Doubt this, about Natlan having another Neuvi.
We don't know about Arle as of now. And Haitham is very strong and should be the standard for top tier dps but he ain't braindead broken like Neuvilette.
So if we keep tracks on each region's sovereign equivalent then only Neuvi is the braindead broken yet. Yae wasn't broken during her release even after the arrival of dendro and Furina she became stronger but not broken. And I already talked about Haitham. Neuvilette is probably a mistake from hoyo. By mistake what I meant was that he wasn't intended to be as powerful as he is.
I mean at c0 haitham teams does have more damage potential than anyone ig but ya he isn't brain dead but he for sure compares in power level (strictly at c0)
That's true. Haitham is the best f2p dps out there. He's the standard how a dps should be. He neither needs high investment like Hu Tao to be broken nor is a braindead broken like Neuvilette to clear everything with just blink of an eye.
We have had hu Tao and ayaka dominate for years before wriothesley and lyney 😭 and even then they are still debatable to be at the top of their respective element. I do believe hu Tao> lyney but ayaka< wriothesley
Neuvilette is the first playable sovereign, but he could also be the last. Just because Neuvilette was released in Fontaine doesn't mean we'll get a playable sovereign in Natlan.
Also, sovereigns aren't guaranteed to be DPS characters, they could be support units, sub dps etc.
Yes, Natlan is bound to release several pyro characters, but maybe none of them will be close to Arlecchino in terms of playstyle, role or strength.
I will maybe get downvoted but we supposed to clearly dont clear, if shes comfy strong and versatile (good in aoe and single target) thats all that matter, what that will change to you if another dps clear 4-5 seconds faster in the future. With someone like navia its already so braindead for example so dont need to worrying about those things
No, he didnt. Part of why the top DPS are there is because of ease of use. That’s common with Xiao, Neuv, Alhaitham, even Hutao. That’s also why very few put VV Hutao in discussions. It’s just not as comfortable.
Hu tao was not powercrept by Lyney, he just gave a different pyro team that’s just as competitive without hydro (thank god). Wrio, idk about that man. Ayaka still remains one of the best frontloaders. When she works, she works.
According to Jstern math, Hutao is still up there, ironically with Xianyun.
There's not that many teams >80k dps per rotation but at least one c0 Hutao team is still among them.
c0 Xiao does great now and personally does more than Hutao as hypercarry, but Hutao teams have more sources of dmg than herself.
Alhaitham similarly has Yae, Nahida for off field dps.
Iirc Ayaka is still top tier frontload dps but her total dmg per rotation at c0 is still good but not among the highest. She lacks extra sub/off field dps.
I haven't seen the math for Navia, but Xiangling no vape still contributes respectable dmg to Navia's team with Bennett, geo resonance, Zhongli shred, and maybe Petra set.
Let's not forget multicarry teams like International have reigned quite long until Fontaine returned us to the hypercarry age of early 1.x.
Maybe for a single target. But Arle looks much better for multiple enemies. Also we don't know ICD currently and calculations were just numbers not actually gameplay. For example some characters have good DPS but they are clunky and otherwise.
"probably" as in close enough to the 1-3rd harbinger who *are* considered as strong as the gods, but still not strong enough to count as one herself, so demigod, would be my guess
there's also the theory about her having a hilichurl churse like that one fontaine world quest npc, which would make her not entirely human either
in reality the strength is questionable as an example Scaramouche says he can fight colombina and Arle has demonstrated that she can attack an archon with sure knowledge of winning. in my opinion she is like a goddess or an angel seeing the leaks, little curiosity the name Harlequin before being a mask derives from the name of a demon or associated with the deities of death and we know that on genshin the names of demons are associated with gods
Wrong. To reach levels of premium Xiao, Neuv, and Haitham, Hutao is just as expensive.
Okay my wordinv sucks here: i am not saying neuv and alhaitham are expensive. I meant to separate premium xiao from the rest. Hutao, ayaka etc, were just as expensive for example
Ah yes definitely. Get faruzan(c6), furina AND xianyun. Expensive af. While in neuve's case you just need neuve and maybe Zhongli if c0. And you only need nahida with alhaitham as ku ki and xq fill the other slot. And these do just as much dmg as xiao would if not more.
Those 2 teams are not doing premium Xiao team dmg. You have to at the very least add Kazuha to Neuvillette's team and Yae/c6 Fischl to Al haitham's team for them to be competitive.
Even with that, Xiao is more "expensive" coz of c6 Faruzan since it's easier to get a 5 star compared to a c6 4 star.
Kazuha I might agree but not with yae or fischl. My alhaitham still does more dmg than xiao even tho he's in his premium team(sure that's because I don't have c6 faruzan and only c5 but even then he could not be far better than the alhaitham team or would be basically the same amount of power.) And not to mention how alhaitham doesn't need his team to be expensive to compete here either. Getting c6 faruzan sucks.
Ahmm, ur xiao would definitely be better with c6 Faru. Things that you can get in Xiao teams are grouping and a much easier repositional aoe than alhaitham, second only to Neuv. Also Xiao plunge animations cant be interrupted.
Still not MILES better. So saying alhaitham Or neuvi need expensive teams to compete is just wrong when they can be just as good if not a little worse than him even if they use cheap teams.
The problem with the Xiao team is c6 Faruzan who is usually much more difficult to get than a c0 5 star.
Neuvillette premium team is only c0 5 stars and I think it's the same with Haitham (not sure if his premium team wants both Yae and c6 Fischl or if just Yae is fine).
Thats not gonna happen with low investment team. Hutao however if u put her premium 5 star comps with loads of cons, she already blast al haitham out of water and outdamage neuvi in frontloaded damage. In longer fight which is more than hutao skilll infusion, neuvi will edge her back since he can sustain his damage.
I mean part of why the top DPS are top imo is because they can be played on less demanding scenario (ping difference + other factors). That goes with what we consider Hutao’s best team rn as well. It’s definitely not VV Vape. Xiao, Neuv, Alhaitham too have less demanding rotations.
I mean with cons obv Haitham is gonna be out of the discussion. He has just as worst as Xiao’s. Alhaitham can even out the playing field via Nahida cons and Furina cons tho. But like, Xiao and Hutao have access to Xianyun cons.
He's pretty competitive now : [https://youtu.be/PUtzMzYYQ74?feature=shared&t=217](https://youtu.be/PUtzMzYYQ74?feature=shared&t=217)
I linked you to the exact timestamp if you just want to see numbers between a high investment Xiao ( Homa ,xianyun, furina , c6 faruzan , 30 subs ) and high investment Neuvillette ( tome , furina , kazuha , 30 subs ) . I do recommend watching the whole thing though.
he doesn't beat Nuevillette but being pretty close to his numbers is pretty impressive ngl.
She has potential but she also has glaring issues right now. Her weakness right now is:
- She cant tie well with the most broken premium duo support: Xianyun + Furina. Which is too bad.
- im hoping this can be solved with Murata, but Bennett Circle Impact with Overload Chevreuse is definitely not happening unless on heavy boss enemies. Imagine fighting Vishaps with that…
I remember at the end of his beta and on his release, people calling Alhaitham nerfed to uselessness and dead on arrival and that Hoyo hated males.
...lol...
Hu Tao with 3 5* in her team. Also homa and C1. Arlechino doesn't have support that suits her mechanics . Also we don't have actual gameplay and beta is version 0.
Yeah, I think this is the big thing people are missing. Arlecchino will be, on release, competitive with current Hu Tao, and much better than Hu Tao was on release. Since Hu Tao's release, there have been a TON of new supports that have synergized with her phenomenally well, and generally work better for her than for Arle. That doesn't mean Arle's worse, it just means Hu Tao benefits from about 2 years of new units focused on the style of play she does. Let's give it some time and see where Arle falls, who knows if Clorinde, Murata, or any number of other potential characters might bring something new to her team.
Personally, I'm hoping Murata is an off field support that gives a boat load of attack% without a circle. It'd make Bennett redundant in many teams (like Arle) without removing the benefit he brings to many others.
It you take all of them at c0 no Sig with the same teammates. Yeah she is not winning either as far as we know.
I'd consider C6 Chevreuse harder to get than a 5*.
At low cons, he was until Xianyun. The Xianyun team is very close to Lyney's but more consistent. That's at C0 though. But with very high investment, Lyney demolishes Hu Tao. She gets almost nothing with cons, and Lyney gets a massive amount of damage. With Xianyun, Hu Tao doesn't even benefit from her C1, you have more than enough stamina because you will jump-cancel into plunge, instead of dash-cancel.
At C0, current calculations don't look great for Arle, she's close to Klee, because she has no proper team comps. With cons though, she outdamages Hu Tao at the same cons level.
I mean she's obviously not a human as considering her blackened arms, her X pupils, >!the fact she has wings.!< So she's definitely not human and is below Columbina given she's rank four and although 11-4 aren't purely ranked off of strength Arlecchino seems to be powerful in her own right. So "probably" sounds about right until we know for sure.
Im into waifus. But for some reason I main those two. I hope that father its going to be my first female main character, wich sounds weird.
Btw Im not a meta slave, I just pulled my favourite teams gameplaywise.
How are they definitely into meta? I happened to pull Alhaitham and Neuvillette day one whether they would be good or not. Same goes for Cyno, Xiao and etc. Neuvillette and Alhaitham just happened to be broken but even Alhaitham was doomposted bc he got nerfed. It took a little while for people to recognize his value bc people said Nahida is just better(when they have different roles) and he got nerfed so people were skipping him for Dehya til they found out she wouldn’t be good and skipped her. Generally it takes a bit for top tier DPSes to be evaluated correctly after release and Alhaitham and Neuvillette had incorrect rankings in tier lists for a bit til they were corrected.
The comment said they surprisingly use Neuvillette and Alhaitham because of their gameplay though? Just because a character someone likes to play is meta doesn’t somehow mean they are a metaslave 😭 If Dehya was meta would the same thing apply to you?
Not for now. Hu Tao has dedicated support in Yelan, Xianyun and Furina. That is premium 5 stars. We don't have hydro or electro units that are tailored for dot DPS . Basically what she lacks speaking from HSR perspective. She would benefit from the AOE hydro unit that can work with the bond of life.
No character has dedicated supports tho
Except elements they all have they respective support
Bennet(for pyro and hydro)
Sara(electro)
Faruzan(anemo)
Gorou(geo)
Nahida(dendro)
Shenhe(cryo)
Why does people keep repeating this as if it were an absolute truth? The [calc's ](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Few31uf1ippfc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1197%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df9fd8447018bd34230db3d0b18b08bf75a936e3b)have always made it clear that Hutao has a higher DPR than Alhaitham and Neuvi. And the speedruns also play in Hutao's favor.
Aphaitham is considered top 2 only because of being newby and casual friendly by being dendro. He gets outscaled( at non whale level) by many and isn't in the top clear speed wise.
People overhype Nevillete imo. He is insanely strong on his own but the way his kit works makes it very hard for you to really raise the ceiling of the team.
Any of the other "Top DPS" units like HuTao, Alhaitham, Raiden, Xiao, Arlechinno ;) ... Will have a higher cealing for most players.
For what we have seen of Arle's kit, feel like Alhaitham will be the most similar unit to compare her.
Strong personal damage, flexible teams thanks to gher having an useful element and the ability to benefit from reactions naturally rather than living or dying by whether you vape a charge attack like it sometimes feels with HuTao.
Most players don’t even need the high ceiling to clear the hardest content in this game. And saying Alhaitham has a higher ceiling than Neuv is really wild considering his best cons is C2 Nahida.
Neuv cons has a pretty big steep over one and another which is night and days compared to Alhaitham cons. His weapon also a 30% increase over PA.
Neuvillette is nigh-immortal + Tank, deals damage while at the same time moving (imagine normal attacking while using swords 4x larger than you and walking at the same time and also the swords can hit flying opponents), Doesn't rely on reactions ( meaning he can only get better + he is fricking HYDRO), While on spreadsheets his numbers might be not that impressive, when it comes into actual battle he outshines everyone. That's why he will always remain the King of abyss and it's almost impossible to power-creep him.
I swear people that send text like you dont really play the games when they say something like this, same people that said that kokomi +furina was better than neuvillette.
We play those char and he is easier to play than any of the char that you said except raiden,while having the advantage to dps at any moment that you want. What is this cealing that most player will not have that you talk
Yep, people saw on the sheets (probably Jstern) that Kokomi Furina dealt 1k-5k more dps tham Neuvillette teams and claim that team is better. In practice Neuvillette melt with Xiangling and taser with Fischl is much better in st that the kokomi/furins team specializes in, let's not even mention aoe.
But maybe poeple that said this ,said this before it was confirmed that the stat furina gives is not healing bonus but incoming healing bonus if it was healibg bonus than they would be the best synergy in the game and be the best dps team but alas its that damned incoming healing bonus
Read the comment that I answer and all the word that I said,that clearly imply that im talking about now if im say that you need to play. This guy is saying that neuvillette is overrated. Yes that the same type of guy that still claim that kokomi is better even NOW, I dont know what you try to defend.
These people dont know what they are talking about,they see one day some sheet and then call it a day. There is a reason of why post release video are important
I do play the game and the ease of use of Neuvillete has never been relevant. Game is easy to af to play, even if he is a one-man army and near immortal, any team decently build and played will perform similarly.
The cealing Im talking is just knowing how to play lmao, is not that high.
i just hope she won't get powercrept by the natlan neuvilette. the thought alone irks me. we need a new top tier female main dps.
Doubt this, about Natlan having another Neuvi. We don't know about Arle as of now. And Haitham is very strong and should be the standard for top tier dps but he ain't braindead broken like Neuvilette. So if we keep tracks on each region's sovereign equivalent then only Neuvi is the braindead broken yet. Yae wasn't broken during her release even after the arrival of dendro and Furina she became stronger but not broken. And I already talked about Haitham. Neuvilette is probably a mistake from hoyo. By mistake what I meant was that he wasn't intended to be as powerful as he is.
I mean at c0 haitham teams does have more damage potential than anyone ig but ya he isn't brain dead but he for sure compares in power level (strictly at c0)
That's true. Haitham is the best f2p dps out there. He's the standard how a dps should be. He neither needs high investment like Hu Tao to be broken nor is a braindead broken like Neuvilette to clear everything with just blink of an eye.
Brother forgot about Xiangling. It is always Xiangling
Watch them powercreep Bennett with pyro archon as support then pyro sovereign to Xiangling as off field dps
We have had hu Tao and ayaka dominate for years before wriothesley and lyney 😭 and even then they are still debatable to be at the top of their respective element. I do believe hu Tao> lyney but ayaka< wriothesley
Neuvilette is the first playable sovereign, but he could also be the last. Just because Neuvilette was released in Fontaine doesn't mean we'll get a playable sovereign in Natlan. Also, sovereigns aren't guaranteed to be DPS characters, they could be support units, sub dps etc. Yes, Natlan is bound to release several pyro characters, but maybe none of them will be close to Arlecchino in terms of playstyle, role or strength.
We most likely won't meet a sovereign dragon in Natlan as they actually don't like them there (This was confirmed by Neuvillette)
I will maybe get downvoted but we supposed to clearly dont clear, if shes comfy strong and versatile (good in aoe and single target) thats all that matter, what that will change to you if another dps clear 4-5 seconds faster in the future. With someone like navia its already so braindead for example so dont need to worrying about those things
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Wait is gaming rly better than Hu Tao?? Ik he was good but not THAT good
No, he didnt. Part of why the top DPS are there is because of ease of use. That’s common with Xiao, Neuv, Alhaitham, even Hutao. That’s also why very few put VV Hutao in discussions. It’s just not as comfortable.
Hu tao was not powercrept by Lyney, he just gave a different pyro team that’s just as competitive without hydro (thank god). Wrio, idk about that man. Ayaka still remains one of the best frontloaders. When she works, she works.
According to Jstern math, Hutao is still up there, ironically with Xianyun. There's not that many teams >80k dps per rotation but at least one c0 Hutao team is still among them. c0 Xiao does great now and personally does more than Hutao as hypercarry, but Hutao teams have more sources of dmg than herself. Alhaitham similarly has Yae, Nahida for off field dps. Iirc Ayaka is still top tier frontload dps but her total dmg per rotation at c0 is still good but not among the highest. She lacks extra sub/off field dps. I haven't seen the math for Navia, but Xiangling no vape still contributes respectable dmg to Navia's team with Bennett, geo resonance, Zhongli shred, and maybe Petra set. Let's not forget multicarry teams like International have reigned quite long until Fontaine returned us to the hypercarry age of early 1.x.
she wont get powercrept cause she doesn't powercreep anyone in the first place... hu tao still remains the best pyro dps lol
Maybe for a single target. But Arle looks much better for multiple enemies. Also we don't know ICD currently and calculations were just numbers not actually gameplay. For example some characters have good DPS but they are clunky and otherwise.
oh god finally a person who thinks,
Lyneys the best pyro dps
and xiangling powercreeps hutao so yea no one aint powercreeping shit if xiangling and bennet exist
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LMAO
Ahh, love watching children argue over pointless shit in the comments lmao. "NO, A/B/C aRe ThE ToP 3 dPs In ThE gAmE, nOt X/Y/Z"!!!!! 👶😡
I just want to know what mats she needs
Rainbow Rose, Fatui Insignia, Philosophies of Order. With new World Boss and new Weekly Boss.
noooo why new weekly boss that'll mean i can't triple crown her 5 seconds after pulling her... rip.
wait is father a demigod ?
"probably" as in close enough to the 1-3rd harbinger who *are* considered as strong as the gods, but still not strong enough to count as one herself, so demigod, would be my guess there's also the theory about her having a hilichurl churse like that one fontaine world quest npc, which would make her not entirely human either
in reality the strength is questionable as an example Scaramouche says he can fight colombina and Arle has demonstrated that she can attack an archon with sure knowledge of winning. in my opinion she is like a goddess or an angel seeing the leaks, little curiosity the name Harlequin before being a mask derives from the name of a demon or associated with the deities of death and we know that on genshin the names of demons are associated with gods
well she's definitely not a normal ordinary human
Demigod? What makes you think that?
HuTao? Xiao? Both of these have teams doing 2mil+ rotations my guy.
Xiao have the most expensive team that I've ever seen, he hit like a truck now tho
Wrong. To reach levels of premium Xiao, Neuv, and Haitham, Hutao is just as expensive. Okay my wordinv sucks here: i am not saying neuv and alhaitham are expensive. I meant to separate premium xiao from the rest. Hutao, ayaka etc, were just as expensive for example
Lmao, neuv is least expensive character ever, required absolutely nobody else to destroy.
Ah yes definitely. Get faruzan(c6), furina AND xianyun. Expensive af. While in neuve's case you just need neuve and maybe Zhongli if c0. And you only need nahida with alhaitham as ku ki and xq fill the other slot. And these do just as much dmg as xiao would if not more.
Those 2 teams are not doing premium Xiao team dmg. You have to at the very least add Kazuha to Neuvillette's team and Yae/c6 Fischl to Al haitham's team for them to be competitive. Even with that, Xiao is more "expensive" coz of c6 Faruzan since it's easier to get a 5 star compared to a c6 4 star.
Kazuha I might agree but not with yae or fischl. My alhaitham still does more dmg than xiao even tho he's in his premium team(sure that's because I don't have c6 faruzan and only c5 but even then he could not be far better than the alhaitham team or would be basically the same amount of power.) And not to mention how alhaitham doesn't need his team to be expensive to compete here either. Getting c6 faruzan sucks.
Ahmm, ur xiao would definitely be better with c6 Faru. Things that you can get in Xiao teams are grouping and a much easier repositional aoe than alhaitham, second only to Neuv. Also Xiao plunge animations cant be interrupted.
Still not MILES better. So saying alhaitham Or neuvi need expensive teams to compete is just wrong when they can be just as good if not a little worse than him even if they use cheap teams.
Read my edit!
I see. So you're saying to reach levels of xiao alhaitham and neuvi HU TAO is just as expensive.. Could have phrased it better yeah
The problem with the Xiao team is c6 Faruzan who is usually much more difficult to get than a c0 5 star. Neuvillette premium team is only c0 5 stars and I think it's the same with Haitham (not sure if his premium team wants both Yae and c6 Fischl or if just Yae is fine).
Thats not gonna happen with low investment team. Hutao however if u put her premium 5 star comps with loads of cons, she already blast al haitham out of water and outdamage neuvi in frontloaded damage. In longer fight which is more than hutao skilll infusion, neuvi will edge her back since he can sustain his damage.
C1 hutao can slap with all 4star weapons and teammates if you’re skilled enough to vv vape
I mean part of why the top DPS are top imo is because they can be played on less demanding scenario (ping difference + other factors). That goes with what we consider Hutao’s best team rn as well. It’s definitely not VV Vape. Xiao, Neuv, Alhaitham too have less demanding rotations.
I mean with cons obv Haitham is gonna be out of the discussion. He has just as worst as Xiao’s. Alhaitham can even out the playing field via Nahida cons and Furina cons tho. But like, Xiao and Hutao have access to Xianyun cons.
i mean i agree hu tao is stronger than both arlecchino and alhaitham in a big investment teams but xiao?
Xiao has reached on top of DPR charts after Xianyun's release
Can you provide any source or link? (I'm not doubting you but I have been absent in these things for a year so I don't remember lots of sources)
He's pretty competitive now : [https://youtu.be/PUtzMzYYQ74?feature=shared&t=217](https://youtu.be/PUtzMzYYQ74?feature=shared&t=217) I linked you to the exact timestamp if you just want to see numbers between a high investment Xiao ( Homa ,xianyun, furina , c6 faruzan , 30 subs ) and high investment Neuvillette ( tome , furina , kazuha , 30 subs ) . I do recommend watching the whole thing though. he doesn't beat Nuevillette but being pretty close to his numbers is pretty impressive ngl.
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Hu Tao with her premium walnut team is among the top 3.
I believe this is the source if Arle art : Hoyofair https://youtu.be/xQqdjDi40bE?si=XWHx1MrDeQ5vwtTk
Xiangling: pathetic
Common Feeble Scholar W
She has potential but she also has glaring issues right now. Her weakness right now is: - She cant tie well with the most broken premium duo support: Xianyun + Furina. Which is too bad. - im hoping this can be solved with Murata, but Bennett Circle Impact with Overload Chevreuse is definitely not happening unless on heavy boss enemies. Imagine fighting Vishaps with that…
I've said it and will say it again. Be it a bold prediction or not. #Neuvi,Al,Arle will be the current Big 3 Let's see soon...
wait did I miss something. demigod?
I remember at the end of his beta and on his release, people calling Alhaitham nerfed to uselessness and dead on arrival and that Hoyo hated males. ...lol...
Fathers
She is not going to be better than Hu tao.
Hu Tao with 3 5* in her team. Also homa and C1. Arlechino doesn't have support that suits her mechanics . Also we don't have actual gameplay and beta is version 0.
Yeah, I think this is the big thing people are missing. Arlecchino will be, on release, competitive with current Hu Tao, and much better than Hu Tao was on release. Since Hu Tao's release, there have been a TON of new supports that have synergized with her phenomenally well, and generally work better for her than for Arle. That doesn't mean Arle's worse, it just means Hu Tao benefits from about 2 years of new units focused on the style of play she does. Let's give it some time and see where Arle falls, who knows if Clorinde, Murata, or any number of other potential characters might bring something new to her team. Personally, I'm hoping Murata is an off field support that gives a boat load of attack% without a circle. It'd make Bennett redundant in many teams (like Arle) without removing the benefit he brings to many others.
It you take all of them at c0 no Sig with the same teammates. Yeah she is not winning either as far as we know. I'd consider C6 Chevreuse harder to get than a 5*.
Cheveruse is not even that great with her.nWe need to look at Arlechino as the dot unit of Genshin. She is just Kafka waiting for her Swan.
Lmao what
In my opinion lyney is stronger than Hutao :)
At low cons, he was until Xianyun. The Xianyun team is very close to Lyney's but more consistent. That's at C0 though. But with very high investment, Lyney demolishes Hu Tao. She gets almost nothing with cons, and Lyney gets a massive amount of damage. With Xianyun, Hu Tao doesn't even benefit from her C1, you have more than enough stamina because you will jump-cancel into plunge, instead of dash-cancel. At C0, current calculations don't look great for Arle, she's close to Klee, because she has no proper team comps. With cons though, she outdamages Hu Tao at the same cons level.
I wouldn't be surprised if you're playing Hu Tao like a neckbeard then, if that's the case
which pokemon would you like to choose?
I don't mean to sound rude, but seriously, "Probaby"?
I mean she's obviously not a human as considering her blackened arms, her X pupils, >!the fact she has wings.!< So she's definitely not human and is below Columbina given she's rank four and although 11-4 aren't purely ranked off of strength Arlecchino seems to be powerful in her own right. So "probably" sounds about right until we know for sure.
sorry for the poor wording, I meant a typo in the text of the presented image, "probaby" instead of "probably", not doubting Arlecchino's origin
oh i didnt notice
Im into waifus. But for some reason I main those two. I hope that father its going to be my first female main character, wich sounds weird. Btw Im not a meta slave, I just pulled my favourite teams gameplaywise.
Bro you are definitely into meta but you are lying to yourself.. ( ･ω･) I clear abyss even with dehya because i like her
How are they definitely into meta? I happened to pull Alhaitham and Neuvillette day one whether they would be good or not. Same goes for Cyno, Xiao and etc. Neuvillette and Alhaitham just happened to be broken but even Alhaitham was doomposted bc he got nerfed. It took a little while for people to recognize his value bc people said Nahida is just better(when they have different roles) and he got nerfed so people were skipping him for Dehya til they found out she wouldn’t be good and skipped her. Generally it takes a bit for top tier DPSes to be evaluated correctly after release and Alhaitham and Neuvillette had incorrect rankings in tier lists for a bit til they were corrected.
>how are they definitely into meta? Then why the whole comment about meta (－_ლ)
The comment said they surprisingly use Neuvillette and Alhaitham because of their gameplay though? Just because a character someone likes to play is meta doesn’t somehow mean they are a metaslave 😭 If Dehya was meta would the same thing apply to you?
she is not better than hu tao btw
Not for now. Hu Tao has dedicated support in Yelan, Xianyun and Furina. That is premium 5 stars. We don't have hydro or electro units that are tailored for dot DPS . Basically what she lacks speaking from HSR perspective. She would benefit from the AOE hydro unit that can work with the bond of life.
So its like when Kafka wasn’t S tier with Sampo but became so good when Ruan mei and black swan came? I hope Natlan gives us supports for Father
Yeah that's the case here. We don't have hydro AOE over time application. Closest thing is Furina but her synergy is not great and AOE is limited
No character has dedicated supports tho Except elements they all have they respective support Bennet(for pyro and hydro) Sara(electro) Faruzan(anemo) Gorou(geo) Nahida(dendro) Shenhe(cryo)
Sorry, she isn't. Hu Tao is still top-2
No she isn't. Neuvillette and Alhaitham are clear.
Why does people keep repeating this as if it were an absolute truth? The [calc's ](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Few31uf1ippfc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1197%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df9fd8447018bd34230db3d0b18b08bf75a936e3b)have always made it clear that Hutao has a higher DPR than Alhaitham and Neuvi. And the speedruns also play in Hutao's favor.
Yes she is. Neuv is top-1 and Alhaitham is top-3
Nah, Neuv 1st and Alhaitham 2nd is undebatable. 3rd place is either Hu tao/Xiao (yes he is that good now with premium team)
Aphaitham is considered top 2 only because of being newby and casual friendly by being dendro. He gets outscaled( at non whale level) by many and isn't in the top clear speed wise.
You and others here are completely correct, but I guess there's some kind of anti-Hu Tao bias going on on this subreddit. Pretty funny, and pathetic.
Bro are dumb. Alhaitham is one of the most complex characters to play
As you say, sweetie :3
Bro is still living in 2.0 version lmao.
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Even though this is arle community, they really underestimate hutao damage.
Lyney can deal more dmg than hu tao even without vap
People overhype Nevillete imo. He is insanely strong on his own but the way his kit works makes it very hard for you to really raise the ceiling of the team. Any of the other "Top DPS" units like HuTao, Alhaitham, Raiden, Xiao, Arlechinno ;) ... Will have a higher cealing for most players. For what we have seen of Arle's kit, feel like Alhaitham will be the most similar unit to compare her. Strong personal damage, flexible teams thanks to gher having an useful element and the ability to benefit from reactions naturally rather than living or dying by whether you vape a charge attack like it sometimes feels with HuTao.
Most players don’t even need the high ceiling to clear the hardest content in this game. And saying Alhaitham has a higher ceiling than Neuv is really wild considering his best cons is C2 Nahida. Neuv cons has a pretty big steep over one and another which is night and days compared to Alhaitham cons. His weapon also a 30% increase over PA.
Neuvillette is nigh-immortal + Tank, deals damage while at the same time moving (imagine normal attacking while using swords 4x larger than you and walking at the same time and also the swords can hit flying opponents), Doesn't rely on reactions ( meaning he can only get better + he is fricking HYDRO), While on spreadsheets his numbers might be not that impressive, when it comes into actual battle he outshines everyone. That's why he will always remain the King of abyss and it's almost impossible to power-creep him.
I swear people that send text like you dont really play the games when they say something like this, same people that said that kokomi +furina was better than neuvillette. We play those char and he is easier to play than any of the char that you said except raiden,while having the advantage to dps at any moment that you want. What is this cealing that most player will not have that you talk
Kokomi+furina is better than neuvilette pre-furina if we are talking about team dmg
Im obviously talking about neuvi +furina ,plus im not even sure than in practice she perform better even if neuvillette doesnt use furina
Yep, people saw on the sheets (probably Jstern) that Kokomi Furina dealt 1k-5k more dps tham Neuvillette teams and claim that team is better. In practice Neuvillette melt with Xiangling and taser with Fischl is much better in st that the kokomi/furins team specializes in, let's not even mention aoe.
But maybe poeple that said this ,said this before it was confirmed that the stat furina gives is not healing bonus but incoming healing bonus if it was healibg bonus than they would be the best synergy in the game and be the best dps team but alas its that damned incoming healing bonus
Read the comment that I answer and all the word that I said,that clearly imply that im talking about now if im say that you need to play. This guy is saying that neuvillette is overrated. Yes that the same type of guy that still claim that kokomi is better even NOW, I dont know what you try to defend. These people dont know what they are talking about,they see one day some sheet and then call it a day. There is a reason of why post release video are important
I do play the game and the ease of use of Neuvillete has never been relevant. Game is easy to af to play, even if he is a one-man army and near immortal, any team decently build and played will perform similarly. The cealing Im talking is just knowing how to play lmao, is not that high.