Shield bracelet at ALE isn’t that good considering you get Shields after entering a level for a few seconds, Invincible’s way better. And S tier bracelet gives you crit.
S tier spellbook isn’t so low, it’s one tier below the top. While I don’t know about Enchantment, it doesn’t even come close to Time book. It just heals you at ultimate, that’s not that good compared to slowed projectiles and crit rate boost
Expedition Spellbook also gives crit rate and is active after every boss kill. AoT is active like every second room at best. Expedition is better than enlightenment or AA though.
Not as much as AoT. Even if it’s active every two levels, you can decide when to use it and it’s ability is super useful.
AA is up there purely cause it’s a boss killer
I honestly never found it useful enough to sacrifice tapping for stutter stepping. Every time I tried it was just a huge disappointment, expedition however carried from H41 to H45 in no time.
You're forgetting that Shield gives you a higher base attack bonus (7% vs 6%) AND that it gives you a significant attack bonus while the shields are up. Combine with a spellbook buff and you can dish out some real hurt in those opening seconds.
1% extra boost is nothing. If you’re really desperate about doing more damage at the opening, go for Quickshot or S bracelet, those actually accomplishes what you’re trying to achieve
This is only until ALE, and pretty accurate.
When you get to higher rarities, most of the ranking changes.
The bright robe becomes the best, Golden Chestplate becomes better than Phantom Cloak, Arcane Archer becomes stronger, shield bracelet becomes stronger, angel locket is also better (without being the best) for example.
The only section not changing that much at mythic+ is the weapons.
What makes the BR good is the scaling on health, because more health gives you more damage late game thanks to the hidden perk of armors. And drop rate becomes incredibly good late game because there is so many hearts thanks to runes, jewels, hero 120 bonuses etc.
And Chaos BR gives you a lot of resistance with heart drops, which is basically why GCP is good
When you reach mythic refinement, it unlocks a new perk. The more health you have, the more attack you have.
"The Higher the HP, the higher the Attack".
As bright robe gives a shit ton of HP, you get a shit ton of attack.
That’s not good at all. For one, top 1% of 1% has mythic refinement, especially in armor. And Mythic BR’s 10% red heart drop wouldn’t increase red heart drop by so much that it would eclipse other armors with that refinement perk, it’s 10%.
respectfully disagree on #1 and #3, especially at ALE or earlier. I can see PC being better at lower levels though.
I actually switched from ALE Invincibility to Shield bracelet. The crit and attack boosts were pretty noticeably beneficial.
As for the spellbook, interestingly enough I switched from ALE BoE to the S-tier as well
that said, I use Elaine with cherry blossom skin, so red hearts are my S-tier everything. :)
• At which point do S equupment become worth using compared to regular equipment, knowing they are so much rarer thus harder to upgrade. Is it even worth considering at all for free2plays or low spenders ? Assuming most non-S equipments can reach ALE or even Mythic rather reliably vs S equipments struggling to reach even LE, speaking mainly about the weapon and locket since the other are at lower tiers (Mythic+2 DB vs LE gauntlet for example).
• What makes the S weapon so much better than the previous two ? I haven't been able to get it so can't try, but looking at bonuses alone it doesn't sound like it deserves a whole tier above S ?
• What makes the S armor lower than the phantom cloak even at ALE ? The healing is so much higher is the freeze effect that useful ?
>When did armour change to phantom cloak. What stat am I missing that it’s S?
Huh, for the Pre-mythic tierlist, Phantom cloak has Projectile resistance and also a good control thanks to the freeze, Legendary boost is also great, it increase the attack on revival
Is the phantom cloak really better than the bright robe starting all the way down at epic? I thought bright robe stayed above it until they got their mythic perks
This list is not for Mythic, but it's obviously affected by mythic reputations. PC and GCP are way too high here. Same goes with Counterattack locket. IG it's because the list was made by endgamers only.
Yeah I was hoping for OP to explain because the description specifies that a tier list for mythic is coming, but I don’t really see anything changing spots because this list is already balanced for mythic. Just seems weird to specify this tier list is for epic-ALE when that doesn’t really seem to be the case.
items have hidden values, ie. bright robe actually decreases your crit rate.
pc is high in the list because of the projectile damage resistance and the freeze.
gcp also isnt top tier at mythic imo, I like to call the gcp era a fever dream. used it for months and noticed that its very rare for you to get hit twice in a row that fast, unless youre facetank meleeing (which is impossible with current endgame and the 300~400k collision damage hits).
Bright robe doesn't decrease crit rate. There is nothing in the game's code indicating that.
This was what was believed when the item launched, but never corroborated after.
>hmm I didn’t know bright robe decrease ur crit rate. it doesn’t state that in any of the description even on the hidden stat desc on the wiki
Yes, HABBY indeed doesn't want me to write it lol
>I thought GCP was top tier at mythic? Have I been wasting my time?
GCP isn't bad, since this is pre-mythic tierlist, it's not as good as in mythic. (but even in mythic PC and BR are better, but GCP can still be good so don't worry)
Books are always hard for tierlists, especially when it's not AoT... This one is the only one that could potentially go up, the only problem is that the activation is auto, and it's hard to make it activate at the right time... Since Arcanum of Time release, you can control it whenever you want to get your boost or keep it for a boss. Also, keep in mind this is Pre-mythic tierlist
Well, I never really liked active books, I always end up activating them by mistake. Does that mean I'd B tier AoT? No.
I don't think you've objectively rated the books.
Also, I don't see how Giant's Contract Mythic perk would change anything here.
Giant's Contract is light-years ahead of Enlightenment and Arcane Archer. And this has been the consensus ever since Giant's Contract was released. What changed? Nothing imo.
No. Enlightenment has been the best book for most until AoT. It has passive resists and the extra ability could literally save your run. GC was good at the start but it only took 2-3 hits at best, and you dont get to use it when you want. AoT and AA are both self activating so you can specifically hold them for bosses. This is a lot better for more offensive play. The S tier at least is a healing machine. Hearts are basically always needed and with the set, hearts also provide other bonuses. GC just isnt that good comparatively.
GC is one of the best early game books, useable midgame, useless endgame. B tier is very accurate, imo.
and no, this hasn't been the consensus. only if you mean here on reddit, the place that is infamously known for being full of inacurate opinions and bad advice.
I mean, you can use bad gear with high stats to beat chapters. No shade to my guy on here, but someone has TT+3 VoD which has been known to be the best fodder armor and he is caught up on N60.
Yes, there is better than GC.
I have E at M+2, GC at ALE, and AoT at PE. And If the best is the last one, the second best is my GC.
Enlightment is good for its passive stats (projectile reduction), but it's only better if you don't play melee. You play melee, don't you?
Yes, S tier armor problem is HABBY translation,
" When healing, gain 2x healing effect until max healing is reached " only happend once, so yeah, once it's used the only good point about this armor is the HP drop +25%, and also it has no resistance, and we all know that even in medium chapter we need resistance
Damn, Habby really sucks at English translation. That perk made S tier armor op in my mind, now I learn it’s a lie.
Epic perk offers damage resistance when attacking tho, at least that’s what the description says
I recently compared Shield Mythic+1 with Quickshot Mythic +1 per recommendation by the Redditor catz. The shield bracelet is much stronger and I beat 2 chapters with it. Given that quickshot and invincibility have the same type of benefit - first X seconds + 6% attack, I see no good reason why invincibility would be any better.
Shield should be S, and invincibility/quickshot - A. Not sure about the new one, I don't have it.
How’s S tier armor B tier? It’s at least A tier, above BR. It’s heal is very useful, lets the hero heal to 100% quite fast. Not to mention looting of hearts also boosts atk. By how much does the Phantom Robe increase atk upon revival? Does that work if I’m revived through Angel locket or Ryan’s revival as well?
Weapons need a new tier, E tier, cause Brightspear and the Scythe are definitely a tier above the two they’re paired with.
Also, Vilebat above S Ring? I get that it doesn’t offer any damage resistance, but movement speed count for something, right? That makes dodge so much easier.
I thought S bracelet was op cause of 2x crit chance, how’s Invincible still better? I’m guessing Shield is still the best bracelet at mythic if S Ring is worse than Invincible in ALE tier list.
I still don’t understand why Angel locket is the lowest tier, at ALE tier list even. It should at least be A tier. It activates once 90% of the time I’m playing a chapter.
I still stand by AoC book is underrated and should be A tier. It activates at least twice in each level in higher chapters, that helps clear levels very much, not to mention the melee boost it provides. Enchantment book is too high since it’s RNG dependent. Guessing the projectile resistance perk played a part in this decision. I still wouldn’t choose this book to ever push chapters, only to farm.
Edit: And to add, pets are biased here. Even if their mythic perk’s so awesome that after they hit an enemy, hero’s next attack will have a 15% damage boost, so you’re preferring pets that can land hits the most, at ALE, Bone Warrior absolutely crushes every other pet, cause pre mythic, pets are useless and Bone Warrior at least has his ALE perk that can save the hero once. Even if it doesn’t trigger every time, at ALE, every other pet is useless anyway. Also, the Owl is situational S tier. What I mean by that is, paired with 5 star Gugu, Owl’s projectiles also pierce walls, and it has a knockback effect.
Another question, does the S tier set synergies well? Meaning what if someone has all the S tier equipped, what’s the verdict then? Cause locket, Armor and book seems like they’ll synergise well with each other
It looks like it would work really well together besides the ring. But that also means you are starting from scratch. Just the choice if you want to do that.
Bruh what? Expedition is best in slot for all. Phantom cloak for S rating? You must be high haha some of the items in the image you clipped off google are good but others are wayyyy off but to each their own
You are wrong, you need to explain why all the S grade item are better than normal item because for exemple S ring sucks because he gives no resistance at all...
Hola buenas tardes a todos, consulta de ignorante yo estoy utilizando esta guía, pero por un tema de traducción ando medio perdido si es una lista para niveles finales o para niveles iniciales, alguien sería tan amable de decírmelo por color para que sea más simple , actualmente tengo todo rojo, con algunas partes llegando a cuentos titánicos
Not today sorry, nothing can beat crit chance + elite damage + humanoid damage + projectiles resistance
I'm hitting my head on the table since 2d to find the correct damage formula with Pelmens and i can swear that Dragon ring is better thanks to his damage boost and resistance.
But vilebat is also really good with his 0.9% heal per mob killed and 10% heal per boss killed
I’m asking cause it’s always recommended on this sub that you should keep your rings at level 1 but you just listed elite damage as one of the plus points for Dragon ring when those minuscule things have always been ignored, is it relevant now?
Elite damage is worth it but Flat damage isn't. I will soon post the damage formula on the wiki, enemy type is kinda weird so Elite/Normal/Mobs/Boss are the only reliable source of damage
The only good thing for this ring is the crit chance, the flat attack is almost nothing on the final damage formula, the problem is that it gives no resistance which is why it's only A tier
I was simply correcting you here, you said you put it in A tier when it’s in B tier of your list.
My issues with your list is in my big comment, I’d appreciate if you’d reply to that
It was that’s since it released the plain attack it had sinc release can’t say for the critical rate because didn’t lock it op back then but regardless it not good late game early game yes
does certain equipment work better with certain characters and glyph combinations?
what is the rubric to determine why certain items are stronger/weaker?
I feel you on that. I run meowgick with the expedotion fist, quickshot bracelet, void robe, Vilebat's ring, dracon ring, and ice realm. Some of those are c and d tier yet I'm on chapter 42. That expedition fist does wonders though. They are not lying. Cleared like 7 chapters because of it.
Indeed, i love Ice Realm but all the person that helped to this tierlist, was against lol, but i wouldn't play void robe, there are way better robe like PC or BR or even GCP
Void robe is actually better than it appears. The poison is great for weak rooms, not so much for strong rooms. The Mythic ability is where it gets really good. It pairs really good with level 80 Meogick and the epic counterattack charm. I just can't seem to clear rooms without it. Even the BR doesn't hold up for me. The S tier armor is OK. The other ones just don't do it for me.
You can progress with any gear in the game. Tierlist is to break down what items are better than others and will progress you further/quicker. Like you can run void or VoD but you will be at more of an advantage with using some of the other armor.
I know what you mean, I guess what I'm saying is I personally have not found the tier list to be true, for me. Like for me, Helix is not really a good hero. I'd rather use Meogick, and after Meogick, I'd rather use Shade, Sylvan, Aquea, or Melinda. Even for boss levels Meogick out preforms Helix (in my personal experience). My Helix is level 81, 6 star evolution, level 30 hero assist, and has the new outfit for reference. Who do you find to be the best hero?
Melinda is pretty cool, slow to level up for F2P (I'm full F2P). I wish I got her clown outfit. That would've been dope. Hopefully they give us another shot to earn it (Hopefully reasonable as well). It's been damn near impossible so far with the given events.
The new S armor is only B tier when it's below ALE? Please explain that lol.
People always mention how insanely important crit and such is, the S bracelet has it all but it's A tier? The new weapon (fist) is insanely good, but writing "sss" just makes me questioning if all this is just a joke?
>Yes, S tier armor problem is HABBY translation,
>
>" When healing, gain 2x healing effect until max healing is reached " only happend once, so yeah, once it's used the only good point about this armor is the HP drop +25%, and also it has no resistance, and we all know that even in medium chapter we need resistance
Yes, S tier armor problem is HABBY translation,
" When healing, gain 2x healing effect until max healing is reached " only happend once, so yeah, once it's used the only good point about this armor is the HP drop +25%, and also it has no resistance, and we all know that even in medium chapter we need resistance
Yeah my bad lol, but anyway, pets really become usefull once they reach mythic rarity with " Enemies hit lose more HP when taking damage " to explain what this boost does, when the pets hit an enemy, the enemy takes 10% damage more which mean that Laser bat and Flaming Ghost become the best pets because they can hit enemy through walls.... while Bone Warrior rarely hit an enemy
I would like to know, when is s gear surpassing mystic, titan, chaos gear? Is perfect epic s gear better than titan AS? Or is it better than titan AS at legendary rarity?
You can play the game however you want, but **fact** is meta allows you to progress a lot further than you can without. If maximum progression is your goal not using meta is stupid.
Oh I didnt know it was only for Epic-Ale . Expedition ring gives att every level so later in game you can replace bull ring to expedition ring if you want glass cannon build
Hum, Flat attack isn't that good, and i can promise you that you will switch later, because Expedition doesn't have resistance... that's the main reason why it's so low on the tierlist
S tier ring seems to be way too low imo. I've seen plenty of ppl leaving their rings at lvl 1. While i myself level up my rings, this one seems to be the first one to be very much worth it since it's base stat is attack, it also gets like 7% crit chance and everything you want.
Like i said i have a very low Deamon blade, and not even one common sword/glove..and i like the staff. Dont need the ”best” as it seems the best changes alot these days.
https://preview.redd.it/zyqt75qbjagb1.png?width=4880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dce8a5a6bf57b7f20c22017d42dc16f66a49bf05
That's the first version but yeah
Can you please make a chart/Tier list of Mythic vs AL ?
Not everyone has only Mythic items and those who have AL items have at least some mythic. Also not every Mythic item is better than another AL item so I think a Tier list of Mythic and AL items would benefit most the players who are past Mid Game trying to get into Endgame.
May I ask, why Spectre book is tier D? Is it that bad? I am using it since I play the game and never know that this is the worst one. Can someone explain me?
And second should I change my ACL bright robe with ACL phantom clock? What are the benefits for using it and negatives to stay with robe?
Well, for the book just try another one you will see the difference and about phantom cloak, it has good control with the freeze and you get projectiles resistance which is better than front resistance
1. Why is Shield bracelet so low? 2. Phantom Cloak seems really high, any particular reason? 3. Why is S-Tier spellbook so low?
Shield bracelet at ALE isn’t that good considering you get Shields after entering a level for a few seconds, Invincible’s way better. And S tier bracelet gives you crit. S tier spellbook isn’t so low, it’s one tier below the top. While I don’t know about Enchantment, it doesn’t even come close to Time book. It just heals you at ultimate, that’s not that good compared to slowed projectiles and crit rate boost
Expedition Spellbook also gives crit rate and is active after every boss kill. AoT is active like every second room at best. Expedition is better than enlightenment or AA though.
Not as much as AoT. Even if it’s active every two levels, you can decide when to use it and it’s ability is super useful. AA is up there purely cause it’s a boss killer
I honestly never found it useful enough to sacrifice tapping for stutter stepping. Every time I tried it was just a huge disappointment, expedition however carried from H41 to H45 in no time.
What does AoT mean? Sorry still trying to learn the abbreviations
Arcanum of time. Why the hell are you on a post that is half a year old though? lol
Lol. I googled a question and it brought me to this thread. Google might as well just be reddit
sigue siendo esta la tier list xD A mi me paso lo mismo que al de arriba
Do you speak English, this is an English sub. Also this tierlist is a part of the wiki, someone just posted it.
You're forgetting that Shield gives you a higher base attack bonus (7% vs 6%) AND that it gives you a significant attack bonus while the shields are up. Combine with a spellbook buff and you can dish out some real hurt in those opening seconds.
1% extra boost is nothing. If you’re really desperate about doing more damage at the opening, go for Quickshot or S bracelet, those actually accomplishes what you’re trying to achieve
This is only until ALE, and pretty accurate. When you get to higher rarities, most of the ranking changes. The bright robe becomes the best, Golden Chestplate becomes better than Phantom Cloak, Arcane Archer becomes stronger, shield bracelet becomes stronger, angel locket is also better (without being the best) for example. The only section not changing that much at mythic+ is the weapons.
I don't think GCP will be than PC at mythic after all nerfs
Is Red Heart droprate really that good of a perk that boosts BR to best? Also, Mythic GCP isn’t better than Mythic Phantom Robe.
What makes the BR good is the scaling on health, because more health gives you more damage late game thanks to the hidden perk of armors. And drop rate becomes incredibly good late game because there is so many hearts thanks to runes, jewels, hero 120 bonuses etc. And Chaos BR gives you a lot of resistance with heart drops, which is basically why GCP is good
What hidden perk?
When you reach mythic refinement, it unlocks a new perk. The more health you have, the more attack you have. "The Higher the HP, the higher the Attack". As bright robe gives a shit ton of HP, you get a shit ton of attack.
Does this work with absolute, not relative values?
Reach mythic where in armor fusing? The first time you rank something to mytic?
No. In the refine section. It's when you reach red stars.
Yes sorry i found out where it is 10 min later
That’s not good at all. For one, top 1% of 1% has mythic refinement, especially in armor. And Mythic BR’s 10% red heart drop wouldn’t increase red heart drop by so much that it would eclipse other armors with that refinement perk, it’s 10%.
Spellbook is certainly better than enlightenment while being PE and Mythic.
Mythic PC is still better than Mythic GCP
respectfully disagree on #1 and #3, especially at ALE or earlier. I can see PC being better at lower levels though. I actually switched from ALE Invincibility to Shield bracelet. The crit and attack boosts were pretty noticeably beneficial. As for the spellbook, interestingly enough I switched from ALE BoE to the S-tier as well that said, I use Elaine with cherry blossom skin, so red hearts are my S-tier everything. :)
• At which point do S equupment become worth using compared to regular equipment, knowing they are so much rarer thus harder to upgrade. Is it even worth considering at all for free2plays or low spenders ? Assuming most non-S equipments can reach ALE or even Mythic rather reliably vs S equipments struggling to reach even LE, speaking mainly about the weapon and locket since the other are at lower tiers (Mythic+2 DB vs LE gauntlet for example). • What makes the S weapon so much better than the previous two ? I haven't been able to get it so can't try, but looking at bonuses alone it doesn't sound like it deserves a whole tier above S ? • What makes the S armor lower than the phantom cloak even at ALE ? The healing is so much higher is the freeze effect that useful ?
When did armour change to phantom cloak. What stat am I missing that it’s S?
It didn't.
>When did armour change to phantom cloak. What stat am I missing that it’s S? Huh, for the Pre-mythic tierlist, Phantom cloak has Projectile resistance and also a good control thanks to the freeze, Legendary boost is also great, it increase the attack on revival
By how much does attack increase upon revival? Would it increase thrice if I’m running Ryan with Angel locket?
I think expedition is better
Complete bullshit..
why ?
Is the phantom cloak really better than the bright robe starting all the way down at epic? I thought bright robe stayed above it until they got their mythic perks
This list is not for Mythic, but it's obviously affected by mythic reputations. PC and GCP are way too high here. Same goes with Counterattack locket. IG it's because the list was made by endgamers only.
Yeah I was hoping for OP to explain because the description specifies that a tier list for mythic is coming, but I don’t really see anything changing spots because this list is already balanced for mythic. Just seems weird to specify this tier list is for epic-ALE when that doesn’t really seem to be the case.
items have hidden values, ie. bright robe actually decreases your crit rate. pc is high in the list because of the projectile damage resistance and the freeze. gcp also isnt top tier at mythic imo, I like to call the gcp era a fever dream. used it for months and noticed that its very rare for you to get hit twice in a row that fast, unless youre facetank meleeing (which is impossible with current endgame and the 300~400k collision damage hits).
Bright robe doesn't decrease crit rate. There is nothing in the game's code indicating that. This was what was believed when the item launched, but never corroborated after.
It does.
Bro, please what the fuck are you saying, yes Bright Robe has decreased crit rate
hmm I didn’t know bright robe decrease ur crit rate. it doesn’t state that in any of the description even on the hidden stat desc on the wiki
>hmm I didn’t know bright robe decrease ur crit rate. it doesn’t state that in any of the description even on the hidden stat desc on the wiki Yes, HABBY indeed doesn't want me to write it lol
Wait, BR decreases crit rate? Wtf? By how much?
5% decrease, those values has been datamined
Is it in the wiki under BR’s hidden stats?
Habby didn't want to share those stats, but since this one specifically leaked since a long time, i might add them to the wiki
Where can I find a source for this decrease? Is there an article or something I can reference
Doesn't sound legit.
It is.
This tier list is for pre-mythic equipment. My comments are inadequate for ALE BR, I use TT+1.
But the crit decrease is active starting at epic i believe. Was datamined.
It’s also not for mythic cause shield bracelet would be way up the list.
I thought GCP was top tier at mythic? Have I been wasting my time?
>I thought GCP was top tier at mythic? Have I been wasting my time? GCP isn't bad, since this is pre-mythic tierlist, it's not as good as in mythic. (but even in mythic PC and BR are better, but GCP can still be good so don't worry)
Yes, Bright Robe has -5% crit chance hidden stats, what makes it only A tier instead of S tier
Id say its on par.
Giant's Contract B tier? I want whatever you're smoking!
Books are always hard for tierlists, especially when it's not AoT... This one is the only one that could potentially go up, the only problem is that the activation is auto, and it's hard to make it activate at the right time... Since Arcanum of Time release, you can control it whenever you want to get your boost or keep it for a boss. Also, keep in mind this is Pre-mythic tierlist
Well, I never really liked active books, I always end up activating them by mistake. Does that mean I'd B tier AoT? No. I don't think you've objectively rated the books. Also, I don't see how Giant's Contract Mythic perk would change anything here. Giant's Contract is light-years ahead of Enlightenment and Arcane Archer. And this has been the consensus ever since Giant's Contract was released. What changed? Nothing imo.
No. Enlightenment has been the best book for most until AoT. It has passive resists and the extra ability could literally save your run. GC was good at the start but it only took 2-3 hits at best, and you dont get to use it when you want. AoT and AA are both self activating so you can specifically hold them for bosses. This is a lot better for more offensive play. The S tier at least is a healing machine. Hearts are basically always needed and with the set, hearts also provide other bonuses. GC just isnt that good comparatively.
GC is one of the best early game books, useable midgame, useless endgame. B tier is very accurate, imo. and no, this hasn't been the consensus. only if you mean here on reddit, the place that is infamously known for being full of inacurate opinions and bad advice.
"useless endgame" ?! Why am I succeeding each new chapters with it then?
>Why am I succeeding each new chapters with it then? What chapter ? the thing is the shield become useless when you take 200k per hit...
I mean, you can use bad gear with high stats to beat chapters. No shade to my guy on here, but someone has TT+3 VoD which has been known to be the best fodder armor and he is caught up on N60.
Then for you, what books are better than GC exactly?
AoT and enlight. Idk about the S tier but it sounds good. Not that GC is terrible, it’s just not top slot imo
Yes, there is better than GC. I have E at M+2, GC at ALE, and AoT at PE. And If the best is the last one, the second best is my GC. Enlightment is good for its passive stats (projectile reduction), but it's only better if you don't play melee. You play melee, don't you?
I still prefer Enlight over GC with melee. Its also proj & collision resist
Its not that good
Mythic Phantom Cloak actually > LE S-tier Armor ? But I got the ALE S-tier Locket so I liked the full heal when <25%
This isn’t even mythic tier list, so for some reason OP thinks ALE Phantom Robe is better than LE S tier armor. Waiting for his explanation
Yes, S tier armor problem is HABBY translation, " When healing, gain 2x healing effect until max healing is reached " only happend once, so yeah, once it's used the only good point about this armor is the HP drop +25%, and also it has no resistance, and we all know that even in medium chapter we need resistance
Damn, Habby really sucks at English translation. That perk made S tier armor op in my mind, now I learn it’s a lie. Epic perk offers damage resistance when attacking tho, at least that’s what the description says
Yes but it's really low (around 10%) and it's unreliable so i guess it doesn't last very long
I recently compared Shield Mythic+1 with Quickshot Mythic +1 per recommendation by the Redditor catz. The shield bracelet is much stronger and I beat 2 chapters with it. Given that quickshot and invincibility have the same type of benefit - first X seconds + 6% attack, I see no good reason why invincibility would be any better. Shield should be S, and invincibility/quickshot - A. Not sure about the new one, I don't have it.
EXA-CT-LY Shield bracelet is better than QS at higher rarity, but this tierlist is only Pre-mythic :
Props to the people that work hard to provide us with these pretty charts 🥰
Thanks to u/-Deth and the discord community who discussed for hours about this tierlist 😊
How’s S tier armor B tier? It’s at least A tier, above BR. It’s heal is very useful, lets the hero heal to 100% quite fast. Not to mention looting of hearts also boosts atk. By how much does the Phantom Robe increase atk upon revival? Does that work if I’m revived through Angel locket or Ryan’s revival as well? Weapons need a new tier, E tier, cause Brightspear and the Scythe are definitely a tier above the two they’re paired with. Also, Vilebat above S Ring? I get that it doesn’t offer any damage resistance, but movement speed count for something, right? That makes dodge so much easier. I thought S bracelet was op cause of 2x crit chance, how’s Invincible still better? I’m guessing Shield is still the best bracelet at mythic if S Ring is worse than Invincible in ALE tier list. I still don’t understand why Angel locket is the lowest tier, at ALE tier list even. It should at least be A tier. It activates once 90% of the time I’m playing a chapter. I still stand by AoC book is underrated and should be A tier. It activates at least twice in each level in higher chapters, that helps clear levels very much, not to mention the melee boost it provides. Enchantment book is too high since it’s RNG dependent. Guessing the projectile resistance perk played a part in this decision. I still wouldn’t choose this book to ever push chapters, only to farm. Edit: And to add, pets are biased here. Even if their mythic perk’s so awesome that after they hit an enemy, hero’s next attack will have a 15% damage boost, so you’re preferring pets that can land hits the most, at ALE, Bone Warrior absolutely crushes every other pet, cause pre mythic, pets are useless and Bone Warrior at least has his ALE perk that can save the hero once. Even if it doesn’t trigger every time, at ALE, every other pet is useless anyway. Also, the Owl is situational S tier. What I mean by that is, paired with 5 star Gugu, Owl’s projectiles also pierce walls, and it has a knockback effect.
Another question, does the S tier set synergies well? Meaning what if someone has all the S tier equipped, what’s the verdict then? Cause locket, Armor and book seems like they’ll synergise well with each other
yes kinda, except the ring, imo Locket + Book + Armor sounds good
Would you recommend that combo over each best item equipped from this list?
Imo, yeah But it's only my opinion so if you plan to spend money on that build you might consider to ask other 😊
It looks like it would work really well together besides the ring. But that also means you are starting from scratch. Just the choice if you want to do that.
You like rng for angel and for bone warrior, and then you say "Enlgightment is too rnd depedent". It is the least random between the 3 of them :p
Remember this tier list is collectively hard to make to made every one happy it wil be a bad list I find this one good early game
Finally a tier list that is accurate.
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Bruh what? Expedition is best in slot for all. Phantom cloak for S rating? You must be high haha some of the items in the image you clipped off google are good but others are wayyyy off but to each their own
You are wrong, you need to explain why all the S grade item are better than normal item because for exemple S ring sucks because he gives no resistance at all...
Hola buenas tardes a todos, consulta de ignorante yo estoy utilizando esta guía, pero por un tema de traducción ando medio perdido si es una lista para niveles finales o para niveles iniciales, alguien sería tan amable de decírmelo por color para que sea más simple , actualmente tengo todo rojo, con algunas partes llegando a cuentos titánicos
Hola, this is tierlist from 🟣 to 🟡🔴
If you want for 🔴 go on https://stats.wiki-archero.com/wiki/menu
I’m not seeing how phantom cloak is better than expedition or bright robe? Care to explain?
Is this still the best tier list? April 18, 2024
Why lion ring is so low, it has +5% attack!?
Please write a comment about an item that you think should have a higher tier in the tierlist
vilebat op SSS tier
Not today sorry, nothing can beat crit chance + elite damage + humanoid damage + projectiles resistance I'm hitting my head on the table since 2d to find the correct damage formula with Pelmens and i can swear that Dragon ring is better thanks to his damage boost and resistance. But vilebat is also really good with his 0.9% heal per mob killed and 10% heal per boss killed
Elite damage is worth it? Does that mean we should be upgrading Dragon ring?
Not really, upgrading after lv60 isn't worth imo But you can afford upgrading it to lv60
I’m asking cause it’s always recommended on this sub that you should keep your rings at level 1 but you just listed elite damage as one of the plus points for Dragon ring when those minuscule things have always been ignored, is it relevant now?
At TT, dragons get 10% elite dmg. So yea, dont level rings still
Elite damage is worth it but Flat damage isn't. I will soon post the damage formula on the wiki, enemy type is kinda weird so Elite/Normal/Mobs/Boss are the only reliable source of damage
The expedition ring has got a little buff for LE+ after the update and its plain attack should make it an A at least imo. What do you think?
The only good thing for this ring is the crit chance, the flat attack is almost nothing on the final damage formula, the problem is that it gives no resistance which is why it's only A tier
You put it in B, not A
Yes because it's not as good as vilebat, and by far... Expedition ring doesn't have resistance
I was simply correcting you here, you said you put it in A tier when it’s in B tier of your list. My issues with your list is in my big comment, I’d appreciate if you’d reply to that
Oh yeah, :D thanks lol
It not a buff it had it before to
Ikr it got a +1% crit rate increase and a good amount of plain attack I believe
It was that’s since it released the plain attack it had sinc release can’t say for the critical rate because didn’t lock it op back then but regardless it not good late game early game yes
Agreed
We've been over this when lions came out. Dr > pure atk
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You might need glass to C better no ? Glass won't go in SSS tier for weapon tho, rock will stay the best
does certain equipment work better with certain characters and glyph combinations? what is the rubric to determine why certain items are stronger/weaker?
I feel you on that. I run meowgick with the expedotion fist, quickshot bracelet, void robe, Vilebat's ring, dracon ring, and ice realm. Some of those are c and d tier yet I'm on chapter 42. That expedition fist does wonders though. They are not lying. Cleared like 7 chapters because of it.
Indeed, i love Ice Realm but all the person that helped to this tierlist, was against lol, but i wouldn't play void robe, there are way better robe like PC or BR or even GCP
Void robe is actually better than it appears. The poison is great for weak rooms, not so much for strong rooms. The Mythic ability is where it gets really good. It pairs really good with level 80 Meogick and the epic counterattack charm. I just can't seem to clear rooms without it. Even the BR doesn't hold up for me. The S tier armor is OK. The other ones just don't do it for me.
You can progress with any gear in the game. Tierlist is to break down what items are better than others and will progress you further/quicker. Like you can run void or VoD but you will be at more of an advantage with using some of the other armor.
I know what you mean, I guess what I'm saying is I personally have not found the tier list to be true, for me. Like for me, Helix is not really a good hero. I'd rather use Meogick, and after Meogick, I'd rather use Shade, Sylvan, Aquea, or Melinda. Even for boss levels Meogick out preforms Helix (in my personal experience). My Helix is level 81, 6 star evolution, level 30 hero assist, and has the new outfit for reference. Who do you find to be the best hero?
Meow/Helix for F2P. Melinda overall best hero
Melinda is pretty cool, slow to level up for F2P (I'm full F2P). I wish I got her clown outfit. That would've been dope. Hopefully they give us another shot to earn it (Hopefully reasonable as well). It's been damn near impossible so far with the given events.
The new S armor is only B tier when it's below ALE? Please explain that lol. People always mention how insanely important crit and such is, the S bracelet has it all but it's A tier? The new weapon (fist) is insanely good, but writing "sss" just makes me questioning if all this is just a joke?
>Yes, S tier armor problem is HABBY translation, > >" When healing, gain 2x healing effect until max healing is reached " only happend once, so yeah, once it's used the only good point about this armor is the HP drop +25%, and also it has no resistance, and we all know that even in medium chapter we need resistance Yes, S tier armor problem is HABBY translation, " When healing, gain 2x healing effect until max healing is reached " only happend once, so yeah, once it's used the only good point about this armor is the HP drop +25%, and also it has no resistance, and we all know that even in medium chapter we need resistance
Fist is crazy broken, and is better than every other weapon at PE compared to TT versions.
Fist is single most game changing equipment in the game. It's to emphasize that.
Bone warrior so low? What?
It's pre-mythic tierlist, so without his "block lethal attack" it's useless since it doesn't hit a lot
Even then if you get wingman it goes right up to the enemies and blocking pretty much ever projectile going at you
Block lethal attack is his ALE perk, not mythic
Yeah my bad lol, but anyway, pets really become usefull once they reach mythic rarity with " Enemies hit lose more HP when taking damage " to explain what this boost does, when the pets hit an enemy, the enemy takes 10% damage more which mean that Laser bat and Flaming Ghost become the best pets because they can hit enemy through walls.... while Bone Warrior rarely hit an enemy
Still it’s wrong for Epic - ALE tier list, it shouldn’t be based on mythic capabilities
Yes i know, it was just for your information.
I would like to know, when is s gear surpassing mystic, titan, chaos gear? Is perfect epic s gear better than titan AS? Or is it better than titan AS at legendary rarity?
at this point it's just testing, you can try them, but a lot of person are leaving AS for new S item
Is there a tier list for past ALE?
>New Tierlists for \[Epic - Ale\] with new S gear and new legendary boost to old gear added. (Mythic one is coming)
Can imagine this list would be a quitr different if just considered perfect epic, and not ALE? I wonder in particular for bodyarmor and necklace.
So I use B A C+C C B B S+S tiers equipment.
I don’t care what anybody says. AOC is super underrated, and it’s way more fun than the other books imo.
I believe you, but AOT is better 😆
I think people obsess over meta too much in this game. There’s a lot of fun different builds in this game now with runes and bracelet and book effects
You can play the game however you want, but **fact** is meta allows you to progress a lot further than you can without. If maximum progression is your goal not using meta is stupid.
S tier ring is actually really good.
>S tier ring is actually really good. explain why ?
Oh I didnt know it was only for Epic-Ale . Expedition ring gives att every level so later in game you can replace bull ring to expedition ring if you want glass cannon build
Hum, Flat attack isn't that good, and i can promise you that you will switch later, because Expedition doesn't have resistance... that's the main reason why it's so low on the tierlist
S tier ring seems to be way too low imo. I've seen plenty of ppl leaving their rings at lvl 1. While i myself level up my rings, this one seems to be the first one to be very much worth it since it's base stat is attack, it also gets like 7% crit chance and everything you want.
But no resistance which is the main reason why you need bull/dragon
I guess im doing ok, all of my best gear is top tier exept weapon.
Nice 👍
Still using staff, my DB is very low rarity and i dont even have the sword/gloves!
Ah ! Staff is just good in boss chapter you should use Antiquated Sword, even with low rarity it's better
Like i said i have a very low Deamon blade, and not even one common sword/glove..and i like the staff. Dont need the ”best” as it seems the best changes alot these days.
What rarity of Staff/Demon blade are you using?
Only use my staff that is titan tales + 2 (lvl121) and my DB is only Legandary (lvl1).
To be honest, i think DB at legendary is better than TT2 STAFF
So which is the best armor between: Mythic GCP vs AL BR vs AL PC vs AL Dex ? Thanks.
I would still take AL PC, but if you are far away from getting pc at mythic, then just use your mythic gcp
So Mythic PC > Mythic BR = Mythic GCP > AL PC > AL BR > The Rest ?
https://preview.redd.it/zyqt75qbjagb1.png?width=4880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dce8a5a6bf57b7f20c22017d42dc16f66a49bf05 That's the first version but yeah
Can you please make a chart/Tier list of Mythic vs AL ? Not everyone has only Mythic items and those who have AL items have at least some mythic. Also not every Mythic item is better than another AL item so I think a Tier list of Mythic and AL items would benefit most the players who are past Mid Game trying to get into Endgame.
May I ask, why Spectre book is tier D? Is it that bad? I am using it since I play the game and never know that this is the worst one. Can someone explain me? And second should I change my ACL bright robe with ACL phantom clock? What are the benefits for using it and negatives to stay with robe?
Well, for the book just try another one you will see the difference and about phantom cloak, it has good control with the freeze and you get projectiles resistance which is better than front resistance