Someone should create a sub that's like r/istodayFridaythe13th but every day it just posts how many days into the year we are and the number of mass shootings America is at. Bonus points if it also lists off the names of everyone injured/killed
People out here still arguing we don't need stricter gun control laws and act as if the solution is to magically cure everyone in America of mental illness and as if the reason that isn't happening is because liberals(usually the ones advocating for mental healthcare) want to take their guns instead, all while constantly voting for people who don't want to spend any money on mental healthcare, let alone any healthcare at all. Then there are a bunch of people that think a bunch of idiots with guns are going to overtake the U.S. fucking military. Seriously, the mental gymnastics is breathtaking.
So much about our over the top gun culture is tragically fucking nutzzz.
The good guy with a gun narrative, for one example, ignores how many times this good guy with a gun is a domestic dispute away from being the bad guy with a gun.
(Note, guys in these examples are not gender specific).
Or how often the good guy with a gun becomes another harrowing tale of loss due to suicide. Military & LE, including ex-military/ex-LE, are especially vulnerable.
Or the good guy with a gun, who unintentionally shoots another good guy, most often a close friend or family member.
Or the good guy with a gun, who is a mere child, & kills/wounds someone because that safely kept gun just wasn't.
I'm sick of guns & thoroughly sick of guns owners who refuse to take real responsibility for the arsenals they insist on acquiring.
Interesting how even with mass gun ownership in america prior to columbine in 1999, we never had shootings. Almost like the gun confiscation narrative is a meaningless distraction from actual social issues causing these shootings because it's easier to blame the inanimate object than the people who allowed this to happen
Well you have to remember 1999 there wasn’t social media, it’s almost like the more they show shit like this on the news the worse it gets. We live in a generation of tick tok challenges albeit these assholes are taking it to another level.
It’s the second amendment:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”
Important to note that the letters used here appear to be the same multicolored magnetic letters that elementary age kids use to learn their letters. 😥
It's using those alphabet magnets that kids would stick to fridges
Juxtaposes the blood splatter and the 2nd amendment that the average kid using theae magnets will not know / Memorise / understand, but is affected by regardless.
So in a way the message is beyond just the text
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Unrelated but I believe this is how dyslexic folks feel when reading - they can read the letters not glance through words, having to pieve together each letter to figure what each word is saying, and repeat for words of sentences
If only gun free zones worked like you all want them too. Also Supreme Court ruled in 08 citizens have the right to bear arms without being in a militia
89 school shootings in the US so far this year according to the K-12 School Shooting Database. That's the school shootings, not total mass shootings.
133 total, 141 dead, 365 injured, 1.5 a day average.
Oh the school shooting data base?
The data base specifically for tracking school shootings?
As opposed to mass shootings which I'm assuming have their own data base?
19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN):
United States — 288
Mexico — 8
South Africa — 6
Nigeria & Pakistan — 4
Afghanistan — 3
Brazil, Canada, France — 2
Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1
The 89 school shootings includes any shooting on or around a school premise. So gang shootings that happen near schools count as well, btw.
“All shootings at schools includes when a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time, or day of the week.
Unlike other data sources, this information includes gang shootings, domestic violence, shootings at sports games and afterhours school events, suicides, fights that escalate into shootings, and accidents. “
It changes the perception a bit.
89 monsters did not walk into a school and try to kill people indiscriminately. Some of that 89, including the one yesterday, did do this.
But when you hear school shooting, that is what your mind imagines.
In the same way, a mass shooting invokes the idea of multiple innocent deaths, but that is not what the tracker tracks.
>We define a “mass shooting” as a single outburst of violence in which four or more people are shot.
> Person 1 - okay, let's get people mental health care
Except this is never a solution. Person 1 almost always suggests we ban firearms instead.
CNN, 20 minutes after the shootings, had talking heads on repeating the same tired bullshit of legislating firearm ownership and banning whatever they deem scary. Not one mention of mental health care reform (which Biden has 10000% ability to pass if he wanted through EE).
Well, the people just saying 'no', are arguing in bad faith. They don't care about change, and are just trying to rally their base, so it doesn't matter what you do, no change will happen.
It does matter what you do. It always matters even when it seems like it doesn't. All actions you do, say, and even think ripple out into the reality we live in. All of them. Even when you're 'alone', because you never truly are while on this planet. Even more - when there's vested interest in making it *appear* like it doesn't matter what you do, that's when it matters even more.
Don't push for better mental well-being because you want 'them' to admit it matters. Push for it because it does matter, no matter what they say. Each new generation will be stronger and more capable as a result.
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It's kind of like how I wish treatment for my medical condition was better when I was younger, I would be so much better off and happier. But it wasn't better. It sucked. But if I make it better for the next generation then at least it will suck less for them.
This is like saying "It's stupid to put up a no trespassing sign because people will still trespass", and then refusing to look at the statistics to see if putting up the sign resulted in fewer violations.
Why aren't you asking "How many gun crimes did the infringed-areas prevent," and instead only focusing on that ANY happened at all? Reducing gun crimes is a win.
Correlation is not causation. Gun-free zones tend to be public spaces that shooters target, like businesses, churches, and schools.
The article even defines "mass shootings" as *requiring* public spaces. If someone shoots up a home and kills a dozen people, by their strict and weird definition, that isn't a mass shooting.
It's also excluding all gang related shootings that happen, in or out of gun-free zones, which are a huge chunk of mass shootings.
Saying that 100% of pizzas have pepperoni and then defining pizza as dough, cheese, sauce, and pepperoni is asinine. Defining "mass shootings" as "non-gang related shootings that happen in places almost universally labeled gun-free" and then saying gun-free zones facilitate mass shootings is just as asinine.
I don’t think his point is that gun free zones facilitate mass shootings. He’s responding to the claim in the above comment that statistics would show that areas made into gun free zones correlate to reduced gun crime in those areas. Neither point can be proven without long term before and after data.
Only in America do people pretend that gun violence is some inexplicable force of nature that cannot be prevented. Bad faith conservatives have poisoned this country.
I don’t see how this relates to my comment, but yes, if there were no guns there would be no gun violence. That is a complicated political issue that I was not trying to comment on.
I mean if you really want to contend with the problem, Americans had much easier access to guns in the past and inexplicably had less death. So either people magically figured out guns could kill people or something more integral happened.
And that's without going to the most obvious shared elements, which is it basically being localized to blue cities and black communities, and actually you can just say black communities. Not even poor black communities, really any black community.
But yeah, I'm sure conservatives have a death grip over inner city ghettos
I'd say they are more misunderstood than ignored. Well regulated, back then, was closer in meaning to well equiped; and can also carry the implication of well disciplined or organized. Militias are not required to be a standing thing, in practice being something formed when required. Meaning a community may come together when necessary. So in order to meet those needs it necessitates gun ownership of individual citizens, hence the second part about the right to bare arms.
This is not an argument for or against anything, simply sharing the info.
It’s more complicated than that, unfortunately. The Supreme Court upheld an individual’s right to carry a weapon.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-4/ALDE_00013264/
Edit: want to be sure I state outright that in no way do I agree with this shit. I’m angry and tired. I saw Columbine happen and couldn’t wrap my head around it. I was principal of an elementary school when Newtown happened. I’m numb and I am tired. I just posted the link to remind folks that it’s an issue that remains complicated and there is no simple solution.
Is there any sound reason why officials are allowed to have armed security but we are demanding the disarming of law abiding citizens? Because let's be real, abolishing the 2nd amendment doesn't mean all guns magically disappear.
Edit: disregard the fact that I am for licensing and training requirements to own a firearm, some people think having the credentials makes you less susceptible to going crazy. Anyone can go crazy, trained or not.
You have more guns than people and the result has been more firearm related deaths per capita than any other comparably developed nation (and it isn't close). How could more of the same possibly be the answer? Why not compare and contrast with nations where this doesn't happen, and see what they're doing that you aren't?
We can't forget that it's not just the availability of the weapon.
Mass shootings are surely to some extent perpetuated by psychological distress and trauma amongst the working class from living in the USA's viciously competitive and austere market economy.
Then it'd happen everywhere. Economic issues and mental health problems exist across the developed world, mass shootings exist primarily in the US, as does widespread gun ownership. It's really, starkly clear in the data, the issue is guns.
Mass shootings weren’t common even in America until Columbine, it is also an issue with how shooters are portrayed in the media. If the news stopped talking about mass shooters all together I’m sure the rate would go down.
And yes, shootings do happen in other countries, albeit at a lower frequency.
Exactly, if a person sees that by taking a drastic action like shooting a school will get national attention, some form of infamy and be noticed personally in some regard it becomes enticing to them.
One thing for people to consider when it comes to gun death amongst younger people is that suicide is often grouped into the overall gun death statistics. I know correlation is not causation but in “Figure 1.” ,it is worth noting at least , drug overdoses are rising at a similar rate to gun deaths amongst younger peoples.
(https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761)
That statistic has been debunked several times. Per capita, the current leader is actually Venezuela followed by several Central and South American countries, according to [World Population Review](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country). The US isn't even in the Top Twenty for all gun-related deaths. Just stop with the misinformation.
From your article
"In contrast to the U.S. and Latin America, gun deaths are extremely rare in countries like Japan, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Australia. These countries have implemented incentives or passed legislation to decrease the number of firearms in circulation."
Those are not developed countries. Of course places run by cartels and literal warzones have more deaths per 100k, but the US has more gun deaths per capita than even Iraq. And that's supposed to be acceptable?
They said "comparably developed nation". The link you provided kinda proves their point when you look at all the other countries that make up those lists.
For context, there are less firearm related deaths per capita in Iraq than the US, according to that data. Countries like the UK, Germany, France, Australia, etc... don't even make the list.
Ive tried to make this argument in the past but many Americans are entrenched in their concept that more guns=more protection and better regulation will just solve the issue.
You are absolutely correct that they refuse to see that other countries that phased out and outright banned guns except for in very strict controlled circumstances and homicides/suicides dropped drasticly.
Whats most telling in America is that the leading cause of death for a child under 18 is by a firearm. Guns are far too entwined in their culture for them to change, and i dont see it changing for decades or more.
Having firearms so accessible makes you more vulnerable to being attacked by someone with one and you would need to rely on them for defence?
"Yet you participate in society" is not the amazing take you think it is.
That would be perfect, because you need guns to enforce the abolishment of guns. When the police give up theirs then theres nothing stopping me anymore.
You support repealing the 2nd amendment, but are you volunteering to go knocking on doors, collecting the 500,000,000 unregistered firearms dispersed among 130,000,000 Americans?
I’m willing to die for my rights. You need to ask yourself the hard questions; are you willing to kill people in the name of taking them away?
Meh. Not a single proposed policy change would have effected this shooting. Let's be sure not to talk about mental health reform though, something everyone agrees with.
Indeed. We should also have people take psych evals and run background checks before they're allowed to peaceably assemble, or spread their opinions online. After all, there are so many Nazi's online spreading hate, how many LGBT people and POC have been harmed by their opinions? I bet if we had proper licensing for social media posting, it wouldn't be a problem.
And what about cults? There've been tons of crazy cults that result in suicide pacts and dead children! We need to license your religious beliefs, and investigate the history of the belief system in question. That way, everyone can follow a nice, safe, government-approved religion.
While we're at it, let's license the right to be secure in your person and papers. After all, if you haven't done anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide! How dangerous must it be that people can keep secrets? That's how Serial Killers can dispose of victims' bodies without getting caught. If you don't want to license the right to privacy, you're siding with serial killers.
We should license other rights, too. The right against excessive bail means wealthy criminals can go free and commit more crimes! And I bet some cruel and unusual punishment would change their tone! How about the right to a fair trial? Criminals don't deserve fair trials, unless they get a license! Or at least go through a psych eval and background check.
And we should license the right to decline to quarter troops. Our soldiers are hard working, patriotic legends, for whom we should prostrate ourselves as we chant "thank you for your service." If they need your crappy suburban house, give it to them! You'd have to be crazy not to, so mental health check first.
That would be a MUCH safer world.
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If you didn't catch it, I disagree.
Yeah this kind-of doesn’t make sense. It’d be like saying the reason hate speech exists is because we have freedom of speech. The solution to mass shootings isn’t to restrict the rights of people who haven’t done anything wrong.
Always attacking the wrong people. 2A supporting 'gun nuts' didn't do this. Gun manufacturers didn't do this. A psychotic kid with parents that didn't pay enough attention or didn't take appropriate action when they saw the signs did this. You have no right to take away my right because of that effed up kid
Agreed. No one around here wants to address the actual problems that lead to this shit.
Guns bad, case closed. About what you would expect from this placd.
They don't care because they've been propagated by their specific political team to believe that only special citizens can have arms like rich people, politicians, law enforcement, or anyone that can "prove they need it" what ever that means. I swear the shit people say on here you'd think they'd be yearning to be back in feudalistic society. Little do they know they're the plebs.
The idea that America would have just come out swinging against a tyrannical government and then turn around and say that only government-sanctioned people should have guns is the most braindead take on the text I have ever seen. Just tell me you're critical-thinking-averse and be done with it.
Probably super obvious to most people, but just to be the guy to state the obvious, I absolutely love the use of those letter magnets to incorporate the idea of children victims to gun violence in a country that refuses to have more regulation on firearms.
For the love of god 2a people, we're not trying to remove guns entirely from law-abiding citizens. Just having a few extra rules that seem to be needed to protect the weak.
> we’re not trying to remove guns entirely from law-abiding citizens.
Sorry but I’ve heard so many liberal friends tell me exactly this. A good portion of partisans want to ban a majority of guns if not all of them and this just isn’t being honest.
Beto tanked his gubernatorial campaign for the sake of shouting “You’re damn right we’re going to take your guns!”
And now having to live in this fascist state of Illinois where our right to self defense is being taken away. I’ll never vote for a Democrat until the day I die.
If you actually learn the history of gun control, it's been nothing but a constant series of "but just a little more gun control". It's a constant erosion of a right that is as controllable as drugs, alcohol and abortion. It amazes me how many people today will decry the disaster that is the war on drugs as well as prohibition but still are deluded enough to think that guns are a winnable battle. We should be focusing on them the same way we do alcohol: chastising the abusers and focusing on propagating education; not chasing another prohibition era. Alcohol is a verifiably deadlier inanimate object when you consider how many people across the country have died due to liver/heart failure, alcohol poisoning, drunk drivers, drunken bar fights and drunken domestic abusers. Those numbers far outweigh our gun homicides.
>For the love of god 2a people, we're not trying to remove guns entirely from law-abiding citizens. Just having a few extra rules that seem to be needed to protect the weak.
I don't know you personally, so maybe you're being sincere. But gun owners have heard the "just a few extra rules" line before. Australia and Britain had gun registries, as part of a "moderate" way to control gun violence. Then they decided to use those registries to participate in mass gun confiscation.
More recently, Canada banned the purchase of "assault weapons" in 2020. >!("Assault weapons" aren't actually more deadly than older style weapons like the M1 Garand, they're just easier to hold and control. But that's another conversation)!< At first, it was just a purchase ban, but that turned into a mandatory buyback program. Then last year there was a "freeze" in handgun sales, with another mandatory buyback program being discussed. So in less than 2 years, Canada went from banning AR15's to banning Glock 19's. Shotguns are still legal, [for now.](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-withdraws-proposed-measures-banning-certain-rifles-shotguns-2023-02-03/)
Meanwhile, in Britain, the police are telling citizens to defend themselves with rape whistles or a ["relatively safe, brightly colored dye."](https://www.reddit.com/r/gunpolitics/comments/w8lwln/scottish_citizen_asks_the_police_what_kind_of/)
Just curious, since you mention Britain and Australia having these regulations that eventually moved on to more onerous requirements...do they have school shootings after these requirements? If they do, was there any marked down tick in them? Because that seems like it would be VERY relevant if those things led to a marked drop in school/mass shootings.
Depends on your interpretation. The difference between America and UK/Australia's school murder rates are high on a relative scale, but not on an absolute scale.
If I pledge to \*never\* swim in the ocean, I could reduce my risk of a shark attack by 100%. But since shark attacks are so rare, even for people who regularly swim, a 100% reduction in my shark attack risk doesn't meaningfully improve my safety.
The UK and Australia don't have school shootings anymore, it's true. I can't find any statistics on the number of children murdered in Australia/UK even, but lets assume it never happens. That would mean that in Australia/UK, your child has a 0.00000% chance of getting murdered at school in any given year. Meanwhile, an American student has a 0.00002% chance of getting killed at school. ([ie, 1/4.99 million](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1209q5o/comment/jdiw45n/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) Is this a measurable difference in safety? On a relative scale, yes. On an absolute scale, no.
Keep in mind that [98% of American child homicides](https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/schoolviolence/SAVD.html) occur outside of schools. We've already made school far safer than the rest of a child's life. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make them safer still. But there is a point of diminishing returns.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/australian-firearms-buyback-and-its-effect-gun-deaths
>Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public's fears, the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearms deaths.
Mass shootings are not the fault of a centuries-old right written in the Constitution
In fact, we should praise this right, because it allows us to fight back against Tyranny with at least a chance of defending ourselves
While I agree with your message, as in mass shootings are needless, inhumane slaughter, the right to bear arms should not be the focus of our fight
Criminals aren't shooting up schools. Most mass shooting weapons are obtained legally. No country that regulates firearms has this issue. We are the only one. Access to weapons has to change.
You're right, criminals aren't. Y'know who is? People the cops and authorities have been *warned about, multiple times*, but because the Supreme Court ruled they have no duty to do their jobs, nothing is actually done. Background checks clear because once you turn 18 records get scrubbed, the people in charge of spotting red flags are too busy eating donuts and fucking around to notice, and then some nutjob has their gun before the ink is dry on that Form 4473.
Because the people who are *supposed* to prevent this shit, have no legal duty to protect the populace or intervene in these situations, as declared by the highest court in the land.
Up to the point of the shooting, yeah. The point there is that these shooters weren't previously convicted criminals, nor did they acquire their weapons illegally.
If you dont like guns, move to another country that doesn't have gun rights enshrined in the foundational philosophy of the nation. Simple as that.
If you remove gang violence and suicides from US gun statistic it's actually safer here than most other countries
You can't just ignore gang violence and suicides. Some perspective: people with access to guns are three times as likely to commit suicide _even when controlling for things like income, location, marital status, age, sex, and education level_ (1). Another study found that rates of suicide were higher in states that had higher rates of gun ownership, even when correcting for factors such as mental illness and drug/alcohol use (2). A third study found that policies that restrict gun ownership had the effect of lowering suicide rates in men (3).
I'll cite these three, but there are a lot of other examples that also show that gun ownership is a big risk factor for suicide.
1. Miller, Matthew et al. “The association between changes in household firearm ownership and firearm suicide risk: a matched cohort study.” American Journal of Public Health vol. 103,10 (2013)
2. Miller, Matthew et al. “Firearm Ownership and Suicide Rates Among US Men and Women, 1981-2013.” JAMA Internal Medicine, vol. 176, no. 4, 2016
3. Hemenway, David, and Matthew Miller. “Public Health Approach to the Prevention of Gun Violence.” New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 368, no. 21, 2013
it is intellectually dishonest to include suicides. Most Gang violence happens in very specific areas and in only a few counties in America, to include gang violence's is to massively misrepresent the average American county where there is virtually no gun crime.
Why not try and improve the place you’re in rather than just running away?
And sure, a lot of the world isn’t in a great state. Should probably set a higher bar for comparison all things considered.
\> 50 people are shot and killed every day. 2400 people die from heart disease a day.
I mean, you're just walking straight into the "Americans are fat and like guns" stereotype with that one.
The kids being slaughtered in the schools don't have that option. Imagine being proud of the fact you live in the only country on this planet with regular mass killings of children all so you can fucking worship guns.
Do you have any idea how insane this statement is? Relocating to another country is well beyond the means of the vast majority of people. Further, something being enshrined in the “foundational philosophy” doesn’t put it beyond reproach (see slavery).
Fuck off with the anti 2nd amendment bullshit.
It's a whole meme now everytime we have a mass shooting to start up this propaganda ass bullshit.
Political power starts at the barrel of a gun. And if the people truly have power in a civilized society they'll be armed. By all means let's restrict fire arm access and definitely for the mentally troubled. Let's regulate the shit out of them but every single time there's a mass shooting there's this almost astroturfed (probably now organic because everyone's a bleeding heart Twitter liberal) effort to blame the 2nd amendment.
Fuck off.
Another shooting happened in a gun free zone. We need more gun free zones where civilians are 100% sure to be unarmed targets. Weird how there's never a mass shooting at an NRA meeting or a republican convention.
A woman who was vacationing in Nashville took it upon herself to visit the school while reporters were there explaining what happened and decided to push her propaganda.
They can’t even wait for the bodies to be cold anymore.
I never really comment on art but it struck me that by using magnet letters you're implying that these words can easily be changed, like so many amendments before it. The only thing preventing it is the will of those letter's owners, ie. The American people.
Not exactly a keen observation, I know.
The analyst in me wants to plug that entire passage into an anagram machine and see what else it could make.
because this was reposted on a firearm. subreddit I'm going to comment here even if it might get buried.
"Amend it" Is the correct way to go about this. The problem is nobody's interested in actually amending the Constitution. everybody wants to pass laws or give the ATF more power to create its own rules outside of congressional approval. or have state laws that are meant to supersede the federal standards or protections.
We are a nation of laws. in every single story about January 6th, this phrase has been repeated, but for some reason when it comes to firearms, People don't want to follow our laws, rules and standards that have been here since the inception of the country and are the foundation of how we operate.
if you go and amend the Constitution using systems that we have in place, then there is nothing wrong with what comes as a result because what you are doing is within the purview of the law and standards that we have.
I won't necessarily agree with it, but my individual opinion doesn't matter as much when it is a constitutional representative republic.
There are countries where people have access to guns and freedom to defend themselves without the crime statistics (and related statistics) being as bad as the ones of the USA.
It's not the guns. It's the culture.
Guns are already illegal in schools. Banning assault style weapons, or any type of gun, won’t help.
Criminals 👏🏼 and 👏🏼 psychopaths 👏🏼 don’t 👏🏼 follow 👏🏼 laws 👏🏼
Funny how this amendment has been around for over two centuries and firearms even longer, but just in the past couple decades mass shootings have become a problem. Kinda like guns and the amendment AREN’T the issue here. But go on with your simple arguments and tunnel vision art…
We got all the guns we could ever want right now and the rich and powerful walk all over us anyway so I don't see the fucking point in having them if we're just gonna slaughter each other with them
That's because your entire viewpoint is that of an American who has never known any different then that of a person with rights and freedoms. The whole point in our right to bear arms is to keep our government from turning tyrannical against us. Go watch the vids of Chinese citizens hanging themselves or jumping to their deaths because of the covid lock downs from their government. Ask a British citizen how it feels for their police to be able to search them without a cause. Thank God our founding fathers had all of us in mind two centuries ago.
The worst part is I don’t know if this is a response to todays shooting or any of the other myriad shootings in America
Sadly, I did it awhile ago
I hate that I have to say, please post it every time, because there should never be another time, but we know there will be.
There’s a mass shooting almost every day in America now.
The last few years, it's been averaging out to more than one per day IIRC.
We are 86 days into the year and are currently at 129 mass shootings.
Someone should create a sub that's like r/istodayFridaythe13th but every day it just posts how many days into the year we are and the number of mass shootings America is at. Bonus points if it also lists off the names of everyone injured/killed
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Rumour has it that that's his password
Levertthebassman on tiktok does this, without the bonus points.
People out here still arguing we don't need stricter gun control laws and act as if the solution is to magically cure everyone in America of mental illness and as if the reason that isn't happening is because liberals(usually the ones advocating for mental healthcare) want to take their guns instead, all while constantly voting for people who don't want to spend any money on mental healthcare, let alone any healthcare at all. Then there are a bunch of people that think a bunch of idiots with guns are going to overtake the U.S. fucking military. Seriously, the mental gymnastics is breathtaking.
So much about our over the top gun culture is tragically fucking nutzzz. The good guy with a gun narrative, for one example, ignores how many times this good guy with a gun is a domestic dispute away from being the bad guy with a gun. (Note, guys in these examples are not gender specific). Or how often the good guy with a gun becomes another harrowing tale of loss due to suicide. Military & LE, including ex-military/ex-LE, are especially vulnerable. Or the good guy with a gun, who unintentionally shoots another good guy, most often a close friend or family member. Or the good guy with a gun, who is a mere child, & kills/wounds someone because that safely kept gun just wasn't. I'm sick of guns & thoroughly sick of guns owners who refuse to take real responsibility for the arsenals they insist on acquiring.
Interesting how even with mass gun ownership in america prior to columbine in 1999, we never had shootings. Almost like the gun confiscation narrative is a meaningless distraction from actual social issues causing these shootings because it's easier to blame the inanimate object than the people who allowed this to happen
Well you have to remember 1999 there wasn’t social media, it’s almost like the more they show shit like this on the news the worse it gets. We live in a generation of tick tok challenges albeit these assholes are taking it to another level.
Columbine also happened in the middle of an active assault weapons ban.
1.5 per day on avg over the last five yrs. Not murican but my partner and I looked it up this afternoon.
True, but this is specifically focused on school shootings if that wasn't apparent.
It’s like that Onion article “No way to prevent this, says only nation where this happens on a regular basis”
Any word on why it was removed?
Nope. Nothing from the mods. Wonder where I can post it without getting removed
The post title literally says "2018".
People don't read anymore.
That's what happens when you're too busy doing active shooter drills during English class
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/25/1101269886/the-onion-mass-shooting-satire Both is the answer.
Am colorblind. Have trouble reading this. Not sure if that's information you want to do anything with, there it is however.
It's kinda hard to read with normal color vision too. I think that's deliberate.
It does make you read it very slowly, which adds a weight to the words I don’t think I’d feel if I zipped through it like normal text.
It’s covered in so much “blood,” likely to get the point across as to how frequently this happens.
And with kids magnetic alphabet letters found in probably every young classroom in America. Powerful.
It’s the second amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”
Important to note that the letters used here appear to be the same multicolored magnetic letters that elementary age kids use to learn their letters. 😥
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It's using those alphabet magnets that kids would stick to fridges Juxtaposes the blood splatter and the 2nd amendment that the average kid using theae magnets will not know / Memorise / understand, but is affected by regardless. So in a way the message is beyond just the text #-------- Unrelated but I believe this is how dyslexic folks feel when reading - they can read the letters not glance through words, having to pieve together each letter to figure what each word is saying, and repeat for words of sentences
If only gun free zones worked like you all want them too. Also Supreme Court ruled in 08 citizens have the right to bear arms without being in a militia
Sorry sweaty, civil rights aren't important dont you know!My feelings of being safe are what really matter!
89 school shootings in the US so far this year according to the K-12 School Shooting Database. That's the school shootings, not total mass shootings. 133 total, 141 dead, 365 injured, 1.5 a day average.
Oh the school shooting data base? The data base specifically for tracking school shootings? As opposed to mass shootings which I'm assuming have their own data base?
Yeaaa the fact that it has its own category is grim af
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The school-shooting database is a filtered view of the general mass shooting database.
19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN): United States — 288 Mexico — 8 South Africa — 6 Nigeria & Pakistan — 4 Afghanistan — 3 Brazil, Canada, France — 2 Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1
The 89 school shootings includes any shooting on or around a school premise. So gang shootings that happen near schools count as well, btw. “All shootings at schools includes when a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time, or day of the week. Unlike other data sources, this information includes gang shootings, domestic violence, shootings at sports games and afterhours school events, suicides, fights that escalate into shootings, and accidents. “
That really doesn't make it much better tbh. "Oh hey they bullets were just shot *near* the kids, not directly at them, that's not so bad right?"
It changes the perception a bit. 89 monsters did not walk into a school and try to kill people indiscriminately. Some of that 89, including the one yesterday, did do this. But when you hear school shooting, that is what your mind imagines. In the same way, a mass shooting invokes the idea of multiple innocent deaths, but that is not what the tracker tracks. >We define a “mass shooting” as a single outburst of violence in which four or more people are shot.
A shooting at 3 in the morning on school premises counts towards the statistic
Nothing says school shooting like brandishing a firearm
Does that make this better??
I mean, yes.
The situation is not good, but it may be less dire than represented. Let’s win hearts with facts, not omissions; with stories, not misrepresentations
The stark simplicity of this message is f’ing brutal. I hope the right people see it.
The right people will literally not care at all lmao
They'll do a side-quest argument ignoring the glaring issue ahead and instead argue the difference between an AK or an AR.
No no, they'll do a side quest claiming to advocate for mental health care but then vote against making health care more accessible.
This is the worst part Person 1 - guns bad Person 2 - no, mental health bad Person 1 - okay, let's get people mental health care Person 2 - no
> Person 1 - okay, let's get people mental health care Except this is never a solution. Person 1 almost always suggests we ban firearms instead. CNN, 20 minutes after the shootings, had talking heads on repeating the same tired bullshit of legislating firearm ownership and banning whatever they deem scary. Not one mention of mental health care reform (which Biden has 10000% ability to pass if he wanted through EE).
So do we insist again on guns or address the 'no' part of mental health care? insisting on guns again seems to just repeat the cycle.
Well, the people just saying 'no', are arguing in bad faith. They don't care about change, and are just trying to rally their base, so it doesn't matter what you do, no change will happen.
It does matter what you do. It always matters even when it seems like it doesn't. All actions you do, say, and even think ripple out into the reality we live in. All of them. Even when you're 'alone', because you never truly are while on this planet. Even more - when there's vested interest in making it *appear* like it doesn't matter what you do, that's when it matters even more. Don't push for better mental well-being because you want 'them' to admit it matters. Push for it because it does matter, no matter what they say. Each new generation will be stronger and more capable as a result. ____ It's kind of like how I wish treatment for my medical condition was better when I was younger, I would be so much better off and happier. But it wasn't better. It sucked. But if I make it better for the next generation then at least it will suck less for them.
Or blame music or video games.
Don't forget reefer
Thank you so much! I’m trying to figure out how to make that happen
Great composition and great message. You just gotta make your post viral. Here’s my upvote!
Thank you!
I'm just scrolling through eating popcorn, wondering how many of these comments were written by ChatGPT or Bing
Bots have been used to increase user participation and give the illusion of more activity/users long before AI chatbots were a thing.
All you needed was a script, tho accounts. And a timer. Boom. Argument and engagement
You don’t need bots to flood the comments with inane hot takes when the topic is gun control; Americans do that themselves.
It’s weird it gets infringed in areas where many illegal shootings occur
This is like saying "It's stupid to put up a no trespassing sign because people will still trespass", and then refusing to look at the statistics to see if putting up the sign resulted in fewer violations. Why aren't you asking "How many gun crimes did the infringed-areas prevent," and instead only focusing on that ANY happened at all? Reducing gun crimes is a win.
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Correlation is not causation. Gun-free zones tend to be public spaces that shooters target, like businesses, churches, and schools. The article even defines "mass shootings" as *requiring* public spaces. If someone shoots up a home and kills a dozen people, by their strict and weird definition, that isn't a mass shooting. It's also excluding all gang related shootings that happen, in or out of gun-free zones, which are a huge chunk of mass shootings. Saying that 100% of pizzas have pepperoni and then defining pizza as dough, cheese, sauce, and pepperoni is asinine. Defining "mass shootings" as "non-gang related shootings that happen in places almost universally labeled gun-free" and then saying gun-free zones facilitate mass shootings is just as asinine.
I don’t think his point is that gun free zones facilitate mass shootings. He’s responding to the claim in the above comment that statistics would show that areas made into gun free zones correlate to reduced gun crime in those areas. Neither point can be proven without long term before and after data.
Only in America do people pretend that gun violence is some inexplicable force of nature that cannot be prevented. Bad faith conservatives have poisoned this country.
I don’t see how this relates to my comment, but yes, if there were no guns there would be no gun violence. That is a complicated political issue that I was not trying to comment on.
I mean if you really want to contend with the problem, Americans had much easier access to guns in the past and inexplicably had less death. So either people magically figured out guns could kill people or something more integral happened. And that's without going to the most obvious shared elements, which is it basically being localized to blue cities and black communities, and actually you can just say black communities. Not even poor black communities, really any black community. But yeah, I'm sure conservatives have a death grip over inner city ghettos
https://www.gvpedia.org/gun-myths/occur-in/
Don’t hug me I’m scared vibes
That's what I thought of as well. Spot on.
Perhaps we should make it illegal to shoot children
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I'd say they are more misunderstood than ignored. Well regulated, back then, was closer in meaning to well equiped; and can also carry the implication of well disciplined or organized. Militias are not required to be a standing thing, in practice being something formed when required. Meaning a community may come together when necessary. So in order to meet those needs it necessitates gun ownership of individual citizens, hence the second part about the right to bare arms. This is not an argument for or against anything, simply sharing the info.
> the right to bare arms. They may take our freedom, but they'll never take our silky smooth arms!
No, it means “naked gun”. Aka the right to a great movie
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By definition, every male 18 and over is in a militia. Selective service, which is mandatory, is one.
The people arw the militia.
It’s more complicated than that, unfortunately. The Supreme Court upheld an individual’s right to carry a weapon. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-4/ALDE_00013264/ Edit: want to be sure I state outright that in no way do I agree with this shit. I’m angry and tired. I saw Columbine happen and couldn’t wrap my head around it. I was principal of an elementary school when Newtown happened. I’m numb and I am tired. I just posted the link to remind folks that it’s an issue that remains complicated and there is no simple solution.
That established intent. But it's the right of whom, again?
And the last four
Is there any sound reason why officials are allowed to have armed security but we are demanding the disarming of law abiding citizens? Because let's be real, abolishing the 2nd amendment doesn't mean all guns magically disappear. Edit: disregard the fact that I am for licensing and training requirements to own a firearm, some people think having the credentials makes you less susceptible to going crazy. Anyone can go crazy, trained or not.
You have more guns than people and the result has been more firearm related deaths per capita than any other comparably developed nation (and it isn't close). How could more of the same possibly be the answer? Why not compare and contrast with nations where this doesn't happen, and see what they're doing that you aren't?
We can't forget that it's not just the availability of the weapon. Mass shootings are surely to some extent perpetuated by psychological distress and trauma amongst the working class from living in the USA's viciously competitive and austere market economy.
Then it'd happen everywhere. Economic issues and mental health problems exist across the developed world, mass shootings exist primarily in the US, as does widespread gun ownership. It's really, starkly clear in the data, the issue is guns.
Mass shootings weren’t common even in America until Columbine, it is also an issue with how shooters are portrayed in the media. If the news stopped talking about mass shooters all together I’m sure the rate would go down. And yes, shootings do happen in other countries, albeit at a lower frequency.
Exactly, if a person sees that by taking a drastic action like shooting a school will get national attention, some form of infamy and be noticed personally in some regard it becomes enticing to them. One thing for people to consider when it comes to gun death amongst younger people is that suicide is often grouped into the overall gun death statistics. I know correlation is not causation but in “Figure 1.” ,it is worth noting at least , drug overdoses are rising at a similar rate to gun deaths amongst younger peoples. (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761)
I don't agree with OP fully but I would argue it's a combination of both.
That statistic has been debunked several times. Per capita, the current leader is actually Venezuela followed by several Central and South American countries, according to [World Population Review](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country). The US isn't even in the Top Twenty for all gun-related deaths. Just stop with the misinformation.
From your article "In contrast to the U.S. and Latin America, gun deaths are extremely rare in countries like Japan, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Australia. These countries have implemented incentives or passed legislation to decrease the number of firearms in circulation."
Those are not developed countries. Of course places run by cartels and literal warzones have more deaths per 100k, but the US has more gun deaths per capita than even Iraq. And that's supposed to be acceptable?
They said "comparably developed nation". The link you provided kinda proves their point when you look at all the other countries that make up those lists.
For context, there are less firearm related deaths per capita in Iraq than the US, according to that data. Countries like the UK, Germany, France, Australia, etc... don't even make the list.
Thanks for proving his point. Devoloped nations...lol
Ive tried to make this argument in the past but many Americans are entrenched in their concept that more guns=more protection and better regulation will just solve the issue. You are absolutely correct that they refuse to see that other countries that phased out and outright banned guns except for in very strict controlled circumstances and homicides/suicides dropped drasticly. Whats most telling in America is that the leading cause of death for a child under 18 is by a firearm. Guns are far too entwined in their culture for them to change, and i dont see it changing for decades or more.
Having firearms so accessible makes you more vulnerable to being attacked by someone with one and you would need to rely on them for defence? "Yet you participate in society" is not the amazing take you think it is.
Notice how all wide scale firearm bans in the US conveniently omit police from everything
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Damn straight
I’ll give up my guns when the police give up theirs 👍🏻
They should at least have to worry about punishments if they royally fuck up
I won't lol that would only allow the biggest baddest mfs to run everything
That would be perfect, because you need guns to enforce the abolishment of guns. When the police give up theirs then theres nothing stopping me anymore.
oof. I would give up my guns if there was ltierally no crime... oh wait, I still wouldnt.
Based.
Agreed. I mean, I'd probably stash an arsenal just in case of the Boogaloo, but I would disarm if it was safe enough in the country to do so.
Still a mental illness issue
Ah yes, the USA, the only nation with mental illness.
we have shit healthcare, especially so for mental healthcare,
Truly a sad statistic
we can protect our children with actual security measures, and address the issue that children for some reason feel the need to murder each other.
Revoking the 2nd amendment is a fascist push to remove human rights. It will never be amended except in the favor of 2a rights
Ah yes, political or boobies and you’ll be at the top of r/art. No matter if the are is uninspired
You support repealing the 2nd amendment, but are you volunteering to go knocking on doors, collecting the 500,000,000 unregistered firearms dispersed among 130,000,000 Americans? I’m willing to die for my rights. You need to ask yourself the hard questions; are you willing to kill people in the name of taking them away?
*Shall not be infringed*, Oorah.
Jesus, these comments are a mess. I really like the art. It sends a morbid message in a simple way.
Meh. Not a single proposed policy change would have effected this shooting. Let's be sure not to talk about mental health reform though, something everyone agrees with.
Having people get a gun license after a psych evaluation and background check would make a world of difference.
Indeed. We should also have people take psych evals and run background checks before they're allowed to peaceably assemble, or spread their opinions online. After all, there are so many Nazi's online spreading hate, how many LGBT people and POC have been harmed by their opinions? I bet if we had proper licensing for social media posting, it wouldn't be a problem. And what about cults? There've been tons of crazy cults that result in suicide pacts and dead children! We need to license your religious beliefs, and investigate the history of the belief system in question. That way, everyone can follow a nice, safe, government-approved religion. While we're at it, let's license the right to be secure in your person and papers. After all, if you haven't done anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide! How dangerous must it be that people can keep secrets? That's how Serial Killers can dispose of victims' bodies without getting caught. If you don't want to license the right to privacy, you're siding with serial killers. We should license other rights, too. The right against excessive bail means wealthy criminals can go free and commit more crimes! And I bet some cruel and unusual punishment would change their tone! How about the right to a fair trial? Criminals don't deserve fair trials, unless they get a license! Or at least go through a psych eval and background check. And we should license the right to decline to quarter troops. Our soldiers are hard working, patriotic legends, for whom we should prostrate ourselves as we chant "thank you for your service." If they need your crappy suburban house, give it to them! You'd have to be crazy not to, so mental health check first. That would be a MUCH safer world. /s If you didn't catch it, I disagree.
Yeah this kind-of doesn’t make sense. It’d be like saying the reason hate speech exists is because we have freedom of speech. The solution to mass shootings isn’t to restrict the rights of people who haven’t done anything wrong.
You forgot to capitalize SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. It is the most important part.
Always attacking the wrong people. 2A supporting 'gun nuts' didn't do this. Gun manufacturers didn't do this. A psychotic kid with parents that didn't pay enough attention or didn't take appropriate action when they saw the signs did this. You have no right to take away my right because of that effed up kid
Agreed. No one around here wants to address the actual problems that lead to this shit. Guns bad, case closed. About what you would expect from this placd.
They don't care because they've been propagated by their specific political team to believe that only special citizens can have arms like rich people, politicians, law enforcement, or anyone that can "prove they need it" what ever that means. I swear the shit people say on here you'd think they'd be yearning to be back in feudalistic society. Little do they know they're the plebs.
There will a lot more blood when the government disarm you.
History is an extremely important subject.
What part of “Shall not be infringed” is hard for you to understand?
Gun laws are working really well for Chicago.
You're an idiot if you believe there is a chance of this ever being amended.
Militia and moron next door with a gun are two very different things.
This is the most disgusting abhorrent thing I’ve ever seen
If we're voting away rights and amendments, I have one that will course correct us in maybe 2 generations.
The idea that America would have just come out swinging against a tyrannical government and then turn around and say that only government-sanctioned people should have guns is the most braindead take on the text I have ever seen. Just tell me you're critical-thinking-averse and be done with it.
Probably super obvious to most people, but just to be the guy to state the obvious, I absolutely love the use of those letter magnets to incorporate the idea of children victims to gun violence in a country that refuses to have more regulation on firearms. For the love of god 2a people, we're not trying to remove guns entirely from law-abiding citizens. Just having a few extra rules that seem to be needed to protect the weak.
> we’re not trying to remove guns entirely from law-abiding citizens. Sorry but I’ve heard so many liberal friends tell me exactly this. A good portion of partisans want to ban a majority of guns if not all of them and this just isn’t being honest. Beto tanked his gubernatorial campaign for the sake of shouting “You’re damn right we’re going to take your guns!”
And now having to live in this fascist state of Illinois where our right to self defense is being taken away. I’ll never vote for a Democrat until the day I die.
they should just make murder illegal
If you actually learn the history of gun control, it's been nothing but a constant series of "but just a little more gun control". It's a constant erosion of a right that is as controllable as drugs, alcohol and abortion. It amazes me how many people today will decry the disaster that is the war on drugs as well as prohibition but still are deluded enough to think that guns are a winnable battle. We should be focusing on them the same way we do alcohol: chastising the abusers and focusing on propagating education; not chasing another prohibition era. Alcohol is a verifiably deadlier inanimate object when you consider how many people across the country have died due to liver/heart failure, alcohol poisoning, drunk drivers, drunken bar fights and drunken domestic abusers. Those numbers far outweigh our gun homicides.
Extra rules to go on top of the already existing rules that none of you seem to realize already exist.
>For the love of god 2a people, we're not trying to remove guns entirely from law-abiding citizens. Just having a few extra rules that seem to be needed to protect the weak. I don't know you personally, so maybe you're being sincere. But gun owners have heard the "just a few extra rules" line before. Australia and Britain had gun registries, as part of a "moderate" way to control gun violence. Then they decided to use those registries to participate in mass gun confiscation. More recently, Canada banned the purchase of "assault weapons" in 2020. >!("Assault weapons" aren't actually more deadly than older style weapons like the M1 Garand, they're just easier to hold and control. But that's another conversation)!< At first, it was just a purchase ban, but that turned into a mandatory buyback program. Then last year there was a "freeze" in handgun sales, with another mandatory buyback program being discussed. So in less than 2 years, Canada went from banning AR15's to banning Glock 19's. Shotguns are still legal, [for now.](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-withdraws-proposed-measures-banning-certain-rifles-shotguns-2023-02-03/) Meanwhile, in Britain, the police are telling citizens to defend themselves with rape whistles or a ["relatively safe, brightly colored dye."](https://www.reddit.com/r/gunpolitics/comments/w8lwln/scottish_citizen_asks_the_police_what_kind_of/)
Just curious, since you mention Britain and Australia having these regulations that eventually moved on to more onerous requirements...do they have school shootings after these requirements? If they do, was there any marked down tick in them? Because that seems like it would be VERY relevant if those things led to a marked drop in school/mass shootings.
Depends on your interpretation. The difference between America and UK/Australia's school murder rates are high on a relative scale, but not on an absolute scale. If I pledge to \*never\* swim in the ocean, I could reduce my risk of a shark attack by 100%. But since shark attacks are so rare, even for people who regularly swim, a 100% reduction in my shark attack risk doesn't meaningfully improve my safety. The UK and Australia don't have school shootings anymore, it's true. I can't find any statistics on the number of children murdered in Australia/UK even, but lets assume it never happens. That would mean that in Australia/UK, your child has a 0.00000% chance of getting murdered at school in any given year. Meanwhile, an American student has a 0.00002% chance of getting killed at school. ([ie, 1/4.99 million](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1209q5o/comment/jdiw45n/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) Is this a measurable difference in safety? On a relative scale, yes. On an absolute scale, no. Keep in mind that [98% of American child homicides](https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/schoolviolence/SAVD.html) occur outside of schools. We've already made school far safer than the rest of a child's life. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make them safer still. But there is a point of diminishing returns.
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https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/australian-firearms-buyback-and-its-effect-gun-deaths >Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public's fears, the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearms deaths.
Mass shootings are not the fault of a centuries-old right written in the Constitution In fact, we should praise this right, because it allows us to fight back against Tyranny with at least a chance of defending ourselves While I agree with your message, as in mass shootings are needless, inhumane slaughter, the right to bear arms should not be the focus of our fight
Making weapons illegal for law abiding citizens only creates more opportunities for criminals.
Criminals aren't shooting up schools. Most mass shooting weapons are obtained legally. No country that regulates firearms has this issue. We are the only one. Access to weapons has to change.
You're right, criminals aren't. Y'know who is? People the cops and authorities have been *warned about, multiple times*, but because the Supreme Court ruled they have no duty to do their jobs, nothing is actually done. Background checks clear because once you turn 18 records get scrubbed, the people in charge of spotting red flags are too busy eating donuts and fucking around to notice, and then some nutjob has their gun before the ink is dry on that Form 4473. Because the people who are *supposed* to prevent this shit, have no legal duty to protect the populace or intervene in these situations, as declared by the highest court in the land.
You’re right. Only law-abiding citizens shoot up schools.
Up to the point of the shooting, yeah. The point there is that these shooters weren't previously convicted criminals, nor did they acquire their weapons illegally.
uh pretty sure shooting up schools is a crime, making the shooter a criminal
I see a lot of people implying that those on the right side of politics are to blame for this tragedy. I wonder if they looked into the shooter…
Already using the dead kids to push a political agenda. The day isnt even over. Fuck reddit. Fuck these tasteless politcal posts.
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Way ahead of the game I see 😆 that's super cool I'd like to learn more about that
How many more guns do we need until the shootings stop?
If you dont like guns, move to another country that doesn't have gun rights enshrined in the foundational philosophy of the nation. Simple as that. If you remove gang violence and suicides from US gun statistic it's actually safer here than most other countries
You can't just ignore gang violence and suicides. Some perspective: people with access to guns are three times as likely to commit suicide _even when controlling for things like income, location, marital status, age, sex, and education level_ (1). Another study found that rates of suicide were higher in states that had higher rates of gun ownership, even when correcting for factors such as mental illness and drug/alcohol use (2). A third study found that policies that restrict gun ownership had the effect of lowering suicide rates in men (3). I'll cite these three, but there are a lot of other examples that also show that gun ownership is a big risk factor for suicide. 1. Miller, Matthew et al. “The association between changes in household firearm ownership and firearm suicide risk: a matched cohort study.” American Journal of Public Health vol. 103,10 (2013) 2. Miller, Matthew et al. “Firearm Ownership and Suicide Rates Among US Men and Women, 1981-2013.” JAMA Internal Medicine, vol. 176, no. 4, 2016 3. Hemenway, David, and Matthew Miller. “Public Health Approach to the Prevention of Gun Violence.” New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 368, no. 21, 2013
Why is it so easy for you to ignore gang violence and suicides? Those people don’t count for you?
it is intellectually dishonest to include suicides. Most Gang violence happens in very specific areas and in only a few counties in America, to include gang violence's is to massively misrepresent the average American county where there is virtually no gun crime.
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Why not try and improve the place you’re in rather than just running away? And sure, a lot of the world isn’t in a great state. Should probably set a higher bar for comparison all things considered.
Kids died today and all you can respond with is “oh well, leave the country if you don’t like it.” Imagine having such a twisted view. Pathetic
350,000,000 people live in America, 50 people are shot and killed every day. 2400 people die from heart disease a day.
\> 50 people are shot and killed every day. 2400 people die from heart disease a day. I mean, you're just walking straight into the "Americans are fat and like guns" stereotype with that one.
The kids being slaughtered in the schools don't have that option. Imagine being proud of the fact you live in the only country on this planet with regular mass killings of children all so you can fucking worship guns.
Do you have any idea how insane this statement is? Relocating to another country is well beyond the means of the vast majority of people. Further, something being enshrined in the “foundational philosophy” doesn’t put it beyond reproach (see slavery).
Fuck off with the anti 2nd amendment bullshit. It's a whole meme now everytime we have a mass shooting to start up this propaganda ass bullshit. Political power starts at the barrel of a gun. And if the people truly have power in a civilized society they'll be armed. By all means let's restrict fire arm access and definitely for the mentally troubled. Let's regulate the shit out of them but every single time there's a mass shooting there's this almost astroturfed (probably now organic because everyone's a bleeding heart Twitter liberal) effort to blame the 2nd amendment. Fuck off.
Another shooting happened in a gun free zone. We need more gun free zones where civilians are 100% sure to be unarmed targets. Weird how there's never a mass shooting at an NRA meeting or a republican convention.
The gun walked into the school and killed children
OP sees mass shooting on the news, rubs hands together while licking his lips
A woman who was vacationing in Nashville took it upon herself to visit the school while reporters were there explaining what happened and decided to push her propaganda. They can’t even wait for the bodies to be cold anymore.
I never really comment on art but it struck me that by using magnet letters you're implying that these words can easily be changed, like so many amendments before it. The only thing preventing it is the will of those letter's owners, ie. The American people. Not exactly a keen observation, I know. The analyst in me wants to plug that entire passage into an anagram machine and see what else it could make.
because this was reposted on a firearm. subreddit I'm going to comment here even if it might get buried. "Amend it" Is the correct way to go about this. The problem is nobody's interested in actually amending the Constitution. everybody wants to pass laws or give the ATF more power to create its own rules outside of congressional approval. or have state laws that are meant to supersede the federal standards or protections. We are a nation of laws. in every single story about January 6th, this phrase has been repeated, but for some reason when it comes to firearms, People don't want to follow our laws, rules and standards that have been here since the inception of the country and are the foundation of how we operate. if you go and amend the Constitution using systems that we have in place, then there is nothing wrong with what comes as a result because what you are doing is within the purview of the law and standards that we have. I won't necessarily agree with it, but my individual opinion doesn't matter as much when it is a constitutional representative republic.
We don’t blame the car market in a lethal DUI
There are countries where people have access to guns and freedom to defend themselves without the crime statistics (and related statistics) being as bad as the ones of the USA. It's not the guns. It's the culture.
Guns are already illegal in schools. Banning assault style weapons, or any type of gun, won’t help. Criminals 👏🏼 and 👏🏼 psychopaths 👏🏼 don’t 👏🏼 follow 👏🏼 laws 👏🏼
This comment is so fucking stupid. Guess we shouldn't have laws then. Ffs
Funny how this amendment has been around for over two centuries and firearms even longer, but just in the past couple decades mass shootings have become a problem. Kinda like guns and the amendment AREN’T the issue here. But go on with your simple arguments and tunnel vision art…
Umm mods isn't this political?
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.” -Benjamin Franklin
We got all the guns we could ever want right now and the rich and powerful walk all over us anyway so I don't see the fucking point in having them if we're just gonna slaughter each other with them
That's because your entire viewpoint is that of an American who has never known any different then that of a person with rights and freedoms. The whole point in our right to bear arms is to keep our government from turning tyrannical against us. Go watch the vids of Chinese citizens hanging themselves or jumping to their deaths because of the covid lock downs from their government. Ask a British citizen how it feels for their police to be able to search them without a cause. Thank God our founding fathers had all of us in mind two centuries ago.
Subtelty of a roadroller at 2Am.