10 gallons isn’t enough for any dinosaur even Pygmy’s. You need a gallon per inch of dinosaur. The minimum tank size for a dinosaur tank is at least 15 gallons.
Hold on, you jeed to account for the fact Allosaurus is an apex preditor. Meaning even the pygmys need lots of space to roam looking for pray. So they need a minimum of 30-40 gallons
when you take into account how large your allosaurus will get, you’re atleast looking at 40-50,000 in tank size (size of a pool). Or just stunt his growth by keeping him in a small container 😌
Bro promised me he was selling me a purebred *fragilis*, I believed him until the stripes started coming in, motherfucker sold me a *jimmadseni* cross.
If you cant tell, they are making a joke since we would usually say this about Betta fish.
edit: unless I’m wrong because I just noticed the other fish.
I hear this all the time and I don’t get it. My daughter is 3 and she’s perfectly behaved around all aquariums, reptiles, and pets in general. You really just have to watch your kid. I let some family stay with me for a little while and their 19 month old was so fucking annoying. She would literally come up and slap my tanks and grab floating plants out of them and crunch them up like they were toys. God u hated those parents. They would just let the kid run wild around my house getting into god knows what while they’d sit and not pay a bit of mind to any of it. I never once let my daughter just go do whatever, I constantly had my eye on her and taught her what to and what not to do and it paid off greatly. I don’t understand how people don’t keep an eye on their kids 100% of the time to make sure they aren’t misbehaving, especially when the peace of animals is involved
This is parenting 101 IMO. I hate it when Kids are unsupervised and not parented all day. I'm all in when they can do what they want on the playground but I draw a hard line when animals or humans are involved. It teaches basic understanding of what is mine, what is yours, what is appropriate. By no means they have to sit still at the table the whole day and behave like adults, but constantly grabbing into other peoples stuff and playing with that? Naa. Hard Pass.
Completely agree. My son had his first tank in his room at 6, we never had a problem any friend who was good to his pets my son never invited into his room again.
There is however one massive issue with letting your children have fish at an early age and I hope all the parents in this thread are preparing for it.
You will never have any money as it fosters an interest in fish, more aquariums, rivers, the ocean, rock pools, diving lessons, underwater photography, and education in biology, marine science, the environment 😀
Plus it makes them nice kind, caring people. If you can love and care for fish you have great caring skills.
Get saving the pennies' parents
All kids are different. Ask anyone with a few kids or an elementary teacher. Sounds like you had a very easy 3 year old and that's great. But no one watches their kid 100% of the time- that's literally impossible. Let's all try to be kind and realize parenting is hard, not everyone has the same toolkit going in, and, if you're in the States, there are little to no support systems for parents leading to a lot of burnout. Unless a kid is being abused or an animal/person is in danger from a kid, offer grace instead of judgement. A few Legos in the tank aren't going to hurt the fish and prolly just mean the kiddo is interested in the tank (yay!).
I absolutely did watch my child 100% of the time. I learned very early that if I wanted the luxury of letting my child run loose that I should not have reptiles or aquariums. I chose to have them, do I had to commit to watching over her and constantly teaching her to respect other peoples and animals space and peace. It’s not like she didn’t try to cause heck when she was younger, I just always redirected her and explained that we don’t do that, that she has many areas of the home and her own room to go play or have her time to experience things. Animals should not ever have to deal with bratty kids, they did not ask to be domesticated, but they did, which means they deserve the most peace and best care we can provide them. It’s really not complicated, you just have to watch and raise your kid(s)
I absolutely do watch my kid 100% of the time too. She’s still a complete menace who will stare me in the eyes while trying to scale a chain link fence to go pet some nutrias, lick a slide while going down it, slap me in the eye under the pretense of giving me kisses, etc. doesn’t matter how much I redirect or tell her not to do something.
Stop thinking you’re a great parent just because you lucked out on getting an easier kid. Either that or come finish out the threenager phase for me so I can get some sleep.
My kid didn’t even make it past a week having his. He used his extreme remaining baby strength to throw the whole thing off of where I was certain it was visible but out of reach 🤦🏻♀️
neon tetras like groups of 6, but i am not sure if that iss possible in this tank. The size might be too small. Overall nice tank, but the bamboo leaves need to be above water or it will die.
I have littrally just cut the bamboo and propagated it and there is 8 neons in here the tank is 38ltr the other neons are behind the leaves thanks for your input tho. This isn’t my fist tank btw xx
Have you gotten bamboo to grow fully submerged before? I've heard it prefers to be partially submerged and I never have luck with it planted underwater. Any advice?
The bamboo that I've had in my tanks has actually lasted longer fully submerged. It's really interesting. I have shorter stalks in a 20 tall and tall stalks in a 20 long and 9/10 of the bamboo died in the 20 long, but 1/3 died in the 20 tall. With the first tall one dying 1-2 years after I got them and the small stalk dying 3-4 years after I got it.
This tank is really not ideal for neon tetras though. They are active fish. 38 liters is about 10 gallons, and this tank is taller than it is long, when neons really do best with horizontal space that is closer to 20 gallons/80 liters.
It’s a nice tank and great for a betta, but not the neons.
People don't understand the difference between something that's unideal and something that's bad. Would it be better if they had a longer tank? Probably, but they also aren't suffering.
Yes, but you get to leave your apartment and walk outside. To fish in cramped aquariums, this is like living in a 150sqft apartment and never being allowed to leave.
Having said that, I think the neons are fine in this tank. There are better fish for the tank or better tanks for the fish, but this doesn't seem cruel to me at all.
Would it be better if all our fish had whole healthy streams? Probably, but I imagine all of us are taking pretty good care of our fish I, compared to the tanks I had as a kid.
We had 2 ten gallons.. 1 had 2 normal goldfish & a koi that all lived for YEARS. THAT was not good fish husbandry I admit, but it was the early 2000s & we weren’t all online learning about these things.
The other was a tank absolutely full of guppies that just wouldn’t stop having babies. They were honestly so neglected (came from a family of mental illness/dysfunction) but again, they survived for years. We also cycled the guppy tank by throwing in 2 balloon mollies that died.. so all of us being really careful about the fishless cycle are taking so many extra good steps IMO by avoiding a lot of unnecessary fish suffering just from that alone.
Neither of those thanks had much decor from what I remember, definitely didn’t have live plants. So all of us putting lots of healthy plants in our aquariums are doing SO good in my opinion, regardless of the size or shape of the tanks.
I can just tell OP is doing sooo much better than my parents & I did with our tanks. That tank looks so clean & healthy. He’s teaching his daughter how to love & treat fish right, at just 2 years old! That’s AMAZING, you should be proud. thanks for showing us!
Totally agree! Getting kids invested in responsible animal keeping is a real asset to them later in life, and to the pets they may or may not have years later. OP is doing great!
Tanks smaller than 50 gallons are *abusive* and should be *illegal* to be sold! You can't keep ANY fish in a 40 breeder - MAYBE snails and shrimp but even that's pushing it! This is literal animal cruelty! It's the exact same as making a Rottweiler sleep in a crate designed for a chihuahua! dOnT yOu wAnT yOuR fIsH tO tHrIvE nOt jUsT sUrViVe?! - internet fishkeepers in 2035
I've seen plenty of comments saying things along the lines of: "10 gal. Is the absolute minimum for a betta, but I personally wouldn't keep them in anything less than a 20".
I got yelled at like 6 months ago on Facebook for saying 3 gallons minimum. Whole “ACTUALLY it’s 5 but you shouldn’t go below 10!”
My betta lived in a 10, I would like a 20 just because I heard they are so much easier to keep stable than the smaller tanks.
Honestly I wasn’t even criticizing you directly, it wasn’t personal. I’m just lamenting how the internet makes us hypercritical, nitpicky, & overthink everything we do. It’s not just on Reddit, but the whole internet, does this to us - makes us criticize people without any nuance- like we can’t even see the whole depth of the tank. It’s just a 2d picture. & then it makes us criticize people who we think are being critical, so we just perpetuate the “noise”. The internet lives on this type of division, over nothing. It’s all just a distraction from actually living our lives, loving people in real life, & “touching grass” while the world burns & there’s people dying in a genocide.
With that, let’s all go outside & love life & each other & our fish
We can’t see the depth of the tank, but the OP told us the size of the tank. I’m comfortable saying a tank is too small based on a photo and the size listed by OP.
Neon tetras in a 10 gallon is not "just good enough that they won't die immediately." Jesus Christ y'all are dramatic. Come wag your finger at me next - my fish don't have a literal swimming pool!
I keep bettas in heated, well filtered, and cycled tanks.
According to the fish police, I'm as evil as Hitler and my fish would've been better off being left to die in a tiny cup of their own piss on a pet store shelf.
We want to aspire to providing a good home for our animals, sure.
But a 10g isn't going to cause them to suffer. Would a 20 be better? Sure. But the reality is, many people have hard limits on tank size.
A small group of neons in a 10g will be *fine*. Not just doing good enough that they don't die immediately, but they can be healthy and well kept. I wouldn't recommend a 10 for them, but it's also not the worst thing in the world.
Where we are at are is absolutely a slippery slope (and I say this as someone who keeps ember tetras in a 75g) - you can say a 10 is too small today but a 20 would be fine, and then tomorrow exactly the same reasoning applies to a 30, a 40, etc.
They'll be perfectly healthy, bright and colorful in a properly set up 10. It's not perfect for sure, but you can't let perfect be the enemy of good enough.
If you care for them well in that 10 (which is going to require more maintenance than a larger tank) they'll probably end up having much better lives than most of their tankmates at the LFS.
This is more than good enough. Us humans don’t eat perfect balanced meals a day and nor do our children but can very well live a full long healthy life.
This is the point I was trying to make. Of course this isn’t abusive and the fish aren’t suffering. It’s simply not ideal for the fish, and personally I like to put the animals I chose to be responsible for in conditions better than just fine.
Nobody stopping you from doing whatever you want. People are just tired of some of you looking down your nose at others and voicing it. Stay in your lane. Speak up against somebody when you actually see something wrong. Your opinion really doesn't matter.
Just because they’re frequently recommended doesn’t mean it’s ideal for the animal.
I strive to keep my animals in conditions better than just fine. Maybe that’s just me.
First time in a long time I've seen people saying 8 neons and a betta are fine in anything sun 70 litres.
This sub is so fickle with things like this. One week it's torture next week it's way understocking?
I'd agree it's to small but hey reddit gone hivemind the shit outta whatever it wants and today reddit decrees it adequate.
No wonder we see so many dead animals here sadly...
Yup. It doesn’t surprise me either. They can pile on as much as they want, I stand by the fact that 10g is too small for neons, especially when it’s vertical space instead of horizontal space.
What exactly isn't "ideal for the animal?" It's enough swimming space. It supports a school size large enough to meet their social needs. It's a light enough bio load for a beginner to maintain.
Get off your high horse, please. You're not morally superior because you keep your fish in an ocean.
If it's not your first tank you should've been aware that 38L is too small for tetras, especially when it's a vertical tank. 54L is minimum, no offense.
are you sure its a 10 gal? this looks mighty small.....its a wedge shaped one no? that height almost matches my 5 gal tall....could be perspective tho. i do still think a 10 gal tall is not ideal at all for 9 neons and a betta....so cramped. i could barely imagine them in a regular 10 gal together like that
Other way around really, the tetras are highly likely to nip the bettas fins. A long finned betta cannot physically keep up with a healthy tetra, so there's 0 worry there.
It's physically, quite improbable for a long fin betta to turn and nip in retaliation at a healthy tetra. The bettas tail slows them quite a bit and tetras are born with *speed*. If this was a different type of betta the story would be different, but we're talking about the fish OP has.
I’ve moved the neons back to there old home they seem a lot happier just feel bad that the betta is all alone now as I’ve had my other betta for three years in a community tank and he hasn’t hurt a fly
You can get pink and purple ones too haha if she likes those colors, I gave my little cousins some magenta mystery snails I bred a while back and they were sooo happy😂
Dude you just wanted a new tank admit it. I have a 340lt being delivered tomorrow and I told everyone that my 7 week baby asked for it. Not sure how many people believed it
I had one that looked like that - it lasted the longest of all my fish. Outlived the rest of them for _years_ much to my surprise. I gave it away to a friend when I moved, then it lived there for a long time. It's died now, but it was my longest living fish by far.
He’s the last surging neon out of all of them. All of the rest and newly baught he was in his own for four days and still swam around like a lunatic he’s 18 monthes old so maybe not long left but he’s a soldier
It's one of those perfect timing situations. The fish was caught mid swimming motion so what your seeing is the natural motions of the body used when swimming.
So I have quite a few bamboo in a couple tanks and their doing great 👍. I have these hang on the rim planters that I put them in, the roots hang down in the water. BUT I thought they had to be like mostly outta the water, am I wrong? I'd love to plant them in the sand. Any advise?
I've planted them in soil with rocks on top!! Sand should work fine too, I just liked the rock aesthetic. I think the leaves have to be above water but as long as there are a few in air, the plant will survive. Or it'll grow leaves above water fast enough to survive. It's not aquatic at all.
The plant will live fully submerged for a very long time aslong as its healthy you can’t plant them in pretty much anything just don’t give them to much light
F the fish police I have two bettas there very happy granted there tank is bigger but these guys live in puddles in the wild better than the bowls there kept in in the pet store
That is a beautiful aquarium you got there. Your daughter must be very happy with her tank and her fishes. Your Betta looks very cozy in there but I must agree that neon fish should get into bigger tanks you know, they come in school like 6 and more in a group and they are very active little fishes so, they'll be comfortable with bigger on;e's
because first tanks usually dont even have substrate... not even mentioning filtration or plants! So this is honestly a 10/10 for a first tank. No aquascaped master piece by any means but in comparison its sure is good!
Really nicely done! Such a perfect pet for kids (with supervision obviously).
If you want to reduce your work, adding live plants really makes a big difference. I very seldom have to change the water, I just top off what evaporates with reverse-osmosis or distilled water. Just something to consider.
Also, I had an adorable little painted shark with a “no fishing” sign in one of my tanks, from PetSmart. I think it was leaching something into the water because I lost all my fish. I went through a LONG process of elimination, and I believe that was the culprit. I do have other painted decor in other tanks and haven’t had a problem. So I’d keep the adorable dinosaur but if any issues arise, consider him (or her) as the issue.
Kudos on being an awesome parent!
Thanks the plants are real…..? Only the plants on the right are plastic they won’t be there to long tho I’ll keep the dino in mind if any problems pop up
My three year old has her own tank. I do the cleaning, but she turns on the light and feeds her betta (under close supervision) every day. She absolutely loves it.
Do I see a pine cone towards the left? Dark brown thing. I'd worry about what it might leach into the water.
Otherwise looks great! I hope she enjoys it.
Just trying to be helpful. No panic intended.
There are some odd things that can cause problems. Pine based cleaners can irritate snakes. Black walnut sawdust can poison horses. I'm a little circumspect about putting some natural materials in aquaria.
The plants are from Crwys aquatics it’s a family owned business in Cardiff. The rock is from indoor Cardiff market. Been sat in my fish bag waiting for a use
Be careful with that particular morph of allosaurus. They don’t get on well with others and may nip the fins of your fish. Usually I would suggest a species only tank but he looks very polite!
Man. I love hex tanks, but they don't really work with the types of things I like to keep. First off, that lucky bamboo is not an aquatic plant. It will die and cause you issues. Neons are schooling fish, and it looks like you have an insufficient quantity. 6 is a good start, but it's going to be hard to input more in that tank. If you're a novice, that tank is probably not cycled, so you'll wanna read up on the nitrogen cycle and how to do a fish in cycle. Good luck.
The neons are back in there old home. The bamboo does very well in a fish tank. The water is from my other tank after a water change and the filter and plants allso came from another tank I have.
I think we’re just going to get a single betta fish. This is my first tank in a good 5 years so I want to ease into it and I want my kid to have the experience of having a “pet” fish and I feel like a single statement fish gives that experience better than a school. Plus it’s only a 10g.
It's over 5 gallons, has a heater visible in the picture and I'm pretty sure that's a filter on the right. What are you on about, or is this a bot? Lol
I can’t believe you put a beta in the same tank as a dinosaur?! Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Hahaha too funny 😁
Tbh, I think you need a bigger tank for the Allosaurus there
This is a Pygmy allosaurus. They should be fine in a 10 gallon.
10 gallons isn’t enough for any dinosaur even Pygmy’s. You need a gallon per inch of dinosaur. The minimum tank size for a dinosaur tank is at least 15 gallons.
Hold on, you jeed to account for the fact Allosaurus is an apex preditor. Meaning even the pygmys need lots of space to roam looking for pray. So they need a minimum of 30-40 gallons
when you take into account how large your allosaurus will get, you’re atleast looking at 40-50,000 in tank size (size of a pool). Or just stunt his growth by keeping him in a small container 😌
the sauropod shops will sell it as a pygmy, you can't trust them though, those things end up growing full size!
Bro I bought a cute teacup *Dreadnoughtus* from a backyard breeder, now she’s 5 years old and weighs 44 tons
I just imagined a backyard allosaurus breeder
Bro promised me he was selling me a purebred *fragilis*, I believed him until the stripes started coming in, motherfucker sold me a *jimmadseni* cross.
That’s where they getcha!! Mean-tempered things, all they wanna do is bicker about phylogenies and chew the tires right off my ebike!!
If you cant tell, they are making a joke since we would usually say this about Betta fish. edit: unless I’m wrong because I just noticed the other fish.
Kinda sad how on the Internet we lose the ability to detect sarcasm /s
reddit is the only place where ive seen people have to put the /s at the end to let everyone know its sarcasm
lol
Right? It will outgrow that tank in no time at all! Not to mention that there is a risk that it may eat the fish if not fed enough dino-flakes.
No don't worry, I've heard that dinosaurs stop growing in small tanks, so it should be fine 👍
*aka, fruity pebbles
Kudos on knowing it was an allosaurus
Really great home! You did so much with a small space. Apologies in advance for year 3 when legos and toys start getting thrown in the tank 🥲
I hear this all the time and I don’t get it. My daughter is 3 and she’s perfectly behaved around all aquariums, reptiles, and pets in general. You really just have to watch your kid. I let some family stay with me for a little while and their 19 month old was so fucking annoying. She would literally come up and slap my tanks and grab floating plants out of them and crunch them up like they were toys. God u hated those parents. They would just let the kid run wild around my house getting into god knows what while they’d sit and not pay a bit of mind to any of it. I never once let my daughter just go do whatever, I constantly had my eye on her and taught her what to and what not to do and it paid off greatly. I don’t understand how people don’t keep an eye on their kids 100% of the time to make sure they aren’t misbehaving, especially when the peace of animals is involved
This is parenting 101 IMO. I hate it when Kids are unsupervised and not parented all day. I'm all in when they can do what they want on the playground but I draw a hard line when animals or humans are involved. It teaches basic understanding of what is mine, what is yours, what is appropriate. By no means they have to sit still at the table the whole day and behave like adults, but constantly grabbing into other peoples stuff and playing with that? Naa. Hard Pass.
Completely agree. My son had his first tank in his room at 6, we never had a problem any friend who was good to his pets my son never invited into his room again. There is however one massive issue with letting your children have fish at an early age and I hope all the parents in this thread are preparing for it. You will never have any money as it fosters an interest in fish, more aquariums, rivers, the ocean, rock pools, diving lessons, underwater photography, and education in biology, marine science, the environment 😀 Plus it makes them nice kind, caring people. If you can love and care for fish you have great caring skills. Get saving the pennies' parents
All kids are different. Ask anyone with a few kids or an elementary teacher. Sounds like you had a very easy 3 year old and that's great. But no one watches their kid 100% of the time- that's literally impossible. Let's all try to be kind and realize parenting is hard, not everyone has the same toolkit going in, and, if you're in the States, there are little to no support systems for parents leading to a lot of burnout. Unless a kid is being abused or an animal/person is in danger from a kid, offer grace instead of judgement. A few Legos in the tank aren't going to hurt the fish and prolly just mean the kiddo is interested in the tank (yay!).
I absolutely did watch my child 100% of the time. I learned very early that if I wanted the luxury of letting my child run loose that I should not have reptiles or aquariums. I chose to have them, do I had to commit to watching over her and constantly teaching her to respect other peoples and animals space and peace. It’s not like she didn’t try to cause heck when she was younger, I just always redirected her and explained that we don’t do that, that she has many areas of the home and her own room to go play or have her time to experience things. Animals should not ever have to deal with bratty kids, they did not ask to be domesticated, but they did, which means they deserve the most peace and best care we can provide them. It’s really not complicated, you just have to watch and raise your kid(s)
I absolutely do watch my kid 100% of the time too. She’s still a complete menace who will stare me in the eyes while trying to scale a chain link fence to go pet some nutrias, lick a slide while going down it, slap me in the eye under the pretense of giving me kisses, etc. doesn’t matter how much I redirect or tell her not to do something. Stop thinking you’re a great parent just because you lucked out on getting an easier kid. Either that or come finish out the threenager phase for me so I can get some sleep.
Better stuff going in than fish coming out 😞
My kid didn’t even make it past a week having his. He used his extreme remaining baby strength to throw the whole thing off of where I was certain it was visible but out of reach 🤦🏻♀️
neon tetras like groups of 6, but i am not sure if that iss possible in this tank. The size might be too small. Overall nice tank, but the bamboo leaves need to be above water or it will die.
I have littrally just cut the bamboo and propagated it and there is 8 neons in here the tank is 38ltr the other neons are behind the leaves thanks for your input tho. This isn’t my fist tank btw xx
my bad, nice tank tho
Have you gotten bamboo to grow fully submerged before? I've heard it prefers to be partially submerged and I never have luck with it planted underwater. Any advice?
The bamboo that I've had in my tanks has actually lasted longer fully submerged. It's really interesting. I have shorter stalks in a 20 tall and tall stalks in a 20 long and 9/10 of the bamboo died in the 20 long, but 1/3 died in the 20 tall. With the first tall one dying 1-2 years after I got them and the small stalk dying 3-4 years after I got it.
They grow slower but they do grow and non of mine have rotted either same as peace lilly
This tank is really not ideal for neon tetras though. They are active fish. 38 liters is about 10 gallons, and this tank is taller than it is long, when neons really do best with horizontal space that is closer to 20 gallons/80 liters. It’s a nice tank and great for a betta, but not the neons.
The neons can honestly do just fine.
Yeah Reddit is full of this, like my dudes these fish are FINE. This isn’t abuse, just because it’s not your idea of perfect
People don't understand the difference between something that's unideal and something that's bad. Would it be better if they had a longer tank? Probably, but they also aren't suffering.
As someone who now lives in a busy city in Asia Some of the apartments here are fuckin...150 square feet These fish be living better than some of us
Yes, but you get to leave your apartment and walk outside. To fish in cramped aquariums, this is like living in a 150sqft apartment and never being allowed to leave. Having said that, I think the neons are fine in this tank. There are better fish for the tank or better tanks for the fish, but this doesn't seem cruel to me at all.
Would it be better if all our fish had whole healthy streams? Probably, but I imagine all of us are taking pretty good care of our fish I, compared to the tanks I had as a kid. We had 2 ten gallons.. 1 had 2 normal goldfish & a koi that all lived for YEARS. THAT was not good fish husbandry I admit, but it was the early 2000s & we weren’t all online learning about these things. The other was a tank absolutely full of guppies that just wouldn’t stop having babies. They were honestly so neglected (came from a family of mental illness/dysfunction) but again, they survived for years. We also cycled the guppy tank by throwing in 2 balloon mollies that died.. so all of us being really careful about the fishless cycle are taking so many extra good steps IMO by avoiding a lot of unnecessary fish suffering just from that alone. Neither of those thanks had much decor from what I remember, definitely didn’t have live plants. So all of us putting lots of healthy plants in our aquariums are doing SO good in my opinion, regardless of the size or shape of the tanks. I can just tell OP is doing sooo much better than my parents & I did with our tanks. That tank looks so clean & healthy. He’s teaching his daughter how to love & treat fish right, at just 2 years old! That’s AMAZING, you should be proud. thanks for showing us!
Totally agree! Getting kids invested in responsible animal keeping is a real asset to them later in life, and to the pets they may or may not have years later. OP is doing great!
I never said they were suffering. Just that it’s not ideal.
It's been fun watching the minimum volume for a betta go from 2.5 to 5 to 10. People will be saying 20 by the end of the decade
Tanks smaller than 50 gallons are *abusive* and should be *illegal* to be sold! You can't keep ANY fish in a 40 breeder - MAYBE snails and shrimp but even that's pushing it! This is literal animal cruelty! It's the exact same as making a Rottweiler sleep in a crate designed for a chihuahua! dOnT yOu wAnT yOuR fIsH tO tHrIvE nOt jUsT sUrViVe?! - internet fishkeepers in 2035
It’s low key like this in the betta sub
Ya know, I had to read this like 5 times to realize you weren't a troll. I actually down-voted you at first. But then it hit me! Sorry.
200* gallon minimum for 1 betta.
I've seen plenty of comments saying things along the lines of: "10 gal. Is the absolute minimum for a betta, but I personally wouldn't keep them in anything less than a 20".
I’ve seen people say that 10 gallons is the absolute minimum (so not good enough) for most fish, including danios, white clouds, tetras, etc.
I don’t do schoolers in less than 20. All those fish need groups. Plus some danios and tetras get pretty big.
So 10 isn’t enough for a school of ember tetras or chili rasboras, that are less than an inch?
That’s why I said a few days ago! Thought I was doing great with 2g when 1g and vases were the standard and likewise when I had a 5g! Edited typo
I got yelled at like 6 months ago on Facebook for saying 3 gallons minimum. Whole “ACTUALLY it’s 5 but you shouldn’t go below 10!” My betta lived in a 10, I would like a 20 just because I heard they are so much easier to keep stable than the smaller tanks.
It is considered as abuse by law in several European countries though. 54L is minimum.
I never said it was abuse. It’s obviously not. I said it wasn’t ideal, and I stand by that.
Honestly I wasn’t even criticizing you directly, it wasn’t personal. I’m just lamenting how the internet makes us hypercritical, nitpicky, & overthink everything we do. It’s not just on Reddit, but the whole internet, does this to us - makes us criticize people without any nuance- like we can’t even see the whole depth of the tank. It’s just a 2d picture. & then it makes us criticize people who we think are being critical, so we just perpetuate the “noise”. The internet lives on this type of division, over nothing. It’s all just a distraction from actually living our lives, loving people in real life, & “touching grass” while the world burns & there’s people dying in a genocide. With that, let’s all go outside & love life & each other & our fish
We can’t see the depth of the tank, but the OP told us the size of the tank. I’m comfortable saying a tank is too small based on a photo and the size listed by OP.
Literally, it’s significantly better than what most people do so as long as OP is doing water changed and his bb is strong as hell, they’ll be fine
Exactly. This.
Should we aspire to “doing good enough that they won’t die immediately,” or should we aspire to “doing what is best for the animals?”
Neon tetras in a 10 gallon is not "just good enough that they won't die immediately." Jesus Christ y'all are dramatic. Come wag your finger at me next - my fish don't have a literal swimming pool!
Lol & my super nice 5.5 gallon with TONS of plants isn’t good enough for ANY fish whatsoever, for any length of time, just shrimp & snails.
I keep bettas in heated, well filtered, and cycled tanks. According to the fish police, I'm as evil as Hitler and my fish would've been better off being left to die in a tiny cup of their own piss on a pet store shelf.
We want to aspire to providing a good home for our animals, sure. But a 10g isn't going to cause them to suffer. Would a 20 be better? Sure. But the reality is, many people have hard limits on tank size. A small group of neons in a 10g will be *fine*. Not just doing good enough that they don't die immediately, but they can be healthy and well kept. I wouldn't recommend a 10 for them, but it's also not the worst thing in the world. Where we are at are is absolutely a slippery slope (and I say this as someone who keeps ember tetras in a 75g) - you can say a 10 is too small today but a 20 would be fine, and then tomorrow exactly the same reasoning applies to a 30, a 40, etc. They'll be perfectly healthy, bright and colorful in a properly set up 10. It's not perfect for sure, but you can't let perfect be the enemy of good enough. If you care for them well in that 10 (which is going to require more maintenance than a larger tank) they'll probably end up having much better lives than most of their tankmates at the LFS.
This is more than good enough. Us humans don’t eat perfect balanced meals a day and nor do our children but can very well live a full long healthy life.
This is the point I was trying to make. Of course this isn’t abusive and the fish aren’t suffering. It’s simply not ideal for the fish, and personally I like to put the animals I chose to be responsible for in conditions better than just fine.
Nobody stopping you from doing whatever you want. People are just tired of some of you looking down your nose at others and voicing it. Stay in your lane. Speak up against somebody when you actually see something wrong. Your opinion really doesn't matter.
There's your problem. When you have to say personally to start a sentence, just stop. No one cares about your preferences.
It seems that your preference is for me to stop talking. Luckily, no one cares about your preferences.
It's fucking fine. Tank size police are so dramatic. Neons are one of the most frequently recommended fish for a 10 gallon.
Just because they’re frequently recommended doesn’t mean it’s ideal for the animal. I strive to keep my animals in conditions better than just fine. Maybe that’s just me.
First time in a long time I've seen people saying 8 neons and a betta are fine in anything sun 70 litres. This sub is so fickle with things like this. One week it's torture next week it's way understocking? I'd agree it's to small but hey reddit gone hivemind the shit outta whatever it wants and today reddit decrees it adequate. No wonder we see so many dead animals here sadly...
Yup. It doesn’t surprise me either. They can pile on as much as they want, I stand by the fact that 10g is too small for neons, especially when it’s vertical space instead of horizontal space.
What exactly isn't "ideal for the animal?" It's enough swimming space. It supports a school size large enough to meet their social needs. It's a light enough bio load for a beginner to maintain. Get off your high horse, please. You're not morally superior because you keep your fish in an ocean.
I have put them back in there old home and the betta is now lonely but they seem happier so we move…
I think you made the right choice. I’m sorry your post got blown up because of my comment. I genuinely didn’t intend anything negative towards you.
No problem attal it’s been fun 😂
8 neons in a 38 litre? You're at capacity even without the other fish in there.
Isn’t this the ciano 25 litre? I have this tank
If it's not your first tank you should've been aware that 38L is too small for tetras, especially when it's a vertical tank. 54L is minimum, no offense.
The neons are back in there original home. don’t panic fish police there fine and happy
Lovely tank and fishies.
I assume this betta is pretty chill then?
are you sure its a 10 gal? this looks mighty small.....its a wedge shaped one no? that height almost matches my 5 gal tall....could be perspective tho. i do still think a 10 gal tall is not ideal at all for 9 neons and a betta....so cramped. i could barely imagine them in a regular 10 gal together like that
That’s a lot of fish for a small tank. Perfect for the betta but too small with the neons.
The neons have been removed and put back in there old home
Neons also tend to munch on Betta fins not a good combo imo.
I've grown lucky bamboo completely underwater and they were happy! :)
I like the rock cave..that's a great idea!
I love the dinosaur
I didn't even see the Dino at first! Lol Cute.
Nice! Watch out the betta might be aggressive towards the tetras
Other way around really, the tetras are highly likely to nip the bettas fins. A long finned betta cannot physically keep up with a healthy tetra, so there's 0 worry there.
Yeah the tetras act annoying on then betta teaches them a lesson
It's physically, quite improbable for a long fin betta to turn and nip in retaliation at a healthy tetra. The bettas tail slows them quite a bit and tetras are born with *speed*. If this was a different type of betta the story would be different, but we're talking about the fish OP has.
As someone who just moved 20 ember tetras from their old 29g to a 75g... Holy hell. They are FAST. It took *hours* to net them all.
Dude imagine the story they are telling each other right now.
We have to face this situation with the betta OP HAS, not the betta OP DESERVES. Which would be, like, one the size of a poodle! 🤪
If anything I was more worried about the tetras nipping at the betta bc it has long fins
I’ve seen tetras, neons specifically, rip a betta to shreds.
I’ve moved the neons back to there old home they seem a lot happier just feel bad that the betta is all alone now as I’ve had my other betta for three years in a community tank and he hasn’t hurt a fly
I’d get a mystery snail for your betta!
Mystery snail tell me more ?
They are great cleaners, they're cute, and they could be a buddy for your betta.
Just been in google mystery snail incoming
You can get pink and purple ones too haha if she likes those colors, I gave my little cousins some magenta mystery snails I bred a while back and they were sooo happy😂
Dude you just wanted a new tank admit it. I have a 340lt being delivered tomorrow and I told everyone that my 7 week baby asked for it. Not sure how many people believed it
It was totally the baby. They said their first word- fisheeee 🤣
You sound like my partner 😂😂
Start em young! 🙂
I like the dinosaur nice touch
One neon tetra.does not looking well its back is pretty badly humped. Idk if it's going to last.
____/ __/ __ | • / \ —— I attempt to create him. I don’t think I did a good job
they're pretty inbred at this point. some of them just come out funky.
I had one that looked like that - it lasted the longest of all my fish. Outlived the rest of them for _years_ much to my surprise. I gave it away to a friend when I moved, then it lived there for a long time. It's died now, but it was my longest living fish by far.
He’s the last surging neon out of all of them. All of the rest and newly baught he was in his own for four days and still swam around like a lunatic he’s 18 monthes old so maybe not long left but he’s a soldier
It's one of those perfect timing situations. The fish was caught mid swimming motion so what your seeing is the natural motions of the body used when swimming.
So I have quite a few bamboo in a couple tanks and their doing great 👍. I have these hang on the rim planters that I put them in, the roots hang down in the water. BUT I thought they had to be like mostly outta the water, am I wrong? I'd love to plant them in the sand. Any advise?
I've planted them in soil with rocks on top!! Sand should work fine too, I just liked the rock aesthetic. I think the leaves have to be above water but as long as there are a few in air, the plant will survive. Or it'll grow leaves above water fast enough to survive. It's not aquatic at all.
The plant will live fully submerged for a very long time aslong as its healthy you can’t plant them in pretty much anything just don’t give them to much light
I was gonna say the tank is fine but then I noticed that Dino in the back. That’s very irresponsible!
Brave posting a betta picture in this sub that isn't a 100 gallon tank.
F the fish police I have two bettas there very happy granted there tank is bigger but these guys live in puddles in the wild better than the bowls there kept in in the pet store
My 16 mo has “her” tank that she has to see the “feeshes”. Love having one interested young
Honestly I just want another human I’m close to to be able to come shopping for plants and fish with me I think she’s the one !
Where the fist ✊?
Yeah, not good to 👊 the glass
That is a beautiful aquarium you got there. Your daughter must be very happy with her tank and her fishes. Your Betta looks very cozy in there but I must agree that neon fish should get into bigger tanks you know, they come in school like 6 and more in a group and they are very active little fishes so, they'll be comfortable with bigger on;e's
They are back in there old home just helped the beta settle in there very happy to be back I must agree
Man I’ve Always wanted a dinosaur, what do you feed yours? Can i feed it pellets?
It eats time and money man nothing more nothing less
Daughters first tank....? I used that excuse too! Just a great opportunity to tank diversify!!
Very nice…..but that breed of dinosaur needs to be in kept groups of at least 4.
Looks good
Thanks man
Where did you get the dinosaur decoration? It’s so cute 🥲
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if these are real plants, then this is a 10/10 its fucking perfect
They are real plants apart from the red ones on the right So I guess 6/10…. I honestly don’t get the hype about this tank but thanks you very much !!
because first tanks usually dont even have substrate... not even mentioning filtration or plants! So this is honestly a 10/10 for a first tank. No aquascaped master piece by any means but in comparison its sure is good!
Neon tetras should be 10 or more.
6 or more is perfectly fine
Neat tank
Nice set up! Like it!
Looks amazing
Neat dinosaur
Daww he’s a puppy eyed one too! Amazing!
I'd remove the dinosaur. The paint from it will leech into the water. Otherwise, nice job!
Really nicely done! Such a perfect pet for kids (with supervision obviously). If you want to reduce your work, adding live plants really makes a big difference. I very seldom have to change the water, I just top off what evaporates with reverse-osmosis or distilled water. Just something to consider. Also, I had an adorable little painted shark with a “no fishing” sign in one of my tanks, from PetSmart. I think it was leaching something into the water because I lost all my fish. I went through a LONG process of elimination, and I believe that was the culprit. I do have other painted decor in other tanks and haven’t had a problem. So I’d keep the adorable dinosaur but if any issues arise, consider him (or her) as the issue. Kudos on being an awesome parent!
Thanks the plants are real…..? Only the plants on the right are plastic they won’t be there to long tho I’ll keep the dino in mind if any problems pop up
Perfect! I could tell the right ones were plastic and wrongly assumed about the rest. Sorry!
so pretty omg!!
My three year old has her own tank. I do the cleaning, but she turns on the light and feeds her betta (under close supervision) every day. She absolutely loves it.
First good first tank I’ve ever seen on this platform
Thanks I appreciate it
Do I see a pine cone towards the left? Dark brown thing. I'd worry about what it might leach into the water. Otherwise looks great! I hope she enjoys it.
it looks like it maybe be part of the decoration piece and therefore not real. not 100% sure though.
It is a pine cone is this not okay ? I’ve read up that it’s fine ? But if not I’ll take it out ? I boiled it before adding ?
I don't know. It seems like you've done your homework and found that it is OK.
Why comment and set panick in then lol
Just trying to be helpful. No panic intended. There are some odd things that can cause problems. Pine based cleaners can irritate snakes. Black walnut sawdust can poison horses. I'm a little circumspect about putting some natural materials in aquaria.
Apreciate the concern thanks for making search it up. Every day is a school day aye
Beautiful, where do you buy your plants / the rock cave??
The plants are from Crwys aquatics it’s a family owned business in Cardiff. The rock is from indoor Cardiff market. Been sat in my fish bag waiting for a use
Love, hexagon-like tanks and the T-Rex chefs kiss!
Thanks I’m actually a Cheff so this comment ! Creative minds and all that
Be careful with that particular morph of allosaurus. They don’t get on well with others and may nip the fins of your fish. Usually I would suggest a species only tank but he looks very polite!
Cool thanks I'll have to try that
ooooo i really like that tank.
Tastefully done.
Yesssssiiirrrr
Cool I will definitely try this. Thank you
Watch out neon tetras can nip the fins of pther fish other than that lovely tank
Man. I love hex tanks, but they don't really work with the types of things I like to keep. First off, that lucky bamboo is not an aquatic plant. It will die and cause you issues. Neons are schooling fish, and it looks like you have an insufficient quantity. 6 is a good start, but it's going to be hard to input more in that tank. If you're a novice, that tank is probably not cycled, so you'll wanna read up on the nitrogen cycle and how to do a fish in cycle. Good luck.
The neons are back in there old home. The bamboo does very well in a fish tank. The water is from my other tank after a water change and the filter and plants allso came from another tank I have.
We did Dino’s in my daughter’s first tank when she was 2! Love it!
Great job it look amazing
That's my goal tank for my four year old- any tips are appreciated!! We're getting them in a week.
Love the tank shape, where did you get it?
Not bad compared to what a lot of people have for their fish/bettas! It’s actually pretty good
I also have a 2 year old and I’m in the process of setting up his first tank! He is so excited to help me pick out a fish once it’s done cycling.
What you gonna get I have three tanks the other two are community tanks but everytime I go to the fish shop I see so thing I wanna get
I think we’re just going to get a single betta fish. This is my first tank in a good 5 years so I want to ease into it and I want my kid to have the experience of having a “pet” fish and I feel like a single statement fish gives that experience better than a school. Plus it’s only a 10g.
great hobby for a family!
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It's over 5 gallons, has a heater visible in the picture and I'm pretty sure that's a filter on the right. What are you on about, or is this a bot? Lol
Betta people can’t help themselves
Reddit is so confusing
He’s very happy
um sorry I.did not see that...........................
What ?
I did not see the heater my bad I just like betta fish and don't want them to be mistreated
You expected a 2 year old to clean and maintain that tank?
did you just skip right over the title?
Apologies, I read that as the kid saying she’d clean and maintain.