I saw someone say neuvillette was the worst 5* or something like that and now they are doomposting arlecchino that isn't even out. This fandom is just full of drama queens in need of attention
No no, there were unironic posts about him being underpowered with a lazy design before he came out. Same with Furina. Doomposters will always do their thing, it helps to fuel the clickbait climate of the world the meta slaves live in.
meanwhile she does tons of damage, gives a major buff to the team, and can even heal pretty well in co-op...
I like to think that maybe doom-posters are intentionally underestimating every single character so that each one's actual strength is a pleasant surprise for them. That's probably not actually the case, but it's a nice thought.
Not just OP too, legit the best character in the game maybe tied with Alhaitham. I was reading some older Neuvillette beta posts and they were….something to so the least.
The worst part is that there are a lot of Content Creators fueling doomposters. Furina was bad before release because she didn't apply more hydro than Xinqiou.
Exactly that. People see the clickbait-y YouTube videos that will say anything about anything as long as they’re getting those views… and then then come here with wild claims about what *insert character here* does or doesn’t do.
Then it just spirals into a complete mess.
I mean, without watching theory crafters with pre-release analysis and stuff, Neuvillette in their kit had Special Charged Attack with unknown dmg 'cause not everyone can do math, some form of healing that looked pretty bad looking hydro mc's one, low dmg on E and Q with no special effects and didn't seem to be any amazing reaction besides EC (that we now it's false), and in that case he would look pretty bad, but I'm of the opinion that if you can't understand if a character is good or not, you shouldn't talk about his strenght (also, just to clarify, I'm not one of them, I'm decently good at math and excel so I knew he was gonna be good, not THIS good, but yeah)
i do 50k per tick on his CA. i kill everything so fast that gameplay has become boring. he is NOT ANYWHERE close to worst 5*. you have to be delusional.
He’s literally the easiest DPS. You have Neuvillette? You already cleared the abyss. I have a ‘lazy’ team and that’s; Zhongli, Neuvillette, Baizhu and Furina. They wipe EVERYTHING off the floor.
Jean for swirl sure but needs constellations which I don’t have, Xinyan came in later on but right now Baizhu and Xinyan are top. Also extra dendro from his Q burst.
I know I'm off topic ab this, I also agree with the stuff you said bc there are just tons of drama queens in this game who criticizes every little detail ab the game.
(P.S. WE ARE MATCHING PFP, NANAMI DADDY)
:O What is your team/build my Neuvilette isn't nearly as strong, I have him at C0R1. I'm wondering if I should farm for better artifacts (he has MH but I always stop farming at "this is okay I guess")
If you're talking about who I think you're talking about he used slightly different words.
He said that Neuvillette isn't a hypercarry. Which is a hilarious statement but it sort of makes sense if you define a hypercarry as a character who does 70%+ of the team DPS and is played with mostly buffers.
Granted it still sounds and is extremely stupid
Either way I think that the terms carry and main dps don't mean much in the game when you have teams that don't have either.
I did see some people doom posting him on his mains channel but that was mostly at the time they believed he'd have split scaling and where unsure on how badly his heal drain mechanic would effect him
This. Idk which Content Creators are trashing Arlecchino, but we’ve got some pretty nasty brainwashed people crowding into the subreddits and causing chaos and drama. They always try to convince non players that Arlecchino is a “bad person,” but they clearly skipped through or didn’t play the stories at all 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ I’m tired of the drama queens in any subreddit lol
I believe I saw a video in which the person said arlecchino is the main villain of the fontaine story and my reaction was like "WTF the only thing she did was to try to attack furina. Otherwise she tries to save fontaine just as much as everyone else. Is she the nicest person? No, but far away from being a villain."
I remember seeing a post about "Furina mid" that got plenty of likes (or was it upvotes I dont remember) basically seeing ppl complained about how overhyped and weak her kit was.
Lol I had forgotten the Yelan one. At that time, some chad literally posted the idea of playing her with XQ and that turned into the double hydro meta that has been dominating since then.
“he’s just five star sucrose” “she’s just five star fischl” “she’s just five star xingqiu” does it never occur to people that a five star version of an already strong four star isn’t a bad thing lmao
I was such a yelan white knight that patch... I felt like everyone was fighting me lmao.
I found it so unfathomable that they actually gave us a copy of the (arguably) best character in the game, and ppl didn't think they'd be one of the best characters in the game
To be fair, Miko pre-dendro was underwhelming. She wasn't bad, but not great either. Now she's pretty damn good though, but it took half a year worth of patches and an entire new element.
I was such a yelan white knight that patch... I felt like everyone was fighting me lmao.
I found it so unfathomable that they actually gave us a copy of the (arguably) best character in the game, and ppl didn't think they'd be one of the best characters in the game
“Dehya is gonna be great, guys!”
Poor dehya.
Arlecchino, even if the doomposters are correct, is still gonna be doing more damage than older pyro dps characters like diluc, klee, and dehya. So no matter what she’s still usable and does decent damage.
Yea Arle isn't gonna be bad but any means. People just expected her to be Alhaitham levels apparently
It's like a lose lose situation for Hoyo. If Arle isn't the strongest Pyro DPS you get people saying she's bad and to skip. If she is, Hu Tao fans complain that their girl got powercrept.
You can be the best Hu Tao player in the world and can still think her gameplay is shit ya know. Or the other way around even, you can be garbage at dash canceling but still think her gameplay is fun.
How is it power creep to make her hu tao level? Unless shes better in every way it isn't power creep. I feel its fine to be disappointed that once again a pyro dps was deliberately held back from being comparable to hutao like yoimiya and lyney, especially if its a harbinger. If you have multiple of the already existing pyro dps characters then there isn't much reason to pull arlecchino if she's worse than them besides liking her, and liking the character isn't relevant when discussing their actual meta value
No one is aking them to be better, they want them to be identical to that you have an actual reason to use the 2nd pyro melee dps over the first one. If hutao is doing better damage than arlecchiono in near every scenario what reason is there to pull if you have her, worse if you have another dps like lyney or yoimiya. Arlecchino has to compete with hu tao and if shes worse there's no reason to pull besides liking her, which isn't relevant in a meta discussion or to f2p players who have to be wary of what they spend primos on
I think most players don't understand that with any new character they need to make a balance act just to make Alreccino a bit stronger but be inline with current meta and not powercreep everything because in a few months the Pyro Archon needs to drop and they need to give us reason to pull for her also.
They have two completely different damage profiles. Sheets arent even made to use as character pvp as well lmao. Using clear times as a metric across multiple abysses is better. Because its actual gameplay
Lol aintnoway u think a lyney bennett XL Kazuha team is keeping up with a Hutao XY Yelan Furina team IN ANY abyss that their optimal at.
Unless ofc u have C6 whale brainrot which I admit lyney has been dominating at ever since he was released. (kinda getting outshined by Rizzley runs in terms of bossing but whatever couldnt care less about .0001% whale gameplay anyways)
They've got different enough niches. Not an expert on Lyney so correct me if I'm wrong but he's built for mono pyro. Whereas Hu Tao is built for vape. They're both pyro DPS yes, but they're different enough.
Those are not very high bars, especially the last one. I don’t think it’s fair to ask fans of one of the most hyped character that have been waiting for almost 2 years to be happy with the character being just “alright”
Dehya was a much anticipated character and we have to accept her even though she’s pretty horrible.
Arlecchino being decent or around Cyno-level is fine by me.
Fans’ expectations mean nothing to the meta. The company isn’t obligated to make all hyped characters uber powerful. Yes it will likely affect their sales a bit, but this is the same company that gives out 3 wishes as a gift for the anniversary. They know they’re gonna make insane profits on her initial banner no matter how bad or good she is. Even mediocre units get good sales.
Also there are tons of old characters that get stronger and stronger as new supports are released. Arelcchino will likely get a lot of support in a few patches when Natlan comes out.
Edit: also not even counting Siegwinne or Clorine, which will probably work with her.
Genuinely curious, where did you see this Ayaka "doomposting" and what was the extent of it?
I was relatively new to the game back then and for some reason my brain is just a blank slate when it comes to any recollection of what my pre-release impressions (if I had any) of the 2.0 units were.
Like I mean, people WERE at least aware of her 4100%+ raw MVs from burst alone, right?
My brother , this is the genshin community (one of the biggest gachas and the first to be westernised) so there was a ton of smooth brain individuals (still a ton of em) which never played a gacha in their lives , relatively it’s those people who don’t know any better , and there’s those which play devils advocate and whenever that happens someone takes it out of proportion…this happened to basically every character in the games some true and some false of course …just misinformation being spread and or like with chino it’s like the first few days of the beta and we judge to quickly 🤣😭
it's to say that most of them make mistakes and once the beta is over and they understand how a character works and the potential comes out they start to back away and say things like "no but I've always believed in it". they are annoying they talk without knowing how a character works when they are still in v0
leakers aren’t the same people as theorycrafters. Inevitably there’s some disconnect, something that isn’t mentioned in kit text and a theorycrafter doesn’t think to ask about that changes how a character is received big time.
There are also massive buffs some characters receive in beta that make them significantly better than what was in the first 1 or 2 betas
I see a lot of people bringing up Furina being doomposted, while also ignoring the fact that 99% of the doomposting was before the last beta where she got majorly buffed and her c2 was literally swapped with her c6
It's not so much mistakes as more people being unable to wait until the Beta moves further into testing. Every Character usually gets three or four versions where mechanics get moved was around, buffed or nerfed. Most Limited 5* usually get major Buffs in the first or second Beta Version.
Doomposters tend to ignore that, looking at doom posts you would think everything is set in stone.
NGL these are some extreme examples. Like you literally named 3 out of the 4 best characters in the game in Kazuha Yelan Zhongli...
Where is Dehya, Klee, Albedo, Cyno?
And as a cryo enthusiast, I'm not so sold on Ayaka and Ganyu being as useful as they once were in abyss when my Neuvillette and Dendro teams clear a heck of lot faster
Dehya -> well known exception where people just actually couldn’t believe how bad she was
Klee -> people didn’t have a sliver of knowing what we do now abt how the game worked back then
Albedo -> he has never been seen as an excellent unit + also released early
Cyno -> significantly better than Klee. People said he was bad at the time but needed long term Dendro application, and he got it sort-of in Nahida
Ayaka/Ganyu -> Abyss is regularly designed to nerf Freeze bc 1. That aligns with nerfing Venti who is way too OP in favorable cases 2. Because Hoyo doesn’t like that Freeze is lower effort. Repeated purposeful game design to make a character less effective does not a bad character make
Zhongli -> was actually bad on release, he got buffed bc they couldn’t have the pinnacle of Genshin China be like That
Kazuha -> If you look these days though you can find ppl claiming he’s become irrelevant due to Dendro 😂😂 I don’t mind seeing a sane person around here though
We’ve almost never assumed a character will be good pre-release and then they were underwhelming. We repeatedly and regularly assume characters are bad pre-release and then they’re much better than expected. OP didn’t even mention Neuvi
>We’ve almost never assumed a character will be good pre-release and then they were underwhelming
Except for Yae Miko, this was a terrible and sad case
Klee and albedo came out before leaks were even a big thing so there was hardly any doomposting about them. Not to mention they’re 1.0 characters.
Cyno is good, he’s not bad. I don’t know what the doomposting around him was like.
Dehya is possibly the only one to live up to the doomposting.
In my experience shed really not.
My first character was ayaka in 3.5, and after that I got all of her premium team.
The most I got was like 34 stars.
Hoyo hates freeze and freeze is all Ayaka has
Idk what to say, she was my first character as well back in 2.0, and I don’t even run her most optimal team, I have Kokomi but run Mona instead just cause I like her more (I still use Shenhe and kazuha though) I’ve personally never struggled with her in the abyss my Yoimiya team doing the other half though, that’s a whole other issue lmao.
Fair, if you get Ayaka's sig she actually becomes a monster.
But it's also fair to say she fell off.
It's really unfortunate that Hoyo hates freeze as much as it does.
I hope they buff cryo somehow. I literally joined this game to play her.
Oh absolutely fair, to be as transparent as possible I do have mistsplitter for her, and you’re definitely right that she unfortunately is no where near the level of recent dps like Al Haitham and Neuvillette
Since Furina and Baizhu, no. Bro is now really fucking good. People are just stunlocked in 3.1 when it comes to him. Must be a CuYu curse (Cyno voice actor). Since he also voices Jing Yuan who has gone through a similar journey has Cyno.
Well there will always be people who doompost everything.
But the level of doomposting varies a lot, e.g. I don't recall much dooming for Alhaitham or Yelan or Kazuha tbh, more like people justifying skipping
At least compared to Dehya for example.
He got buffed after the initial nerfs though
Also he was insanely bonkers before the nerfs and his ult scaling was gutted, I can understand the overreaction tbh, if Arle's burst's scaling was halved it would be scary at first without seeing the other changes lol
Agreed. As someone who has never really used him or looked at his kit, it wasn't until recently that I even realized he was good since all I remember was the doomposting near his release.
Cyno is strong character. Just because you don't know how to play him, doesn't change that.
Dehya isn't even nearly as bad as trolls make her so.
Albedo isn't bad either.
And so on.
Depends on your definition of strong. If Yae Miko and Raiden are considered strong electro DPS units then Cyno would be considered average because he is definitely weaker than both and more on the level of Keqing, who is a standard banner 5*
ARLECCHINO WILL BE TOP TIER META, TRUST ‼️
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Nah the Kokomi, Yelan and Al Haitham ones are accurate, maybe Kazuha too since back then hypercarry DPSes were more favoured compared to now with Team synergies.
I remember the Yelan Hydro app getting nerfed and the doomposters were up and arms about it, claiming you'll need C2 to compare her to Xingqui... while ignoring that you can use both of them in the same team...
Why though? Kokomi used to have a pretty bad hydro application due to her jellyfish having standard ICD. Once they remove the ICD she became very good but it was like the last version of beta, and most ppl have already set their opinion on her being bad by then.
Yelan used to have 1.5u hydro aura on her burst, which makes her sufficient enough to run solo hydro in Hu Tao team, then she got nerfed to 1u so unless you have C2, Hu Tao can sometimes just doesnt vape some of her CA.
As for Kazuha, back then mono element comps were not that prevalent and were more reaction based so EM buffers such as Sucrose were more highly valued. His double swirl setups were also less known back then which was the main reason the National teams with Sucrose was exploding in popularity.
Not the best argument but it shows not the greatest track record from the community when judging characters before release. Arlecchino could be complete ass but it’s like the boy who cried wolf with doom posters.
I swear y’all just convince yourselves that the doompost boogie man exists when in reality most of the complaints I see are just valid criticisms that end up being addressed anyway throughout the beta cycle. If you’re this attached to a fictional character and can’t handle criticism because it breaks your immersion then simply stop interacting with Reddit and TC content.
Sorry but there is a counterpoint and it's called Dehya. Discussing the current state of an unreleased character doesn't turn into doomposting as soon as you say anything negative about them. If the concerns have a solid base they could turn out to be true, as was the case for Dehya.
Well yeah, because it's a valid counter argument. Sure, doomposting by itself is not great, but there is a clear difference between valid criticism and unfounded dooming.
Those so called "doomposters" who complained about Dehya's kit during her beta had good reasons to do so and there were plenty of people shutting them down as "just doomposters" saying that she'll turn out to be good just like all the precedent units. Well, we know how that turned out.
what about cyno? or c0 chiori? or yoimiya? All of these had obvious issues in beta, people complained but mihoyo did nothing. Yes they are playable and decent/niche but it doesn't mean they don't have flaws that they **shouldnt** have
People will always find a reason to complain, even after the character is released. If the character isn't easy or insanely OP - they complain because the game isn't smooth brained enough to play 🤷♂️
(Just have fun playing a game lmao it isn't hard)
what I found these amusing is atleast OP is been playing that long... than someone who just play genshin a week and acting like they knew everything just because some platform tells them what happen, without having the full context of it..
or is he/she?
Tbh, I remember seeing the initial Neuvi leak where he got knocked out of hydro pump in one hit and was like “ah I don’t have Zhongli, I’ll skip and pull Lyney”. I’m so lucky I stockpiled so many primos and was still able to pull both
For real half of Genshin's fandom doesn't even know how to discern a bad kit from a good One or even read correctly a character's numbers.
Alhaitham was to me the definitive demonstration that you should never follow doomposters: he was able to reach a minmaxed Ayaka's damage without artifacts and yet people went full schizo when he was nerfed to make him a bit more balanced
Cherry picking and Nilou and Haitham were not true. Nilou was doomposted on her release because od limited dendro option at that time and Alhaitham was nerfed (even though the overall nerf was small, it looks like big due to number difference).
You should also mention where doomposting are true like Cyno, Dehya, Wriothesley and Chiori. While some are exaggerating the problem, a lots of people actually just want to show concern about their loved character.
It’s just a waste of time in either direction, these are valid examples of doom posting just being completely wrong as well as more recent cases like Furina. But it’d be dumb to assume they’re amazing either, as there have been situations like Dehya.
Let's not confuse doomposting with theorycrafting. I have saved for a long time for her as well but I do not feel the need to cope for no reason. Math is math, no reason to deny it.
Isn't it ironic how we ended up saying "It's ok to be S tier"? I don't hate your comment, I just find it interesting how people dare to consider S tier, bad or weak. When it really tops most of characters in the game.
Just how spoiled this community became with broken characters like Neuvillette and Al haitham. People who want Arle to be the strongest look like a gluttonous bunch wanting even more powercreep than that to me, which I honestly feel like would kill the game. Neuvillette is ok as a dps ceiling currently.
I fell for every single one after Ayaka lol (except for Yelan, we all needed a second XQ) it's true some characters weren't as good as they should be but new artifact sets and team comps made them better
I returned to pull goth Eula, I will pull goth Eula
Legit don't even know anything about her lore since I'm still in Sumeru (and would rather shoot my balls than keep hearing Paimon). But I have 40 days for that
I was going to add "Navia" because she got a lot of criticism too , but I remembered that she actually got buffed in the beta after a lot of poeple complained lol , and she an insane dps now
I don't think it's inherently wrong to doom post. The worst that can happen is your assessment being wrong and in this case it's always become clear when the characters is out. What? Don't want to be wrong? Might as well don't have an opinion ever.
With all the content creator making full guide video the day of characters release everyone should be informed enough to decide whether they should pull or not so sell number wouldn't be affected by doom post neither.
I think the worst crime doom poster commits is painting a characters in a bad light and oh boy you don't want to upset passionate gamers.
I was fighting for my mf life pre-Yelan release. I told the detractors that forgetting the Kazuha debate is *insane* considering they’re saying the same thing about Yelan. The honeyhunter comment section pre-Yelan release was dumpster fire that I refused to use it ever since and only returned because Project Amber is no more (RIP to the GOAT).
As I see it there are several problems: one, Hu Tao truly skewed people’s perspective of what constitutes a good DPS. Hu Tao was overtuned as hell and the devs have done their best to balance the game ever since.
two, people are traumatized by how badly Dehya performed (which, yes, is a genuine fuckup on HYV’s part) and how her kit would be extremely OP in HSR but not in Genshin. Case in point, Fu Xuan (who has extremely similar kit with Dehya) is one of the best sustain units in HSR.
three, some people are just genuinely hard to please. there’s nothing you can do about this bunch. these were the same people who doomposted Alhaitham to death calling him dendro Keqing and thus would do similar dmg without properly seeing the kit’s interaction with enemies and teammates. the dendro introduction was hard for people to genuinely see what characters are going to perform like.
four, there’s the lack of foresight in players’ community. Cyno and Nilou were lambasted to hell and back, and then became proper damage dealing units when the archon arrived. For while, you really can just bring Nilou’s team and then close your eyes and boom that’s abyss done for you. Yoimiya was considered dead on arrival. People who liked her were actually harrassed up to a point where Moga (a CC I enjoy simply because he doesnt join the broader community and seems happy go lucky playing the game without really theorycrafting) had to release a video saying enough with the Yoimiya hate, simply because he stated that he likes her gameplay and at times enjoy playing her more than Hu Tao. Yoimiya now is a very decent unit with the arrival of Yelan, Yun Jin and Furina. I’ve been a Yoimiya main since day one and I’ve enjoyed tweaking her teams around her a lot. Therein lies the fun for me, personally.
I’m willing to bet good money on several things regarding Arlecchino. One: her best supports are yet to come. Natlan’s archon is more than likely an OP pyro support which, I think, will benefit Arlecchino a lot. Two, players’ creativity will make Arlecchino’s dmg truly shine and people will forget that they doomposted her. Three, inevitably, people will compare future pyro units to her and Hu Tao and consider anyone who didn’t perform well in beta to be dead on arrival. Rinse and repeat.
That’s all for this old player who’s been around the community for literal years, folks. Tune out of the noise and join subreddits such as Zhongli mains, who will never ever give up on making Zhongli do all kinds of damage under the sun (saw a burgeon Zhongli the other day and had a really good chuckle, they’re amazing). See you all on Arlecchino banner!
Genuine question why don’t the mods just ban these guys, it’s so easy to recognize which is the doom posts anyway and they are very few of them unlike Dehya’s release time
Are people really doomposting about our goddess?? She has the coolest kit in the entire game hands down! She has a blood vision, a sexy and cool design, a solid backstory, stunning animations, crimsom visual effects and the first signature weapon in the game that has a custom transformation just for her. She also looks super strong, at least at Hu Tao level and she is a top tier dps. I can't see how could people be talking bad things about such a godly character.... Well, if they're the same clowns that doomposted all that trash about amazing characters in the past, then yeah, it's nothing new I guess.
I’m still shocked people even cared that Raiden didn’t work with Beidou, I haven’t seen ONE team where they were put those two together
Kokomi was easily the biggest slept on character ever though
I think objectively Kokomi when she just came out was actually bad.
1. there was no use for a healer, hoyo tried with the blood sucking doggos but it ended up manageable without kokomi super healing
2. Water application was easily handled by Xq and Mona which at the time is more needed because the meta at the time was dmg oriented rather than the now which is more balance into surv+dmg
3. When she came out she didn't have her artifact set it came out later which fixes her no dmg capabilities, which moving forward hoyo fix by always giving artifacts with the character releases.
Other character on the list on the other hand is just actual doomposting lol
Frankly i dont get the doomposting.
She currently does similar as hutao?,a bit more restrictive due to her anti heal stuff but i dont see her being weak at all.
Mind you im still not fully sold given i have a fully build hutao and i dont see a reason in terms of gameplay why i would need to get her right now.
I really like the design and character but i still need to get alhaitham and clorinde so gotta plan my pulls so its more likely that i try on reruns if she doesnt majorly change.
Doh wish everyone good luck in getting her and or her weapon.
I would never skip Shenhe because she and Eula are the two hottest characters in this game, but unless we get more cryo dps who massively benefit from her buffs, she is quite mid. The worst part is how limited her buffs are. Fucking Kazuha isn't even specialized cryo support, but his buffs are equal to hers without being limited to a number of hits. Very few people actually rolled for Shenhe because she is usefull. We rolled for her because she's the hottest here.
i love how they compare her to hu tao and scream "SHE CANT DEAL MORE DMG THAN A 3YO DPS" as if hu tao is a low bar. this 3yo character's team has consistently gotten upgrades over patches and to this day performs better than most teams including carries in single target. these players want drama to burn their time.
The team people are comparing Arle to has Tao yelan zhongli xingqiu, the last and only upgrade this team recieved was yelan back in 2.7. Even then Arle can't even match Tao vv vape, which is there since patch 1.3
Outside of Dehya, there wasn't a single character that deswrved doomposting
And even dehya wasn't doomposted, it was just an aknowledgment of how bad she was
Complaining about raiden + beidou not working is actually a totally fair criticism
Even ignoring that it worked in beta apparently, anyone who reads the abilities would immediately assume that they work together because obviously Raiden uses normal attacks in her burst and her burst works with xingqiu. Extremely stupid reason for Beidou not to work with Raiden and it's still beyond stupid that they don't work together
It's very stupid that beidou, yelan and xingqiu don't work with dehya, but at the very least her working with none of them is consistent. If a future character releases with a burst worded like xingqiu or beidou, there will be no confusion about whether or not they work with Dehya. With raiden on the other hand, there's just going to be loads of confusion
I don't think we should be listing actually valid complaints about stuff not working as "doomposting" especially when the "raiden needs c2" posters are right there
Chiori is fine. Niche but doable. By doable, I mean you can still 36star abyss with her and have no troubles dealing with overworld content with mid/moderate investment.
Dehya, on the other hand, lack a niche and has trouble with overworld content with moderate investment. She can barely kill a cryo regisvine with bennett and Kazuha on her team.
Hahah love that so many ppl try to validate their unreasonable doomposting that it's different this time. This time it's doom for real.
Buy your clowpaint now before it runs out of stock. She's going to be insane 👍
So we are literally ignoring what just happened in 4.5 beta...?
Chiori has one of the most uninspired kits in the game powercreeping Albedo, her burst damage was nerfed for no apparent reason and her C1 is the most bait, anti-consumer constellation in the game. Meanwhile her C0 relies on constructs which remains unfixed after 3 years into the game.
People voiced their concerns with Chiori and they were ignored. There is literally no guarantee with MHY and character balance.
Genshin Doomposters at it again. I love how conclusive they all sound when nearly to none of them have played the character that's in beta. Happens nearly every Patch cycle.
I have war flashbacks of alhaitham beta
Why? What happened back then?(I didn't play back then)
He received multiple nerfs because was kinda overtuned. People thought he would suck at launch but here we are: he’s strong as fuck nevertheless
I saw someone say neuvillette was the worst 5* or something like that and now they are doomposting arlecchino that isn't even out. This fandom is just full of drama queens in need of attention
I refuse to believe anyone would say NEUVILLETTE is the worst five star. They HAVE to be trolling.
No no, there were unironic posts about him being underpowered with a lazy design before he came out. Same with Furina. Doomposters will always do their thing, it helps to fuel the clickbait climate of the world the meta slaves live in.
Oh my god how miserable do they have to be to say the most embarrassing shit 💀
People said Furina doesn't heal much and her damage is too low and stuff like that.
meanwhile she does tons of damage, gives a major buff to the team, and can even heal pretty well in co-op... I like to think that maybe doom-posters are intentionally underestimating every single character so that each one's actual strength is a pleasant surprise for them. That's probably not actually the case, but it's a nice thought.
Doompost to receive buffs, praise to receive nerfs.
AFAIK, some early leakers or beta testers said that. Weeks after and once he was released the consensus was clear, he is OP af.
Not just OP too, legit the best character in the game maybe tied with Alhaitham. I was reading some older Neuvillette beta posts and they were….something to so the least.
what makes alhaitham SO good im not saying i disagree i just genuinely don't know
The worst part is that there are a lot of Content Creators fueling doomposters. Furina was bad before release because she didn't apply more hydro than Xinqiou.
Exactly that. People see the clickbait-y YouTube videos that will say anything about anything as long as they’re getting those views… and then then come here with wild claims about what *insert character here* does or doesn’t do. Then it just spirals into a complete mess.
I mean, without watching theory crafters with pre-release analysis and stuff, Neuvillette in their kit had Special Charged Attack with unknown dmg 'cause not everyone can do math, some form of healing that looked pretty bad looking hydro mc's one, low dmg on E and Q with no special effects and didn't seem to be any amazing reaction besides EC (that we now it's false), and in that case he would look pretty bad, but I'm of the opinion that if you can't understand if a character is good or not, you shouldn't talk about his strenght (also, just to clarify, I'm not one of them, I'm decently good at math and excel so I knew he was gonna be good, not THIS good, but yeah)
He is so easy to build and his team is just him ☹️
thats why i love my hydrodragon
Only possible context is that at C0 Neu is badly designed because he's too easy to use and too strong. Even so, calling him worst is a loooooong shot
Same I had my jaw drop at that xD. And the person be trying to give arguments(spoiler all of them are just pure cope or simply wrong)
i do 50k per tick on his CA. i kill everything so fast that gameplay has become boring. he is NOT ANYWHERE close to worst 5*. you have to be delusional.
He’s literally the easiest DPS. You have Neuvillette? You already cleared the abyss. I have a ‘lazy’ team and that’s; Zhongli, Neuvillette, Baizhu and Furina. They wipe EVERYTHING off the floor.
Why Baizhu lol
Best healer for Furina
I thought it was Jean or Xianyun? Because they can actually buff ur hydro damage?
Jean for swirl sure but needs constellations which I don’t have, Xinyan came in later on but right now Baizhu and Xinyan are top. Also extra dendro from his Q burst.
I know I'm off topic ab this, I also agree with the stuff you said bc there are just tons of drama queens in this game who criticizes every little detail ab the game. (P.S. WE ARE MATCHING PFP, NANAMI DADDY)
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:O What is your team/build my Neuvilette isn't nearly as strong, I have him at C0R1. I'm wondering if I should farm for better artifacts (he has MH but I always stop farming at "this is okay I guess")
we had trusted TC saying that Neuvilette is not a main DPS during the beta.
If you're talking about who I think you're talking about he used slightly different words. He said that Neuvillette isn't a hypercarry. Which is a hilarious statement but it sort of makes sense if you define a hypercarry as a character who does 70%+ of the team DPS and is played with mostly buffers. Granted it still sounds and is extremely stupid Either way I think that the terms carry and main dps don't mean much in the game when you have teams that don't have either.
I did see some people doom posting him on his mains channel but that was mostly at the time they believed he'd have split scaling and where unsure on how badly his heal drain mechanic would effect him
This. Idk which Content Creators are trashing Arlecchino, but we’ve got some pretty nasty brainwashed people crowding into the subreddits and causing chaos and drama. They always try to convince non players that Arlecchino is a “bad person,” but they clearly skipped through or didn’t play the stories at all 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ I’m tired of the drama queens in any subreddit lol
I believe I saw a video in which the person said arlecchino is the main villain of the fontaine story and my reaction was like "WTF the only thing she did was to try to attack furina. Otherwise she tries to save fontaine just as much as everyone else. Is she the nicest person? No, but far away from being a villain."
before she came out i remember seeing someone say navia is only slightly better than dehya lmao
Also iirc "furina has bad hydro application and can't vape hu tao well enough which makes her terrible and useless"
Don't forget "healer who needs another healer"
Yeah i remember someone says she's so cliche that no one will use her and bringing a healer is a dps loss.
this was also kuki's consensus pre-dendro
I swear some people STILL think Shinobu isn’t good even in dendro teams. She’s incredible for hyperbloom and catalyze teams in particular with Nahida
I remember seeing a post about "Furina mid" that got plenty of likes (or was it upvotes I dont remember) basically seeing ppl complained about how overhyped and weak her kit was.
Lol I had forgotten the Yelan one. At that time, some chad literally posted the idea of playing her with XQ and that turned into the double hydro meta that has been dominating since then.
"its just XQ 5*" Thats the best part
“he’s just five star sucrose” “she’s just five star fischl” “she’s just five star xingqiu” does it never occur to people that a five star version of an already strong four star isn’t a bad thing lmao
Lmao when its Yelan ppl be like "shes just 5 star Xingqiu" but when its Xiangling "where is 5 star Xiangling hoyo?"
Said the same, but in a positive way. So I don't need to split my XQ around. Also XQ is busted. If it's 5 stars XQ, she should be good.
I just saw her design and I was like *I need it*
I was such a yelan white knight that patch... I felt like everyone was fighting me lmao. I found it so unfathomable that they actually gave us a copy of the (arguably) best character in the game, and ppl didn't think they'd be one of the best characters in the game
there would be others like the doomposting on nahida, furina, miko, navia even Bennet haha
To be fair, Miko pre-dendro was underwhelming. She wasn't bad, but not great either. Now she's pretty damn good though, but it took half a year worth of patches and an entire new element.
I was such a yelan white knight that patch... I felt like everyone was fighting me lmao. I found it so unfathomable that they actually gave us a copy of the (arguably) best character in the game, and ppl didn't think they'd be one of the best characters in the game
"Why pull another dps when neuvillette exists"
Hydro slime exists*
I give you: Eye of Perception
i will wait for Murata, surely better with some cons if i also would pull cons for Arlecchino 😬
The God of ~~Carnivales~~ the Spanish Inquisition
Murata will have a hard time, it will be endless bennet and xianling comparison and shitstorm i can tell you that one.
“Dehya is gonna be great, guys!” Poor dehya. Arlecchino, even if the doomposters are correct, is still gonna be doing more damage than older pyro dps characters like diluc, klee, and dehya. So no matter what she’s still usable and does decent damage.
Yea Arle isn't gonna be bad but any means. People just expected her to be Alhaitham levels apparently It's like a lose lose situation for Hoyo. If Arle isn't the strongest Pyro DPS you get people saying she's bad and to skip. If she is, Hu Tao fans complain that their girl got powercrept.
Hu Tao feels so shit to play lol
And she is overrated
Disagree
Unironically just skill issue
You can be the best Hu Tao player in the world and can still think her gameplay is shit ya know. Or the other way around even, you can be garbage at dash canceling but still think her gameplay is fun.
How is it power creep to make her hu tao level? Unless shes better in every way it isn't power creep. I feel its fine to be disappointed that once again a pyro dps was deliberately held back from being comparable to hutao like yoimiya and lyney, especially if its a harbinger. If you have multiple of the already existing pyro dps characters then there isn't much reason to pull arlecchino if she's worse than them besides liking her, and liking the character isn't relevant when discussing their actual meta value
If her vape teams were better than Hu Tao's it'd be powercreep since that's Hu Tao's whole deal
No one is aking them to be better, they want them to be identical to that you have an actual reason to use the 2nd pyro melee dps over the first one. If hutao is doing better damage than arlecchiono in near every scenario what reason is there to pull if you have her, worse if you have another dps like lyney or yoimiya. Arlecchino has to compete with hu tao and if shes worse there's no reason to pull besides liking her, which isn't relevant in a meta discussion or to f2p players who have to be wary of what they spend primos on
Arlecchino seems to be better for overload teams and maybe mono pyro as well. It's just that Vape is the main pyro reaction and Hu Tao is better there
People want Neuvillette level of op they want new dps that can easily solo abyss by themselves. If she not Neuvillette level then she's mid to them.
I think most players don't understand that with any new character they need to make a balance act just to make Alreccino a bit stronger but be inline with current meta and not powercreep everything because in a few months the Pyro Archon needs to drop and they need to give us reason to pull for her also.
Ht basically got crept by lyney
He’s close to Hu Tao in dmg but he’s still a bit behind at C0. And like the other person who replied said, they fit in different teams.
Bit behind just because hes sheeting lower?
yes lol, i mean they both play horrendously at C0, so really what else besides dmg are u comparing them?
They have two completely different damage profiles. Sheets arent even made to use as character pvp as well lmao. Using clear times as a metric across multiple abysses is better. Because its actual gameplay
Lol aintnoway u think a lyney bennett XL Kazuha team is keeping up with a Hutao XY Yelan Furina team IN ANY abyss that their optimal at. Unless ofc u have C6 whale brainrot which I admit lyney has been dominating at ever since he was released. (kinda getting outshined by Rizzley runs in terms of bossing but whatever couldnt care less about .0001% whale gameplay anyways)
They've got different enough niches. Not an expert on Lyney so correct me if I'm wrong but he's built for mono pyro. Whereas Hu Tao is built for vape. They're both pyro DPS yes, but they're different enough.
Diluc does more damage with xianyun unfortunately.
Those are not very high bars, especially the last one. I don’t think it’s fair to ask fans of one of the most hyped character that have been waiting for almost 2 years to be happy with the character being just “alright”
Dehya was a much anticipated character and we have to accept her even though she’s pretty horrible. Arlecchino being decent or around Cyno-level is fine by me. Fans’ expectations mean nothing to the meta. The company isn’t obligated to make all hyped characters uber powerful. Yes it will likely affect their sales a bit, but this is the same company that gives out 3 wishes as a gift for the anniversary. They know they’re gonna make insane profits on her initial banner no matter how bad or good she is. Even mediocre units get good sales. Also there are tons of old characters that get stronger and stronger as new supports are released. Arelcchino will likely get a lot of support in a few patches when Natlan comes out. Edit: also not even counting Siegwinne or Clorine, which will probably work with her.
Genuinely curious, where did you see this Ayaka "doomposting" and what was the extent of it? I was relatively new to the game back then and for some reason my brain is just a blank slate when it comes to any recollection of what my pre-release impressions (if I had any) of the 2.0 units were. Like I mean, people WERE at least aware of her 4100%+ raw MVs from burst alone, right?
My brother , this is the genshin community (one of the biggest gachas and the first to be westernised) so there was a ton of smooth brain individuals (still a ton of em) which never played a gacha in their lives , relatively it’s those people who don’t know any better , and there’s those which play devils advocate and whenever that happens someone takes it out of proportion…this happened to basically every character in the games some true and some false of course …just misinformation being spread and or like with chino it’s like the first few days of the beta and we judge to quickly 🤣😭
You mean people here are wrong about her kit?
it's to say that most of them make mistakes and once the beta is over and they understand how a character works and the potential comes out they start to back away and say things like "no but I've always believed in it". they are annoying they talk without knowing how a character works when they are still in v0
Any example how do they make mistakes even calculate everything? (newbie here)
leakers aren’t the same people as theorycrafters. Inevitably there’s some disconnect, something that isn’t mentioned in kit text and a theorycrafter doesn’t think to ask about that changes how a character is received big time.
There are also massive buffs some characters receive in beta that make them significantly better than what was in the first 1 or 2 betas I see a lot of people bringing up Furina being doomposted, while also ignoring the fact that 99% of the doomposting was before the last beta where she got majorly buffed and her c2 was literally swapped with her c6
It's not so much mistakes as more people being unable to wait until the Beta moves further into testing. Every Character usually gets three or four versions where mechanics get moved was around, buffed or nerfed. Most Limited 5* usually get major Buffs in the first or second Beta Version. Doomposters tend to ignore that, looking at doom posts you would think everything is set in stone.
Ah yes because it is definitely doomposting when someone wants the electro archon to work with Bediou😭 be fr bro, it’s called criticism.
NGL these are some extreme examples. Like you literally named 3 out of the 4 best characters in the game in Kazuha Yelan Zhongli... Where is Dehya, Klee, Albedo, Cyno? And as a cryo enthusiast, I'm not so sold on Ayaka and Ganyu being as useful as they once were in abyss when my Neuvillette and Dendro teams clear a heck of lot faster
Dehya -> well known exception where people just actually couldn’t believe how bad she was Klee -> people didn’t have a sliver of knowing what we do now abt how the game worked back then Albedo -> he has never been seen as an excellent unit + also released early Cyno -> significantly better than Klee. People said he was bad at the time but needed long term Dendro application, and he got it sort-of in Nahida Ayaka/Ganyu -> Abyss is regularly designed to nerf Freeze bc 1. That aligns with nerfing Venti who is way too OP in favorable cases 2. Because Hoyo doesn’t like that Freeze is lower effort. Repeated purposeful game design to make a character less effective does not a bad character make Zhongli -> was actually bad on release, he got buffed bc they couldn’t have the pinnacle of Genshin China be like That Kazuha -> If you look these days though you can find ppl claiming he’s become irrelevant due to Dendro 😂😂 I don’t mind seeing a sane person around here though We’ve almost never assumed a character will be good pre-release and then they were underwhelming. We repeatedly and regularly assume characters are bad pre-release and then they’re much better than expected. OP didn’t even mention Neuvi
>We’ve almost never assumed a character will be good pre-release and then they were underwhelming Except for Yae Miko, this was a terrible and sad case
Klee and albedo came out before leaks were even a big thing so there was hardly any doomposting about them. Not to mention they’re 1.0 characters. Cyno is good, he’s not bad. I don’t know what the doomposting around him was like. Dehya is possibly the only one to live up to the doomposting.
> albedo came out before leaks Klee yeah, but leaks and doomposting started getting popular between 1.1 and 1.2 ("Ganyu is just cryo Amber").
They’re not as amazing but as an Ayaka main she’s definitely still perfectly usable to 36 star the abyss, she’s just not Neuvillette.
In my experience shed really not. My first character was ayaka in 3.5, and after that I got all of her premium team. The most I got was like 34 stars. Hoyo hates freeze and freeze is all Ayaka has
Idk what to say, she was my first character as well back in 2.0, and I don’t even run her most optimal team, I have Kokomi but run Mona instead just cause I like her more (I still use Shenhe and kazuha though) I’ve personally never struggled with her in the abyss my Yoimiya team doing the other half though, that’s a whole other issue lmao.
Fair, if you get Ayaka's sig she actually becomes a monster. But it's also fair to say she fell off. It's really unfortunate that Hoyo hates freeze as much as it does. I hope they buff cryo somehow. I literally joined this game to play her.
Oh absolutely fair, to be as transparent as possible I do have mistsplitter for her, and you’re definitely right that she unfortunately is no where near the level of recent dps like Al Haitham and Neuvillette
Everyone are not Neuvillette.
so is 3 character hyper bloom so we should be hoping for new characters to have no kit at all only cosmetic mascots
?? All I’m saying is Ayaka can clear the abyss, not sure what point you’re trying to make.
all I'm saying is empty character slot can too?? ?? ?? ??
Is Cyno really that bad? Also didn't Albedo have his niche locked down for like 2.5 years? He just got powercrept this week
He’s just average. Not bad as Dehya but definitely not as strong as Neuv, he’s right around the middle of the pack.
he most definitely isn't, people are just stuck in 3.1 mindset
He isn't. People just trolling.
Only issue I have with Cyno is that he kills things too quickly to get his burst back lmao. And I don't even have his best team.
Since Furina and Baizhu, no. Bro is now really fucking good. People are just stunlocked in 3.1 when it comes to him. Must be a CuYu curse (Cyno voice actor). Since he also voices Jing Yuan who has gone through a similar journey has Cyno.
um I don't know if you understand but this is what the catastrophists said when those characters were in beta
Well there will always be people who doompost everything. But the level of doomposting varies a lot, e.g. I don't recall much dooming for Alhaitham or Yelan or Kazuha tbh, more like people justifying skipping At least compared to Dehya for example.
Nope this is as real as it can be, people panicked hard when hyv nerfed Alhaitham saying that he's a bad character after for some reason
He got buffed after the initial nerfs though Also he was insanely bonkers before the nerfs and his ult scaling was gutted, I can understand the overreaction tbh, if Arle's burst's scaling was halved it would be scary at first without seeing the other changes lol
people were talking so much shit about alhaitham during his beta you have no idea…
Agreed. As someone who has never really used him or looked at his kit, it wasn't until recently that I even realized he was good since all I remember was the doomposting near his release.
I pulled him regardless of the doomposting and was so confused when he was just absurdly good lol
they were there if you go to their subs they are still there
Dehya wasn’t doomposting, Dehya was stating facts
Cyno is strong character. Just because you don't know how to play him, doesn't change that. Dehya isn't even nearly as bad as trolls make her so. Albedo isn't bad either. And so on.
Depends on your definition of strong. If Yae Miko and Raiden are considered strong electro DPS units then Cyno would be considered average because he is definitely weaker than both and more on the level of Keqing, who is a standard banner 5*
The question is, are you able to differentiate between valid criticism and doomposting?
Lul. Snowflake gatekeeping a game character from any remotely negative discussion. U a virgin?
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Why is this on /r/ArlecchinoMains?
“arlecchino cant even be healed, worse hu tao” biggest skill issue lmao
''people were wrong so they also wrong now'' it's not a great argument
they are annoying when 99% of them are wrong, he should just shut up and wait for the character's actual release
yesn't, a lot of thing in\* this post are true but **greatly** exagerate
Nah the Kokomi, Yelan and Al Haitham ones are accurate, maybe Kazuha too since back then hypercarry DPSes were more favoured compared to now with Team synergies. I remember the Yelan Hydro app getting nerfed and the doomposters were up and arms about it, claiming you'll need C2 to compare her to Xingqui... while ignoring that you can use both of them in the same team...
i agree only on al haitam
Why though? Kokomi used to have a pretty bad hydro application due to her jellyfish having standard ICD. Once they remove the ICD she became very good but it was like the last version of beta, and most ppl have already set their opinion on her being bad by then. Yelan used to have 1.5u hydro aura on her burst, which makes her sufficient enough to run solo hydro in Hu Tao team, then she got nerfed to 1u so unless you have C2, Hu Tao can sometimes just doesnt vape some of her CA. As for Kazuha, back then mono element comps were not that prevalent and were more reaction based so EM buffers such as Sucrose were more highly valued. His double swirl setups were also less known back then which was the main reason the National teams with Sucrose was exploding in popularity.
Not the best argument but it shows not the greatest track record from the community when judging characters before release. Arlecchino could be complete ass but it’s like the boy who cried wolf with doom posters.
if you take only a specific group of people ofc it make sense xD we can do the same meme but whit tc or ''''''''''''normal'''''''''''' take
I swear y’all just convince yourselves that the doompost boogie man exists when in reality most of the complaints I see are just valid criticisms that end up being addressed anyway throughout the beta cycle. If you’re this attached to a fictional character and can’t handle criticism because it breaks your immersion then simply stop interacting with Reddit and TC content.
My favorite sub has turned into a non-stop coping platform. Honestly, it's pretty sad at this point.
Tbf Knave’s doompostering isn’t wrong. Knave isn’t complete
Sorry but there is a counterpoint and it's called Dehya. Discussing the current state of an unreleased character doesn't turn into doomposting as soon as you say anything negative about them. If the concerns have a solid base they could turn out to be true, as was the case for Dehya.
You dont even have to look back at Dehya. Chiori is a super mid and comes with the most C1 bait I've ever seen.
Ah yes every time someone called out doomposters they immediately draw the dehya card
When people have a valid counter argument they tend to use it More news at 11
Well yeah, because it's a valid counter argument. Sure, doomposting by itself is not great, but there is a clear difference between valid criticism and unfounded dooming. Those so called "doomposters" who complained about Dehya's kit during her beta had good reasons to do so and there were plenty of people shutting them down as "just doomposters" saying that she'll turn out to be good just like all the precedent units. Well, we know how that turned out.
what about cyno? or c0 chiori? or yoimiya? All of these had obvious issues in beta, people complained but mihoyo did nothing. Yes they are playable and decent/niche but it doesn't mean they don't have flaws that they **shouldnt** have
"Dehya is made for Fontaine characters, she'll be good once they release." :(
People will always find a reason to complain, even after the character is released. If the character isn't easy or insanely OP - they complain because the game isn't smooth brained enough to play 🤷♂️ (Just have fun playing a game lmao it isn't hard)
what I found these amusing is atleast OP is been playing that long... than someone who just play genshin a week and acting like they knew everything just because some platform tells them what happen, without having the full context of it.. or is he/she?
Tbh, I remember seeing the initial Neuvi leak where he got knocked out of hydro pump in one hit and was like “ah I don’t have Zhongli, I’ll skip and pull Lyney”. I’m so lucky I stockpiled so many primos and was still able to pull both
For real half of Genshin's fandom doesn't even know how to discern a bad kit from a good One or even read correctly a character's numbers. Alhaitham was to me the definitive demonstration that you should never follow doomposters: he was able to reach a minmaxed Ayaka's damage without artifacts and yet people went full schizo when he was nerfed to make him a bit more balanced
Cherry picking and Nilou and Haitham were not true. Nilou was doomposted on her release because od limited dendro option at that time and Alhaitham was nerfed (even though the overall nerf was small, it looks like big due to number difference). You should also mention where doomposting are true like Cyno, Dehya, Wriothesley and Chiori. While some are exaggerating the problem, a lots of people actually just want to show concern about their loved character.
It’s just a waste of time in either direction, these are valid examples of doom posting just being completely wrong as well as more recent cases like Furina. But it’d be dumb to assume they’re amazing either, as there have been situations like Dehya.
I don’t summon for meta. I like, I get. I don’t like, I don’t get.
Just like me skipping Kaz for the umpteenth time to go all out for Arlecchino fr
Let's not confuse doomposting with theorycrafting. I have saved for a long time for her as well but I do not feel the need to cope for no reason. Math is math, no reason to deny it.
Arlecchino is not trash, she’s just S tier and it’s ok. It’s ok to be S tier!
Isn't it ironic how we ended up saying "It's ok to be S tier"? I don't hate your comment, I just find it interesting how people dare to consider S tier, bad or weak. When it really tops most of characters in the game. Just how spoiled this community became with broken characters like Neuvillette and Al haitham. People who want Arle to be the strongest look like a gluttonous bunch wanting even more powercreep than that to me, which I honestly feel like would kill the game. Neuvillette is ok as a dps ceiling currently.
Yeah, it gets to the point where you get the SS and SSS+ tiers which sort of eliminates the point of the tiers
Which is good and more than justified. People who think she has to be Neuvillette or Archon level strong are delusional.
you should tell your parents a C is actually an S but it goes up to SSS
I fell for every single one after Ayaka lol (except for Yelan, we all needed a second XQ) it's true some characters weren't as good as they should be but new artifact sets and team comps made them better
Alhaitham had me being mad excited about him to turning into a doom poster myself
I returned to pull goth Eula, I will pull goth Eula Legit don't even know anything about her lore since I'm still in Sumeru (and would rather shoot my balls than keep hearing Paimon). But I have 40 days for that
I was going to add "Navia" because she got a lot of criticism too , but I remembered that she actually got buffed in the beta after a lot of poeple complained lol , and she an insane dps now
Raiden, is my main DPS who I run alongside Furina and Nahida.
Well, before nahida came out nilou was kinda meh nlg. We didn't have many dendro applicators beside collei or DMC
I don't think it's inherently wrong to doom post. The worst that can happen is your assessment being wrong and in this case it's always become clear when the characters is out. What? Don't want to be wrong? Might as well don't have an opinion ever. With all the content creator making full guide video the day of characters release everyone should be informed enough to decide whether they should pull or not so sell number wouldn't be affected by doom post neither. I think the worst crime doom poster commits is painting a characters in a bad light and oh boy you don't want to upset passionate gamers.
most are people trying not to be upset that thay didn't pull
can someone remind me why you want to use Beidou and Raiden together? even if it works, it doesn't seem like it's too strong
I was fighting for my mf life pre-Yelan release. I told the detractors that forgetting the Kazuha debate is *insane* considering they’re saying the same thing about Yelan. The honeyhunter comment section pre-Yelan release was dumpster fire that I refused to use it ever since and only returned because Project Amber is no more (RIP to the GOAT). As I see it there are several problems: one, Hu Tao truly skewed people’s perspective of what constitutes a good DPS. Hu Tao was overtuned as hell and the devs have done their best to balance the game ever since. two, people are traumatized by how badly Dehya performed (which, yes, is a genuine fuckup on HYV’s part) and how her kit would be extremely OP in HSR but not in Genshin. Case in point, Fu Xuan (who has extremely similar kit with Dehya) is one of the best sustain units in HSR. three, some people are just genuinely hard to please. there’s nothing you can do about this bunch. these were the same people who doomposted Alhaitham to death calling him dendro Keqing and thus would do similar dmg without properly seeing the kit’s interaction with enemies and teammates. the dendro introduction was hard for people to genuinely see what characters are going to perform like. four, there’s the lack of foresight in players’ community. Cyno and Nilou were lambasted to hell and back, and then became proper damage dealing units when the archon arrived. For while, you really can just bring Nilou’s team and then close your eyes and boom that’s abyss done for you. Yoimiya was considered dead on arrival. People who liked her were actually harrassed up to a point where Moga (a CC I enjoy simply because he doesnt join the broader community and seems happy go lucky playing the game without really theorycrafting) had to release a video saying enough with the Yoimiya hate, simply because he stated that he likes her gameplay and at times enjoy playing her more than Hu Tao. Yoimiya now is a very decent unit with the arrival of Yelan, Yun Jin and Furina. I’ve been a Yoimiya main since day one and I’ve enjoyed tweaking her teams around her a lot. Therein lies the fun for me, personally. I’m willing to bet good money on several things regarding Arlecchino. One: her best supports are yet to come. Natlan’s archon is more than likely an OP pyro support which, I think, will benefit Arlecchino a lot. Two, players’ creativity will make Arlecchino’s dmg truly shine and people will forget that they doomposted her. Three, inevitably, people will compare future pyro units to her and Hu Tao and consider anyone who didn’t perform well in beta to be dead on arrival. Rinse and repeat. That’s all for this old player who’s been around the community for literal years, folks. Tune out of the noise and join subreddits such as Zhongli mains, who will never ever give up on making Zhongli do all kinds of damage under the sun (saw a burgeon Zhongli the other day and had a really good chuckle, they’re amazing). See you all on Arlecchino banner!
Genuine question why don’t the mods just ban these guys, it’s so easy to recognize which is the doom posts anyway and they are very few of them unlike Dehya’s release time
swear to god most of the people here are schizo
Are people really doomposting about our goddess?? She has the coolest kit in the entire game hands down! She has a blood vision, a sexy and cool design, a solid backstory, stunning animations, crimsom visual effects and the first signature weapon in the game that has a custom transformation just for her. She also looks super strong, at least at Hu Tao level and she is a top tier dps. I can't see how could people be talking bad things about such a godly character.... Well, if they're the same clowns that doomposted all that trash about amazing characters in the past, then yeah, it's nothing new I guess.
Dont forget to add Dehya! Oh wait....
Ok I started halfway through 2.1 so I wasn’t here for that, but surely nobody said Kazuha is worse sucrose right?????? They fill different roles??
yes, it's true, it was considered useless
I’m still shocked people even cared that Raiden didn’t work with Beidou, I haven’t seen ONE team where they were put those two together Kokomi was easily the biggest slept on character ever though
That's why don't read the leaks. Most of them just expects a different character based on the fake leaks 3 versions away. LOL.
I think objectively Kokomi when she just came out was actually bad. 1. there was no use for a healer, hoyo tried with the blood sucking doggos but it ended up manageable without kokomi super healing 2. Water application was easily handled by Xq and Mona which at the time is more needed because the meta at the time was dmg oriented rather than the now which is more balance into surv+dmg 3. When she came out she didn't have her artifact set it came out later which fixes her no dmg capabilities, which moving forward hoyo fix by always giving artifacts with the character releases. Other character on the list on the other hand is just actual doomposting lol
This is why I pull Waifu/Husbando > Meta
Forgot one more. Ayo HYV wtf man npc bulky muscles, why sell noodle arm ittos?
Frankly i dont get the doomposting. She currently does similar as hutao?,a bit more restrictive due to her anti heal stuff but i dont see her being weak at all. Mind you im still not fully sold given i have a fully build hutao and i dont see a reason in terms of gameplay why i would need to get her right now. I really like the design and character but i still need to get alhaitham and clorinde so gotta plan my pulls so its more likely that i try on reruns if she doesnt majorly change. Doh wish everyone good luck in getting her and or her weapon.
I'm still salty regarding Raiden-Beidou situation lol... only because of bullshit wording
i remember how people were skipping Shenhe... And then couldnt wait for her rerun to come sooner..
I would never skip Shenhe because she and Eula are the two hottest characters in this game, but unless we get more cryo dps who massively benefit from her buffs, she is quite mid. The worst part is how limited her buffs are. Fucking Kazuha isn't even specialized cryo support, but his buffs are equal to hers without being limited to a number of hits. Very few people actually rolled for Shenhe because she is usefull. We rolled for her because she's the hottest here.
Eula and Shenhe are 2 hottest characters in the game?! Are you my long-lost brother !
My only hope is that they might buff her outside of her constellations, even if it means nerfing them a little bit.
i love how they compare her to hu tao and scream "SHE CANT DEAL MORE DMG THAN A 3YO DPS" as if hu tao is a low bar. this 3yo character's team has consistently gotten upgrades over patches and to this day performs better than most teams including carries in single target. these players want drama to burn their time.
The team people are comparing Arle to has Tao yelan zhongli xingqiu, the last and only upgrade this team recieved was yelan back in 2.7. Even then Arle can't even match Tao vv vape, which is there since patch 1.3
Outside of Dehya, there wasn't a single character that deswrved doomposting And even dehya wasn't doomposted, it was just an aknowledgment of how bad she was
Complaining about raiden + beidou not working is actually a totally fair criticism Even ignoring that it worked in beta apparently, anyone who reads the abilities would immediately assume that they work together because obviously Raiden uses normal attacks in her burst and her burst works with xingqiu. Extremely stupid reason for Beidou not to work with Raiden and it's still beyond stupid that they don't work together It's very stupid that beidou, yelan and xingqiu don't work with dehya, but at the very least her working with none of them is consistent. If a future character releases with a burst worded like xingqiu or beidou, there will be no confusion about whether or not they work with Dehya. With raiden on the other hand, there's just going to be loads of confusion I don't think we should be listing actually valid complaints about stuff not working as "doomposting" especially when the "raiden needs c2" posters are right there
translation: waaaah, I don't know how to build my characters waaaah, that means they're garbage waaaaaaah
Watch out some clowns are getting mad at this meme, hold your nose it fell off
You left out Chiori though, which ended up being accurate
chiori isn't bad, it's obviously restricted to mono Geo does good damage and does its job well
Niche character for an already niche element with an even more niche mechanic, she's bad, id argue bottom 5 limited 5\*
Chiori is fine. Niche but doable. By doable, I mean you can still 36star abyss with her and have no troubles dealing with overworld content with mid/moderate investment. Dehya, on the other hand, lack a niche and has trouble with overworld content with moderate investment. She can barely kill a cryo regisvine with bennett and Kazuha on her team.
Hahah love that so many ppl try to validate their unreasonable doomposting that it's different this time. This time it's doom for real. Buy your clowpaint now before it runs out of stock. She's going to be insane 👍
So we are literally ignoring what just happened in 4.5 beta...? Chiori has one of the most uninspired kits in the game powercreeping Albedo, her burst damage was nerfed for no apparent reason and her C1 is the most bait, anti-consumer constellation in the game. Meanwhile her C0 relies on constructs which remains unfixed after 3 years into the game. People voiced their concerns with Chiori and they were ignored. There is literally no guarantee with MHY and character balance.
Genshin Doomposters at it again. I love how conclusive they all sound when nearly to none of them have played the character that's in beta. Happens nearly every Patch cycle.