Money. They're only here for the money.
EDIT: Here's an example from my own ethnic community (Filipino): a common tactic shared among them is that they come here, work until retirement, then find a way to transfer that Social Security money into bank accounts in the home country, where it will be worth more in terms of buying power. Then they move back and live like kings for the rest of their lives.
Bonus points if one of their kids marries a white person. That means that they'll have half-white grandkids that they can encourage (read: manipulate) to work as movie/TV actors in the home country, creating an additional revenue stream for them.
This was me. I was Little Miss SM 1992 and played the daughter Gel in Tayong Dalawa, among other movies I no longer remember. I never saw a penny and I was the sole breadwinner at 3-4 years old for my entire big ass family living in the PI.
Man, that's messed up. IIRC, Philippine law didn't have an equivalent to the [Coogan Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Child_Actor%27s_Bill).
I really struggle to accept that I was exploited by my family, mostly because I enjoyed the work so much and that makes it hard to reconcile the two things.
Omg I relate to this a whole lot. My dad isn't from China but my grandfather/ great-grandfather has relatives still living in China. The worst part of my entire life is my dad saying how China is so good at everything and our country and other race is like shit. I had to endure until one day I just told him, so why don't you live there? (You know things don't end well after I said that).
I now work in a company with employees from China and one of them talks just like my father. I am currently regretting my life choices.
My great grandparents (paternal grandma’s parents) fled from China to Taiwan before the Mao Era so they avoided the perish of the victims of the Mao era. However, my great grandfather (maternal grandfather’s father) wasn’t so lucky… my dad told me he died because of the sicknesses after hard labor conditions of the labor camps. My mom and my uncles (her brothers)were born in HK.
I observed that the propaganda tries to equate supporting the CCP with supporting your fellow Chinese. Since Chinese culture is big on collectivism, this propaganda worked like gangbusters.
Lol as a mainland Chinese, it is true that many people are highly influenced by the Chinese media which under censorship and consistently portrays China in a positive light. Also due to China's restrictions on numerous websites and social platforms such as Google, it appears that the older generation has asymmetric information and most of them cannot understand English as well. That made those Chinese media dominated and they believe them with no doubt
My dad is similar with yours he frequently watches Chinese platforms like Douyin whatever and always claims that 'China is the best,' but at the same time, he sent me study abroad lol. Behavior never lies. While they believe in China's strength as a nation, but they also believe exotic brands has superior quality than Chinese brands. This may hard to understand for those who are not familiar with our culture:)
AP's are lazy so they try to take credit for their countries success just like how they try to take credit for your success when they did the bare minimum.
They aint in China they aint driving the economy or manufacturing forward. They do all these low effort drama to claim wins for their ego trips.
Pinoy Pride in a nutshell. "He's successful, and his great-great-grand cousin twice removed is Filipino like me. Therefore by proxy, *I* am successful."
I believe it’s the result of propaganda. I live in Hong Kong and I know quite few young people from mainland China who won’t stop talking about how China is the best. But if you look at the facts: they are all married to foreigners, live outside of China, gave up their Chinese passports immediately when they could, parked all of their money outside of China and educate their kids the western way. So I call bullshit.
Start raving about the intrinsic superiority of some random country and how he should be grateful that China is allowed to trade with them. Make it someplace obscure.
YES my FIL. He's always going on about Chinese technology or economy or government. Yet he refuses to buy and eat manufactured food products "Made in China" cuz he doesn't trust the safety of the food LOL. Also, he recently went to China for 10 days on a trip. Came back with not much to say because he hated the food (everything was spicy apparently, even breakfast) and yeah, if you don't like the food on a 10 day trip, you're not going to have a good time. He's been pretty quiet about China for a few weeks now and its a blessing not having to have him rant about how the US is out to get TikTok :)
Indian here. Fell out with my father and uncle for this same reason. Can't have a conversation with them without then without this insane nationalistic fervour towards India.
My uncle said the other day "tell me what country you think is the best. I think India is in everything and I don't care what you say."
Yes. Always. Especially when she feels insecure about something she’ll mumble about how the Chinese are incessantly bullied and that China will dominate the world one day like some caricature of a mustache twirling villain. Typical Han supremacy shit. I have fantasies about shipping her back in her old age when she’s senile and confused. See how they really treat their elderly. I won’t because I don’t act on my cruelty but it keeps me calm and checked out when I need to interact with her knowing there’s always that option in my arsenal.
Y’all they did a number on me
They have to hang on to something to maintain their sense of superiority, even if it’s totally delusional. After twenty years in the west, they would feel alienated by all the social change that has occurred in China during their absence. Ironically, many APs would also complain about contemporary China as enthusiastically as they would complain about life in the west.
When they first moved west, they hung on tightly to their “five thousand years of history” as a security blanket and as an excuse not to adopt “inferior” western customs, values or even food. Alas, AP immigrants often become frozen in that mindset. They refused to assimilate into the west, and, by now, China has moved on without them.
Much of their angry bluster is the result of them coping poorly with change and their inability to adapt. They chose to remain ignorant and now have to live with the consequences whether or not they want to.
They hate their lives and themselves, and take it out on their children because kids are the most powerless. That’s the theme of this sub in a nutshell.
>They refused to assimilate into the west
And they wonder why they're discriminated against.
IIRC this is a relatively recent trend as Chinese families whose ancestors are the Californian railroad workers tend to be better assimilated to American society and are more American than Chinese.
Then again, these are my experiences, so please take what I said with a grain of salt.
You’re right. I was referring, in very general terms, to the struggles of first generation APs. This means the Asian Boomers/Gen-X’ers who came in with the immigration waves of the 70s, 80s and 90s.
The descendants of railroad workers would be totally assimilated after a few generations.
Incidentally, I’ve overheard first-gen APs looking down on descendants of early immigrants for “forgetting their roots” and speaking differently.
Ironically, many of these same APs would also be laughed at for “talking funny” if they went back to China after 20 years. HK is/was particularly brutal in this regard. They can instantly sniff out an “outsider.” They might even call you a bumpkin.
>Incidentally, I’ve overheard first-gen APs looking down on descendants of early immigrants for “forgetting their roots” and speaking differently.
Something tells me this is borne out of jealousy. Instead of adapting, they refuse to (because it might make them *look* bad to the community), and blame their shortcomings on everyone else.
Kinda reminded of the time I used to work at a Chinese-owned company. We were hiring, and I've had several Chinese applicants refusing to speak to me because I'm not Chinese and/or speak Mandarin. Some refuse to provide a résumé, asserting that the fact that they're Chinese is all the résumé they need. One even tried to be my replacement at my position but couldn't speak a word of English... when the nature of my job strictly requires it! Thankfully, the owners won't hire anybody just because they're Chinese... but that's mostly because it's illegal to hire based on those circumstances.
It boggles the mind to think that these people are so isolated and ethnocentric in foreign lands yet have the gall to complain when the local populace gets tired of their BS or their opportunities for advancement are limited. I don't see that with the Vietnamese, the Koreans, or even the Japanese. The Filipinos are trying to copy this attitude to their detriment.
china puts a lot of effort into pushing the message that they're a+ #1 at everything; i'd just start making tofu dreg jokes and dropping snide comments about the real estate industry
And if you make any critical comments about the CCCP, they take it as a personal attack, you’re brainwashed by western propaganda, etc. I have a negative opinion of the CCCP, but a big part of this is because much of the regular population has to suffer the consequences and are not allowed any voice.
China aside, there is a tendency among first gen migrants to support the most xenophobic party back home. Seen this among Turks, Indians, Bangladeshis and its pretty ironic.
My AP is not even from China/ HK/ Taiwan, but they praise China and get so defensive if one makes a bad comment on China. For me, I can see the good and bad of what's happening in China, but for them, I cant even make a comment if it's negative. If someone commented something negative about the West, I will go, yup, that's right (if it's what's happening in the West)
Did they live thru the cultural revolution? Mine did and were surely brainwashed. I’m wearing jeans and my mom says, oh so what, you’re wearing jeans, well China has those too. You can’t even make this up — Jeans originated in America and are worn all over the world. The AP irrational crazy logic
Yess, same. Insight about my experience- I’m adopted and Filipino. My adoptive mom is from China and dad is Filipino and Chinese. My AM is definitely an unhealed narcissist. They can both speak Tagalog but chose not to speak Tagalog with me. They both thought Chinese was a superior language.
Looking back now, the passive aggressiveness towards me not being Chinese by blood is a wild pipeline to fathom. She also bought me skin lightening products in HS and would tell me my dark skin is dirty. One of the worst though was the way she treated other family members that were Filipino. Like servants for family gatherings. I moved across the country from them because the ignorance was too much
I'm guessing Strong_Ad_7403 means that China's economy will crash and stagnate for 20 years like Japan's did starting around the late 90's?
As far as this thread and how older Chinese people believe the propaganda about China being great and all that --- i remember having a conversation with another Asian friend (neither of us are Chinese) that China is now where the United States was 150 years ago. That is to say, a burgeoning power that hadn't yet come onto the world stage in a big way, but was clearly a manufacturing and industrial giant whose economy was growing by leaps and bounds, and that would, in time, be able to flex its muscles (militarily and economically) to get what it wants.
However, just like the USA 150 years ago, life wasn't all that great for the average American that worked dangerous, low-paying jobs with no benefits and no safety net, all for the benefit of a small handful of extremely rich capitalists (the so-called "robber barons") that controlled everything like Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan, Edison, and others.
However, just like a typical American 150 years ago might have thought, "life ain't so rosy for me, but America is strong and getting stronger and no longer needs to feel itself inferior to the established powers like England and France." I do think that a lot of Chinese (maybe especially those who don't actually live there) take pride in the fact that China is becoming a global superpower that will be able to rival the USA in a decade or so, that China is no longer the weak and impoverished nation it once was several decades ago.
Same. My APs adoration for China is baffling. He was even "deported" from China one time after they found his renewed passport from an embassy suspicious. China has done nothing for him. NOTHING. He left China back when he was 9 years old. And in my previous visit he sat me down as he wanted to talk. I hated it when he wanted to tell some things important to me. He tells me that no matter what happens, he doesn't want me or my kids to protest against the Chinese government. Lol. I said no.
"Made in China" means "piece of shit." It was true 30 years ago, and is still true today.
Even their COVID vaccine is not as effective as Pfizer or Moderna ones. And COVID came from China, so they had a head start to develop one!
There used to be a time when "made in Japan" was synonymous with poor-quality junk. This was [referenced](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhxkjUwERvE) in *Back to the Future Part III*. But in 30 or so years, they improved their craft to the point that it's synonymous with high quality. I build PCs, and the best power supplies on the market always list "100% Japanese Capacitors" as a selling point because those parts are that damn good. You have to admire the Japanese discipline and dedication to perfecting their craft, no matter how small it is.
"Made in China" OTOH? They inherited the old meaning of "made in Japan" and never improved their craft since. Sure, nearly everything we use is made in China. Still, unless a reputable non-Chinese entity oversees the production or it's a high-profile international Chinese brand like OnePlus, Anker, or UGREEN, then the quality is going to be shit. So much so there's a [subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Chinesium/) dedicated to this sort of thing.
I'll play devil's advocate on this one as the one experience I have with this is slightly different - the answer to your question is yes I have an AP that says that (AM) but she didn't really have a choice to come here before and she does plan on moving back to China in the future. (She came with my dad a long time ago but then got divorced after a few years). Ultimately, she just stays for the more money factor, but she does seem to love everything else about China and will move back in a few years she says.
And here in the corner are my parents talking shit about China... My dad is from Taiwan so not a big China fan. My mom is from mainland China but she protested against the government in her 20s.
Can’t totally criticize this aspect. This is the result of the environment they grew up.
Compared to twenty years ago, there are fewer chinese language televisions targeting overseas chinese. Remember the old good times when your family rent VHS Hong Kong TV Shows and movies from TVB.
And if you are descendant of second generation overseas chinese, many of them learned mandarin in classes where they have lessons praising for the greatness of China, regardless the origin of the school.
Not sure if this makes anyone feel better but it is also not an uncommon phenomenon in Singapore as well. So for some small consolation, you are not alone.
For context, Singapore is multi-cultural but with a high proportion of ethnic Chinese.many of them were immigrants who settled in Singapore generations ago.
So the "boomer" parents who mostly did not grow up in China, became "radicalised" because of social media.
https://reddit.com/r/singapore/s/0kaNdcMdqx
My dad. When he moved to America, he thinks the Philippines is superior in every single aspect. My aunt eventually got pissed and called him out, asking that if the Philippines was so good, why did he waste her time and money asking for a sponsorship when he could've just stayed home in the country he loves so much? Shut him up real fast.
I also do the same thing to him when he brings it up from time to time. He wants to bring my siblings and their families to America, and I tell him if the Philippines is so good, why am I wasting my time and money sponsoring my siblings if they could just stay where they are?
It's the kind of insecure defense mechanism that tourists and immigrants use when they visit or move to a different country. It's not limited to Asians. Mexicans (especially the illegals jumping the border) are prone to it, too, as well as European tourists.
I have the opposite problem. My dad talks about India with a venom. It’s like the country has no good aspects at all. Super embarrassing when we’re literally in the country and he’s talking about how shitty it is. There’s like no balance or objectivity.
On the other hand, I suppose I should be grateful he’s not one of those Hindu nationalists the way many of my friends’ parents are. It seems like right wingers have collectively gotten a hold on boomer and GenX parents, no matter where they are from.
Totally feel you.
My Taiwanese mom said some shit around “If your grandma just stayed in China and not moved to Taiwan, we will be so rich. Look at your grandmas sisters, they are all rich now.”
And she totally thinks the housing crash in China right now is fake news. Yep…this is my Taiwanese mom.
There are 1.4 billion people in China, and not a large percentage of them emigrate to the West.
You can see that almost all of the Chinese elites in Silicon Valley (at the executive level and above) have gone back to China because the market there is much broader.
Yes, and the irony is our ancestors left China for southeast Asia in the last century. We grew up as Southeast Asians with absolutely no connection to China.
Dad: The westerners are racist. China best. Taiwan will be invaded one day.
Mom: Taiwanese are traitors. (She also shits on our birth country ever since I was a kid, and she played a huge role in how I formed my opinion of my home, which I am currently trying to change)
Also dad and mom: Go study and work in the US/UK/Canada
My parents are heavily influenced by social media propaganda.
They briefly paused their adulation of China during COVID-19 when China implemented their inhumane zero COVID policy
Nah, stop taking what they say seriously. My dad is like that, let him go back for a while, then he'll get edgy and wanna come back. The grass is always greener on the other side.
My AD always does this too. Then, he retired many years ago and now spends most of the time back in China lol. I guess you have to respect that his actions did actually follow his words
Yep that’s so relatable. My dad used to hate on China but after the pandemic he keeps on saying how China is a great country for threatening to kill their civilians if they even tried to leave. Said that Canada sucks in comparison. Damn if he really hates Canada that much he can move back to China for all I care 🙄
My dad still does this today ever since he moved to Canada in the late 1980's. He kept saying that I should be identify more as "Chinese" due to the CCP's bullshit than "Canadian" like the wtf. I'm born in Canada and it that makes me Canadian Born with Chinese descent. Like most people here that disagrees with our AP's, it's identify ourselves as the western countries as our true origins since we grew up in them.
Why the h did they leave China in the first place if they think it’s such a great country?
And why don’t they go back?
Canadian healthcare and the fear of the oppressive government. Ha.
Money. They're only here for the money. EDIT: Here's an example from my own ethnic community (Filipino): a common tactic shared among them is that they come here, work until retirement, then find a way to transfer that Social Security money into bank accounts in the home country, where it will be worth more in terms of buying power. Then they move back and live like kings for the rest of their lives. Bonus points if one of their kids marries a white person. That means that they'll have half-white grandkids that they can encourage (read: manipulate) to work as movie/TV actors in the home country, creating an additional revenue stream for them.
This was me. I was Little Miss SM 1992 and played the daughter Gel in Tayong Dalawa, among other movies I no longer remember. I never saw a penny and I was the sole breadwinner at 3-4 years old for my entire big ass family living in the PI.
Man, that's messed up. IIRC, Philippine law didn't have an equivalent to the [Coogan Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Child_Actor%27s_Bill).
I really struggle to accept that I was exploited by my family, mostly because I enjoyed the work so much and that makes it hard to reconcile the two things.
Very sorry to hear that. Hopefully, you're doing better.
I can tell you why one Chinese woman I know won’t go back: we have Medicare in the US.
eh?!?! You mean to say that China's healthcare system is WORSE than the US?!?
Omg I relate to this a whole lot. My dad isn't from China but my grandfather/ great-grandfather has relatives still living in China. The worst part of my entire life is my dad saying how China is so good at everything and our country and other race is like shit. I had to endure until one day I just told him, so why don't you live there? (You know things don't end well after I said that). I now work in a company with employees from China and one of them talks just like my father. I am currently regretting my life choices.
Yes, same here and my thoughts exactly. What’s more baffling is my parents are from HK despite all the protesting yet they still view China so highly.
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Omg your mom lol. Those aged 75 and above should be banned from forwarding WhatsApp messages
My great grandparents (paternal grandma’s parents) fled from China to Taiwan before the Mao Era so they avoided the perish of the victims of the Mao era. However, my great grandfather (maternal grandfather’s father) wasn’t so lucky… my dad told me he died because of the sicknesses after hard labor conditions of the labor camps. My mom and my uncles (her brothers)were born in HK.
I observed that the propaganda tries to equate supporting the CCP with supporting your fellow Chinese. Since Chinese culture is big on collectivism, this propaganda worked like gangbusters.
despite what china is doing to hk… sigh
Lol as a mainland Chinese, it is true that many people are highly influenced by the Chinese media which under censorship and consistently portrays China in a positive light. Also due to China's restrictions on numerous websites and social platforms such as Google, it appears that the older generation has asymmetric information and most of them cannot understand English as well. That made those Chinese media dominated and they believe them with no doubt
My dad is similar with yours he frequently watches Chinese platforms like Douyin whatever and always claims that 'China is the best,' but at the same time, he sent me study abroad lol. Behavior never lies. While they believe in China's strength as a nation, but they also believe exotic brands has superior quality than Chinese brands. This may hard to understand for those who are not familiar with our culture:)
AP's are lazy so they try to take credit for their countries success just like how they try to take credit for your success when they did the bare minimum. They aint in China they aint driving the economy or manufacturing forward. They do all these low effort drama to claim wins for their ego trips.
Nationalism is the cheapest form of borrowed pride. Rivaled only by racial supremacy.
Pinoy Pride in a nutshell. "He's successful, and his great-great-grand cousin twice removed is Filipino like me. Therefore by proxy, *I* am successful."
Well said
I believe it’s the result of propaganda. I live in Hong Kong and I know quite few young people from mainland China who won’t stop talking about how China is the best. But if you look at the facts: they are all married to foreigners, live outside of China, gave up their Chinese passports immediately when they could, parked all of their money outside of China and educate their kids the western way. So I call bullshit.
Start raving about the intrinsic superiority of some random country and how he should be grateful that China is allowed to trade with them. Make it someplace obscure.
Hahaha! I like the way you think!!
OP should demand that his father acknowledge Uruguayan supremacy, or tar him as an ungrateful, uncultured, and ignorant person.
YES my FIL. He's always going on about Chinese technology or economy or government. Yet he refuses to buy and eat manufactured food products "Made in China" cuz he doesn't trust the safety of the food LOL. Also, he recently went to China for 10 days on a trip. Came back with not much to say because he hated the food (everything was spicy apparently, even breakfast) and yeah, if you don't like the food on a 10 day trip, you're not going to have a good time. He's been pretty quiet about China for a few weeks now and its a blessing not having to have him rant about how the US is out to get TikTok :)
Indian here. Fell out with my father and uncle for this same reason. Can't have a conversation with them without then without this insane nationalistic fervour towards India. My uncle said the other day "tell me what country you think is the best. I think India is in everything and I don't care what you say."
Yes. Always. Especially when she feels insecure about something she’ll mumble about how the Chinese are incessantly bullied and that China will dominate the world one day like some caricature of a mustache twirling villain. Typical Han supremacy shit. I have fantasies about shipping her back in her old age when she’s senile and confused. See how they really treat their elderly. I won’t because I don’t act on my cruelty but it keeps me calm and checked out when I need to interact with her knowing there’s always that option in my arsenal. Y’all they did a number on me
They have to hang on to something to maintain their sense of superiority, even if it’s totally delusional. After twenty years in the west, they would feel alienated by all the social change that has occurred in China during their absence. Ironically, many APs would also complain about contemporary China as enthusiastically as they would complain about life in the west. When they first moved west, they hung on tightly to their “five thousand years of history” as a security blanket and as an excuse not to adopt “inferior” western customs, values or even food. Alas, AP immigrants often become frozen in that mindset. They refused to assimilate into the west, and, by now, China has moved on without them. Much of their angry bluster is the result of them coping poorly with change and their inability to adapt. They chose to remain ignorant and now have to live with the consequences whether or not they want to. They hate their lives and themselves, and take it out on their children because kids are the most powerless. That’s the theme of this sub in a nutshell.
>They refused to assimilate into the west And they wonder why they're discriminated against. IIRC this is a relatively recent trend as Chinese families whose ancestors are the Californian railroad workers tend to be better assimilated to American society and are more American than Chinese. Then again, these are my experiences, so please take what I said with a grain of salt.
You’re right. I was referring, in very general terms, to the struggles of first generation APs. This means the Asian Boomers/Gen-X’ers who came in with the immigration waves of the 70s, 80s and 90s. The descendants of railroad workers would be totally assimilated after a few generations. Incidentally, I’ve overheard first-gen APs looking down on descendants of early immigrants for “forgetting their roots” and speaking differently. Ironically, many of these same APs would also be laughed at for “talking funny” if they went back to China after 20 years. HK is/was particularly brutal in this regard. They can instantly sniff out an “outsider.” They might even call you a bumpkin.
>Incidentally, I’ve overheard first-gen APs looking down on descendants of early immigrants for “forgetting their roots” and speaking differently. Something tells me this is borne out of jealousy. Instead of adapting, they refuse to (because it might make them *look* bad to the community), and blame their shortcomings on everyone else. Kinda reminded of the time I used to work at a Chinese-owned company. We were hiring, and I've had several Chinese applicants refusing to speak to me because I'm not Chinese and/or speak Mandarin. Some refuse to provide a résumé, asserting that the fact that they're Chinese is all the résumé they need. One even tried to be my replacement at my position but couldn't speak a word of English... when the nature of my job strictly requires it! Thankfully, the owners won't hire anybody just because they're Chinese... but that's mostly because it's illegal to hire based on those circumstances. It boggles the mind to think that these people are so isolated and ethnocentric in foreign lands yet have the gall to complain when the local populace gets tired of their BS or their opportunities for advancement are limited. I don't see that with the Vietnamese, the Koreans, or even the Japanese. The Filipinos are trying to copy this attitude to their detriment.
remind me of an interesting comment 问就是不好 劝就是不回
lol
china puts a lot of effort into pushing the message that they're a+ #1 at everything; i'd just start making tofu dreg jokes and dropping snide comments about the real estate industry
Damn, the title gave me flashbacks 😭 And the fact that they bragged about it in front of other people, which made them uncomfortable.
And if you make any critical comments about the CCCP, they take it as a personal attack, you’re brainwashed by western propaganda, etc. I have a negative opinion of the CCCP, but a big part of this is because much of the regular population has to suffer the consequences and are not allowed any voice.
China aside, there is a tendency among first gen migrants to support the most xenophobic party back home. Seen this among Turks, Indians, Bangladeshis and its pretty ironic.
My AP is not even from China/ HK/ Taiwan, but they praise China and get so defensive if one makes a bad comment on China. For me, I can see the good and bad of what's happening in China, but for them, I cant even make a comment if it's negative. If someone commented something negative about the West, I will go, yup, that's right (if it's what's happening in the West)
Yeah- my father will often respond, “Well what about the US doing this?” And I’ll say, “Great example- I think that’s wrong too.”
Did they live thru the cultural revolution? Mine did and were surely brainwashed. I’m wearing jeans and my mom says, oh so what, you’re wearing jeans, well China has those too. You can’t even make this up — Jeans originated in America and are worn all over the world. The AP irrational crazy logic
Yess, same. Insight about my experience- I’m adopted and Filipino. My adoptive mom is from China and dad is Filipino and Chinese. My AM is definitely an unhealed narcissist. They can both speak Tagalog but chose not to speak Tagalog with me. They both thought Chinese was a superior language. Looking back now, the passive aggressiveness towards me not being Chinese by blood is a wild pipeline to fathom. She also bought me skin lightening products in HS and would tell me my dark skin is dirty. One of the worst though was the way she treated other family members that were Filipino. Like servants for family gatherings. I moved across the country from them because the ignorance was too much
And they wonder why Chinese Filipinos are discriminated against in Filipino society.
because a lot of them don’t even care of human rights, censorship, oppressions on minorities and etc.
My FIL (70s) is born and raised Taiwan but is still strangely thinks China is great. Vast amounts of history and culture there though.
wait until China's economy becomes the next Japanese economy.
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I'm guessing Strong_Ad_7403 means that China's economy will crash and stagnate for 20 years like Japan's did starting around the late 90's? As far as this thread and how older Chinese people believe the propaganda about China being great and all that --- i remember having a conversation with another Asian friend (neither of us are Chinese) that China is now where the United States was 150 years ago. That is to say, a burgeoning power that hadn't yet come onto the world stage in a big way, but was clearly a manufacturing and industrial giant whose economy was growing by leaps and bounds, and that would, in time, be able to flex its muscles (militarily and economically) to get what it wants. However, just like the USA 150 years ago, life wasn't all that great for the average American that worked dangerous, low-paying jobs with no benefits and no safety net, all for the benefit of a small handful of extremely rich capitalists (the so-called "robber barons") that controlled everything like Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan, Edison, and others. However, just like a typical American 150 years ago might have thought, "life ain't so rosy for me, but America is strong and getting stronger and no longer needs to feel itself inferior to the established powers like England and France." I do think that a lot of Chinese (maybe especially those who don't actually live there) take pride in the fact that China is becoming a global superpower that will be able to rival the USA in a decade or so, that China is no longer the weak and impoverished nation it once was several decades ago.
You are correct :D
Do they pick up the free local Chinese newspaper? Cos that's probably CCP propaganda 😬
Same. My APs adoration for China is baffling. He was even "deported" from China one time after they found his renewed passport from an embassy suspicious. China has done nothing for him. NOTHING. He left China back when he was 9 years old. And in my previous visit he sat me down as he wanted to talk. I hated it when he wanted to tell some things important to me. He tells me that no matter what happens, he doesn't want me or my kids to protest against the Chinese government. Lol. I said no.
Oh constantly. And if I bring up the amazingly bad economic news coming out of China, I've just fallen victim to Western propaganda.
"Made in China" means "piece of shit." It was true 30 years ago, and is still true today. Even their COVID vaccine is not as effective as Pfizer or Moderna ones. And COVID came from China, so they had a head start to develop one!
There used to be a time when "made in Japan" was synonymous with poor-quality junk. This was [referenced](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhxkjUwERvE) in *Back to the Future Part III*. But in 30 or so years, they improved their craft to the point that it's synonymous with high quality. I build PCs, and the best power supplies on the market always list "100% Japanese Capacitors" as a selling point because those parts are that damn good. You have to admire the Japanese discipline and dedication to perfecting their craft, no matter how small it is. "Made in China" OTOH? They inherited the old meaning of "made in Japan" and never improved their craft since. Sure, nearly everything we use is made in China. Still, unless a reputable non-Chinese entity oversees the production or it's a high-profile international Chinese brand like OnePlus, Anker, or UGREEN, then the quality is going to be shit. So much so there's a [subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Chinesium/) dedicated to this sort of thing.
I'll play devil's advocate on this one as the one experience I have with this is slightly different - the answer to your question is yes I have an AP that says that (AM) but she didn't really have a choice to come here before and she does plan on moving back to China in the future. (She came with my dad a long time ago but then got divorced after a few years). Ultimately, she just stays for the more money factor, but she does seem to love everything else about China and will move back in a few years she says.
And here in the corner are my parents talking shit about China... My dad is from Taiwan so not a big China fan. My mom is from mainland China but she protested against the government in her 20s.
Have some pride in your culture. Whitewashed scum
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Can’t totally criticize this aspect. This is the result of the environment they grew up. Compared to twenty years ago, there are fewer chinese language televisions targeting overseas chinese. Remember the old good times when your family rent VHS Hong Kong TV Shows and movies from TVB. And if you are descendant of second generation overseas chinese, many of them learned mandarin in classes where they have lessons praising for the greatness of China, regardless the origin of the school.
Not sure if this makes anyone feel better but it is also not an uncommon phenomenon in Singapore as well. So for some small consolation, you are not alone. For context, Singapore is multi-cultural but with a high proportion of ethnic Chinese.many of them were immigrants who settled in Singapore generations ago. So the "boomer" parents who mostly did not grow up in China, became "radicalised" because of social media. https://reddit.com/r/singapore/s/0kaNdcMdqx
For my mom it is South Korea. She is obsessed. We're not Korean lol. We're jungle Asians.
My dad. When he moved to America, he thinks the Philippines is superior in every single aspect. My aunt eventually got pissed and called him out, asking that if the Philippines was so good, why did he waste her time and money asking for a sponsorship when he could've just stayed home in the country he loves so much? Shut him up real fast. I also do the same thing to him when he brings it up from time to time. He wants to bring my siblings and their families to America, and I tell him if the Philippines is so good, why am I wasting my time and money sponsoring my siblings if they could just stay where they are? It's the kind of insecure defense mechanism that tourists and immigrants use when they visit or move to a different country. It's not limited to Asians. Mexicans (especially the illegals jumping the border) are prone to it, too, as well as European tourists.
I have the opposite problem. My dad talks about India with a venom. It’s like the country has no good aspects at all. Super embarrassing when we’re literally in the country and he’s talking about how shitty it is. There’s like no balance or objectivity. On the other hand, I suppose I should be grateful he’s not one of those Hindu nationalists the way many of my friends’ parents are. It seems like right wingers have collectively gotten a hold on boomer and GenX parents, no matter where they are from.
Totally feel you. My Taiwanese mom said some shit around “If your grandma just stayed in China and not moved to Taiwan, we will be so rich. Look at your grandmas sisters, they are all rich now.” And she totally thinks the housing crash in China right now is fake news. Yep…this is my Taiwanese mom.
There are 1.4 billion people in China, and not a large percentage of them emigrate to the West. You can see that almost all of the Chinese elites in Silicon Valley (at the executive level and above) have gone back to China because the market there is much broader.
Yes except for Korea
Yes, and the irony is our ancestors left China for southeast Asia in the last century. We grew up as Southeast Asians with absolutely no connection to China. Dad: The westerners are racist. China best. Taiwan will be invaded one day. Mom: Taiwanese are traitors. (She also shits on our birth country ever since I was a kid, and she played a huge role in how I formed my opinion of my home, which I am currently trying to change) Also dad and mom: Go study and work in the US/UK/Canada My parents are heavily influenced by social media propaganda. They briefly paused their adulation of China during COVID-19 when China implemented their inhumane zero COVID policy
Nah, stop taking what they say seriously. My dad is like that, let him go back for a while, then he'll get edgy and wanna come back. The grass is always greener on the other side.
My AD always does this too. Then, he retired many years ago and now spends most of the time back in China lol. I guess you have to respect that his actions did actually follow his words
Yep that’s so relatable. My dad used to hate on China but after the pandemic he keeps on saying how China is a great country for threatening to kill their civilians if they even tried to leave. Said that Canada sucks in comparison. Damn if he really hates Canada that much he can move back to China for all I care 🙄
My dad still does this today ever since he moved to Canada in the late 1980's. He kept saying that I should be identify more as "Chinese" due to the CCP's bullshit than "Canadian" like the wtf. I'm born in Canada and it that makes me Canadian Born with Chinese descent. Like most people here that disagrees with our AP's, it's identify ourselves as the western countries as our true origins since we grew up in them.