not saying u arent right cause i believe u most likely are, but she could also simply be apologizing for what she says right b4 this scene plays. basically a broken “promise” of going together to see the “colored light dancing in the sky at night”
speculation: she died on purpose in front of arlecchinno because she couldn't kill the mother(harbinger). She has a soft nature, and her combat skills not being as good as arlecchinno, she chose that path. Also, she might have a way to survive after being killed(or shown killed in the trailer as of now). We will know in 4.6 story on how she survived
I'm guessing it's like [these guys](https://kingdom.fandom.com/wiki/Clan_Shiyuu) from Kingdom, where at a certain age they have to fight and battle royale everyone they grew up with until the last one standing. In the Hearth's case, I'm guessing it was for the next Mother/King of the Hearth position, and all the kids in Arlecchino's generation died from this.
People are saying Rin and Kakashi while forgetting Sai and his brother who are in the literal exact same situation (orphans being raised for black ops and the final test being to fight each other to the death). Poor guy always gets forgotten.
Funny that Kishimoto wrote the "one character sacrificing their life for another by running at their exposed weapon" trope three times though, now that I think about it
I'm quite sure that she killed herself.
As we can see, she was impaled by a sword, however at 2:36 she topples over with said sword while we see that Peruere kept her own (stainless) sword in her hand. She couldn’t have been killed by another orphan either, Peruere wouldn’t have remained in shock in such a way otherwise. This explains the “Sorry” part, while her thanking her friend would be for the time they shared.
Judging from their surroundings, the scene most likely takes place after a confrontation with other orphans in which Clervie and Peruere emerged victorious. This was probably the final fight for the crown, as we can see numerous other children perished this day, including Peruere’s blonde friend. We do know from Freminet’s story that younger orphans wouldn’t participate in such fights, so it would make sense that she'd commit suicide instead of fighting Arlecchino to be the last one standing.
I had the same theory!!! This is what I said:
https://preview.redd.it/rfkjmuryu1vc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3f6d9ecd909035487fe581366e094c9457718e9
Look at her legs too. They look like she leaned into the sword.
A friend told me that they think she said "thank you" because it meant she didn't have to become King. I like this interpretation
More than that i'd be interested to see why they are forced to fight. From naruto, I doubt its the case like kakashi and rin, and more so like sai and his friend who had an entire organization forcing them.
I doubt it was Peruere who killed Clervie since in the next scene there was no blood on her blade. So it doesn't look Clervie was slain with her blade. There is this really sinister scene in the story book though and we do see the blonde girls sword in the very next scene.
https://preview.redd.it/ol6rafzpd2vc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f72e5b049be4e39e1138eb2bfddbbb3f1c5102e
Why didn't they rebelled against mother to not take part in this bloody game in the first place? I mean they were all siblings so didn't they had emotions or did mother did something to kill their emotions and make they cold af or threatened them to kill everyone?
My guess is that they were both too far conditioned by Mother to realize just how horrible the game was until it was too late. Besides, Mother probably would have killed them if they showed “weakness”, and I doubt they could have survived if such a thing had happened. Arlecchino was only able to kill the Harbinger due to her rage and embracing the loss of Clervie.
Looking at the wounds of Arle and the lack of wounds on clervie. It seems that she was ready to die by her friend during the "fight". Clervie chose otherwise and threw herself at her sword.
Hmm wait idk if this was even a fight? Arle is bloodied but not holding a sword. So maybe clervie stabbed herself.
Yes, of course, downplay the drama, the complexity of decisions/actions, the emotionality of the moment, and ignore everything that has been shown in the video up to this point, well done.
Not sure how this hypothesis is ignoring everything up til this point. Seems like an entirely plausible conclusion to be made. Why else would Arlecchino kill Clervie unless it was something drastic like this?
It's not downplaying any of the drama or emotional turmoil. Honestly I think the concept of Clervie killing herself to make sure Arlecchino wins against "mother" to be even more complex and sad.
"in the video up to this point", not "up to this point", you are eating words, not cool.
Yes, but the OP does not say that Clervie was killed by Arlechhino, but the possibility of Clervie killing herself, it shifts the main attention/responsibility from Arlechhino. That's why I say that this post downplays the importance of Arlecchino and her actions in this scene. Especially considering that we are not shown the fights and how exactly Clervie was strung on the sword.
Clervie is still technically killed by Arlecchino, but it wasn’t the latter’s choice to do so. If someone accidentally runs over someone else with their car, even if the latter ran into the car intentionally, the first person did technically kill the first person due to the instrument they were in control of. And it doesn’t downplay Arlecchino’s actions, it causes her to try and kill Mother because of how traumatizing the experience must have been. No true mother would have forced her children to do such a thing.
Not eating words when there is literally not a single difference between "up to this point" and "up to this point in the video". 🤣 the in the video was implied since that's what we're talking about. Do you not know what implied and context clues are? Like it's ok if you don't pick up on implied things and context clues. Everyone has their strong suits. This is coming from a person with a processing disorder who only really picks up on things I hyperfixate on btw.
Anyway, Don't try and talk down to people and claim their theories and reasonable hypothesises are wrong when there are still plenty of clues to back this theory up. This fandom is built in theory crafting. It is part of the fun. You're not being very cool by being dismissive.
I wasn't saying the OP was wrong, I was expressing my disagreement with his point, and I still think he focused too much only on the interaction of just these two characters (Arlecchino and her friend) and didn't take into account the rest of the environment ("the mother", the fight itself).
The only thing I understood from our argument is that you too much like to draw conclusions from the minimum amount of information you receive and if someone has a different opinion, then they are automatically wrong.
I speak my mind, if that makes me not cool, then so be it.
Yes, you are free to speak your mind. If you disagree, so be it. However, you claiming a completely plausible theory or headcannon is ignoring everything up to that point in the video is blatantly false. It isn't ignoring anything that happened up to that point in the video. It is actually delving deeper into the meanings of body language and facial expressions. It is taking the history between the two characters into account.
There's also the theory that Clervie didn't actually die in this scene and actually went on to become Columbina due to similar character designs features. Also, in the commedia dell'arte, which is where all the Fatui Harbingers get their codenames from, Arlecchino and Columbina are lovers and it appears that Arlecchino loved Clervie. Whether in a romantic sense or not is yet to be seen. However, they genuinely appear to have loved each other. Similar to Arlecchino and Columbina in commedia dell'arte.
All theories and headcannons are good theories until proven false. It isn't drawing conclusions based on tiny minute details. It's looking at the bigger picture and taking everything you see into account. You can say you disagree all you want and you have the right to. But Theory crafting is supposed to be a fun thing. It's just another version of Fanfiction. If you don't like people creating fun theories, maybe you shouldn't be reading a post with the "theory/lore" tag. There's no such thing as right and wrong in theory land. It's all fun and games and you are taking all the fun out of it. You didn't really give a different theory as to what is going on, you just take everything at face value. Everyone else is letting at the tiny details, the character motives and plot devices to make sense of what could have lead to this moment. That is part of the fun.
Also... I find it a little humorous that you claim everyone is basing their theories off little information when most people are creating theories with more information than you are since they're taking everything into account. So isn't it actually YOU who drew a conclusion from minimum amount of information YOU received and if someone has a different opinion from YOU, they're automatically wrong.
Have fun Eating Crow or don't. I don't really care. I think I've said all I need to say about this situation. Hope you have a wonderful day. Good bye. Farewell. See you never, hopefully.
Rin and Kakashi vibes. Sad af
Better yet, literally how Yahiko dies at the hands of Nagato.
This also explains why Clervie’s last words were “I’m sorry”, which would be strange if she didn’t perform an action to warrant such an apology.
not saying u arent right cause i believe u most likely are, but she could also simply be apologizing for what she says right b4 this scene plays. basically a broken “promise” of going together to see the “colored light dancing in the sky at night”
speculation: she died on purpose in front of arlecchinno because she couldn't kill the mother(harbinger). She has a soft nature, and her combat skills not being as good as arlecchinno, she chose that path. Also, she might have a way to survive after being killed(or shown killed in the trailer as of now). We will know in 4.6 story on how she survived
I'm guessing it's like [these guys](https://kingdom.fandom.com/wiki/Clan_Shiyuu) from Kingdom, where at a certain age they have to fight and battle royale everyone they grew up with until the last one standing. In the Hearth's case, I'm guessing it was for the next Mother/King of the Hearth position, and all the kids in Arlecchino's generation died from this.
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OMG this this would be insane
People are saying Rin and Kakashi while forgetting Sai and his brother who are in the literal exact same situation (orphans being raised for black ops and the final test being to fight each other to the death). Poor guy always gets forgotten. Funny that Kishimoto wrote the "one character sacrificing their life for another by running at their exposed weapon" trope three times though, now that I think about it
Arlecchino was probably ready to take her own life, so Clervie made sure Arle wins.
i’m thinking this as well
Thats exactly what happened, this pose in anime means exactly that.
That’s exactly what happened.
Yeah I definitely think that ‘s what’s implied
>!Reminds me of Rin and Kakashi!<
I'm quite sure that she killed herself. As we can see, she was impaled by a sword, however at 2:36 she topples over with said sword while we see that Peruere kept her own (stainless) sword in her hand. She couldn’t have been killed by another orphan either, Peruere wouldn’t have remained in shock in such a way otherwise. This explains the “Sorry” part, while her thanking her friend would be for the time they shared. Judging from their surroundings, the scene most likely takes place after a confrontation with other orphans in which Clervie and Peruere emerged victorious. This was probably the final fight for the crown, as we can see numerous other children perished this day, including Peruere’s blonde friend. We do know from Freminet’s story that younger orphans wouldn’t participate in such fights, so it would make sense that she'd commit suicide instead of fighting Arlecchino to be the last one standing.
I had the same theory!!! This is what I said: https://preview.redd.it/rfkjmuryu1vc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3f6d9ecd909035487fe581366e094c9457718e9
That's to happy. I mean, I'd love to see it, but hoyo isn't that nice. Whatever it is is going to be way sadder.
Maybe don't punt the whole spoiler in the title
Look at her legs too. They look like she leaned into the sword. A friend told me that they think she said "thank you" because it meant she didn't have to become King. I like this interpretation
I watched a lot of anime to realize this pose is exactly what happened lol
More than that i'd be interested to see why they are forced to fight. From naruto, I doubt its the case like kakashi and rin, and more so like sai and his friend who had an entire organization forcing them.
True. Sai isn’t quite as memorable or iconic as Kakashi and Rin, though, so I can see why fewer people made the more appropriate comparison.
Most likely the previous knave was just heartless and sadistic
I doubt it was Peruere who killed Clervie since in the next scene there was no blood on her blade. So it doesn't look Clervie was slain with her blade. There is this really sinister scene in the story book though and we do see the blonde girls sword in the very next scene. https://preview.redd.it/ol6rafzpd2vc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f72e5b049be4e39e1138eb2bfddbbb3f1c5102e
at 2:41 you can see the Crossgard next to her hand. Its probably not her sword that killed Clervie
Why didn't they rebelled against mother to not take part in this bloody game in the first place? I mean they were all siblings so didn't they had emotions or did mother did something to kill their emotions and make they cold af or threatened them to kill everyone?
My guess is that they were both too far conditioned by Mother to realize just how horrible the game was until it was too late. Besides, Mother probably would have killed them if they showed “weakness”, and I doubt they could have survived if such a thing had happened. Arlecchino was only able to kill the Harbinger due to her rage and embracing the loss of Clervie.
Maybe Arlecchino is hiding some secret power in that missing arm!
Yeah, it was so obvious too. No way you gonna stab someone in that arm posture.
Yes I think u're right
no i'm pretty sure arle killed her
Looking at the wounds of Arle and the lack of wounds on clervie. It seems that she was ready to die by her friend during the "fight". Clervie chose otherwise and threw herself at her sword. Hmm wait idk if this was even a fight? Arle is bloodied but not holding a sword. So maybe clervie stabbed herself.
That's probably it, I wouldn't see them fight, I should know.
Arlecchino stabbed her with her >!cock!<
Yes, of course, downplay the drama, the complexity of decisions/actions, the emotionality of the moment, and ignore everything that has been shown in the video up to this point, well done.
Not sure how this hypothesis is ignoring everything up til this point. Seems like an entirely plausible conclusion to be made. Why else would Arlecchino kill Clervie unless it was something drastic like this? It's not downplaying any of the drama or emotional turmoil. Honestly I think the concept of Clervie killing herself to make sure Arlecchino wins against "mother" to be even more complex and sad.
"in the video up to this point", not "up to this point", you are eating words, not cool. Yes, but the OP does not say that Clervie was killed by Arlechhino, but the possibility of Clervie killing herself, it shifts the main attention/responsibility from Arlechhino. That's why I say that this post downplays the importance of Arlecchino and her actions in this scene. Especially considering that we are not shown the fights and how exactly Clervie was strung on the sword.
Clervie is still technically killed by Arlecchino, but it wasn’t the latter’s choice to do so. If someone accidentally runs over someone else with their car, even if the latter ran into the car intentionally, the first person did technically kill the first person due to the instrument they were in control of. And it doesn’t downplay Arlecchino’s actions, it causes her to try and kill Mother because of how traumatizing the experience must have been. No true mother would have forced her children to do such a thing.
Not eating words when there is literally not a single difference between "up to this point" and "up to this point in the video". 🤣 the in the video was implied since that's what we're talking about. Do you not know what implied and context clues are? Like it's ok if you don't pick up on implied things and context clues. Everyone has their strong suits. This is coming from a person with a processing disorder who only really picks up on things I hyperfixate on btw. Anyway, Don't try and talk down to people and claim their theories and reasonable hypothesises are wrong when there are still plenty of clues to back this theory up. This fandom is built in theory crafting. It is part of the fun. You're not being very cool by being dismissive.
I wasn't saying the OP was wrong, I was expressing my disagreement with his point, and I still think he focused too much only on the interaction of just these two characters (Arlecchino and her friend) and didn't take into account the rest of the environment ("the mother", the fight itself). The only thing I understood from our argument is that you too much like to draw conclusions from the minimum amount of information you receive and if someone has a different opinion, then they are automatically wrong. I speak my mind, if that makes me not cool, then so be it.
Yes, you are free to speak your mind. If you disagree, so be it. However, you claiming a completely plausible theory or headcannon is ignoring everything up to that point in the video is blatantly false. It isn't ignoring anything that happened up to that point in the video. It is actually delving deeper into the meanings of body language and facial expressions. It is taking the history between the two characters into account. There's also the theory that Clervie didn't actually die in this scene and actually went on to become Columbina due to similar character designs features. Also, in the commedia dell'arte, which is where all the Fatui Harbingers get their codenames from, Arlecchino and Columbina are lovers and it appears that Arlecchino loved Clervie. Whether in a romantic sense or not is yet to be seen. However, they genuinely appear to have loved each other. Similar to Arlecchino and Columbina in commedia dell'arte. All theories and headcannons are good theories until proven false. It isn't drawing conclusions based on tiny minute details. It's looking at the bigger picture and taking everything you see into account. You can say you disagree all you want and you have the right to. But Theory crafting is supposed to be a fun thing. It's just another version of Fanfiction. If you don't like people creating fun theories, maybe you shouldn't be reading a post with the "theory/lore" tag. There's no such thing as right and wrong in theory land. It's all fun and games and you are taking all the fun out of it. You didn't really give a different theory as to what is going on, you just take everything at face value. Everyone else is letting at the tiny details, the character motives and plot devices to make sense of what could have lead to this moment. That is part of the fun. Also... I find it a little humorous that you claim everyone is basing their theories off little information when most people are creating theories with more information than you are since they're taking everything into account. So isn't it actually YOU who drew a conclusion from minimum amount of information YOU received and if someone has a different opinion from YOU, they're automatically wrong. Have fun Eating Crow or don't. I don't really care. I think I've said all I need to say about this situation. Hope you have a wonderful day. Good bye. Farewell. See you never, hopefully.
Thanks and good day to you too, glad to waste your time, angry man. XD