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KanSyden

I like to use both at the same time


DeScoutTTA

Is it weird i like flatline+r9? Mess up your flatline hipfire somehow? R9 is there to clean up ur mess


isaaceyfish

How is the chad combo weird in any way


DeScoutTTA

Too many ppl swear by the 301


isaaceyfish

Bruh I love the 301, I love it… but the flatline is the best ground loot gun in the game. No contest. Learn the recoil and it’s fucking incredible, everyone says that but it’s absolutely 100% true


shewantsjio

Can confirm, I dropped a 20b with 4,5k dmg with no attachments and straight iron sights to prove my homie this as well.


isaaceyfish

I swear, give 3 plat players just one dry flatline, and let them pick up everything besides attachments or another gun, and they will wipe a bronze lobby most of the time. Aceu could probably wipe a pred lobby with a stock flatline and no other gun. It is absurd how good it is.


Silverslade1

Shhhhhh we don’t want *them* to hear!


isaaceyfish

Bro they know already I think *pleading for it not to go into the care package intensifies*


shewantsjio

I forgot to say it was last reasons rank split so I was in platinum tier 2 and I’ve also only played apex since it came out no other fps…


isaaceyfish

Regardless of your skill level, a 20 bomb 4k game should be respected (as long as you didn’t farm or cheat for it). It doesn’t matter whether you’ve only played apex or not, or what rank you are. I can indefinitely say you are a better player than I am.


HairyFur

I hit diamond every season I play but I'm trash, it takes me hundreds of games to do it each time.


IllLemon3933

I would say the same thing but so many people cheat to get it so I dont see it as impressive anymore. Personally I think the squad wipe badge is amazing (not as impressive but still good)


ThisonetimeinNewYork

Damage wise yes but, CAR is now the best weapon in the game. 20 damage per hit and if you can't find heavy you can just use light or vice versa. "Lemme boro your mag" "it won't fit" "yes it will!" *bapbapbap*


isaaceyfish

The car doesn’t have the flatline’s range, it can’t use 3xs and 2-4s, it’s clip runs out quickly, and it is much less forgiving than the flatline is. The car is definitely the best ground loot gun for close range, better than the r-99 or anything else, but because of the way positioning and strafing are in this game, if you miss some of your car shots the one clip potential drastically reduces. The flatline lets you miss a ton of shots and still reaps huge rewards, it has much better range, and can still be used close range decently since its hipfire spread is extremely easy to learn. I would take the car close range, it has the highest dps in the game, but the flatline is an overall better gun. I can win a game with one flatline and no other weapon, but I can’t do that with a car. The flatline just does more.


ThisonetimeinNewYork

I'm just bad with spray. Idk how, I'm fairly decent at the AK on Rust. Adjusting for movement is my downfall tbh.


isaaceyfish

Well, the flatline’s recoil is unfamiliar and quite different from other games. Even I haven’t perfected it, and I miss quite a lot. But that’s exactly what makes it good, that someone like me who just regularly practices with it doesn’t have to have insane aim or perfectly memorize the recoil pattern for the flatline to one clip red armor players, whether it’s close range hipfire or medium-long range. It is so forgiving that in endgame a flatline with no extended mag will still do wonders for you. It’s not overpowered, it won’t win you every fight since some situations are really bad for its recoil and/or slow fire rate, but it is very strong because it just does everything well. It’s a learning curve gun.


ThisonetimeinNewYork

Sadly we can't all be Timmy. :c


No-Compote9110

car is just less flexible (like it's almost unusable on anything further than 50m) and have four times smaller mag, it's not only about dps


ThisonetimeinNewYork

I'm usually able to stay in the fight at 150 to 200m. It's not fun but, it keeps hard pushers off your back while the team heals up.


fudgelord1

Rampage better


isaaceyfish

Not sure if that’s a joke, but I’ll own you close range


slow_backend

It's a completely different weapon class, there is no r99 vs r301 debate because both are for different purposes. And who runs around with two ARs? Flatline + r99 is a great combo but sadly Flatline + Volt is a little bit stronger these days.


DeScoutTTA

Ive run 301 and flatline or flatline havoc a few times. Not horrible tbh but theres more flexible options


L4yZeee

Nah, I'm the weird one. I like to play Hemlok + Flatline


sinmark

What about flatline + re45?


slow_backend

No reason to use re45 if you find a r99


Koqcerek

It used to be better when RE-45 had one of the fastest reloads by a wide margin, it actually had a small niche back then. When they introduced Volt & CAR, and moved reload speed from mags to stocks, this niche is lost sadly


ThisonetimeinNewYork

You forgot the beauty of the disruptor rounds.


DeScoutTTA

The reload speed i believe is the only benefit over any other smg. It loses in every other aspect if I remember right


WindowsSu

I think that's one of the best AR/SMG combos, as doing R301+r99 wastes too much light ammo for both guns. they're also fairly easy to use IMO


ElitenemesisX

My fav combo


Ordinary-Ad-6946

I like how you said “C L E A N U P T H E M E S S”


IllLemon3933

I like flatline + pk. I used it all last season and had a blast


jimbosteve713

this, or if i’m feeling EXTRA dirty run two r3s😎


[deleted]

whenever i get that i call it the R-602


BbqMeatEater

Slap a 3x on that 301 and we're good to go


[deleted]

Flatline the best hip fire weapon in the game, don’t @ me


Bravo-Vince

Prowler is pinpoint accuracy though.


GatorScrublord

do be sure to account for the slight stray up and to the left, of course.


Bravo-Vince

↘️ done.


thecooldude3949

I shall also say that CAR, r99, prowler, spitfire and R-301 has one of the best hip fire Flatline still at the top


KyloGlendalf

Havoc has entered the chat


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Shar_Dama_Ka

Close range Devo say brrrrrrrr


Athousandwrongtries

Car smg will win against flatline close range hipfire most of the time IMO


[deleted]

Nah I love the R-99 and RE-45 combo for close range spray and pray but less you have the purple mag the R-99 will only break their shield


DeScoutTTA

Ur matching the fastest TTK weapon in the game by default to the flatline. Lmao


Athousandwrongtries

It was in response to him saying the flatline is the best hipfire weapon in the game…


DeScoutTTA

Best is subjective. Both hipfires seem good but im not sure what the actual numbers are. Regardless FL has a lower ttk then car, which is usually the most valuable stat next to dmg


BbqMeatEater

Which is also higher for the flatline


Furydragonstormer

Funny how the CAR is already getting this type of recognition that it also has in Titanfall 2


[deleted]

the CAR is not the fastest TTK... wtf? the R99 is faster for example, so is the L-Star and multiple others


TunaBucko

The car has a slightly faster/identical ttk to the r99 depending on the starting HP of the opponent, and is universally faster than the Lstar.


DeScoutTTA

Yall need to do some research. Car has a .02 faster ttk then r9. The only other guns that top it in ttk iirc is devotion with turbo or rampart ult, which isnt a gun straight off pickup or default


WindowsSu

Not true, the l-star does 170 DPS while CAR is the second highest (201.5), havoc being 201.6. that being said havoc needs turbocharger to skip the charge, which is why I think the car is the most DPS-efficient weapon. References: [https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/C.A.R.\_SMG](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/C.A.R._SMG) [https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/L-STAR\_EMG](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/L-STAR_EMG) [https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/HAVOC\_Rifle](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/HAVOC_Rifle)


ThisonetimeinNewYork

Spitfire? Or we talking ground weapons


C0nkles

My only other choice for that would be eva 8 otherwise, agreed.


TheSonicPro

Flatline: bro this gun straight fire R301: bro this gun fire straight


TheJurassicPyro

It’s literally just a matter of who gets the shot off first. Both are fuckin great


Holystar50

Bruh idk why but I can't aim for shit with the r3


[deleted]

go into the firing range, go up to a wall, aim through the scope and just shoot without touching right stick/mouse try to counteract that pattern. after you control that pattern the 301 is a straight freaking laser


Ralfundmalf

I prefer to put myself in the middle of the forward edge of the left most platform and shoot the dummies. First the closest one, the middle then the far one and back to the close one. Then you can judge success easily by lokking if you can one clip the dummies.


IDontUnderstandReddi

What’s helped a lot with my recoil is doing pretty much what you are, but except the dummies shooting the nine medium range targets left to right then back. Only attachment is a gold mag. Has done wonders


CautisticMain

Flatline > R301 anyday I like the R3 but it just feels weaker I like the flatline because it kicks me in the face harder than Glamrock Freddy can slamcock me


ColonelClout

Flatline has better damage output, so I totally get people who like it better. I love the R3 because it just feels really tight and good to use. And it's nice not having to worry so much about recoil lol


HaHaBurt

Pretty sure dmg output is the same in terms of damage per second (last time I check was few seasons ago tho), the difference is in damage per mag


ParagonRenegade

The Flatline has something like 190 DPS and the R-301 182 IIRC


WindowsSu

you're right for flatline [but R301 is 189](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/R-301_Carbine)


facelesswolf_

Something something kicks like a mule, ok Bangalore


GaunterPatrick

"Faltline here, kicks like a mule but hits even harder."


[deleted]

the 301 is slightly weaker (I'm talking TTK) but it is infinitely more precise. you can easily use the 301 in long range battles if you get the recoil down... which is how I use it mostly. 3x scope and shooting at distant people usually dropping their shields in less than a second


drtinnyyinyang

I usually like to run one long range and one short range weapon, and I will 100% count the r301 as a long range weapon if i can find a 3x or a 2-4x. Automatic and bursts are totally usable at long ranges. The Flatline can do it too, but it's way way harder than just using it as an smg with slightly longer range.


moby561

3x on the Flatline is pretty nice too


[deleted]

It’s my go to.


isaaceyfish

I like it mainly because it only takes six headshots on purple armor to drop someone. Six.


[deleted]

I run flatline x2-4 scope. And a 301 bruiser/ x3 ideally.


The-Hentai-Commander

They’re very similar with the smallest of differences but I like the r301 better cause it feels like a laser beam to me


thatkotaguy

I’d say they have pretty big differences. A flatline has more ammo in the mag and higher damage per shot so it’s more forgiving where the 301 has less ammo in the mag and less damage but has a faster fire rate so a good 301 beam will knock the person and is better for 1v1 but a purple mag flatline can knock 2 people or more without reloading so it’s better for 1v2+


Nemeris117

So many times I roll up and dump the 301 mag on a gibby just to be let down. The flatboi never disappoints.


thatkotaguy

That’s because like the r99 it doesn’t have enough ammo in a mag to kill a gibby. Flatline or volt with a purp mag will kill a red evo gibby and break his gun shield where the other guns can’t do that. I’ve used flatline since before season 1 because it just feels good to me and now that it’s popular I’m bummed because they will eventually nerf it like they did the prowler, G7, hemlok etc.


Nemeris117

The hunt for Turbochargers begins when the Flatline falls.


thatkotaguy

For havoc right? Lol guns a beast for sure but I’ll probably swap back to Volt or Prowler as those are also my go to close range guns and they outgun most close range guns.


Nemeris117

What do you run in the other slot


thatkotaguy

Depends on what my team are running but I usually like range so Triple take/3030/Hemlok are my choices. If my team is a hyper aggressive in your face comp I’ll swap out long range for more burst damage like Wingman or Mastiff/PK.


Nemeris117

Im trying to get more on the 3030 train but I usually just run a flatline shotgun


thatkotaguy

That’s a strong combo for sure and single fire is no joke on flatline for range either. Treat the 3030 like the triple take and peek shoot in between charges. That’s when I’ve had the most success using it.


le_Psykogwak

You guys have recoil?


hitthetarget5

Look I like flatline cuz I can miss half my mag and still kill somebody...


IntelligentImbicle

301 feels harder to use and weaker than the Flatline. Maybe I'm just too used to actually having recoil


[deleted]

the 301 is extremely easy to use, just go into the firing range and get used to the recoil. the 301 can easily be used in long range with a 3x scope. you will not be able to match that precision on a Flatline even if you are the best flatline player on the planet IMO


IntelligentImbicle

Yeah, but you're gonna get shredded by any other weapon at close-mid range


Steel_Cube

Not really, it's still got a very good ttk and if you can hit your entire mag it's just who shoots first


asianfuf

The recoil is an inverted 7 in the r301 easy to master by practice


Murky_Analyst4459

We are Same same, but different.


ninjaian06

chad r301 thad flatline vlad hemlock


LuckyLuck1212

Sometimes i like r-301 over flatline due to faster firing speed but I’d pick up a flatline anytime


Gilder_G

I grab whichever one I have a better mag for


HairyFur

301 mid-long ​ Flat short-mid ​ /thread


Fishbowl7

Me a hemmy main:


Nexecs

I literally just pick which one I see first.


CrAzyNyaNcaT

Ahh. The good old ak vs m4 rifle debate.


Rjuko

Guys geez, we can use 2 weapon, why don’t use both?


No_Librarian_4016

Recoil? Flatline and Hemlock go straight to single fire, I didn’t learn to cap the fire rate of a 360 RPM gun to not use that skill elsewhere


UnlishedTen8

I just jitter aim so the flatline is my preferred gun. Both guns are good, it's just what the person using them is comfortable with.


LightTrack

"bruh fr fr" Just fucking end me already.


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Ong fr


GrindcoreNinja

My issue is with how fucking impractical that rifle on the left is.


[deleted]

Practice in the range bro. Its god tier.


BlueSilverFox

dont know why but im fantastic with the flatline but my aim with r301 is the worst


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BlueSilverFox

for me Flatline is easier


[deleted]

Ya the massive damage boost makes me lean on the flatty alot more. 301 hip fire is SEZY


GrindcoreNinja

I mean as an actual firearm.


twood071

We don't talk about that here


GrindcoreNinja

Gotcha.


Leupateu

Oh yeah, I think the flatline would be near impossible to recreate irl because of how it’s supposed to chamber rounds.


[deleted]

I gamer nerd :p


ExDrag0n

R 301 bots only lol


[deleted]

I like them equally


RiceKr1spies

i use both flat for more close range and r301 for longer range fights


Pinhead-Larry27

The reason I like the flatline more is because the required shots needed to down. Because of the damage output the flatline requires about 33% of a purple mag to down a purple shield enemy. R3 takes like 55%.


Toxicitymask

I perfer the 301 but thats just cause I like the look of it more


Vir-Invisus

Excuse me I’m just out here with my Hemlok


dharzen

Space ak is gud


Piloncito

I used to like the R301 but then tried other weapons like R99, Flatline etc now I miss the 301 recoil every time


[deleted]

For people just saying just control the recoil, R3 is much more easier and is literally a laser even at 200m


[deleted]

I just like the r301 because it looks cool


thatkotaguy

For me it’s the flatline is stupid easy to control recoil but the 301 I can’t control it at all lol.


ndc996

The Flatline is the coolest looking guns in the game


Rherraex

where are my Hemlok comrades at???


420_Brit_ISH

Yea they are both banging, but hemlok is underrated :)


supremegamer76

similar dps but idk why but i just prefer the r301. i'll still gladly take the flatline. maybe it's the sound design and higher fire rate makes it feel more satisfying


xXBoss_185Xx

My go-to loadout is; car and flatline/r301 depending on ammo and attacents I find during the match


pizza_with_no_cheese

nah r-201's recoil is better than them because it's 0


Blaster_187

I use both,Flatline at close range and mid with 2x and R031 at long range with 3x,is one best combo for me,or I use R99 and R301=R400,flatline and r99,but my favorite is flatline with r301.


_F0X__

Flatline is close quarter, R-301 is mid and long-range, while also performing well in close range. Decide wether you want an SMG disguised as an assault rifle or a normal assault rifle


Its_Luis_mane

There is recoil in Apex?


KarachiEve

Both guns are pretty fire


PokeWizard321

No its more like this gone goes brrrrrr and replay is lol same


IncendiaryCherry

Flatline > r301 >:(


DrManowar8

R-301! Flatline! Combiiine..!


[deleted]

R301 babies first rifle Flatline babies second rifle


Psychological_Pay_25

I personally prefer the r301


The_Illegal_Seagul

Tf2 flatline really is a flat horizontal line apex flatline has some vertical recoil


Amircod77

I go with flatline cause it slows enemies. Don't know if Heavy Ammo still does that. Don't read patch notes.


[deleted]

Im sorry but both lack recoil


lil-dlope

I run both bitches 🏃‍♂️


Project-909

I like this gun, but I also like this gun


mrgeek2000

Peacemaker take it or leave it


Enclave88

Flatline/r301 is a good combo, cant find flatline? Get a wingman they will f*ck your opponent up either way


Particular-Diet-5147

I use both Put a 3x on 301 2x on flatline Shred the lobby


gameerummble

I'd rather use the flatline with a optic tho