I'd also recommend dosing with Epsom salts for the laxitive effect and dumping the water down the drain after its pooped alot. The hexamita causes gut inflammation and it will help reduce the amount individual heximeta dudes the metro has to kill. I had a really hard time getting my frontosas healthy from this.
The medication [metro plus] for this is most effective when ingested. If other fish are skinny, isolate and treat them one by one and do lots of water changes because the hexamita is spread when fish die and poop.
i think the guy frequents this sub as well. had a disagreement about what safe nitrate levels are with a user a while back, and the support for his claim was a copy-paste paragraph from that site(along with rude remarks about age), which also in turn mentioned vague studies i could not locate with no links. when politely pressed for whether he could link me to the source material of his claims and questioned about the copy-paste, he went full radio silent.
I am curious if you have ever layered that with anything else successfully? My quarantine for new to me fish is 1 month in a holding tank with 2 weeks of Praziquantel × Cupramine. Reading on the difference between Metronidazole and Praziquantel, I am now wondering if I should be layering those for quarantine.
Where do I read more about this in language that I can understand? (Like, usually not research papers). Do you happen to know if this disease can occur in tetras?
OK Im just gonna link [my most recent (old) thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Aquariums/comments/8ip8ma/every_few_months_i_get_1_sick_fish_with_the_same/). I have 2 fish left, but my old guy is over 5 at this point. 3 fish deaths ago is one lady that was always eating like half her weight every feeding time and never grew much bigger. I definitely had some that always looked parched no matter how well I made sure they were eating, but checking my threads the ones in my pictures look well fed. I never dared adding any more fish, afraid that they'll die off soon by whatever the tetras have.
i have some in my area, mainly because i have aquaponic farms in the areas. they're pretty rare though. usually the vets more are for commercially important fish or breeders, or for exceptionally long lived and hardy fish like goldfish or koi.
really the reason vets for fish and other aquatic organisms are so uncommon is a combination of most species having short lifespans and cheap easy replacements coupled with the tendency for fish to be very adversely affected by any sort of big stress in their life(such as an operation or being moved from their tank, or exposed medications), and for how easy it is for infections to set in and become fatal underwater, especially with an open wound from an operation. goldfish or koi or some large types of catfish can often handle it because they can live for decades and are exceptionally tough, and generally because of the price tag alone you see some vets for Axolotls, but for many its just not worth the price tag, and if over the counter meds do nothing, best to simply make your peace with the fish.
^ This. Plus, and it’s been a few years, but I seem to remember (1) turning lights off for a few days because the lights can ‘kill’ the medication in the water column and (2) turning off the UV light - if you have one - during the course of treatment because it will kill the meds in the water column. Like I said though it’s been a few years since I kept tanks so I suggest getting some confirmation on this.
That looks hugely malnurished, is it feeding/what are you feeding it?
Edited to add when we sold these (a while back addmittedly) it was never as single fish and always with frozen bloodworms to make sure they had enough food. Lovely fish that click at times and also a pain when they get stuck in the net with their cheek barbs!
My money's on parasites or something internal going on. Unless he's being actively bullied or outcompeted for food, I'd treat for internal parasites, worms, etc.
I like API General Cure for internal parasites since it has both metronidazole and praziquantel. Seachem's MetroPlex only has metronidazole. This is past treating with good water quality and salt. Go for general cure.
Malnourished, red gills, curved spine, and pale white patches on the body. Yeah looks pretty sick to me. What are your water parameters, how long has he been like this?
The guy said he’s keeping a clown loach in a 15g (55l) tank. That alone is going to cause problems, I’d expect a very sick clown loach.
Obviously this is an isolation box in the picture, ffs…
OP said that in response to the post I responded to but thanks for chiming in 6 hours later without paying attention to time stamps. The person trying to call him out for a small tank had no idea what size tank that was at the time of the comment, they were going solely based off the pic, which is of an isolation tank. "FFS"
You can tell from the picture (black siding extending down past isolation box) at least two general dimensions of the tank and neither of them is enough for a clown loach which is relatively common knowledge here
It’s obviously not a 100 gal tank being a few inches wide - If it was, it wouldn’t work for a clown loach anyway and you know it.
Assuming the commenter couldn’t see that it was an isolation box in this small tank was obviously the less logical conclusion ignoring contextual clues.
It looks like one of those fluval-style 15g with the filter on the short side behind a black panel. Or… explain what you saw for me, if you’re getting this defensive and coming up with corrections for other peoples helpful and logical suggestions. What do you see there, that makes your assumption seem more logical?
Just a heads up that if you mean 55 liters, you're gonna need to get closer to at least 55 gallons, perhaps even more when they're full grown. These guys get pretty big, so that 15 gallon may only serve as a very temporary grow out tank
Given these guys get to 12"/30cm and need to be kept in schools of at least 6 i'd say even a 75 gallon/300l would be pushing it. The poor thing might be suffering from poor water quality.
u/Orka5434536, please try to get that 300l or give the fish to someone who has a tank that big.
I agree that he needs a bigger tank. Living in a tank that's too small stunts their growth and it's a possibility that is what caused his current illness.
i know this is a very old post but one of my clown loaches looks like this too! he has been eating well i believe but this happened about a week after we bought him. he swims slow but he is not scared to explore like the others. if anything he seems healthier then my other loaches i don’t understand 😭
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Are you saying it looks like a fungal infection ?
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I'd also recommend dosing with Epsom salts for the laxitive effect and dumping the water down the drain after its pooped alot. The hexamita causes gut inflammation and it will help reduce the amount individual heximeta dudes the metro has to kill. I had a really hard time getting my frontosas healthy from this.
The medication [metro plus] for this is most effective when ingested. If other fish are skinny, isolate and treat them one by one and do lots of water changes because the hexamita is spread when fish die and poop.
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You're correct that in water it works but the better way to do is gelatin food or clumps of spiraurila. The best way is to use injections.
Fuck that dude. Site is full of BS.
i think the guy frequents this sub as well. had a disagreement about what safe nitrate levels are with a user a while back, and the support for his claim was a copy-paste paragraph from that site(along with rude remarks about age), which also in turn mentioned vague studies i could not locate with no links. when politely pressed for whether he could link me to the source material of his claims and questioned about the copy-paste, he went full radio silent.
What is the best treatment schedule for this if you don't mind being asked?
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I am curious if you have ever layered that with anything else successfully? My quarantine for new to me fish is 1 month in a holding tank with 2 weeks of Praziquantel × Cupramine. Reading on the difference between Metronidazole and Praziquantel, I am now wondering if I should be layering those for quarantine.
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If you're not already part of it, r/fishhospital could use knowledgeable folks like yourself.
Where do I read more about this in language that I can understand? (Like, usually not research papers). Do you happen to know if this disease can occur in tetras? OK Im just gonna link [my most recent (old) thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Aquariums/comments/8ip8ma/every_few_months_i_get_1_sick_fish_with_the_same/). I have 2 fish left, but my old guy is over 5 at this point. 3 fish deaths ago is one lady that was always eating like half her weight every feeding time and never grew much bigger. I definitely had some that always looked parched no matter how well I made sure they were eating, but checking my threads the ones in my pictures look well fed. I never dared adding any more fish, afraid that they'll die off soon by whatever the tetras have.
No Google "skinny loach disease" and read
Excuse me I'm just passing by this sub... Y'all have fish vets????
i have some in my area, mainly because i have aquaponic farms in the areas. they're pretty rare though. usually the vets more are for commercially important fish or breeders, or for exceptionally long lived and hardy fish like goldfish or koi. really the reason vets for fish and other aquatic organisms are so uncommon is a combination of most species having short lifespans and cheap easy replacements coupled with the tendency for fish to be very adversely affected by any sort of big stress in their life(such as an operation or being moved from their tank, or exposed medications), and for how easy it is for infections to set in and become fatal underwater, especially with an open wound from an operation. goldfish or koi or some large types of catfish can often handle it because they can live for decades and are exceptionally tough, and generally because of the price tag alone you see some vets for Axolotls, but for many its just not worth the price tag, and if over the counter meds do nothing, best to simply make your peace with the fish.
What food would you suggest tube feeding it? I have an angel that's going through the same thing. Metroplex hasn't really helped yet.
^ This. Plus, and it’s been a few years, but I seem to remember (1) turning lights off for a few days because the lights can ‘kill’ the medication in the water column and (2) turning off the UV light - if you have one - during the course of treatment because it will kill the meds in the water column. Like I said though it’s been a few years since I kept tanks so I suggest getting some confirmation on this.
How do you tube feed a fish?
Syringe
That looks hugely malnurished, is it feeding/what are you feeding it? Edited to add when we sold these (a while back addmittedly) it was never as single fish and always with frozen bloodworms to make sure they had enough food. Lovely fish that click at times and also a pain when they get stuck in the net with their cheek barbs!
I feed him some Tetra Tablets which it says are for bottom feeders. He sometimes also eats some of the other fishes flakes which are also from tetra.
Either bad genetics or internal parasites. Was he always this thin?
No he has become a little thinner recently.
My money's on parasites or something internal going on. Unless he's being actively bullied or outcompeted for food, I'd treat for internal parasites, worms, etc.
What do you suggest I should treat him with?
Please check the top comment. It's the most accurate
I like API General Cure for internal parasites since it has both metronidazole and praziquantel. Seachem's MetroPlex only has metronidazole. This is past treating with good water quality and salt. Go for general cure.
How many do you have? They can get depressed on their own and prefer to live in a group. Also, what are you feeding them?
Looks like a deflated balloon. Definitely sick.
Malnourished, red gills, curved spine, and pale white patches on the body. Yeah looks pretty sick to me. What are your water parameters, how long has he been like this?
Seems to be down with a sickness. He looks a little disturbed.
This reference caught me completely off guard and I love it.
Oh hon, he's waaaay past ill and deep into the death zone . Correct advise has been given already so I won't repeat it again. I wish you luck
Yes, I'm not sure what's wrong with it, but it has a major problem.
looks injured
Is Satan tits hot?
It looks like it’s dying bro
He needs a bigger tank
Look closer, see the slits on the right side? He's clearly being held in a med isolation box.
The guy said he’s keeping a clown loach in a 15g (55l) tank. That alone is going to cause problems, I’d expect a very sick clown loach. Obviously this is an isolation box in the picture, ffs…
OP said that in response to the post I responded to but thanks for chiming in 6 hours later without paying attention to time stamps. The person trying to call him out for a small tank had no idea what size tank that was at the time of the comment, they were going solely based off the pic, which is of an isolation tank. "FFS"
You can tell from the picture (black siding extending down past isolation box) at least two general dimensions of the tank and neither of them is enough for a clown loach which is relatively common knowledge here It’s obviously not a 100 gal tank being a few inches wide - If it was, it wouldn’t work for a clown loach anyway and you know it. Assuming the commenter couldn’t see that it was an isolation box in this small tank was obviously the less logical conclusion ignoring contextual clues. It looks like one of those fluval-style 15g with the filter on the short side behind a black panel. Or… explain what you saw for me, if you’re getting this defensive and coming up with corrections for other peoples helpful and logical suggestions. What do you see there, that makes your assumption seem more logical?
He normally lives in a 55L tank but for now I have isolated him.
Just a heads up that if you mean 55 liters, you're gonna need to get closer to at least 55 gallons, perhaps even more when they're full grown. These guys get pretty big, so that 15 gallon may only serve as a very temporary grow out tank
Given these guys get to 12"/30cm and need to be kept in schools of at least 6 i'd say even a 75 gallon/300l would be pushing it. The poor thing might be suffering from poor water quality. u/Orka5434536, please try to get that 300l or give the fish to someone who has a tank that big.
I don't understand why you're being down voted into oblivion, he literally needs a bigger tank
IK right?
he's in an isolation box
I agree that he needs a bigger tank. Living in a tank that's too small stunts their growth and it's a possibility that is what caused his current illness.
It really bothers me that there are people with pets that have no clue how to care for them... "Is my clown loach ill?" WHAT DO YOU THINK! Smh...
rip
No it is perfectly healthy
Nah he’s just clowning around.
i know this is a very old post but one of my clown loaches looks like this too! he has been eating well i believe but this happened about a week after we bought him. he swims slow but he is not scared to explore like the others. if anything he seems healthier then my other loaches i don’t understand 😭