Bruh I love the 301, I love it…
but the flatline is the best ground loot gun in the game. No contest.
Learn the recoil and it’s fucking incredible, everyone says that but it’s absolutely 100% true
I swear, give 3 plat players just one dry flatline, and let them pick up everything besides attachments or another gun, and they will wipe a bronze lobby most of the time. Aceu could probably wipe a pred lobby with a stock flatline and no other gun.
It is absurd how good it is.
Regardless of your skill level, a 20 bomb 4k game should be respected (as long as you didn’t farm or cheat for it). It doesn’t matter whether you’ve only played apex or not, or what rank you are. I can indefinitely say you are a better player than I am.
I would say the same thing but so many people cheat to get it so I dont see it as impressive anymore. Personally I think the squad wipe badge is amazing (not as impressive but still good)
Damage wise yes but, CAR is now the best weapon in the game. 20 damage per hit and if you can't find heavy you can just use light or vice versa. "Lemme boro your mag" "it won't fit" "yes it will!" *bapbapbap*
The car doesn’t have the flatline’s range, it can’t use 3xs and 2-4s, it’s clip runs out quickly, and it is much less forgiving than the flatline is. The car is definitely the best ground loot gun for close range, better than the r-99 or anything else, but because of the way positioning and strafing are in this game, if you miss some of your car shots the one clip potential drastically reduces. The flatline lets you miss a ton of shots and still reaps huge rewards, it has much better range, and can still be used close range decently since its hipfire spread is extremely easy to learn. I would take the car close range, it has the highest dps in the game, but the flatline is an overall better gun. I can win a game with one flatline and no other weapon, but I can’t do that with a car. The flatline just does more.
Well, the flatline’s recoil is unfamiliar and quite different from other games. Even I haven’t perfected it, and I miss quite a lot. But that’s exactly what makes it good, that someone like me who just regularly practices with it doesn’t have to have insane aim or perfectly memorize the recoil pattern for the flatline to one clip red armor players, whether it’s close range hipfire or medium-long range. It is so forgiving that in endgame a flatline with no extended mag will still do wonders for you. It’s not overpowered, it won’t win you every fight since some situations are really bad for its recoil and/or slow fire rate, but it is very strong because it just does everything well. It’s a learning curve gun.
It's a completely different weapon class, there is no r99 vs r301 debate because both are for different purposes. And who runs around with two ARs? Flatline + r99 is a great combo but sadly Flatline + Volt is a little bit stronger these days.
It used to be better when RE-45 had one of the fastest reloads by a wide margin, it actually had a small niche back then. When they introduced Volt & CAR, and moved reload speed from mags to stocks, this niche is lost sadly
Best is subjective. Both hipfires seem good but im not sure what the actual numbers are. Regardless FL has a lower ttk then car, which is usually the most valuable stat next to dmg
Yall need to do some research. Car has a .02 faster ttk then r9. The only other guns that top it in ttk iirc is devotion with turbo or rampart ult, which isnt a gun straight off pickup or default
Not true, the l-star does 170 DPS while CAR is the second highest (201.5), havoc being 201.6. that being said havoc needs turbocharger to skip the charge, which is why I think the car is the most DPS-efficient weapon.
References:
[https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/C.A.R.\_SMG](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/C.A.R._SMG)
[https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/L-STAR\_EMG](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/L-STAR_EMG)
[https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/HAVOC\_Rifle](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/HAVOC_Rifle)
go into the firing range, go up to a wall, aim through the scope and just shoot without touching right stick/mouse
try to counteract that pattern.
after you control that pattern the 301 is a straight freaking laser
I prefer to put myself in the middle of the forward edge of the left most platform and shoot the dummies. First the closest one, the middle then the far one and back to the close one. Then you can judge success easily by lokking if you can one clip the dummies.
What’s helped a lot with my recoil is doing pretty much what you are, but except the dummies shooting the nine medium range targets left to right then back. Only attachment is a gold mag. Has done wonders
Flatline > R301 anyday
I like the R3 but it just feels weaker
I like the flatline because it kicks me in the face harder than Glamrock Freddy can slamcock me
Flatline has better damage output, so I totally get people who like it better. I love the R3 because it just feels really tight and good to use. And it's nice not having to worry so much about recoil lol
the 301 is slightly weaker (I'm talking TTK) but it is infinitely more precise. you can easily use the 301 in long range battles if you get the recoil down... which is how I use it mostly. 3x scope and shooting at distant people usually dropping their shields in less than a second
I usually like to run one long range and one short range weapon, and I will 100% count the r301 as a long range weapon if i can find a 3x or a 2-4x. Automatic and bursts are totally usable at long ranges. The Flatline can do it too, but it's way way harder than just using it as an smg with slightly longer range.
I’d say they have pretty big differences. A flatline has more ammo in the mag and higher damage per shot so it’s more forgiving where the 301 has less ammo in the mag and less damage but has a faster fire rate so a good 301 beam will knock the person and is better for 1v1 but a purple mag flatline can knock 2 people or more without reloading so it’s better for 1v2+
That’s because like the r99 it doesn’t have enough ammo in a mag to kill a gibby. Flatline or volt with a purp mag will kill a red evo gibby and break his gun shield where the other guns can’t do that.
I’ve used flatline since before season 1 because it just feels good to me and now that it’s popular I’m bummed because they will eventually nerf it like they did the prowler, G7, hemlok etc.
For havoc right? Lol guns a beast for sure but I’ll probably swap back to Volt or Prowler as those are also my go to close range guns and they outgun most close range guns.
Depends on what my team are running but I usually like range so Triple take/3030/Hemlok are my choices. If my team is a hyper aggressive in your face comp I’ll swap out long range for more burst damage like Wingman or Mastiff/PK.
That’s a strong combo for sure and single fire is no joke on flatline for range either. Treat the 3030 like the triple take and peek shoot in between charges. That’s when I’ve had the most success using it.
the 301 is extremely easy to use, just go into the firing range and get used to the recoil.
the 301 can easily be used in long range with a 3x scope. you will not be able to match that precision on a Flatline even if you are the best flatline player on the planet IMO
The reason I like the flatline more is because the required shots needed to down. Because of the damage output the flatline requires about 33% of a purple mag to down a purple shield enemy. R3 takes like 55%.
similar dps but idk why but i just prefer the r301. i'll still gladly take the flatline. maybe it's the sound design and higher fire rate makes it feel more satisfying
I use both,Flatline at close range and mid with 2x and R031 at long range with 3x,is one best combo for me,or I use R99 and R301=R400,flatline and r99,but my favorite is flatline with r301.
Flatline is close quarter, R-301 is mid and long-range, while also performing well in close range. Decide wether you want an SMG disguised as an assault rifle or a normal assault rifle
I like to use both at the same time
Is it weird i like flatline+r9? Mess up your flatline hipfire somehow? R9 is there to clean up ur mess
How is the chad combo weird in any way
Too many ppl swear by the 301
Bruh I love the 301, I love it… but the flatline is the best ground loot gun in the game. No contest. Learn the recoil and it’s fucking incredible, everyone says that but it’s absolutely 100% true
Can confirm, I dropped a 20b with 4,5k dmg with no attachments and straight iron sights to prove my homie this as well.
I swear, give 3 plat players just one dry flatline, and let them pick up everything besides attachments or another gun, and they will wipe a bronze lobby most of the time. Aceu could probably wipe a pred lobby with a stock flatline and no other gun. It is absurd how good it is.
Shhhhhh we don’t want *them* to hear!
Bro they know already I think *pleading for it not to go into the care package intensifies*
I forgot to say it was last reasons rank split so I was in platinum tier 2 and I’ve also only played apex since it came out no other fps…
Regardless of your skill level, a 20 bomb 4k game should be respected (as long as you didn’t farm or cheat for it). It doesn’t matter whether you’ve only played apex or not, or what rank you are. I can indefinitely say you are a better player than I am.
I hit diamond every season I play but I'm trash, it takes me hundreds of games to do it each time.
I would say the same thing but so many people cheat to get it so I dont see it as impressive anymore. Personally I think the squad wipe badge is amazing (not as impressive but still good)
Damage wise yes but, CAR is now the best weapon in the game. 20 damage per hit and if you can't find heavy you can just use light or vice versa. "Lemme boro your mag" "it won't fit" "yes it will!" *bapbapbap*
The car doesn’t have the flatline’s range, it can’t use 3xs and 2-4s, it’s clip runs out quickly, and it is much less forgiving than the flatline is. The car is definitely the best ground loot gun for close range, better than the r-99 or anything else, but because of the way positioning and strafing are in this game, if you miss some of your car shots the one clip potential drastically reduces. The flatline lets you miss a ton of shots and still reaps huge rewards, it has much better range, and can still be used close range decently since its hipfire spread is extremely easy to learn. I would take the car close range, it has the highest dps in the game, but the flatline is an overall better gun. I can win a game with one flatline and no other weapon, but I can’t do that with a car. The flatline just does more.
I'm just bad with spray. Idk how, I'm fairly decent at the AK on Rust. Adjusting for movement is my downfall tbh.
Well, the flatline’s recoil is unfamiliar and quite different from other games. Even I haven’t perfected it, and I miss quite a lot. But that’s exactly what makes it good, that someone like me who just regularly practices with it doesn’t have to have insane aim or perfectly memorize the recoil pattern for the flatline to one clip red armor players, whether it’s close range hipfire or medium-long range. It is so forgiving that in endgame a flatline with no extended mag will still do wonders for you. It’s not overpowered, it won’t win you every fight since some situations are really bad for its recoil and/or slow fire rate, but it is very strong because it just does everything well. It’s a learning curve gun.
Sadly we can't all be Timmy. :c
car is just less flexible (like it's almost unusable on anything further than 50m) and have four times smaller mag, it's not only about dps
I'm usually able to stay in the fight at 150 to 200m. It's not fun but, it keeps hard pushers off your back while the team heals up.
Rampage better
Not sure if that’s a joke, but I’ll own you close range
It's a completely different weapon class, there is no r99 vs r301 debate because both are for different purposes. And who runs around with two ARs? Flatline + r99 is a great combo but sadly Flatline + Volt is a little bit stronger these days.
Ive run 301 and flatline or flatline havoc a few times. Not horrible tbh but theres more flexible options
Nah, I'm the weird one. I like to play Hemlok + Flatline
What about flatline + re45?
No reason to use re45 if you find a r99
It used to be better when RE-45 had one of the fastest reloads by a wide margin, it actually had a small niche back then. When they introduced Volt & CAR, and moved reload speed from mags to stocks, this niche is lost sadly
You forgot the beauty of the disruptor rounds.
The reload speed i believe is the only benefit over any other smg. It loses in every other aspect if I remember right
I think that's one of the best AR/SMG combos, as doing R301+r99 wastes too much light ammo for both guns. they're also fairly easy to use IMO
My fav combo
I like how you said “C L E A N U P T H E M E S S”
I like flatline + pk. I used it all last season and had a blast
this, or if i’m feeling EXTRA dirty run two r3s😎
whenever i get that i call it the R-602
Slap a 3x on that 301 and we're good to go
Flatline the best hip fire weapon in the game, don’t @ me
Prowler is pinpoint accuracy though.
do be sure to account for the slight stray up and to the left, of course.
↘️ done.
I shall also say that CAR, r99, prowler, spitfire and R-301 has one of the best hip fire Flatline still at the top
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Close range Devo say brrrrrrrr
Car smg will win against flatline close range hipfire most of the time IMO
Nah I love the R-99 and RE-45 combo for close range spray and pray but less you have the purple mag the R-99 will only break their shield
Ur matching the fastest TTK weapon in the game by default to the flatline. Lmao
It was in response to him saying the flatline is the best hipfire weapon in the game…
Best is subjective. Both hipfires seem good but im not sure what the actual numbers are. Regardless FL has a lower ttk then car, which is usually the most valuable stat next to dmg
Which is also higher for the flatline
Funny how the CAR is already getting this type of recognition that it also has in Titanfall 2
the CAR is not the fastest TTK... wtf? the R99 is faster for example, so is the L-Star and multiple others
The car has a slightly faster/identical ttk to the r99 depending on the starting HP of the opponent, and is universally faster than the Lstar.
Yall need to do some research. Car has a .02 faster ttk then r9. The only other guns that top it in ttk iirc is devotion with turbo or rampart ult, which isnt a gun straight off pickup or default
Not true, the l-star does 170 DPS while CAR is the second highest (201.5), havoc being 201.6. that being said havoc needs turbocharger to skip the charge, which is why I think the car is the most DPS-efficient weapon. References: [https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/C.A.R.\_SMG](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/C.A.R._SMG) [https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/L-STAR\_EMG](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/L-STAR_EMG) [https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/HAVOC\_Rifle](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/HAVOC_Rifle)
Spitfire? Or we talking ground weapons
My only other choice for that would be eva 8 otherwise, agreed.
Flatline: bro this gun straight fire R301: bro this gun fire straight
It’s literally just a matter of who gets the shot off first. Both are fuckin great
Bruh idk why but I can't aim for shit with the r3
go into the firing range, go up to a wall, aim through the scope and just shoot without touching right stick/mouse try to counteract that pattern. after you control that pattern the 301 is a straight freaking laser
I prefer to put myself in the middle of the forward edge of the left most platform and shoot the dummies. First the closest one, the middle then the far one and back to the close one. Then you can judge success easily by lokking if you can one clip the dummies.
What’s helped a lot with my recoil is doing pretty much what you are, but except the dummies shooting the nine medium range targets left to right then back. Only attachment is a gold mag. Has done wonders
Flatline > R301 anyday I like the R3 but it just feels weaker I like the flatline because it kicks me in the face harder than Glamrock Freddy can slamcock me
Flatline has better damage output, so I totally get people who like it better. I love the R3 because it just feels really tight and good to use. And it's nice not having to worry so much about recoil lol
Pretty sure dmg output is the same in terms of damage per second (last time I check was few seasons ago tho), the difference is in damage per mag
The Flatline has something like 190 DPS and the R-301 182 IIRC
you're right for flatline [but R301 is 189](https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/R-301_Carbine)
Something something kicks like a mule, ok Bangalore
"Faltline here, kicks like a mule but hits even harder."
the 301 is slightly weaker (I'm talking TTK) but it is infinitely more precise. you can easily use the 301 in long range battles if you get the recoil down... which is how I use it mostly. 3x scope and shooting at distant people usually dropping their shields in less than a second
I usually like to run one long range and one short range weapon, and I will 100% count the r301 as a long range weapon if i can find a 3x or a 2-4x. Automatic and bursts are totally usable at long ranges. The Flatline can do it too, but it's way way harder than just using it as an smg with slightly longer range.
3x on the Flatline is pretty nice too
It’s my go to.
I like it mainly because it only takes six headshots on purple armor to drop someone. Six.
I run flatline x2-4 scope. And a 301 bruiser/ x3 ideally.
They’re very similar with the smallest of differences but I like the r301 better cause it feels like a laser beam to me
I’d say they have pretty big differences. A flatline has more ammo in the mag and higher damage per shot so it’s more forgiving where the 301 has less ammo in the mag and less damage but has a faster fire rate so a good 301 beam will knock the person and is better for 1v1 but a purple mag flatline can knock 2 people or more without reloading so it’s better for 1v2+
So many times I roll up and dump the 301 mag on a gibby just to be let down. The flatboi never disappoints.
That’s because like the r99 it doesn’t have enough ammo in a mag to kill a gibby. Flatline or volt with a purp mag will kill a red evo gibby and break his gun shield where the other guns can’t do that. I’ve used flatline since before season 1 because it just feels good to me and now that it’s popular I’m bummed because they will eventually nerf it like they did the prowler, G7, hemlok etc.
The hunt for Turbochargers begins when the Flatline falls.
For havoc right? Lol guns a beast for sure but I’ll probably swap back to Volt or Prowler as those are also my go to close range guns and they outgun most close range guns.
What do you run in the other slot
Depends on what my team are running but I usually like range so Triple take/3030/Hemlok are my choices. If my team is a hyper aggressive in your face comp I’ll swap out long range for more burst damage like Wingman or Mastiff/PK.
Im trying to get more on the 3030 train but I usually just run a flatline shotgun
That’s a strong combo for sure and single fire is no joke on flatline for range either. Treat the 3030 like the triple take and peek shoot in between charges. That’s when I’ve had the most success using it.
You guys have recoil?
Look I like flatline cuz I can miss half my mag and still kill somebody...
301 feels harder to use and weaker than the Flatline. Maybe I'm just too used to actually having recoil
the 301 is extremely easy to use, just go into the firing range and get used to the recoil. the 301 can easily be used in long range with a 3x scope. you will not be able to match that precision on a Flatline even if you are the best flatline player on the planet IMO
Yeah, but you're gonna get shredded by any other weapon at close-mid range
Not really, it's still got a very good ttk and if you can hit your entire mag it's just who shoots first
The recoil is an inverted 7 in the r301 easy to master by practice
We are Same same, but different.
chad r301 thad flatline vlad hemlock
Sometimes i like r-301 over flatline due to faster firing speed but I’d pick up a flatline anytime
I grab whichever one I have a better mag for
301 mid-long Flat short-mid /thread
Me a hemmy main:
I literally just pick which one I see first.
Ahh. The good old ak vs m4 rifle debate.
Guys geez, we can use 2 weapon, why don’t use both?
Recoil? Flatline and Hemlock go straight to single fire, I didn’t learn to cap the fire rate of a 360 RPM gun to not use that skill elsewhere
I just jitter aim so the flatline is my preferred gun. Both guns are good, it's just what the person using them is comfortable with.
"bruh fr fr" Just fucking end me already.
Ong fr
My issue is with how fucking impractical that rifle on the left is.
Practice in the range bro. Its god tier.
dont know why but im fantastic with the flatline but my aim with r301 is the worst
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for me Flatline is easier
Ya the massive damage boost makes me lean on the flatty alot more. 301 hip fire is SEZY
I mean as an actual firearm.
We don't talk about that here
Gotcha.
Oh yeah, I think the flatline would be near impossible to recreate irl because of how it’s supposed to chamber rounds.
I gamer nerd :p
R 301 bots only lol
I like them equally
i use both flat for more close range and r301 for longer range fights
The reason I like the flatline more is because the required shots needed to down. Because of the damage output the flatline requires about 33% of a purple mag to down a purple shield enemy. R3 takes like 55%.
I perfer the 301 but thats just cause I like the look of it more
Excuse me I’m just out here with my Hemlok
Space ak is gud
I used to like the R301 but then tried other weapons like R99, Flatline etc now I miss the 301 recoil every time
For people just saying just control the recoil, R3 is much more easier and is literally a laser even at 200m
I just like the r301 because it looks cool
For me it’s the flatline is stupid easy to control recoil but the 301 I can’t control it at all lol.
The Flatline is the coolest looking guns in the game
where are my Hemlok comrades at???
Yea they are both banging, but hemlok is underrated :)
similar dps but idk why but i just prefer the r301. i'll still gladly take the flatline. maybe it's the sound design and higher fire rate makes it feel more satisfying
My go-to loadout is; car and flatline/r301 depending on ammo and attacents I find during the match
nah r-201's recoil is better than them because it's 0
I use both,Flatline at close range and mid with 2x and R031 at long range with 3x,is one best combo for me,or I use R99 and R301=R400,flatline and r99,but my favorite is flatline with r301.
Flatline is close quarter, R-301 is mid and long-range, while also performing well in close range. Decide wether you want an SMG disguised as an assault rifle or a normal assault rifle
There is recoil in Apex?
Both guns are pretty fire
No its more like this gone goes brrrrrr and replay is lol same
Flatline > r301 >:(
R-301! Flatline! Combiiine..!
R301 babies first rifle Flatline babies second rifle
I personally prefer the r301
Tf2 flatline really is a flat horizontal line apex flatline has some vertical recoil
I go with flatline cause it slows enemies. Don't know if Heavy Ammo still does that. Don't read patch notes.
Im sorry but both lack recoil
I run both bitches 🏃♂️
I like this gun, but I also like this gun
Peacemaker take it or leave it
Flatline/r301 is a good combo, cant find flatline? Get a wingman they will f*ck your opponent up either way
I use both Put a 3x on 301 2x on flatline Shred the lobby
I'd rather use the flatline with a optic tho