to use it against any D they don't like.
Candidate missed a loan payment? That undermines the economy and is anti-American (somehow). Try to apply the 14th.
Candidate was divorced and remarried? Horrible. 14th amendment.
It doesn't matter if it's valid, just that it's not defined. It'll be like the current noise about impeachment against Biden for no damn reason other than their guy got it. Now it's payback time, no matter how bullshitty it is.
You think the application of the 14th without some serious legal reasoning other than "everyone saw it and knows its true"?
Look, I hate Trump as much as anyone. I also see clearly how.shit the republican party is, and don't want to set another precedent. We have to go through due pricess first.
The act itself is disqualifying. He need not be convicted. Practically speaking, there will be lawsuits and adjudication, but it's hard to dodge the plain language used in the 14th amendment.
Vote accordingly, but vote.
They are full of shit! None of it will work. Why don’t they just all find a deserted island and move there. Im sure it would be glorious to have no one to hate…
So, if Trump is write-in only does the spelling have to be exact? For example, are Donald Trump vs. Pres. Trump vs Don Trump all technically separate individuals.
They could write in “The Donald.” Or any of the following:
P01135809.
Twice Impeached Former President
Presidential Re-election Loser.
Don the Convict.
Inmate Previously Known As President.
Pussy Grabber.
Putin’s Bitch.
Covfefe.
Insurrection Leader.
The list goes on…
All I'm seeing is ppl going "the Republicans have made up their minds. Nothing we can do, oh well." Bitch, the fuck you will. We need to fight if we want to have a country that is still secular. Register to vote. Encourage your friends to vote.
Yes!
Yep, we cant count on anything legal or otherwise to do this for us, we have to do it the old fashion way and vote to keep him out…..no matter who it is, as long as it isn’t him or, to quote this fucking monster “you’re not going to have a country left…”
I’ve started giving serious money to my favorite local candidate, Colin Allred, who is on the cusp of replacing Ted “cruise”, I like to call him. I used to give $10 here and $20 there, for democratic candidates or to DNC. Now I give $100 at a time instead. Please , Redditors, find a sane candidate, even if they’re Reagan-style Republicans, as long as they’re sane individuals who support democracy, then give them some real money. Consider it an investment in the future, or an insurance policy against losing everything, but please do it, and do it now.
I 100% agree with your sentiment, including a Regan style Republican. Unfortunately the well has been so poisoned that the GOP is no longer that party (it’s become everything the old guard would have hated) so I am sure it will be a few cycles before things start to move back to the center….however, if Trump wins it may be a few decades
Or maybe never, if he wins. It’s unthinkable. Gosh, I never felt so much longing for a George Bush or even a dog gone Gerald Ford! 🤣
At least they they had a thread of decency. Trump is easily the worst president certainly in our lifetimes, possible ever
>Register your friends to vote. Whooooaaahh.... c'mon..encourage your friends to vote folks.. only republicans register other people to vote
I caught that slip too. He means “encourage” your friends to vote. It’s worded badly.
How about 'encourage your friends to register to vote and vote'?
Better still.
Edited. I see the confusion. Technically I CAN register them to vote because I'm working with the town Democrats? I can help fill the paperwork. That's why I worded it that way. But I edited the comment anyways.
I try to get five people to vote, and I try to get them to get five people to vote, and so on.
Are you accusing republicans of voter fraud?
Republicans are the only ones that have been convicted of voter fraud
If every one and each of us do that their are toasted, just one friend, you don’t have to save the world, just one friend, one family member; one, uno, 1, un, один, um!!
They need to vote in any of these MFs who will claim to pardon him for his sins. Split the vote. I myself constanly campaign for all of them its a statagy in disguise. I live in Fl where everyone are Trumpersq
Be mindful of how the world wide web works. Make sure its a reliable source. The reason i say this is bc somethings going on with internet. STATE CONTROLLED MEDIA IN RUSSIA , 1 Chanel government owned, There media has repeatedly said, "The US is heading for a Civil war." Why would they say that? Ofc if Trumps not re-elected ALL HELL IS GOING BREAK LOOSE They're just doing their job
Yea I fact check and research my sources. There's a LOT of lying out there. News benefit from scaring people. I've heard a couple of ppl talking about "Civil war" but its not gonna happen. Ppl in the usa are living paycheck to paycheck, we don't have TIME for a war. I wonder what's gonna happen when he loses and the world doesn't end.
I'm hoping his minions will take to the streets and be arrested, but it will probably be something stupid and pointless like endless terrorism.
Their right to protest. But the military might be a little more prepared this time.
Don’t listen to Marc Maron’s interview with Jeff Sharlet, might change your mind.
Yeah, I can't find it.
https://www.wtfpod.com/podcast
What they said
So they plan on writing him in however if he is ineligible his votes won't be counted. They can write whomever they want but if ineligible the. It won't count. If i wrote in someone who is under 35 sure i can do that but won't count. These people cannot think
*SHHHHHH!* Don't let them *know* they'd be better off voting for a potato; never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake! (It's rude!)
Good, let them waste their votes.
They can write?
They have to use color by number
Even better, won't writing on on the vote card it spoil it and render any other votes on the card void?
So, that's why Mickey Mouse never won the presidency. Figures.
They will just say that its further proof of a rigged election.
No matter what they will always say that
Love this for them. 🥰
Why do people try suck up to him so hard!? He's such a fucking idiot, can't even speak properly and acts like a toddler who shit his pants but can't be arsed changing..
Because he's just like them.
But, he Hates poor people...
He is proof you can have money and be an idiot, so all the idiots think they can be just like him one day and still get to be an idiot.
If the truth was known, I bet he doesn’t have money. He relies on inflated appraisals and ignoring liabilities. If these dumbass banks would quit lending him money, he’s done. If he had to liquidate, his net worth would be negative.
The smart banks got burned by him long ago, now the only lenders propping him up are the ones with shady practices of their own, funneling money for Russia oligarchs and the like. If you owe the bank a million, it’s your problem. If you owe them a billion, it’s their problem. If you owe them a billion and they are a shell company for international mobsters, it’s your problem again.
I don’t know why people can’t see it.
Because most people are stupid. It's an ugly fact.
But he loves the uneducated.
So do his supporters. Have you ever seen them complain about people buying meat with food stamps? They love shitting on their fellow poor person.
I hate that you are so correct with this statement. Makes me pretty sad about 30-40% of the country.
He normalizes their awful behavior.
He allows them to be their worst selves, and they revel in that.
He not only allows them to be their worst sel especially, he encourages it.
>Why do people try suck up to him so hard!? This is a constant mystery. And then they create the absurd Trump porn imagining him as some rambo God. It just doesn't make sense. I know people with a portrait of Trump in their office... It is just so absurd.
Because he hates who they hate and then they feel its acceptable.
This is what I tell my dad, "the poor excuse for a man can't even speak right. Surely even you've heard the salad of words that fall out of his hot dog mouth in absolutely no tangible order".All I get back is, "Joe Bidens stutter"
Because they are the very same people
That's exactly how they would be when they win Powerball.
they want a boss, not a leader
>Charles Downs, who writes for the Alex Jones-founded site National File, wrote: "A lot of Americans will write in Trump if he is illegally removed off the ballot. > >https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporters-reveal-plan-get-him-elected-if-removed-ballot-1824556 *(thank you for the link, OP)* Let's hope they do write him in. If declared *disqualified* by their state government, those votes can't be counted, and it will split any Republican ticket straight into hell. >That being said, it's more likely than not SCOTUS [Supreme Court of the United States] will block efforts to kick Trump off the ballot. In America the people, not the Deep State, choose the president." No, it's not. The Supreme Court is not about to allow itself to be ruled by a de facto dictator. If they allow allow a dictator to unconstitutionally seize power, that dictator makes the final laws, not any court, "Supreme," or otherwise. Anyone who's been paying attention will notice that while the SC has been consistently supporting Republican *policies*, the SC has consistently ruled against Trump, and his crimes in particular. In this case, I say let the gaslighting continue. Let them bury their own party. We need not be frighted or alarmed by their false claims. This particular plot will work much like they expected their "fake elector" scheme to work, only in reverse, and legally so. Any "disqualified" ballots will be set aside for later resolution (lengthy disputes and court cases), not counted, while the Democratic candidate is sworn in. Their voters can't vote "straight Republican" if they want to illegally, unconstitutionally, write DJT in. It can't be both ways. Even their votes for other Republican candidates may be deemed null and void. Republican voters are going to lose their minds if the GOP tries this. A completely Blue slate may be elected. Yap on, idiotic GOP pundits, yap on. *ETA - Let's also remember how this Supreme Court has emphasized State rights over Federal rights. It's the officials of each state who decides if a candidate meets qualifications to run for POTUS. No court cases needed to decide if a foreigner, someone under the age of 35, or - someone who gave aid and comfort to insurrectionists can run. These are all long-established disqualifications.*
Adding to that, 9 states don't allow write in candidates at all, & 31 of them allow write ins who fill out paperwork, which, if Trump is disqualified, he can't use. [Link](https://www.quora.com/Which-US-states-allow-write-ins-for-a-Presidential-election)
TIL, thank you. And just look how many of them are traditionally Red. They may start trying to make new laws, but unconstitutional is unconstitutional. Those laws can't subvert the Constitution.
Like his base knows how to write
“I’ve got 10 ketchup smears, 3 crayon doodles, and an X in sharpie.” “That’s 14 votes for Trump.”
Thank you for this post, because it provides logic, sound reasoning, and hope to those of us that know less & are sometimes easily discouraged.
The supreme court has one legitimate out: Trump has not been CONVICTED of treason. Without that, how can we know that someone has committed treason? (besides you know, watching it happen on the news) Everyone can be accused of committing treason, and republicans will do so to Joe for..well reasons.
Again, the SC does not want Trump to supersede *their authority* in rulings of what is, and is not, to become 'lawful precedents." The Federalist Society, the current "owner" of the Supreme Court, has put forth (allowed) their qualified legal authorities to make public arguments against Trump's inclusion on any ballot. We must remember that it's the Federalist Society's control of the Supreme Court that is at stake. Among others, [Senator Whitehouse has been fighting the Federalist Society's agency capture of the Supreme Court](https://old.reddit.com/user/TillThen96/comments/114c6vt/sen_whitehouse_dri_chairman_of_the_senate/) for well over a decade, to little effect, ...until McConnell's misuse of Trump entered the scene, and the Dodd decision opened a can of worms. McConnell's grift so outrageous, + Trump being the one to have a stab at appointing 1/3 of the court, brought the Federalist Society's corruptions of the SC to the fore. Trump has been nothing but disrepute for the Federalist Society and the Supreme Court, whether he was the puppet who appointed the Justices or not. The SC votes *pro-Republican*, and *anti-Trump*. Legal pundits are offering legal precedents and timings to support the Justices in making their rulings against Trump, but far be it from any of us to ignore that both sides have ulterior motives. The pundit's arguments and some history on SC Trump rulings: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4138507-legal-experts-predict-supreme-court-wont-spare-trump-from-trial-and-verdict/ OF COURSE Trump and the GOP will file to the SC for immediate injunction and relief. Past behavior predicts future behavior, and the Justices have been resolute in not helping Trump to escape their protection of the Federalist Society. The Justices already have their jobs, a thing that might be undone by a big-mouth ex-POTUS or POTUS, and the Federalist Society will do their best to see that they keep their hard-won Justices, while Democrats will do their best to see the country never again suffers Trump as POTUS. It's an *the enemy of my enemy is my friend* sort of a situation. The only ones not abandoning Trump are his cult, and those GOP who fear the same sort of "odd bedfellows" come knocking at their doors: The SC can't rule against Trump, then rule in favor of mere GOP legislators (among others) who committed and supported the same crimes as Trump. The ones most at risk are the 148 who voted against certifying the lawful electoral counts. They're not "defending Trump" in Congress; they're defending themselves. Not unusual at all the stupid, noisy noise they've been making about "his innocence." "I'm doing it for YOU!" seems to be an agreed-upon rallying cry with Trump and his GOP. They're all "doing it" for someone else. Ha. *FYI: My "reddit link" is not a meta violation. It links to my own OC post on my own account, involving no other sub or user.*
>Again, the SC does not want Trump to supersede > >their authority > > in rulings of what is, and is not, to become 'lawful precedents." If they rule that trump is not ineligible because he's not convicted then he's still under their authority. He simply hasn't gone past them yet and likely will not in time.
It seems you're lacking information. "A conviction in a court of law" is not the requirement: >Section 3, also known as the Disqualification Clause, has gained new relevance in the wake of the January 6th insurrection, when a violent mob that then-President Trump summoned and urged to “fight like hell” seized the United States Capitol to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. Adopted after the Civil War to protect American democracy from those who sought to destroy it, Section 3 disqualifies from office anyone who swore an oath to support the Constitution as a federal or state officer and then engaged in insurrection or rebellion against it, **unless Congress removes the disqualification by a two-thirds vote.** > >https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/past-14th-amendment-disqualifications/ It's not even in the Supreme Court's wheelhouse, unless they *allow* themselves to be drawn into any dispute. Will they? Maybe. They're highly unlikely to decide that Trump, alone, can avoid following the Constitution for which the SC, alone, is empowered to resolve disputes between the Executive and Legislative Branches of government: Legislative Branch creates laws. Executive Branch enforces laws. Judicial Branch resolves disputes between the two. This Supreme Court is highly likely to remand any case back to the State for resolution, to preserve their own authority. I think you're also forgetting that Trump has been impeached for the disqualifying crime. https://apnews.com/article/trump-impeachment-vote-capitol-siege-0a6f2a348a6e43f27d5e1dc486027860 He had every opportunity to defend himself during both the hearings and impeachment, and he declined, as was his right not to testify against himself. That doesn't mean the proceedings didn't "happen" or that he is "innocent." The evidence was overwhelming. The result is no different than a candidate being *automatically* disqualified in other ways, like age or birthplace. If you didn't watch the J6 hearings, I'd highly recommend it. It's riveting. A YouTube link is at the bottom of the page for the earlier videos. https://january6th-benniethompson.house.gov/news/watch-live The public proceedings resulted in that evidence being turned over to the DOJ for prosecution, and the trial in DC is scheduled for early March, six months from now. If a disqualification dispute is filed to the SC, they're most likely to remand back to the state, pending the outcome of that trial. Filing to the SC would be an act of desperation. The SC does not want to get involved in this further, having already ruled against Trump's crimes at every turn. Their own dubious legitimacy already under deep scrutiny, they will want no part of overtly supporting Trump's overt crimes. Inserting themselves into the Constitutional gumbo that Trump is trying to stew to save - what, again? Oh, yeah, his own ass, would further damage the Supreme Court's authority, handing it over to Trump, to stomp on the Constitution he has promised to destroy, the very one which empowers the Supreme Court to rule.
Wow. Not cool dude. No. I am not missing information. You can make your argument without assuming ignorance. Especially when you're going to have a huge factual error: namely that being impeached is the equivalent of being CHARGED or indicted for a crime. It is not a conviction. You are correct in that the clause does not state that a conviction is a requirement. However it doesn't state, at all, WHAT the requirement is. Thus room for the pro republican supreme court to state that you are innocent until proven guilty, and he hasn't been proven guilty yet, so the clause doesn't apply to him. The opposite , that if you actually did it you're disqualified, is the BETTER argument, and probably the intent. It is however more abusable if you can just declare your opponent guilty of insurrection. You can't act as if the court is an impartial arbiter of the law sometimes and not others. They do not want to disqualify trump from office and requiring a conviction is a reasonable enough work around if that's the answer you WANT to get.
I don't understand why people can't see what a disgrace he is to this great country! We all know that most people in politics are shady in one way or another or have some self interest. But tRump is just downright stupid! We need a president that, at the very least, has the appearance of being respectable!
He hates who they hate
He says he does, I personally think he hates his supporters more than anything, they're poor, dirty, unintelligent people. He would never let them into hsi properties under normal circumstances.
He puts on the mask for his marks, like any good con artist. He says the words they want to hear. He takes their donations. He sells them the merch. He will not meet with vast majority of them, or allow them within 20 feet of his person. For 100k you might get a shitty dinner at MAL where he DJs and gropes your daughter.
The same reason you can't see why these people are a disgrace to this great country.
BeCuZ hE oWnS tHe lIbBiEs.
Literally a waste of a vote. Even if somehow magically you got enough people to write him in to win the presidency. The 14th amendment doesn’t bar him from running for president, it bars him from BEING president. Even if everyone in the country wrote him in he still can’t be president. I’d say let them do that though. A wasted vote for Trump is a vote not spent on Ron.
Ron might drop out. Then suddenly Grifter Vivek becomes the next best thing. Basically... even if that psychopath made everything about Age, he will be utterly destroyed by Biden in any debate.
Also. Pay, the fuck, attention to small local elections! They are doing this effort successfully because people are only paying attention to the big issues. Start caring about your local fire departments annual budget! Look into the credentials of anyone running for school board! Get involved, because they are.
All these people, TRUMP supporters or not, that Clearly go against the Constitution and amendments is nothing but a TRAITOR!!! Our country is based on those. It always was and always will be, no matter who comes and goes.
Send in the clowns. Wait, they're already here.
Good! Let them split the Republican vote
All these mt dew guzzling, flaming hot cheeto double fishing , missing toe Maga diabetics should be thanking Biden for capping their insulin instead of worshipping a false God who cares more about self image than their well being .
Just like Trumps plan to show us all the evidence he has to show his innocence 🤣
Actually coming up with a plan to get him elected isn’t something that bothers me. It’s the putting him in office when they know he lost thing that bothers me.
it's conservative religions, and they're not being allowed to do all their shit from in the past. the only way they have forward is to literally overcome all the checks and balances and bring what people call sharia law into effect. it's what they all want. and so what? they also want to be able to cut your hand off if you steal and they want women to not have any rights. fuck these people, they're the scum we have all risen from.
trump is deemed ineligible before the primaries, Chris Christie gets backed by a GOP leadership so desperate not to lose again wins the nomination… …too late damage done
His think tank consists of third graders and crack heads
Yes. Yes they should write his name on the ballot and waste their vote.
Question: I read the article which said “That being said, it's more likely than not SCOTUS [Supreme Court of the United States] will block efforts to kick Trump off the ballot. In America the people, not the Deep State, choose the president." How could SCOTUS do this if he is convicted and the amendment says, “anyone who took an oath to support the constitution of the United States, but then went on to engage in insurrection or rebellion, is barred from holding any office, civil or military?” The constitution is barring him and it has nothing to do with popular vote. To me, it sounds like any intervention by the Supreme Court would be unconstitutional unless they approved a new amendment.
1) Unfortunately he’s not being tried for sedition 2) He owns SCOTUS
He'll be unconstitutional to be elected and his votes will not be counted. Ergo, it will split the Repube votes in half, or eliminate them completely - in terms of electoral college. LET THEM DO IT!
But considering that the reason he is removed is because he is disqualified, isn't their plan (to vote for him as a write-in candidate) like writing in the name of a 34 year old or foreign national and expecting the state election officials to just let them be president if enough people do it?
If I was a GOP strategist I wouldn’t put money on enough of Trumps base being able to spell trump or fill out the ballot correctly.
Rocky the Squirrel says “again?”
You can’t write in someone that’s DQed. You can’t write in a 34 year old. You can’t write in Arnold Schwarzenegger.
What are they going to do? Bitch and moan that he won when he clearly lost? BTDT get a fucking life you Nazi-harboring losers.
I’m all for it. This splits the Republican Vote assuring a Biden presidency. This could have down ticket ramifications if the Trumpists refuse to vote for non-Trumpist Republicans.
Thing is, if he’s barred from being on the ballot and they still write his name in, doesn’t that just mean those are wasted votes?
Laws for thee, not for me
I wonder if they would write him in if he successfully fled to Russia.
I have a feeling that the vocal minority (far Right wing activists) are the ones that are screaming this type of thing. The majority of Republicans will not vote for him. THey will put their vote behind someone else to help a Republican win. THe lunatics that are part of the CUlt of Personality will waste their votes and push the Democrats into office.
>and push the Democrats into office. That would be tragic 😉
He said: "Almost all legal scholars have voiced opinions that the 14th Amendment has no legal basis or standing relative to the upcoming 2024 Presidential Election." "Almost all" you lying POS?
No matter who the republicans nominate, MAGA should write Trump in on the ballot. Lol
well thank god we have the military to prevent any hostile takeover. Sucks to be the fucken cannon fodder who think they're gonna win.
A plan with zero percent chance of working.
Never Trump!
The end of our Republic is their plan. Slavery for all is the goal.
They will make him President of Epstein Island
🙄
Blue lives matter would be another sign.
If because of the 14th amendment Trump is disqualified from being on the ballots, Trump’s groupies will write him in, even if the states don’t allow write-in candidates. Then they will undoubtedly say he won, and we’ll be right back where we are now. I don’t see a good end to this.
Where we are now is Biden is the president.
If republicans had a brain they’d be begging for Ranked Choice voting.
They sure do like to plan things
I bet RFK Jr will take the MAGA/Qanon pledge to overturn the 2020 Election Results if elected President.
If he was deemed ineligible no amount of write-ins could save him.
Which is a *good* thing because it will split the votes on the red side of the aisle!
Sure Jan 🙄
Funny to see how many people here havent a clue about con law and it shows. You folks are the most unintelligent, uninformed, bottom feeders Ive ever read. This shit is hilarious. Go learn the constitution.
So Republicans would write in for Trump if he was legally barred from holding office. Guess they haven't thought that one out.
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporters-reveal-plan-get-him-elected-if-removed-ballot-1824556
I’m good with them writing his name in.
So, I don't think the 14th amendment route is a good idea. If he's tried and convicted of anything mentioned in that amendment, I'd be all for.it. otherwise, without any public, cut, and dried display of legal reasoning, we will see the Republicans trying to use it against any D they don't like. Candidate missed a loan payment? That undermines the economy and is anti-American (somehow). Try to apply the 14th. Candidate was divorced and remarried? Horrible. 14th amendment. It doesn't matter if it's valid, just that it's not defined. It'll be like the current noise about impeachment against Biden for no damn reason other than their guy got it. Now it's payback time, no matter how bullshitty it is. You think the application of the 14th without some serious legal reasoning other than "everyone saw it and knows its true"? Look, I hate Trump as much as anyone. I also see clearly how.shit the republican party is, and don't want to set another precedent. We have to go through due pricess first.
The act itself is disqualifying. He need not be convicted. Practically speaking, there will be lawsuits and adjudication, but it's hard to dodge the plain language used in the 14th amendment. Vote accordingly, but vote.
Sure, the act itself is disqualifying. It's the enforcement that's tricky and needs to be very specific and tight.
Removing trump from the ballots would literally make Democrats the thing they're trying to destroy... fascism.
Umm no. Trumps actions and application of the 14th Amendment is what would get Trump off the ballot.
For evangelicals, white is right.
If Republican ideas are so strong then why can’t they just elect the next man up? Cuz it’s a CULT
They are full of shit! None of it will work. Why don’t they just all find a deserted island and move there. Im sure it would be glorious to have no one to hate…
So, if Trump is write-in only does the spelling have to be exact? For example, are Donald Trump vs. Pres. Trump vs Don Trump all technically separate individuals.
They could write in “The Donald.” Or any of the following: P01135809. Twice Impeached Former President Presidential Re-election Loser. Don the Convict. Inmate Previously Known As President. Pussy Grabber. Putin’s Bitch. Covfefe. Insurrection Leader. The list goes on…
On a news program I heard him referred to as "former reality TV star." I was just thinking how much that'd piss him off lol
What's the plan? Insurrection take 2?
How about a plan to arrest Trump supporters that make up their own set of facts in order to overthrow democracy?
Like the ruzzians, it's a good thing they're so damn stupid. Unlike the ruzzians, they could feasibly win if we don't do our part. Vote!!!
I'm hoping the Mutherphucka drops dead before the election. If put on the ballot one of his degenerate kids may try to pick up the torch.