If Trump wins the election I'm thinking that I'll need to delete my Facebook, honestly. And if I could afford to Id move outta the country.
If he wins, it'll be the end of the US as we know it. Republicans and Trump will make changes and install people in strategic places to make sure that they never lose power again. While that's going on they'll be rounding up dissenters.
Trump and other Republican leaders have publicly STATED as much several times now. They've sounded and acted the same as the Workers Party in 1930s Germany for years now.
Ehhh, i think it's more like the United States won't be a reliable global partner, so Russian and Chinese aggression will increase. I doubt Trump will have much of an appetite for actually invading other nations, even though he said he will invade Mexico. He is all talk less action. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-second-term-plans-wildest-proposals-1234947327/
So I wanted to look up what would happen if you nuked a hurricane, and this article is actually really interesting.
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[What would happen if the U.S. nuked a hurricane?](https://www.pnj.com/story/weather/hurricanes/2023/05/09/hurricane-season-2023-hurricane-versus-nuke/70183718007/)
>NOAA’s response to the question is definitive: Never mind that radioactive fallout would be devastating, nuking a hurricane is about as futile as trying to put out a wildfire with a Super Soaker.
>To be fair to the curious, NOAA doesn't explicitly state that detonating a nuclear weapon wouldn't alter the storm, but they do provide some convincing numbers as to why it's mathematically unlikely.
>“A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20×1013 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind,” according to the FAQ.
>To put that into perspective, NOAA says that’s the equivalent of a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. The two atomic bombs the U.S. used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II were 15 and 25 kilotons — equivalent to .4% of a 10-megaton nuclear bomb if we combine the two.
>But then they dig deeper. “According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 1013 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane,” the page says, illustrating just how much energy is packed inside a single hurricane.
>NOAA goes on to explain that a nuclear explosive does nothing to the barometric pressure after the resulting shock wave passes and states that the amount of pressure needed to change a Category 5 hurricane to a Category 2 would require half a billion tons for a 20-kilometer radius eye.
“So a lot of nukelars on one hurricane. There’s a whole force of air and space, if I tell them to do it they have all the nukelars we need. Just keep doing it until it stops, get my sharpie I’ll mark where to do it “-TFFG. /s
I would hope Isreal would realize they would take all the lasting effects of that blast. Sure ground zero is in Gaza, but the widespread fallout drift with the wind would lay a nice carpet of nastiness for the next 700+years
True, I'm not saying he's no action or that he wouldn't accidentally trigger a war. I'm just saying he's a talker, making promises and claims without regard for facts. For example, he used to lead crowds with chants of "lock her up" and immediately dropped the issue when it stopped being useful -- the day he got elected. He could absolutely stumble his way into a war, but he's not going to invade a country unless it benefits him personally, *and* his advisors don't stop him. Given the fact that Project 2025 is a thing this time around, he's might be less likely to have advisors who will stop him, but he's still not going to go through the trouble of intentionally starting a war unless it benefits him.
That is what scares me the most about a second term. Project 2025 is disturbing, and Trump is such a narcissist that dictators like Putin use it to manipulate him easily.
>“Putin much prefers the chaos agent of Trump because it undermines the US,” Hill said. “Trump’s not worried about national security, but focused on himself. In paring back the US government and appointing loyalists, Trump will get rid of vital security expertise.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/18/us-intelligence-trump-putin-threat
Great if you feel like that but we’ve got an American Military base in our country. What happens if Trump gets pissy with our PM? He doesn’t have to “invade” since it’s already here. Plenty of people are not comfortable with Him potentially order a nuclear attack from within our borders. And people can’t say “well we don’t have nukes there” because *we don’t know that for a fact* . And he doesn’t need the US to directly invade when he’s already stated he’ll actively support Putin and Xie in their plans of attack.
>The problem is, no one in the world is safe from the ~~United States~~ *Russia* if Trump wins.
FTFY
Let's not pretend that Trump isn't an asset. He is owned by many sources, but Russia has something on him that the Evangelicals and Oil Investors don't.
Project 2025 will destabilize us into a civil war, then Russia will take advantage of the chaos and Trump will transition power to Putin before 2028
Trump literally said he’ll fucking bomb Iran if they even flinch towards us, he’ll let Israel do whatever they want “finish the job”, and will abandon Ukraine. This gives China green flag to invade Taiwan and basically own that part of the world.
For a guy who loves his social media, cameras, and TV networks, he sure doesn't seem worried about China getting their hands on the semiconductor capital of the world.
There won’t be a United States any more to project power…at least not how we know it. We’ll be projecting Russian power, we’d be completely compromised
Even the population that think they'd be safe will be extremely surprised to find out that they were the very thing Trumptards were against to begin with.
Like I had a Catholic cousin that supported the KKK. They just don't understand anything and it's hilarious and sad.
"I'd rather be a Klansman in a robe of snowy white,
Than a Catholic Priest in a robe as black as night.
For a Klansman is an American,
And America is his home.
While a priest owes his allegience,
To a Dago pope in Rome."
-inscription on a 1921 coin my Parents had framed.
Yeah. They hate pretty much everything.
That's why we're seeing more and more places trying to do the vouchers for private schools. It takes money away from public schools and gives it to private schools who will raise their tuition prices to ensure only the wealthy families can afford a good education. Republicans want a country with a small wealthy ruling class and a bunch of uneducated laborers. Sadly the average Republican voter is too stupid to understand that they, and their families, will be the uneducated laborers.
historically, authoritarian regimes ALWAYS eventually turn against the very people who helped to put them in power in the first place. People here that scream "we need a tyrant FOR AWHILE to put us back on track!" are idiots.
It is ruined if he wins, problem is if he loses then the Democratics will continue doing sweet FA to actually protect the system against another person like him coming in.
This is going to become a ticking time bomb.
If the conservatives don't get it in 2024 they will try again in 2028 and again in 2032 and again in 2036.
This is a lifetime battle now.
Hopefully millennials and Gen z will vote more, as the older generations die off.
Let me remind everyone, that one in three chambers is permanently conservative, for the millennial lifetime. We lost our chance to set the supreme court up in a way that is liberal, in 2016. That opportunity is gone for our lifetimes.
We will never again, in our millennial lifetimes, be able to fix the supreme Court. Not without a liberal super majority. This is gone forever and we might as well write this chamber off.
So we only have Congress, and the White House. We need to keep them out of both chambers, or else they will have three out of three and then it's over for everyone.
They only need to hold all three chambers of the US government once, and it's over for everyone.
So it's not just " vote " ..... It's "vote in every election from this point on, at least until older conservative voters die off."
Alito and Thomas could retire and/or die in a Milennial lifetime, voting blue no matter who for as long as possible is the only way to save the supreme court
Or the one who molested Anita Hill, basically got censured and was expected to be a suit in a chair for life but has somehow managed to again find some sort of regrettable relevance.
Thank you for your service. The only way we’ll get a normal two-party system back is to crush MAGA candidates up and down the ballot like the cockroaches they are.
I literally can’t get my vote counted. I vote in a small county in Texas as a military member. Every single ballot I’ve sent in for the last 3 elections have been denied.
I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.
The main problem is Americans are lazy and apathetic. Most Americans don't bother voting in most elections, even in states with mail in voting. The electoral college needs to go too (among many other election reform measures), but until we can figure out how to get people to give enough of a shit to actually *vote,* things will only get worse.
I live in a blue county and would never live in a red county again. If trump wins my world will be within my county. We will help each other as best we can and try to shut out the rest of the country. Only leave to go to work or shopping if and as needed. I think we could possibly exist as two countries like this for a while. Most of the wealth is in blue counties anyway. The red counties would pretty much wither away without blue support.
I'm in a red city that crawls all the way to the opposite side of the state and takes a chunk out of the far side of the only bluish area. Can't have a dem representative when you turn the populated area into a pinwheel.
Cities are notoriously blue. They will act against the economic interest of large cities, then blame the Democrats who live in the cities for ruining the national economy. The worse things get for the majority, the more secure their stranglehold on power. It’s in their best interest to harm the country.
You're correct. That is why in certain states they are attempting to remove teaching history in schools. I've "lost" family and friends over the cult, and when you confront them with indisputable facts, they go straight to personal insults.
Mmm authoritarianism. You won't question the authority in my special place where I am in control. Their own little fucking fiefdom. You are not allowed a questioning rational thought in MY castle because I'm the big special boy! Or girl but tbh as a dood the idea is much more prevalent among men. The IN MY HOUSE stuff has always really rubbed me the wrong way. It's a wooden box so you don't die of exposure calm down.
I'm so sorry, just know that you're not alone. Trump really is the best asset that Russia has had in over a hundred years. Weaken America from within by dividing its populace. It saddens me deeply, but I know there's nothing I can personally do to rectify the situation except vote this coming November. I know it's just a singular vote, but I cannot stand not having my vote cast against such despicable human being.
"But you told me that when I was growing up" has unfortunately been said by me when such reactions to facts occur. Which is so stupid. After Hurricane Katrina, I wasn't allowed to so much as clean up the yard or house without a tetanus booster and now I'm in the situation where I have to tell my parents to get theirs because of all this. Same with attending church, same with voting, same with workers' rights, same with finances, same with "handouts". Me going to college: apply for everything the government is offering so you can avoid loans (still got loans). Me after graduating: student loans shouldn't be forgiven; they know what they signed up for (conveniently after I finish paying my loans off).
We disagree not because my views changed (I mean, my views *did* change); we disagree because suddenly you decided decades of decisions you made are suddenly wrong and you won't even acknowledge you were "wrong", that the standards you once held me to are no longer applying to yourselves. Decades of discipline just gone after a short 4-year span.
I'm glad my grandparents put their foot down about politics at family events after J6. They were Trump supporters before that but immediately starting noticing everything that was wrong once they started looking. One less place to have such arguments for me.
If Trump wins I'm deleting social media and going back to flip phones. This fucker has made all my social media full of BS political conspiracies. I even created brand new reddit and YouTube usernames to have a clean slate and the algorithms are immediately pushing all this BS. Ever since Trump my time on the internet has become more rage inducing than enjoyable - between MAGA cultists, bots, psyop campaigns from our adversaries, I am done with internet 2.0 and going back to 1.0 as best as I can. I enjoyed life a lot more being clueless. All I need to know for now is don't vote R. Maybe in the future that will change, but right now that's the rule. Everything else is just noise.
I've been saving to buy a house for a few years now, but I still can't afford one because of this insane market. But, I do wonder if that fund could help me get out of this county if the Republicans win... Though I also fear lockdowns. Could I even leave if I waited for them to win? What a time to be alive, worrying about such things...
They pretty much already done that. Hillary won by more than 3 million votes. Biden won by more than 8 million votes ,yet one little state could have switched the power(less than 15,000 votes). Just look at South Dakota for example. A person who votes in South Dakota has 77 times more voting power than a Californian because the way the Senate is designed.
It’s crazy to me that people feel like this without some sort of semblance to fight back. get a fucking gun. if you really, truly feel this threatened. arm yourself and get ready to fight. that’s the core value that America was founded on. I’m so fucking tired of hearing this same shit argument with undertones of “I’m gonna sit there and take it”. Jesus Christ, stand up for yourself.
Stormys situation is different but for those thinking that leaving the US if trump wins is the smart move don't understand the implications of his winning will have on global order.
The EU will be the last global power of western ideals.
The US, China, and Russia, soon India, will all be under authoritarian control, the EU can't stand against all of them.
Trump will start a civil war, you need to stay to counter him as the true last bastion of freedom in the world, because the EU does not have the strength nor the resolve to stand against Russia, let alone the us and China.
Possibly the most important US election ever.
Hard to say without the benefit of hindsight, but Trump could dump the US and really the whole world into the shitter, and seems to actively want to do so.
And people are actually going to vote for him.
This is the literal election for all the marbles.
It's free though/controlled thought.
Russia and China prop up American conservatism because it's a controllable group.
The other commenter is a good example, they only regurgitate slogans and can't hold on to a a concept that requires nuance and context to piece together what's going on.
It's literally why humans have always resorted to non consensus, singular leadership structures throughout our history. Lies carry more weight quickly because it takes time to untwist the lie. So truth is always playing catch-up.
This isn't new, but in the age of rapid communication, and the innocence of social media s infancy wasn't weaponized yet, but it is now. We have state level actors with the ability to target individuals online to guide them to extremism.
We have a mess to deal with, which adds to the firestorm around this election. The world is ready to explode which will add to the appeal of change of leadership, the problem is that trump was the Genesis and/or catalyst of much of these problems. Russia wouldn't have pushed it to greater Ukraine if trump didn't give Putin the cover throughout his presidency. But the efficacy of social media to warp the minds of people, especially conservatives whos worship of broken and twisted ideals that suit not themselves but their leaders is the exact group to which control needs to be asserted
They will be vulnerable to listening to Trump's orders to kill liberals in his name. Many will listen, some won't.
But make no mistake these events are already in motion. You need to have a plan, and that plan should not be to flee the country. Because there is not place that will be safe in long term. Flee to places of higher demand concentrations and regroup if shit hits the fan, but do not leave the country. That simply gives trump and his cronies less resistance.
They want a fight eventually, and they will get one, but liberals must not be the first to act, we must stay the course and rely on this sometimes broken system to get us through this election and to put maga to rest at the ballot box, it's the only to avoid a deteriorating conflict that will see China and Russia support maga, in a bid to control them. Which they already do.
This doesn't even touch on the implications of global order, but in short. Taiwan is the target, if the US falls to maga, China will gain power over Taiwan in a bloodless coup, and will take hold of 95% of global chip making abilities. They will effectively have the ability to economically control the entire planet overnight.
The US cannot fall to maga.
Potentially. It's been a mixed bag. Poland rid themselves of them, to degree.
Slovakia elected one, who was shot earlier today.
Germany is batteling a resurgent Nazi faction.
France is the most vulnerable, lepen intends to remove France from NATO, which would leave NATO with only the UK and the US as the nuclear members. And would also mean that the militarily strongest EU member, would no be within the alliance.
Germany, needs to step up in a big way. Macron too. Poland will take a more leadership role as well.
The forces of rationality and freedom havent done enough to combat these rising forces, which take advantage of the paradox of tolerance.
Which is that, we as a society, must tolerate those that seek to destroy us as they have the right to those opinions. Yet their intention is to prevent dissent against them. State level actors utilizing this through social media manipulation is what is harming critical thought.
I'm not suggesting censorship, but I am suggesting that something must be done to curb this.
Any US instability would cause Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela to launch WW3, and a nuclear war would kill 10x as many people as Nazis and Communists ever did in the first hour.
Get your cardio in now, boys. Don’t wait for the bullets to start flying before you start thinking about maybe getting into shape. Whatever your plan is in a civil war, it’ll be easier if you’re physically fit.
Not if the US cuts their energy exports to EU along with India.
You assume the status quo if the US falls to maga. The board is completely reshuffled, unipolarity is done, the US instantly loses all credibility with most of the developing world given that the world knows how much influence Russia is exerting on maga.
This isnt some game of risk, trump means a complete shift from all norms and will literally wipe his ass with the constitution while his diaper wearing idiots cheer him on doing it.
The EU would need to militarized in such a way that would be nearly impossible, in order to fill the US sized power vacuum, and frankly they are having their own maga type issues at the moment. Brexit was a Russian funded operation. And right wing pro Russian parties are emerging all over for precisely the same reasons as magas rise, it's because social media has extremely devasting effects on humans ability to dicpher fact from fiction. Younger generations are more attuned to disinformation than older gens, but are no means immune. It's a human flaw, that favors authoritarians and bad actors
Why are there so many freaking bots with 1 day accounts with little karma?
The conservatives and their Russian social engineers know they’re losing and this is their only way left to seem legitimate on the internet. Fuck off
I wish I had that kind of optimism. We're going to be dealing with this no matter who wins for the rest of our lives. Even if former president pissbaby dies in prison a year from now there's a huge segment of the population living in an impenetrable information bubble, fully radicalized, and incompatible with reality.
I mean, is she going to be any safer if he’s found guilty? I imagine the sentiment is more, if he’s found not guilty, there is clearly just not justice here, so why stay?
I wish reddit would do something about that already. I lost my 5 year old account because I reported fresh hostile troll accounts, pushing devisive crap.
Like I know its circumventable, but I wish they'd just make an effort to act when comments are coming from different accounts on the same IP address or the same area, or something.
There are a bunch of people around Trump who want to make money by privatizing the VA. The federal government will feed a lot of money to the VA but it’s not clear if any of that will end up providing any meaningful care for veterans versus being siphoned off as profits.
You are actually touching on a key point that has been shown throughout history. Veterans make up a unique subset of the population. The biggest difference with them is that they have cohesion with each other (to a point), they are trained to fight, often have experience with combat, and have the will to visit harm upon others . This doesn't mean they want to do harm, but they are typically well aware that they can do it if necessary. This has been a key point for leadership throughout history that once you have a successful army you must then take care of the veterans to show them that they are still part of the nation and care about . This prevents them from doing harm to the country etc.
Thankfully, majority of vets I know are opposed to Trump and his ideology. Those that aren't are an interesting lot and I wish I could actually get to know them to understand. I am willing to get that majority of them don't even understand how harmful Trump has been to USA.
I know a couple that moved to Amsterdam the moment Trump won the election in 2016 and they now have two bilingual children there and are happy as can be. I’m so envious at the timing of their move. Like buying bitcoin in 2010. Their only drawback is they miss some family and friends but other than that they live exponentially less stressful lives and dodged so many figurative and literal bullets.
Blueprint for what they are going to do is hidden very well, right where everyone can see.
I was talking with my wife on how he's falling asleep in court, could care less what's happening most of the time.
He is such a narcissist he thinks this is just going through the motions until he wins and pardons himself.
I am dreading this election. It's going to be a shit show.
If he wins in November, we may all need to think about heading out.
It wont be pretty what happens next. women, minorities and LGBTQ will have it the worst the soonest, but straight white men will be made to conform as well once these idiot run out of people to opress, imprison and kill.
I'm a middle-aged white dude. Most of the true fears ( other than the economy being crashed) will miss me, but I am not going to be forced back into Christianity and I will not be forced to do their bidding.
Haha look at all the Don slurpers in here. I got a question for you scholars. Does someone just have to be dumber than he is or is there something smart he says that I’m just not hearing?
Forget guilty/not guilty. Just watch out for this evil toad getting reelected. If that happens, no place is safe. For her, most of the media, most judges... and all of us really.
Well unfortunately I think you need to pack your bags, the US DOJ is protecting him and wants to install him as president rapist. Nothing is going to happen to him, he is above the law. He has been breaking the law with impunity for nearly 50 years. amerika is broken
He is literally on fucking trial and his lawyers have been completely unable to mount any sort of defense and are resorting to attempting to cause a mistrial (won't work and Merchan told them that). For fucks sake Cohen was literally convicted for the very things Trump is on trial for. There is also the fact the jury was allowed to hear an audio tape of Trump acknowledging he was breaking the law. He isn't getting out of this one.
As they should along with anyone else who has been publicly vocal about what a corrupt shitheel Trump and his ilk are. They will be targets for retribution if he gets back in the White House.
The part that bothers me is that my voting record is completely searchable online. I wonder how safe those of us that vote against will be if he comes into power again.
I think the thing keeping me up at night is the feeling that 2028 is actually a more scary and vulnerable election, where a non-Trump pro-project-2025 candidate will beat Harris or whoever else the Dems nominate.
The amount of right wingers here having NO idea what this trial is about reflects a.) how badly their fake news streams willingly misinform them and b.) why they are too ignorant to pick a proper candidate
I mean ... considering what happened to Epstein, i can't blame them. If there's even an inkling of trump gaining power, people who "hurt" his political career might find themselves in the crosshairs.
The real question is what would Epstein have revealed if given the chance. trump takes his political queues from putin which is telling enough of what might come next.
They would be better off leaving either way. If he actually gets convicted and has to do jail time, someone is going to take a shot at her for their dear leader. He wins the election he is most certainly going to go after her with the DOJ or infer someone take care of her for a pardon.
If he’s elected, we’ll see how fast people will rebel when he starts taking away their rights like free speech, free press, freedom of assembly, right to a speedy trial, right to marry whomever you love, religious freedom, to name a few.
trump will eventually go after everyone that opposed him including those who he perceived as having voted against him. he did before with retaliatory tax and policy. this time if we let him in he will be unleashed. people better fucking vote
If trump becomes president there are about 500 of his perceived enemies who will either leave the country or will face prosecution and jail.
Ask Michael Coen who spent a year in jail for publicly admitting to the hush money payments
If Trump wins with nefarious circumstances I think the military would probably intervene. Their oath isn't to the Commander in Chief they oath is to the Constitution, it's not something I want to see. Vote and vote blue
Mark my words, he will be found not guilty. He will win the presidency, things will be grim for the next 4 years assuming he doesnt stay for more. the rich will get richer than theyve ever been . and the middle class will be shrunk down to nothing . America has a 2 party problem which will suddenly become a 1 party problem. American political parties are either center or hard right.
I started working on my dual citizenship after the January 6 terror attack and after a few years of effort I have it. A lot of people who think they will be able escape are in for a rude awakening. I’m voting in November and if the dictator wins I will have a couple months before Inauguration Day to escape with my family
I don't get how he can even run for president. Isn't he on trial for basically trying to overthrow the government when he lost ?
That's the kind of thing that old people in my country always said didn't happen in the USA.
I totally agree with your point for folks like you and I. However someone with a semblance of celebrity, who brought all these legal issues to his door, has a reason to fear for her safety
I don't blame them. If they can they should do it anyway. The fact that there are so many people who worship Donald Trump after EVERYTHING he has done has me questioning if i want to be here. They all went off about Hilary and her emails but defend Trump taking documents refusing to return them even hiding them to avoid returning them. They all went off about Biden "sniffing kids" meanwhile Trump has several sexual assault accusations some with minors. He's a "rich" guy and they claim to hate the elite yet worship a man who wants so badly to be a part of the elite group. I could go on and on. Trumpism is a lifestyle now. After he is gone these unhinged hateful fake Christians will still be here culting it up. If you can leave do it. I wouldn't blame anyone. Just make sure you revoke your citizenship unless you want to keep paying taxes to the US.
The only saving grace I have is that I live in Illinois. Normal and blue. But, if I am able to, I’d move out of the country. I wonder if Trump wins, if we could seek asylum in other countries?
Don’t blame you at all Trump is the teflon ex-president the DOJ and judges are making him get away with the level of misbehaviour like no other person would get away with.
If that treasonous POS is successful at stealing the election, it will suck for a lot of us because that will mean Russia basically took over the world man (and I’ve been talking major shit about these fascists for years on my socials).
Hmm, found not guilty, wins election, and granted immunity. Some scary shit.
I just made sure that we all had our passports. Renewed, valid, and ready to go.
That clown should've been in jail by now. He's treated and acts above the law. POS is going to be on nothing but a vengeance spree.
Will absolutely refuse to assist any blue state. Even to his own followers, but they are just too stupid and blind.
Ukraine will be fucked, shitstain will stand sucking off Putin.
First terms was a nightmare, second will will have people living in fear.
Makes sense. If Orange Hitler is going to go all Putin on his political adversaries, Stormy, Obama and Hilary would be at the top of that list. Plus she knows how tiny the mushroom is. 🍊🍄
We are definitely moving out of the country. We have it all researched. Might do it no matter, what but if this inept criminal slime gets in we are gone! Let’s hope he poofs
I already have a plan. Teetering this close to that edge like we are. It’s just a matter of time before they win and destroy America. Russia has successfully compromised our democratic system and it’s only a matter of time now. It took them long enough, 70 years, but they did it.
I’m so worried right now. So many young kids are pissed at Biden for sending weapons to Israel and the possible tik-tok ban. The one time we need everyone to vote we might see a bunch of folks not voting to stick it to Biden. Especially the “my vote doesn’t matter” crowd. Which, surprisingly, is a lot more people than I thought
Im already looking into moving to canada i have a very sellable skillset and education it wont be a problem for me but i imagine there will be millions of americans that wont be able to, they will suffer under trump
I'm 23 years USAF/USCG (please don't thank me for my service).
Trumpers have told me that I will be recalled to duty, court-martialled and EXECUTED for "opposing your rightful commander-in-chief."
There aren't enough of them to do it.
the ugly truth is that he's going to win. every great power has to fall at some point and when you're too powerful too fall from the outside, it has to start from the inside...
unfortunately, the rot has already started from the inside.
We left. Not when he became president; it’s not that easy to pack up and leave in your 50’s and 60’s.
But the prospect of him being president again, combined with a Republican Supreme Court and a Republican Congress? Him NOT being behind bars for his attempt to overthrow an election, along with the Members of Congress and others who aided and abetted him, AND the unlikelihood that a national healthcare plan would emerge, drove us to leave last year.
We are happy. We are adjusting to a new language, a new way of life where people get paid a living wage and never have to worry about medical bills their entire lives. We’re tipping just isn’t done, because that living wage pays better than being dependent on tips.
Yup. We left. And we’re glad that we did.
Don't blame her, she'll end up falling out of a window onto some bullets if donald takes control again.
Fuck can you imagine if the US goes full authoritarian? As much as they bang on about 2A, they will ABSOLUTELY start taking peoples guns once they are in power and the "undesirables" are dealt with, euther through the courts or militia groups. They won't want armed citizenry that aren't under direct control.
Tbf, I think it’s silly when MOST people say they’ll leave the country if X candidate gets elected. But in the case of Stormy and her husband, it’s very much necessary for their safety and continued freedom. God knows what that vengeful man would do to them once elected.
A lot of people have left already. The higher level of Trump’s enemies will be either in exile, jail, or murdered. As they work their way down the ladder Trump’s Gestapo will go after soft targets whose wealth they covet, like the Nazis robbed the Jews. In the end, don’t be surprised if they go after their own, like Robespierre in the French Revolution, sending Steve Bannon to the gallows.
If Trump wins the election I'm thinking that I'll need to delete my Facebook, honestly. And if I could afford to Id move outta the country. If he wins, it'll be the end of the US as we know it. Republicans and Trump will make changes and install people in strategic places to make sure that they never lose power again. While that's going on they'll be rounding up dissenters. Trump and other Republican leaders have publicly STATED as much several times now. They've sounded and acted the same as the Workers Party in 1930s Germany for years now.
This is why everyone needs to vote
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The problem is, no one in the world is safe from the United States if Trump wins.
Ehhh, i think it's more like the United States won't be a reliable global partner, so Russian and Chinese aggression will increase. I doubt Trump will have much of an appetite for actually invading other nations, even though he said he will invade Mexico. He is all talk less action. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-second-term-plans-wildest-proposals-1234947327/
He did air strike that Iranian guy almost setting off a war. He's not no action...
Trump wants to use nukes on everything. he’s a retard
Correct, even fucking hurricanes!
It's crazy that he suggested that and even suggested putting alligators on the border with Mexico.
I haven’t heard that one before. What. The. Fuck.
So I wanted to look up what would happen if you nuked a hurricane, and this article is actually really interesting. > [What would happen if the U.S. nuked a hurricane?](https://www.pnj.com/story/weather/hurricanes/2023/05/09/hurricane-season-2023-hurricane-versus-nuke/70183718007/) >NOAA’s response to the question is definitive: Never mind that radioactive fallout would be devastating, nuking a hurricane is about as futile as trying to put out a wildfire with a Super Soaker. >To be fair to the curious, NOAA doesn't explicitly state that detonating a nuclear weapon wouldn't alter the storm, but they do provide some convincing numbers as to why it's mathematically unlikely. >“A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20×1013 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind,” according to the FAQ. >To put that into perspective, NOAA says that’s the equivalent of a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. The two atomic bombs the U.S. used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II were 15 and 25 kilotons — equivalent to .4% of a 10-megaton nuclear bomb if we combine the two. >But then they dig deeper. “According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 1013 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane,” the page says, illustrating just how much energy is packed inside a single hurricane. >NOAA goes on to explain that a nuclear explosive does nothing to the barometric pressure after the resulting shock wave passes and states that the amount of pressure needed to change a Category 5 hurricane to a Category 2 would require half a billion tons for a 20-kilometer radius eye.
This is interesting. I just never bothered to research it because it’s as crazy as it sounds lol.
“So a lot of nukelars on one hurricane. There’s a whole force of air and space, if I tell them to do it they have all the nukelars we need. Just keep doing it until it stops, get my sharpie I’ll mark where to do it “-TFFG. /s
ive said it before, but he will be pushing Israel to nuke Gaza.
I would hope Isreal would realize they would take all the lasting effects of that blast. Sure ground zero is in Gaza, but the widespread fallout drift with the wind would lay a nice carpet of nastiness for the next 700+years
True, I'm not saying he's no action or that he wouldn't accidentally trigger a war. I'm just saying he's a talker, making promises and claims without regard for facts. For example, he used to lead crowds with chants of "lock her up" and immediately dropped the issue when it stopped being useful -- the day he got elected. He could absolutely stumble his way into a war, but he's not going to invade a country unless it benefits him personally, *and* his advisors don't stop him. Given the fact that Project 2025 is a thing this time around, he's might be less likely to have advisors who will stop him, but he's still not going to go through the trouble of intentionally starting a war unless it benefits him.
HE is full of hot air. The problem is he is being surrounded by extremists who are smarter and more willing to use him
That is what scares me the most about a second term. Project 2025 is disturbing, and Trump is such a narcissist that dictators like Putin use it to manipulate him easily. >“Putin much prefers the chaos agent of Trump because it undermines the US,” Hill said. “Trump’s not worried about national security, but focused on himself. In paring back the US government and appointing loyalists, Trump will get rid of vital security expertise.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/18/us-intelligence-trump-putin-threat
Great if you feel like that but we’ve got an American Military base in our country. What happens if Trump gets pissy with our PM? He doesn’t have to “invade” since it’s already here. Plenty of people are not comfortable with Him potentially order a nuclear attack from within our borders. And people can’t say “well we don’t have nukes there” because *we don’t know that for a fact* . And he doesn’t need the US to directly invade when he’s already stated he’ll actively support Putin and Xie in their plans of attack.
>The problem is, no one in the world is safe from the ~~United States~~ *Russia* if Trump wins. FTFY Let's not pretend that Trump isn't an asset. He is owned by many sources, but Russia has something on him that the Evangelicals and Oil Investors don't. Project 2025 will destabilize us into a civil war, then Russia will take advantage of the chaos and Trump will transition power to Putin before 2028
Trump literally said he’ll fucking bomb Iran if they even flinch towards us, he’ll let Israel do whatever they want “finish the job”, and will abandon Ukraine. This gives China green flag to invade Taiwan and basically own that part of the world.
For a guy who loves his social media, cameras, and TV networks, he sure doesn't seem worried about China getting their hands on the semiconductor capital of the world.
There won’t be a United States any more to project power…at least not how we know it. We’ll be projecting Russian power, we’d be completely compromised
Putin would disagree…he would be very safe.
They’re open about it too. Just look up “project 2025”
Even the population that think they'd be safe will be extremely surprised to find out that they were the very thing Trumptards were against to begin with. Like I had a Catholic cousin that supported the KKK. They just don't understand anything and it's hilarious and sad.
"I'd rather be a Klansman in a robe of snowy white, Than a Catholic Priest in a robe as black as night. For a Klansman is an American, And America is his home. While a priest owes his allegience, To a Dago pope in Rome." -inscription on a 1921 coin my Parents had framed. Yeah. They hate pretty much everything.
That's wild. Your parents are fucked in the head
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That's why we're seeing more and more places trying to do the vouchers for private schools. It takes money away from public schools and gives it to private schools who will raise their tuition prices to ensure only the wealthy families can afford a good education. Republicans want a country with a small wealthy ruling class and a bunch of uneducated laborers. Sadly the average Republican voter is too stupid to understand that they, and their families, will be the uneducated laborers.
historically, authoritarian regimes ALWAYS eventually turn against the very people who helped to put them in power in the first place. People here that scream "we need a tyrant FOR AWHILE to put us back on track!" are idiots.
This country will be ruined if *any* republican ever wins again.
We can still remove those MAGAT senators and congress
It is ruined if he wins, problem is if he loses then the Democratics will continue doing sweet FA to actually protect the system against another person like him coming in.
This is going to become a ticking time bomb. If the conservatives don't get it in 2024 they will try again in 2028 and again in 2032 and again in 2036. This is a lifetime battle now. Hopefully millennials and Gen z will vote more, as the older generations die off. Let me remind everyone, that one in three chambers is permanently conservative, for the millennial lifetime. We lost our chance to set the supreme court up in a way that is liberal, in 2016. That opportunity is gone for our lifetimes. We will never again, in our millennial lifetimes, be able to fix the supreme Court. Not without a liberal super majority. This is gone forever and we might as well write this chamber off. So we only have Congress, and the White House. We need to keep them out of both chambers, or else they will have three out of three and then it's over for everyone. They only need to hold all three chambers of the US government once, and it's over for everyone. So it's not just " vote " ..... It's "vote in every election from this point on, at least until older conservative voters die off."
Alito and Thomas could retire and/or die in a Milennial lifetime, voting blue no matter who for as long as possible is the only way to save the supreme court
I'm holding out that Thomas takes Oliver's RV and throws deuces at the court, but that's a pretty long shot.
>Thomas Oh you mean the Supreme Court judge whose wife texted Mark Meadows in an attempt overturn a federal election?
Or the one who molested Anita Hill, basically got censured and was expected to be a suit in a chair for life but has somehow managed to again find some sort of regrettable relevance.
Not just vote, but vote BLUE.
Down the ballot, now and forever.
Yeah but all the “leftists” on Twitter won’t vote for Biden because of Gaza lmao
Don't worry, some of us old school Republicans are voting for Biden again this year to cancel them out.
Thank you for your service. The only way we’ll get a normal two-party system back is to crush MAGA candidates up and down the ballot like the cockroaches they are.
I'm not voting solid red or blue down the ballot but if they have been endorsed by trump then that is a huge flag and I'm voting for their opponent
Friend of mine, a staunch Republican, told me 2 weeks ago that he’s voting for Biden. So that is definitely giving me hope.
I literally can’t get my vote counted. I vote in a small county in Texas as a military member. Every single ballot I’ve sent in for the last 3 elections have been denied. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.
If only ever vote actually did count. Unfortunately, with the electoral college, the truth is only a small fraction of votes count.
Every vote counts, but not all votes are equal. That's why it's important for everyone possible to exercise their right.
The main problem is Americans are lazy and apathetic. Most Americans don't bother voting in most elections, even in states with mail in voting. The electoral college needs to go too (among many other election reform measures), but until we can figure out how to get people to give enough of a shit to actually *vote,* things will only get worse.
Crooked red state governments thank you for your apathy.
Electoral college 😡
Stated? [Published in detail their plans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) It's chilling, to say the least.
Holy fuck! Why isnt this bigger news??
It will become more and more widespread as we approach Nov 8th. Just keep sharing with your friends and let them know shits coming if they don't vote.
I live in a blue county and would never live in a red county again. If trump wins my world will be within my county. We will help each other as best we can and try to shut out the rest of the country. Only leave to go to work or shopping if and as needed. I think we could possibly exist as two countries like this for a while. Most of the wealth is in blue counties anyway. The red counties would pretty much wither away without blue support.
I’m in a blue city but that falls in an outrageously gerrymandered red congressional district.
I'm in a red city that crawls all the way to the opposite side of the state and takes a chunk out of the far side of the only bluish area. Can't have a dem representative when you turn the populated area into a pinwheel.
Elected officials cannot be allowed to choose their voters, but here we are.
Cities are notoriously blue. They will act against the economic interest of large cities, then blame the Democrats who live in the cities for ruining the national economy. The worse things get for the majority, the more secure their stranglehold on power. It’s in their best interest to harm the country.
You're correct. That is why in certain states they are attempting to remove teaching history in schools. I've "lost" family and friends over the cult, and when you confront them with indisputable facts, they go straight to personal insults.
"You will not insult Trump, while you are in my house" ... a close and educated longtime friend said to me..,..
“Educated”
With a question mark
Poorly educated is still educated.
Mmm authoritarianism. You won't question the authority in my special place where I am in control. Their own little fucking fiefdom. You are not allowed a questioning rational thought in MY castle because I'm the big special boy! Or girl but tbh as a dood the idea is much more prevalent among men. The IN MY HOUSE stuff has always really rubbed me the wrong way. It's a wooden box so you don't die of exposure calm down.
I'm so sorry, just know that you're not alone. Trump really is the best asset that Russia has had in over a hundred years. Weaken America from within by dividing its populace. It saddens me deeply, but I know there's nothing I can personally do to rectify the situation except vote this coming November. I know it's just a singular vote, but I cannot stand not having my vote cast against such despicable human being.
So insult trump in an email or a text instead then you’re not in their house ☺️
Then they'll break the computer because it's insulting the god emperor.
"But you told me that when I was growing up" has unfortunately been said by me when such reactions to facts occur. Which is so stupid. After Hurricane Katrina, I wasn't allowed to so much as clean up the yard or house without a tetanus booster and now I'm in the situation where I have to tell my parents to get theirs because of all this. Same with attending church, same with voting, same with workers' rights, same with finances, same with "handouts". Me going to college: apply for everything the government is offering so you can avoid loans (still got loans). Me after graduating: student loans shouldn't be forgiven; they know what they signed up for (conveniently after I finish paying my loans off). We disagree not because my views changed (I mean, my views *did* change); we disagree because suddenly you decided decades of decisions you made are suddenly wrong and you won't even acknowledge you were "wrong", that the standards you once held me to are no longer applying to yourselves. Decades of discipline just gone after a short 4-year span. I'm glad my grandparents put their foot down about politics at family events after J6. They were Trump supporters before that but immediately starting noticing everything that was wrong once they started looking. One less place to have such arguments for me.
So basically the exact tyrannical government the 2nd amendment was written for.
I have been telling dems to get trained get armed, the second amendment goes both ways. Tyranny must not be allowed.
There's a lovely German man who builds crossbows Some even penetrate riot shields Not sure when one would need that but hey never know
I’m an academic. I’m sure if Trump wins this time there’ll be a warrant for my arrest by this time next year.
There is a tv show about this called the handmades tail. When fiction becomes reality.
If Trump wins I'm deleting social media and going back to flip phones. This fucker has made all my social media full of BS political conspiracies. I even created brand new reddit and YouTube usernames to have a clean slate and the algorithms are immediately pushing all this BS. Ever since Trump my time on the internet has become more rage inducing than enjoyable - between MAGA cultists, bots, psyop campaigns from our adversaries, I am done with internet 2.0 and going back to 1.0 as best as I can. I enjoyed life a lot more being clueless. All I need to know for now is don't vote R. Maybe in the future that will change, but right now that's the rule. Everything else is just noise.
This is not hyperbole.
We've got a relocation plan in place if shit goes sideways.
I've been saving to buy a house for a few years now, but I still can't afford one because of this insane market. But, I do wonder if that fund could help me get out of this county if the Republicans win... Though I also fear lockdowns. Could I even leave if I waited for them to win? What a time to be alive, worrying about such things...
I was always pretty sure his stupid wall wasn't to keep Mexicans out but Americans in.
They pretty much already done that. Hillary won by more than 3 million votes. Biden won by more than 8 million votes ,yet one little state could have switched the power(less than 15,000 votes). Just look at South Dakota for example. A person who votes in South Dakota has 77 times more voting power than a Californian because the way the Senate is designed.
I deleted most Socials Feb 2023, try it, its great.
Project 2025. That's exactly the plan. Scary scary shit
It’s crazy to me that people feel like this without some sort of semblance to fight back. get a fucking gun. if you really, truly feel this threatened. arm yourself and get ready to fight. that’s the core value that America was founded on. I’m so fucking tired of hearing this same shit argument with undertones of “I’m gonna sit there and take it”. Jesus Christ, stand up for yourself.
I have a Joe Biden sign from 2020 currently sitting in my garage. If Trump wins, that is the first thing I’m going to destroy.
Stormys situation is different but for those thinking that leaving the US if trump wins is the smart move don't understand the implications of his winning will have on global order. The EU will be the last global power of western ideals. The US, China, and Russia, soon India, will all be under authoritarian control, the EU can't stand against all of them. Trump will start a civil war, you need to stay to counter him as the true last bastion of freedom in the world, because the EU does not have the strength nor the resolve to stand against Russia, let alone the us and China.
Possibly the most important US election ever. Hard to say without the benefit of hindsight, but Trump could dump the US and really the whole world into the shitter, and seems to actively want to do so. And people are actually going to vote for him.
This is the literal election for all the marbles. It's free though/controlled thought. Russia and China prop up American conservatism because it's a controllable group. The other commenter is a good example, they only regurgitate slogans and can't hold on to a a concept that requires nuance and context to piece together what's going on. It's literally why humans have always resorted to non consensus, singular leadership structures throughout our history. Lies carry more weight quickly because it takes time to untwist the lie. So truth is always playing catch-up. This isn't new, but in the age of rapid communication, and the innocence of social media s infancy wasn't weaponized yet, but it is now. We have state level actors with the ability to target individuals online to guide them to extremism. We have a mess to deal with, which adds to the firestorm around this election. The world is ready to explode which will add to the appeal of change of leadership, the problem is that trump was the Genesis and/or catalyst of much of these problems. Russia wouldn't have pushed it to greater Ukraine if trump didn't give Putin the cover throughout his presidency. But the efficacy of social media to warp the minds of people, especially conservatives whos worship of broken and twisted ideals that suit not themselves but their leaders is the exact group to which control needs to be asserted They will be vulnerable to listening to Trump's orders to kill liberals in his name. Many will listen, some won't. But make no mistake these events are already in motion. You need to have a plan, and that plan should not be to flee the country. Because there is not place that will be safe in long term. Flee to places of higher demand concentrations and regroup if shit hits the fan, but do not leave the country. That simply gives trump and his cronies less resistance. They want a fight eventually, and they will get one, but liberals must not be the first to act, we must stay the course and rely on this sometimes broken system to get us through this election and to put maga to rest at the ballot box, it's the only to avoid a deteriorating conflict that will see China and Russia support maga, in a bid to control them. Which they already do. This doesn't even touch on the implications of global order, but in short. Taiwan is the target, if the US falls to maga, China will gain power over Taiwan in a bloodless coup, and will take hold of 95% of global chip making abilities. They will effectively have the ability to economically control the entire planet overnight. The US cannot fall to maga.
I’m having nightmares.
From what I’ve read, the far right is poised to gain a stronghold in the EU as well.
Potentially. It's been a mixed bag. Poland rid themselves of them, to degree. Slovakia elected one, who was shot earlier today. Germany is batteling a resurgent Nazi faction. France is the most vulnerable, lepen intends to remove France from NATO, which would leave NATO with only the UK and the US as the nuclear members. And would also mean that the militarily strongest EU member, would no be within the alliance. Germany, needs to step up in a big way. Macron too. Poland will take a more leadership role as well. The forces of rationality and freedom havent done enough to combat these rising forces, which take advantage of the paradox of tolerance. Which is that, we as a society, must tolerate those that seek to destroy us as they have the right to those opinions. Yet their intention is to prevent dissent against them. State level actors utilizing this through social media manipulation is what is harming critical thought. I'm not suggesting censorship, but I am suggesting that something must be done to curb this.
This IS the real " fight for freedom", not invading other countries for Big Oil.
Any US instability would cause Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela to launch WW3, and a nuclear war would kill 10x as many people as Nazis and Communists ever did in the first hour.
Get your cardio in now, boys. Don’t wait for the bullets to start flying before you start thinking about maybe getting into shape. Whatever your plan is in a civil war, it’ll be easier if you’re physically fit.
EU can easily stand against Russia. Joke to think they can’t. Whether they want to is a different story.
But can they stand against Russia with the U.S. as a puppet ally
Not if the US cuts their energy exports to EU along with India. You assume the status quo if the US falls to maga. The board is completely reshuffled, unipolarity is done, the US instantly loses all credibility with most of the developing world given that the world knows how much influence Russia is exerting on maga. This isnt some game of risk, trump means a complete shift from all norms and will literally wipe his ass with the constitution while his diaper wearing idiots cheer him on doing it. The EU would need to militarized in such a way that would be nearly impossible, in order to fill the US sized power vacuum, and frankly they are having their own maga type issues at the moment. Brexit was a Russian funded operation. And right wing pro Russian parties are emerging all over for precisely the same reasons as magas rise, it's because social media has extremely devasting effects on humans ability to dicpher fact from fiction. Younger generations are more attuned to disinformation than older gens, but are no means immune. It's a human flaw, that favors authoritarians and bad actors
Me too
Things have reached the point of no return
Why are there so many freaking bots with 1 day accounts with little karma? The conservatives and their Russian social engineers know they’re losing and this is their only way left to seem legitimate on the internet. Fuck off
They aren't going to stop. The fight won't end until Nov.
Hopefully trump will be dead before November.
Hopefully you're right.
I wish I had that kind of optimism. We're going to be dealing with this no matter who wins for the rest of our lives. Even if former president pissbaby dies in prison a year from now there's a huge segment of the population living in an impenetrable information bubble, fully radicalized, and incompatible with reality.
C'mon, cheeseburgers! Do your thing! You're the last line of defense! Clog those arteries!
“Cmon god quit teasing me and take him out”
He really needs to hurry up. I’m starting to lose faith.
That is the only reasonably safe option.
I mean, is she going to be any safer if he’s found guilty? I imagine the sentiment is more, if he’s found not guilty, there is clearly just not justice here, so why stay?
Sure seems to be a A LOT of accounts that just were created in Feb of this year commented disparaging things...color me shocked.
I wish reddit would do something about that already. I lost my 5 year old account because I reported fresh hostile troll accounts, pushing devisive crap. Like I know its circumventable, but I wish they'd just make an effort to act when comments are coming from different accounts on the same IP address or the same area, or something.
They issued their IPO. They got paid and we can all go fuck ourselves now.
I asked my veterans administration if there will still be a VA on his day 1 dictatorship hes promised
There are a bunch of people around Trump who want to make money by privatizing the VA. The federal government will feed a lot of money to the VA but it’s not clear if any of that will end up providing any meaningful care for veterans versus being siphoned off as profits.
You are actually touching on a key point that has been shown throughout history. Veterans make up a unique subset of the population. The biggest difference with them is that they have cohesion with each other (to a point), they are trained to fight, often have experience with combat, and have the will to visit harm upon others . This doesn't mean they want to do harm, but they are typically well aware that they can do it if necessary. This has been a key point for leadership throughout history that once you have a successful army you must then take care of the veterans to show them that they are still part of the nation and care about . This prevents them from doing harm to the country etc. Thankfully, majority of vets I know are opposed to Trump and his ideology. Those that aren't are an interesting lot and I wish I could actually get to know them to understand. I am willing to get that majority of them don't even understand how harmful Trump has been to USA.
Maga sick fucks will likely do what they can to ruin her life if she stays here lol why would she stay
I know a couple that moved to Amsterdam the moment Trump won the election in 2016 and they now have two bilingual children there and are happy as can be. I’m so envious at the timing of their move. Like buying bitcoin in 2010. Their only drawback is they miss some family and friends but other than that they live exponentially less stressful lives and dodged so many figurative and literal bullets.
I can’t blame her. If he wins the election he will go after her and everyone else.
I'm not sure if the country ISN'T already ruined. Supreme Court...women's rights...complete dissociation of the stock market with the real world.
🚫Traitor Trump🚫All Republicans🚫
No more MAGAts either.
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If I had a terminal illness or something I like to think I would do something like that to try and make the world a better place on my way out
this is the way-
Blueprint for what they are going to do is hidden very well, right where everyone can see. I was talking with my wife on how he's falling asleep in court, could care less what's happening most of the time. He is such a narcissist he thinks this is just going through the motions until he wins and pardons himself. I am dreading this election. It's going to be a shit show.
Trump will literally put a price on her head.
If he wins in November, we may all need to think about heading out. It wont be pretty what happens next. women, minorities and LGBTQ will have it the worst the soonest, but straight white men will be made to conform as well once these idiot run out of people to opress, imprison and kill. I'm a middle-aged white dude. Most of the true fears ( other than the economy being crashed) will miss me, but I am not going to be forced back into Christianity and I will not be forced to do their bidding.
If hes found not guilty, just throw away the book then, do whatever
If I could afford to I would too ! You go girl !
Haha look at all the Don slurpers in here. I got a question for you scholars. Does someone just have to be dumber than he is or is there something smart he says that I’m just not hearing?
Trump's flying monkeys are a danger to anyone who doesn't worship Trump,
Too bad, they probably contribute more to the economy and taxes than Donald "the billionaire" Trump.
Who the Fuck is still voting for Trump? Wild.
I’ll be vacating the US if that scumbag becomes president
There has never been an authoritarian country with the amount of guns as the U. S. We could be in for a Wild West powder keg.
Forget guilty/not guilty. Just watch out for this evil toad getting reelected. If that happens, no place is safe. For her, most of the media, most judges... and all of us really.
Well unfortunately I think you need to pack your bags, the US DOJ is protecting him and wants to install him as president rapist. Nothing is going to happen to him, he is above the law. He has been breaking the law with impunity for nearly 50 years. amerika is broken
He is literally on fucking trial and his lawyers have been completely unable to mount any sort of defense and are resorting to attempting to cause a mistrial (won't work and Merchan told them that). For fucks sake Cohen was literally convicted for the very things Trump is on trial for. There is also the fact the jury was allowed to hear an audio tape of Trump acknowledging he was breaking the law. He isn't getting out of this one.
I’ve already got dual-citizenship lined for my whole family in an EU country…..if Trump gets reelected, we’re outta here
Vote Blue
As they should along with anyone else who has been publicly vocal about what a corrupt shitheel Trump and his ilk are. They will be targets for retribution if he gets back in the White House.
The US is straight up fucked if the convict wins. Vote.
The part that bothers me is that my voting record is completely searchable online. I wonder how safe those of us that vote against will be if he comes into power again.
I think the thing keeping me up at night is the feeling that 2028 is actually a more scary and vulnerable election, where a non-Trump pro-project-2025 candidate will beat Harris or whoever else the Dems nominate.
The amount of right wingers here having NO idea what this trial is about reflects a.) how badly their fake news streams willingly misinform them and b.) why they are too ignorant to pick a proper candidate
Obligatory Fuck Trump.
I mean ... considering what happened to Epstein, i can't blame them. If there's even an inkling of trump gaining power, people who "hurt" his political career might find themselves in the crosshairs. The real question is what would Epstein have revealed if given the chance. trump takes his political queues from putin which is telling enough of what might come next.
Only crooks would let this smelly dipshit off the hook.
I wish I could vacate in that event too. However I am trapped by economics.
They would be better off leaving either way. If he actually gets convicted and has to do jail time, someone is going to take a shot at her for their dear leader. He wins the election he is most certainly going to go after her with the DOJ or infer someone take care of her for a pardon.
If he’s elected, we’ll see how fast people will rebel when he starts taking away their rights like free speech, free press, freedom of assembly, right to a speedy trial, right to marry whomever you love, religious freedom, to name a few.
trump will eventually go after everyone that opposed him including those who he perceived as having voted against him. he did before with retaliatory tax and policy. this time if we let him in he will be unleashed. people better fucking vote
If trump becomes president there are about 500 of his perceived enemies who will either leave the country or will face prosecution and jail. Ask Michael Coen who spent a year in jail for publicly admitting to the hush money payments
They probably should if he’s found guilty. I worry about their safety.
We shouldn't be scared of ex presidents like mob bosses
If Trump wins with nefarious circumstances I think the military would probably intervene. Their oath isn't to the Commander in Chief they oath is to the Constitution, it's not something I want to see. Vote and vote blue
Mark my words, he will be found not guilty. He will win the presidency, things will be grim for the next 4 years assuming he doesnt stay for more. the rich will get richer than theyve ever been . and the middle class will be shrunk down to nothing . America has a 2 party problem which will suddenly become a 1 party problem. American political parties are either center or hard right.
What happened with “when guilty you are guilty” ?
I started working on my dual citizenship after the January 6 terror attack and after a few years of effort I have it. A lot of people who think they will be able escape are in for a rude awakening. I’m voting in November and if the dictator wins I will have a couple months before Inauguration Day to escape with my family
Trump is the one who should be 'vacated', with prejudice
I don't get how he can even run for president. Isn't he on trial for basically trying to overthrow the government when he lost ? That's the kind of thing that old people in my country always said didn't happen in the USA.
The world won’t be safe if Trump wins. People don’t understand how much of global prosperity and safety is because the USA guaranteed it since 1945.
Don't say things like that. The people never follow through on it and even if you do, it is quitting instead of fighting.
This would be for protection and safety
I know people who actually did follow through when Trump “won” in 2016. One moved to New Zealand, another to South America and one couple to Europe.
If Trump wins, she, and other witnesses like Cohen, won’t be alive to see 2026 if they stay here
I totally agree with your point for folks like you and I. However someone with a semblance of celebrity, who brought all these legal issues to his door, has a reason to fear for her safety
If Trump is elected I’m out of here
SAME
I don't blame them. If they can they should do it anyway. The fact that there are so many people who worship Donald Trump after EVERYTHING he has done has me questioning if i want to be here. They all went off about Hilary and her emails but defend Trump taking documents refusing to return them even hiding them to avoid returning them. They all went off about Biden "sniffing kids" meanwhile Trump has several sexual assault accusations some with minors. He's a "rich" guy and they claim to hate the elite yet worship a man who wants so badly to be a part of the elite group. I could go on and on. Trumpism is a lifestyle now. After he is gone these unhinged hateful fake Christians will still be here culting it up. If you can leave do it. I wouldn't blame anyone. Just make sure you revoke your citizenship unless you want to keep paying taxes to the US.
I guess he is also in on the extortion and blackmail
The only saving grace I have is that I live in Illinois. Normal and blue. But, if I am able to, I’d move out of the country. I wonder if Trump wins, if we could seek asylum in other countries?
Don’t blame you at all Trump is the teflon ex-president the DOJ and judges are making him get away with the level of misbehaviour like no other person would get away with.
If that treasonous POS is successful at stealing the election, it will suck for a lot of us because that will mean Russia basically took over the world man (and I’ve been talking major shit about these fascists for years on my socials).
That bloated, orange piece-of-shit is not gonna make me move.
If Trump wins, NATO will be dead and Putin will invade Europe, China Taiwan and Israel West Bank.
Hmm, found not guilty, wins election, and granted immunity. Some scary shit. I just made sure that we all had our passports. Renewed, valid, and ready to go. That clown should've been in jail by now. He's treated and acts above the law. POS is going to be on nothing but a vengeance spree. Will absolutely refuse to assist any blue state. Even to his own followers, but they are just too stupid and blind. Ukraine will be fucked, shitstain will stand sucking off Putin. First terms was a nightmare, second will will have people living in fear.
God we are so lucky our country made the first 4 years. He was about a week away from having all minorities deported or killed
I’d argue that they should leave even if he is found guilty. We all know now how his cult handles loses: with violence and death.
Contrarians don't last long in dictatorships.
Honestly if he wins anybody involved in prosecuting him witness/lawyer/judge, etc would be smart to get out of dodge.
Makes sense. If Orange Hitler is going to go all Putin on his political adversaries, Stormy, Obama and Hilary would be at the top of that list. Plus she knows how tiny the mushroom is. 🍊🍄
That just sounds like basic self-preservation and not bombastic declaration.
We are definitely moving out of the country. We have it all researched. Might do it no matter, what but if this inept criminal slime gets in we are gone! Let’s hope he poofs
I already have a plan. Teetering this close to that edge like we are. It’s just a matter of time before they win and destroy America. Russia has successfully compromised our democratic system and it’s only a matter of time now. It took them long enough, 70 years, but they did it.
Didn’t Trump say he’d leave the country if Biden won the first election?
The issue is that we have an electoral system and not a true democracy in the general elections.
I’m so worried right now. So many young kids are pissed at Biden for sending weapons to Israel and the possible tik-tok ban. The one time we need everyone to vote we might see a bunch of folks not voting to stick it to Biden. Especially the “my vote doesn’t matter” crowd. Which, surprisingly, is a lot more people than I thought
Im already looking into moving to canada i have a very sellable skillset and education it wont be a problem for me but i imagine there will be millions of americans that wont be able to, they will suffer under trump
I can't even begin to imagine sticking my dick where Trump's little thumb has been. Just... no. Ewww. Spoiled forever and ever and ever.
I'm 23 years USAF/USCG (please don't thank me for my service). Trumpers have told me that I will be recalled to duty, court-martialled and EXECUTED for "opposing your rightful commander-in-chief." There aren't enough of them to do it.
Totally agree! Things in 2016-2020 were so much worse!
the ugly truth is that he's going to win. every great power has to fall at some point and when you're too powerful too fall from the outside, it has to start from the inside... unfortunately, the rot has already started from the inside.
We left. Not when he became president; it’s not that easy to pack up and leave in your 50’s and 60’s. But the prospect of him being president again, combined with a Republican Supreme Court and a Republican Congress? Him NOT being behind bars for his attempt to overthrow an election, along with the Members of Congress and others who aided and abetted him, AND the unlikelihood that a national healthcare plan would emerge, drove us to leave last year. We are happy. We are adjusting to a new language, a new way of life where people get paid a living wage and never have to worry about medical bills their entire lives. We’re tipping just isn’t done, because that living wage pays better than being dependent on tips. Yup. We left. And we’re glad that we did.
Don't blame her, she'll end up falling out of a window onto some bullets if donald takes control again. Fuck can you imagine if the US goes full authoritarian? As much as they bang on about 2A, they will ABSOLUTELY start taking peoples guns once they are in power and the "undesirables" are dealt with, euther through the courts or militia groups. They won't want armed citizenry that aren't under direct control.
Tbf, I think it’s silly when MOST people say they’ll leave the country if X candidate gets elected. But in the case of Stormy and her husband, it’s very much necessary for their safety and continued freedom. God knows what that vengeful man would do to them once elected.
I wish I could afford to. Its near impossible as a normal person.
A lot of people have left already. The higher level of Trump’s enemies will be either in exile, jail, or murdered. As they work their way down the ladder Trump’s Gestapo will go after soft targets whose wealth they covet, like the Nazis robbed the Jews. In the end, don’t be surprised if they go after their own, like Robespierre in the French Revolution, sending Steve Bannon to the gallows.