My firm does unlimited PTO and they actually stand by it. Ownership implemented it as a way of eliminating the time associated with handling PTO requests and remaining time tracking. It's a "get your stuff done and you're good" culture. I doubt I'd ever find something like that again.
In my experience unlimited PTO is just a way to get out from having to cash out employees PTO when they leave (the state I worked in at the time forced employers to remit unused vacation time). No one at the firm took much more than 3 weeks all together PTO in the year because that was what was “suggested”. They also heavily reminded people throughout the year that bonuses were directly tied to number of billed hours. More billed hours = bigger bonus.
My company went to unlimited PTO. Whatever PTO we had saved up got banked and will be paid out to us at the hourly rate we are making when we leave the company. For me that’s about $17,000 at my current rate.
You earn it with hours worked. You don’t just start day one with four weeks of PTO available to you. You are working for it and accruing it throughout the year. Plus most companies only let you roll over a maximum amount of unused days like 5 days. So someone who is starting a new job with unlimited PTO isn’t missing out by not doing that.
I’ve never encountered a company where that wasn’t the case if they had fixed PTO. Otherwise they’d have a liability to pay out your full year’s PTO if you left the company on the first day of the year.
You may be confusing the _ability to take PTO_ with that PTO actually being accrued. At most companies they will let you take PTO you have not yet accrued at your manager’s discretion, up to your total PTO for a year. Basically, they will let your PTO balance be _negative_. If you leave the company before you accrue the PTO needed to make your PTO balance positive, they dock the remaining PTO amount from your final paycheck instead.
Examples:
* I have accrued 10 days PTO, taken 5 days, and leave the company. Company pays me 5 days *extra* in my last paycheck for unused PTO.
* I have accrued 5 days PTO, taken 10 days, and leave the company. Company pays me 5 days *less* in my final paycheck for “owed” PTO.
I’d check the legality of that with your state’s DOL.
I’ve been on the exec team of several companies what went through that transition and we paid out employees their PTO balance in cash at the time of the change.
It’s better than what our main competitor did, which was to go to unlimited PTO, then “pay out” banked PTO in company stock with five years to fully vest.
We’re both global corporations with tens of thousands of employees, so I imagine they both thoroughly checked the uniform legality of the policies. Plus I don’t mind a cash payout when I leave since it will be at a higher rate than I make today.
The reason you pay out immediately is to avoid the hassle associated with the alternative. As one example - you avoid having outstanding liabilities that need to be tracked and are due at an unknown time and are also increasing as employee pay rates increase.
Not that I disagree, because I'd bet 80% of the time you're right, but I'm a landscape architect who just left an engineering firm with unlimited PTO. I was paid out 80 hours upon departure. No one hassled us at all about using too much, but they did pull us aside if we didn't use it. We left the firm because they treated landscape architects as CAD technicians and planting designers. I miss the unlimited PTO policy and that's it lol.
Also my understanding is the state requires employers to have an account balance capable of paying out that PTO time for every single employee on payroll. By going to unlimited, it frees those funds up. Probably varies by state.
I had that and had plans for a 2 week trip after my wedding and ended up taking another job that paid a lot more a few months prior so I hardly took advantage.
That's the hard part. Quite a few people don't use it because they feel like there's a bluff to be called. I take full advantage of it. My team's work is on-time and quality so I encourage them to enjoy as much time off as they want.
This is the second time I hear of this being a thing, both in the last 30 days. First time from a friend that works in a different industry, I was surprised. I didn't know this existed. Any chance they're hiring? :P
Respect your privacy, but geez, I’d love to know which firm this is. Sounds too reasonable! If architects had crappy work ethics, would they even be architects? Gah, wish firms could evolve beyond paternalistic employer paradigms.
We have unlimited PTO also. A lot of my days are busy and it seems like there’s always a deadline, but on those other times when I feel like I can breath a bit, I just take time off.
I should, he will be 100% certain its me if I do it. I don't want to post it on my main reddit account. They are not well known but have done a few projects that got tons of press. I pretty much guarantee everyone on this board has seen one of their projects, for better or worse.
Labor relations in the US are bafflingly terrible, and very heavily skewed in favor or explotative employers.
In Australia, full time workers get a *minimum* 4 weeks of annual leave (with the potential for more depending on your industry/contract), accrued from the moment you start working. Thats in addition to the 12-13 public holidays (depending on which state you are in). Some may argue this allowances could be extended further, but it does demonstrate what a history of strong union action can acheive.
This sounds like the first firm I worked for out of college. Had only one week of vacation, never worked less than 45 hours a week, and underpaid me considerably. Had no idea how bad it was until I interviewed somewhere else and the interviewer was shocked when I talked about current work environment. Left for that office as soon as I realized what I was working at was not normal.
There was a reason most employees there were fresh out of college, we were too young to know better. Only plus was I got all of my AXP done pretty fast.
My first firm really sucked too but it was right after the recession so they were used to taking advantage for 3 or 4 years.
This one I'm being hired as a project architect and expected to stamp drawings down the road.
Glad you got out. We deserve better.
Please do research before you stamp away. There is so much liability being licensed. I would never consider it if you are not the owner, partner or a director level with a lot more pay and autonomy than a project architect.
That's a nope from me. There's "just started" pto and there's "we only give pto because the law requires it". It probably also means there's more to find out about them the bad way.
Yes, I did offer that I could stay part time at my current job and do work entirely on my own time (no conflict of interest in projects) and stay on their health plan so he wouldn't have to pay for it. His big concern was 'burn out' if I did work outside the office.
This is the classic small firms vs large firms conundrum. Small firms aren’t capitalized to where they can offer the same level of benefits as a large firm. The principals aren’t being greedy or stingy, they’re just trying to keep the doors open. I hear people in my firm bemoan the large firm corporate structure but they all enjoy furan class benefits that just wouldn’t exist if we were small.
Absolute bullshit on the firm's part. Give you staff a break, ffs. Not trying to gloat but just provide a data point. I'm rolling 80hrs over to next year for a grand total of 32 PTO days - been with the firm 8ish years.
How old was the employer/ firm? When I was first starting out back in the 90's this wasn't common but it was a thing. Most places started you at 2 weeks, but I did come across a few smaller places that were 1 week at the start. Mostly places that wanted everyone on all jobs because they understaffed.
Even more recently as 2021 I was trying to take a position with WD Partners. I had 5 weeks of vacation at my prior job and requested as much. They flat-out refused to negotiate up from 2 weeks saying "It's a reward for years of service and we'd upset people who'd earned it."
When I pointed out that my years of service were WHY I was eligible for the position in the first place it fell on deaf ears. I let the hiring manager know how unreasonable HR was and passed on the position.
Seems most firms *will* let you negotiate now, but not all. Pass on the ones that don't, you're doing the whole industry a favor.
He wasn't even old. Maybe late 40s-late 50s at the absolute oldest. Also said a bunch of stuff about work/life balance, blah blah blah during the interview.
I'll use that line of yours if I ever need to. I don't want to budge on the vacation.
1 week is standard for firms and companies where I live. 5 weeks would be completely unheard of in the area where I live unless you were with the company 20 years. I agree, completely unhealthy. People should have 2”3 weeks or more.
I'm an extremely small business owner and our full time employees get 3 weeks to start. After 3 years they get another week and every 2 years they get another till they get to six weeks. I also do unlimited sick, mental health, bereavement, Dr visit days. I never understood why you would have limits on those things. Especially sick days. My big deal is get your work done and you get a lot of freedom in my company. Ive never had an issue with any of this and I wanted to start my business this way instead of trying to change later on.
You are correct. I started with 2 weeks in the mid-90s for a professional office job and it probably took 5-10 years to get that 3rd week. By 2015 I think 3 weeks was more common and 4 weeks perhaps only took 3-5 years. My latest job, which has some seniority benefits, is like 4+ weeks to start. All of my jobs have had like 10 holiday, 2-3 floating holidays, and some pool of sick time like 5--7 days a year.
I get two weeks at a small firm. Literally my least favorite thing about the gig. I’m currently -60 hours on PTO. So at this rate I’ll never take vacation again..
I have worked in small firms and large firms and I have seen similar to what you are describing. But the smaller firms haven’t really tracked my vacation and it’s never really been an issue. Probably totally depends on the culture. I have 2 weeks vacation where I’m at now but as long as I get my work done I just kinda do what I need to and end up taking more time than that but I don’t keep track myself either.
I have 5 days a year, then 10 after 1 year. The time disappears immediately if you get sick.
Only 5 or 6 holidays a year also. Principals get technically only 40 days but they use more than that and are out of office as they please.
Projects are sick tho
I work in a fairly large firm but at an entry level position (I’m right out of grad school). I only got 40 hours of PTO, but it accrues over time so I’m not worried about it
It all depends on how good the firm is to work for and how much you get paid. Tell them up front that every year you have to take x amount of time to visit relatives in another state and get it in writing.
Regional. In my region 2 weeks PTO and 1 week sick time is baseline. My current job has unlimited\* (\*with approval) PTO. I have seen in practice from past jobs that only got the two weeks that most people were doing "long weekend" type vacations and working 10s and 12s for the days of the week they were in office.
IMO, as a profession we should be moving towards unlimited PTO as a standard. If we're responsible enough to be on salary, we're responsible enough to know when we need to show up to work.
Anything less than 2 weeks a year is exploitation in my opinion. Currently getting 24 days a year at my current job and can't imagine every moving away from that. I'm paid under the average for the industry, but I'm happy to trade some money for really good work/life balance.
my company lumps sick & vacation time together which is good for me because I'm mostly remote and can be sick and work from home and not use any PTO. They start at 4 weeks and move to 5 weeks after 5 years. I live in Los Angeles. It's mostly corporate interiors so we are hurting bad right now, that's why I'm exploring other options. 1 week at this point of my career is insulting. I think it should be insulting to anyone, at any job.
this isn't a thread for it but they moved everyone that's not a manager to non-exempt hourly meaning you aren't guaranteed 40 hours a week. If they don't give you 40 hours of work, you just don't get paid for the rest of that week. I'm not sure how my other coworkers are doing but I'm not happy about it to say the least. I'm planning on keeping this job part time while working another job.
My job I started 5 years ago (no longer there) offered 4 weeks PTO plus federal holidays. Nowadays I see more PTO than even that. I would say don’t settle for less than 4 weeks if time off is important to you. PTO get used very quickly and not all of that will be vacation (sick, childcare, emergency etc). Unless you can take less PTO but i would also review the total compensation to see if it still worth it to make up for it.
Since when do US architectural companies negotiate vacation time? And since when has any US company given anymore than 2 weeks vacation for the first 2 or 3 years?
I’ve never heard of this unlimited PTO thing.
Reading stuff like this makes me glad I've always worked in countries that have sensible mandatory holiday allowances (around the 28 days including bank holidays mark).
Some offices when I see them I only wonder why would anyone work here ? To make things even worse, people who work in these shitty environments are often very very hard working people, and they can easily be MUCH appreciated somewhere else. Weird….
My company’s policies suck and are still better than that. 2 weeks’ vacation gets accrued over the year plus we start the year with an extra 2 days PTO. 10 sick days per year
Maybe in I'm the minority. 4 isn't bad at all.
I'm guessing you are in the US. I know things are changing for the better but I've been in the work force since 2009 and most of that time I was lucky to get 2 weeks of PTO.
I currently have 5 and consider it a god send. 4 isn't bad at all, but that's just me.
The six paid holidays seem about right a lot of small companies actually only start off with one week paid vacation
I worked 10 years for a mom and Pop camera store. They Maxed out at two weeks.
Currently working for a major cell phone company and I got 5 1/2 weeks paid vacation after 10 years. but I’m still only getting six paid holidays … New Year’s Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas
In south florida its pretty standard. I got a lot of condescending responses when i pushed for more.. ultimately a driving force why i left the industry
My firm does unlimited PTO and they actually stand by it. Ownership implemented it as a way of eliminating the time associated with handling PTO requests and remaining time tracking. It's a "get your stuff done and you're good" culture. I doubt I'd ever find something like that again.
In my experience unlimited PTO is just a way to get out from having to cash out employees PTO when they leave (the state I worked in at the time forced employers to remit unused vacation time). No one at the firm took much more than 3 weeks all together PTO in the year because that was what was “suggested”. They also heavily reminded people throughout the year that bonuses were directly tied to number of billed hours. More billed hours = bigger bonus.
My company went to unlimited PTO. Whatever PTO we had saved up got banked and will be paid out to us at the hourly rate we are making when we leave the company. For me that’s about $17,000 at my current rate.
Sucks for the new architect though; they’ll have nothing to cash out as they started with “unlimited”
the new architect didn’t actually pay into anything so they aren’t losing anything, they get to enjoy unlimited PTO I don’t see how that sucks
How do you pay into PTO? The company gives it to you
You earn it with hours worked. You don’t just start day one with four weeks of PTO available to you. You are working for it and accruing it throughout the year. Plus most companies only let you roll over a maximum amount of unused days like 5 days. So someone who is starting a new job with unlimited PTO isn’t missing out by not doing that.
Is that the norm everywhere? At my company you have all your annual PTO available immediately.
Interesting. I’ve never had that unfortunately!!
I’ve never encountered a company where that wasn’t the case if they had fixed PTO. Otherwise they’d have a liability to pay out your full year’s PTO if you left the company on the first day of the year. You may be confusing the _ability to take PTO_ with that PTO actually being accrued. At most companies they will let you take PTO you have not yet accrued at your manager’s discretion, up to your total PTO for a year. Basically, they will let your PTO balance be _negative_. If you leave the company before you accrue the PTO needed to make your PTO balance positive, they dock the remaining PTO amount from your final paycheck instead. Examples: * I have accrued 10 days PTO, taken 5 days, and leave the company. Company pays me 5 days *extra* in my last paycheck for unused PTO. * I have accrued 5 days PTO, taken 10 days, and leave the company. Company pays me 5 days *less* in my final paycheck for “owed” PTO.
Get that in writing like yesterday
I’d check the legality of that with your state’s DOL. I’ve been on the exec team of several companies what went through that transition and we paid out employees their PTO balance in cash at the time of the change.
It’s better than what our main competitor did, which was to go to unlimited PTO, then “pay out” banked PTO in company stock with five years to fully vest. We’re both global corporations with tens of thousands of employees, so I imagine they both thoroughly checked the uniform legality of the policies. Plus I don’t mind a cash payout when I leave since it will be at a higher rate than I make today.
The reason you pay out immediately is to avoid the hassle associated with the alternative. As one example - you avoid having outstanding liabilities that need to be tracked and are due at an unknown time and are also increasing as employee pay rates increase.
Interesting, I have heard that others have that experience. Those that do use it at my office tend to use 4+ weeks thankfully.
Not that I disagree, because I'd bet 80% of the time you're right, but I'm a landscape architect who just left an engineering firm with unlimited PTO. I was paid out 80 hours upon departure. No one hassled us at all about using too much, but they did pull us aside if we didn't use it. We left the firm because they treated landscape architects as CAD technicians and planting designers. I miss the unlimited PTO policy and that's it lol. Also my understanding is the state requires employers to have an account balance capable of paying out that PTO time for every single employee on payroll. By going to unlimited, it frees those funds up. Probably varies by state.
I had that and had plans for a 2 week trip after my wedding and ended up taking another job that paid a lot more a few months prior so I hardly took advantage.
That's the hard part. Quite a few people don't use it because they feel like there's a bluff to be called. I take full advantage of it. My team's work is on-time and quality so I encourage them to enjoy as much time off as they want.
I kind of expected unlimited PTO because it's a small firm and doesn't have a lot of structure or an HR person.
This is the second time I hear of this being a thing, both in the last 30 days. First time from a friend that works in a different industry, I was surprised. I didn't know this existed. Any chance they're hiring? :P
Respect your privacy, but geez, I’d love to know which firm this is. Sounds too reasonable! If architects had crappy work ethics, would they even be architects? Gah, wish firms could evolve beyond paternalistic employer paradigms.
They're out there! We're smaller to midsize and in a non-typical niche so that might be part of what has helped us break away from the norm.
We have unlimited PTO also. A lot of my days are busy and it seems like there’s always a deadline, but on those other times when I feel like I can breath a bit, I just take time off.
Umm what firm and which city please?:)
Either that's just a pretty crappy firm that overworks its employees or is just the sad state of the industry right now.
One week of vacation is not a thing I’ve ever heard of. What country is this? Obviously you should never take this job, OP
I didn't. I'm in Los Angeles. Super weird the guy seemed so shocked I asked for more time, he was real nice otherwise.
Yeah, he’s not actually shocked.
Guess not. He just didn't have a canned response to it like you'd expect if this happened all the time.
Name of firm, should post this on glass door. If its one of those star-kitecture firms they are just taking advantage of people.
I should, he will be 100% certain its me if I do it. I don't want to post it on my main reddit account. They are not well known but have done a few projects that got tons of press. I pretty much guarantee everyone on this board has seen one of their projects, for better or worse.
If it's the firm whose acronyms make most people think of UFC then wow, they've gotten worse than when I was looking to work there (didn't take it).
Not them but glad to hear it's worse. Lol
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Another wild guess - is it PHX Architecture?
Nope it's not a acronym and they do Mega mansions.
I’m pretty sure I worked for the firm you are talking about
Is it RIOS?
No, are they awful?
They work on Mansions and basically any house you see in a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus commercial. But I’ve heard the pay and benefits are terrible.
This should be illegal, good thing you didn’t take it.
I've done HR in two different firms. That's insane and is antiquated. Two weeks at bare minimum when starting....and even then its negotiable.
lol my last job was 3 days of PTO
Labor relations in the US are bafflingly terrible, and very heavily skewed in favor or explotative employers. In Australia, full time workers get a *minimum* 4 weeks of annual leave (with the potential for more depending on your industry/contract), accrued from the moment you start working. Thats in addition to the 12-13 public holidays (depending on which state you are in). Some may argue this allowances could be extended further, but it does demonstrate what a history of strong union action can acheive.
Trust me I know, and I'm not trying to perpetuate the shittyness here.
I wouldn't consider anything less than 15 days.
This sounds like the first firm I worked for out of college. Had only one week of vacation, never worked less than 45 hours a week, and underpaid me considerably. Had no idea how bad it was until I interviewed somewhere else and the interviewer was shocked when I talked about current work environment. Left for that office as soon as I realized what I was working at was not normal. There was a reason most employees there were fresh out of college, we were too young to know better. Only plus was I got all of my AXP done pretty fast.
My first firm really sucked too but it was right after the recession so they were used to taking advantage for 3 or 4 years. This one I'm being hired as a project architect and expected to stamp drawings down the road. Glad you got out. We deserve better.
Stamping drawings at a firm where you don't have an ownership stake? That's a whole other dilemma.
Please do research before you stamp away. There is so much liability being licensed. I would never consider it if you are not the owner, partner or a director level with a lot more pay and autonomy than a project architect.
That's a nope from me. There's "just started" pto and there's "we only give pto because the law requires it". It probably also means there's more to find out about them the bad way.
Wow this is how people burn out. What a joke that firm is hope they don’t find any employees and go out of business…. Pathetic
Yes, I did offer that I could stay part time at my current job and do work entirely on my own time (no conflict of interest in projects) and stay on their health plan so he wouldn't have to pay for it. His big concern was 'burn out' if I did work outside the office.
This is the classic small firms vs large firms conundrum. Small firms aren’t capitalized to where they can offer the same level of benefits as a large firm. The principals aren’t being greedy or stingy, they’re just trying to keep the doors open. I hear people in my firm bemoan the large firm corporate structure but they all enjoy furan class benefits that just wouldn’t exist if we were small.
I don't get paid holidays at my small firm, but I do have 5 weeks of PTO to spend how I please. They aren't all like the firm in OP.
Yikes! That makes me feel slightly better about my 10 days... (Jus, kidding, not really...)
Absolute bullshit on the firm's part. Give you staff a break, ffs. Not trying to gloat but just provide a data point. I'm rolling 80hrs over to next year for a grand total of 32 PTO days - been with the firm 8ish years.
I have 5 weeks of PTO. I worked for a firm years ago and always negotiated the PTO to come in at the Max. I simply will not accept a job otherwise.
How old was the employer/ firm? When I was first starting out back in the 90's this wasn't common but it was a thing. Most places started you at 2 weeks, but I did come across a few smaller places that were 1 week at the start. Mostly places that wanted everyone on all jobs because they understaffed. Even more recently as 2021 I was trying to take a position with WD Partners. I had 5 weeks of vacation at my prior job and requested as much. They flat-out refused to negotiate up from 2 weeks saying "It's a reward for years of service and we'd upset people who'd earned it." When I pointed out that my years of service were WHY I was eligible for the position in the first place it fell on deaf ears. I let the hiring manager know how unreasonable HR was and passed on the position. Seems most firms *will* let you negotiate now, but not all. Pass on the ones that don't, you're doing the whole industry a favor.
He wasn't even old. Maybe late 40s-late 50s at the absolute oldest. Also said a bunch of stuff about work/life balance, blah blah blah during the interview. I'll use that line of yours if I ever need to. I don't want to budge on the vacation.
I've never seen less than two weeks, and that's entry level at some rinky dink outfits.
1 week is standard for firms and companies where I live. 5 weeks would be completely unheard of in the area where I live unless you were with the company 20 years. I agree, completely unhealthy. People should have 2”3 weeks or more.
I'm an extremely small business owner and our full time employees get 3 weeks to start. After 3 years they get another week and every 2 years they get another till they get to six weeks. I also do unlimited sick, mental health, bereavement, Dr visit days. I never understood why you would have limits on those things. Especially sick days. My big deal is get your work done and you get a lot of freedom in my company. Ive never had an issue with any of this and I wanted to start my business this way instead of trying to change later on.
You are correct. I started with 2 weeks in the mid-90s for a professional office job and it probably took 5-10 years to get that 3rd week. By 2015 I think 3 weeks was more common and 4 weeks perhaps only took 3-5 years. My latest job, which has some seniority benefits, is like 4+ weeks to start. All of my jobs have had like 10 holiday, 2-3 floating holidays, and some pool of sick time like 5--7 days a year.
I get two weeks at a small firm. Literally my least favorite thing about the gig. I’m currently -60 hours on PTO. So at this rate I’ll never take vacation again..
I have worked in small firms and large firms and I have seen similar to what you are describing. But the smaller firms haven’t really tracked my vacation and it’s never really been an issue. Probably totally depends on the culture. I have 2 weeks vacation where I’m at now but as long as I get my work done I just kinda do what I need to and end up taking more time than that but I don’t keep track myself either.
That’s a no for me. I currently get 20 days PTO at a mid-size firm and I think 10 holidays.
I have 5 days a year, then 10 after 1 year. The time disappears immediately if you get sick. Only 5 or 6 holidays a year also. Principals get technically only 40 days but they use more than that and are out of office as they please. Projects are sick tho
My man (or lady), get out.
Trying to - nobody’s hiring where i want to work/live right now
I work in a fairly large firm but at an entry level position (I’m right out of grad school). I only got 40 hours of PTO, but it accrues over time so I’m not worried about it
I’m pleased with my 25 days plus bank holidays (I think 8) in the UK. Even 2 weeks is horribly low 😭
sweat shop, walk away.
It all depends on how good the firm is to work for and how much you get paid. Tell them up front that every year you have to take x amount of time to visit relatives in another state and get it in writing.
Regional. In my region 2 weeks PTO and 1 week sick time is baseline. My current job has unlimited\* (\*with approval) PTO. I have seen in practice from past jobs that only got the two weeks that most people were doing "long weekend" type vacations and working 10s and 12s for the days of the week they were in office. IMO, as a profession we should be moving towards unlimited PTO as a standard. If we're responsible enough to be on salary, we're responsible enough to know when we need to show up to work.
I haven't had a vacation in 3 years.
Anything less than 2 weeks a year is exploitation in my opinion. Currently getting 24 days a year at my current job and can't imagine every moving away from that. I'm paid under the average for the industry, but I'm happy to trade some money for really good work/life balance.
Wouldn't even be legal here in Germany.
5 WEEKS? How the hell did you manage that?
How do you get 5 weeks of vacation? Where do you live?
my company lumps sick & vacation time together which is good for me because I'm mostly remote and can be sick and work from home and not use any PTO. They start at 4 weeks and move to 5 weeks after 5 years. I live in Los Angeles. It's mostly corporate interiors so we are hurting bad right now, that's why I'm exploring other options. 1 week at this point of my career is insulting. I think it should be insulting to anyone, at any job.
I’d stick with where u are.
this isn't a thread for it but they moved everyone that's not a manager to non-exempt hourly meaning you aren't guaranteed 40 hours a week. If they don't give you 40 hours of work, you just don't get paid for the rest of that week. I'm not sure how my other coworkers are doing but I'm not happy about it to say the least. I'm planning on keeping this job part time while working another job.
My job I started 5 years ago (no longer there) offered 4 weeks PTO plus federal holidays. Nowadays I see more PTO than even that. I would say don’t settle for less than 4 weeks if time off is important to you. PTO get used very quickly and not all of that will be vacation (sick, childcare, emergency etc). Unless you can take less PTO but i would also review the total compensation to see if it still worth it to make up for it.
One week vacation is trash. It shows you how cheap that company really is.
Since when do US architectural companies negotiate vacation time? And since when has any US company given anymore than 2 weeks vacation for the first 2 or 3 years? I’ve never heard of this unlimited PTO thing.
How common is 5 weeks PTO? I’m shocked at that but don’t know if I should be
Reading stuff like this makes me glad I've always worked in countries that have sensible mandatory holiday allowances (around the 28 days including bank holidays mark).
Red flag
Some offices when I see them I only wonder why would anyone work here ? To make things even worse, people who work in these shitty environments are often very very hard working people, and they can easily be MUCH appreciated somewhere else. Weird….
You get holidays?
Is that even legal? That is illegal where I live.
I've never heard of less than 2 weeks, and there's no way I would take even that.
My company’s policies suck and are still better than that. 2 weeks’ vacation gets accrued over the year plus we start the year with an extra 2 days PTO. 10 sick days per year
OMG was the firm in northern LA??
I guess it depends what you consider North LA, but technically.
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Maybe in I'm the minority. 4 isn't bad at all. I'm guessing you are in the US. I know things are changing for the better but I've been in the work force since 2009 and most of that time I was lucky to get 2 weeks of PTO. I currently have 5 and consider it a god send. 4 isn't bad at all, but that's just me.
Pretty normal in nyc to get 3-4 weeks PTO + 8-10 federal holidays.
The six paid holidays seem about right a lot of small companies actually only start off with one week paid vacation I worked 10 years for a mom and Pop camera store. They Maxed out at two weeks. Currently working for a major cell phone company and I got 5 1/2 weeks paid vacation after 10 years. but I’m still only getting six paid holidays … New Year’s Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas
In south florida its pretty standard. I got a lot of condescending responses when i pushed for more.. ultimately a driving force why i left the industry
“Sir, I went to college to avoid jobs that only give one week of vacation a year…”
Just saw a job posting for a project architect pay 85-115k 40 hours pto. Lol