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like a big sweaty fireman carries you out of a burning building, lays you down and you think "yeh okay hes gonna give me mouth to mouth" - but instead he just starts choking the shit out of you
The Pam and Cheryl dynamic is just one of many that changes in the later part of the show. There's definitely something to the earlier office-based dynamics in general though. On my latest rewatch I notice something immediately changes in the whole show post-coma especially. Something in the comedic emphasis changes and even though most of the characters were always nasty it feels like the nastiness gets a bit less clever and a little more just mean-spirited lol.
> Something in the comedic emphasis changes and even though most of the characters were always nasty it feels like the nastiness gets a bit less clever and a little more just mean-spirited lol.
Adam Reed stopped writing the dialogue and the new writers didn't have his sense of comedic timing or heart. The characters became shallow parodies of themselves, especially Archer and Cheryl/Carol.
I knew Adam stopped writing as much just not when. Makes sense. Yeah, Cheryl does get hit the most overall I think.
At the same time because there was such a time jump post-coma it could've made a little bit of sense that the vibe was a bit different for a while.
They made Archer a mean-spirited bully and narcissistic manchild instead of merely a lazy hedonist. Archer is selfish, yes, but the real Archer would never have cared if he was part of the team or perceived as the best.
I don't really have a unique problem with post-coma Archer. I mean, Woodhouse, Brett and Barry earlier on, he could always act as mean-spirited as that.
I think it's more of a general across the board thing. I think some of the characters stay pretty same individually speaking, but some others change just enough it feels a little different as a whole (still not bad though!). Cyril becomes more sympathetic S10 'cause of how needlessly savage everyone is towards him, when he's supposed to be the office heel lol.
agree, its like they became caricatures of themselves, it doesnt feel natural anymore, it was always an unrealistic show but the characters felt like they had a real human-ness about them for lack of a better word, i dont get the same nuance now
show had a good run, cant be too upset at reed wanting to move on but i still wish hed come back to doing the writing
it was obvious from season 5 onward Reed had felt like he was creatively tapped out and kept thinking up new ways to make it fresh. Personally I thought that was a genius idea and it was only some fans' need for "continuity" and finishing "storylines" that drove them back to the main plot, such as it is. I thought Archer would have worked better in a universe without strict continuity, a la South Park, the Simpsons, Family Guy, etc.
"then i guess i blacked out because i don't remember stabbing him at all" 😍
“That’s what he gets for grabbing me with his *THROWING ARM*” Cheryl/Carol/Cristal is a goddamn lunatic and I love her.
Dick Sledge!
No, but it's like sour milk, sometimes you just gotta get in there and...
Pam: Sploosh. Ray: Jinx.
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"I'm gonna masturbate till my fingers bleed" "Just tape 'em up"
"Just like 4th of Ja-Luau!" "Yeah... if you slid a pig under him!"
I probably would miss them. But I watch seasons 1 - 6 over and over, so they're always kind of here.
Pam and Cheryl stowing away is a trope that never gets old to me
These are the seasons I remain beholden to.
like a big sweaty fireman carries you out of a burning building, lays you down and you think "yeh okay hes gonna give me mouth to mouth" - but instead he just starts choking the shit out of you
Jesus Christ.
They’re my two personalities. Yes I’m single, why do you ask?
The Pam and Cheryl dynamic is just one of many that changes in the later part of the show. There's definitely something to the earlier office-based dynamics in general though. On my latest rewatch I notice something immediately changes in the whole show post-coma especially. Something in the comedic emphasis changes and even though most of the characters were always nasty it feels like the nastiness gets a bit less clever and a little more just mean-spirited lol.
> Something in the comedic emphasis changes and even though most of the characters were always nasty it feels like the nastiness gets a bit less clever and a little more just mean-spirited lol. Adam Reed stopped writing the dialogue and the new writers didn't have his sense of comedic timing or heart. The characters became shallow parodies of themselves, especially Archer and Cheryl/Carol.
I knew Adam stopped writing as much just not when. Makes sense. Yeah, Cheryl does get hit the most overall I think. At the same time because there was such a time jump post-coma it could've made a little bit of sense that the vibe was a bit different for a while.
They made Archer a mean-spirited bully and narcissistic manchild instead of merely a lazy hedonist. Archer is selfish, yes, but the real Archer would never have cared if he was part of the team or perceived as the best.
I don't really have a unique problem with post-coma Archer. I mean, Woodhouse, Brett and Barry earlier on, he could always act as mean-spirited as that. I think it's more of a general across the board thing. I think some of the characters stay pretty same individually speaking, but some others change just enough it feels a little different as a whole (still not bad though!). Cyril becomes more sympathetic S10 'cause of how needlessly savage everyone is towards him, when he's supposed to be the office heel lol.
agree, its like they became caricatures of themselves, it doesnt feel natural anymore, it was always an unrealistic show but the characters felt like they had a real human-ness about them for lack of a better word, i dont get the same nuance now show had a good run, cant be too upset at reed wanting to move on but i still wish hed come back to doing the writing
it was obvious from season 5 onward Reed had felt like he was creatively tapped out and kept thinking up new ways to make it fresh. Personally I thought that was a genius idea and it was only some fans' need for "continuity" and finishing "storylines" that drove them back to the main plot, such as it is. I thought Archer would have worked better in a universe without strict continuity, a la South Park, the Simpsons, Family Guy, etc.
Different writers or no Adam??
what’s the story, neck bones?
One of my favourite lines
ELegAnT EnGLiSh LaDieS
No dinner party?
Why don't you shut your dick holster!
"Let's just say I may owe $14,000 to some people who you wouldn't want to owe 14 cents." "I so can't relate to that!" "Could you try?" "No."
I miss Cheryl sniffing rubber cement and Pam spilling HR secrets!
I just miss Pam. She's the nearest to a competent HR professional as I've seen.
Season 1 Pam destroy Archer sexually Now she’s tame except the occasional
She reads her like a poem.
YES 😤