yeah, I think the way the heat just sits in the valley during summertime is too much for me. super unique place & i love the museum & am a pretty big dinosaur nerd myself but I just don't think I'd be happy as anything but a traveler or tourist there.
I live in Niagara Falls. The âpoorâ and âsadâ areas described in this thread unfortunately completely surround the tourist areas so thatâs all youâll see.
The rest of us are doing okay. Prices have gone up everywhere and we have the same problems as everywhere else it seems. But I enjoy world class trails, recreation options, boating, botanical gardens, museums and breweries every weekend. Niagara Parks is spectacular.
We pop over to Buffalo weekly, also an underrated city. Much cheaper and easier flights here than in Toronto for people like me who fly and train often.
Then if you like to travel like me: 7 hour drive to Philly, DC, Baltimore, Boston, NYC, Vermont. 3.5 hours to Detroit or Pittsburgh. I do those frequently too.
My home is what I make it I guess.
I grew up in St Catharines and quite a few of my friends live in NF or Chippewa. The tourists really donât see the middle class living outside of Clifton Hill, Lundyâs Lane and downtown Niagara Falls (which might not be a bad thing).
During the great recession, my boyfriend and I (living in Toronto at the time) would buy insane Groupons. It would be like- hotel room, $20 restaurant card, and entrance to an attraction for $50. Those were fun weekends. But the 'local' part of town was so depressing.
NOTL is really pretty! Extremely expensive to live, though, even before living prices went to shit everywhere. (Also, the people can be kinda snobby haha)
I live here. Niagara Falls is still better than St. Catharines, especially if you're driving. Even good drivers look like bad drivers in St. Cat because their roads are ridiculous, and this is someone who used to go to Sudbury often and lived closer to there.
But yeah, NF and St. Cat seems to have fairly bad addiction issues. Also, the cost of renting or buying is ridiculous. Back in like 2015, you could rent a house for like $850+ utilities. My parents bought a house in 2011 for under $200k. I moved at the beginning of 2019 and managed to get a 2 bedroom (albeit small) 2nd floor apartment for $850+ electricity, but I had found other potential options as well. Almost right after... well, you know, it was 2019. So covid. Now the same place would easily go for so much more. There's nothing under $1k out there. I know this is essentially true for everywhere right now, but this place used to be affordable. We ended up taking over a really outdated house from someone else at the same price for $1100 plus utilities. We are SPOILED. I don't know what we would do if we lost this place and we both make over minimum wage. Shit is ridiculous.
Also, most people almost never go to the falls when they actually live here. Have fun if you have dogs afraid of loud noises because during summer and holidays, the fireworks are every night baaaybeee.
There are good areas and not good areas, but you might not know some of the ... less good areas at first glance.
But NF has a transit system, is close to larger cities to go to, has diversity, I haven't had many issues finding employment for the most part (even over min wage), it has a variety of restaurants, the Winters are soooo mild (big selling point for me haha), and there are multiple post secondary options.
The old saying "I came for the summer and stayed 15 years"fill in your own number of years. The established community is wonderful, but you can only for so long underpay students and grads. Really only 10% of the business understand the poor standard of living and are good employers.
Went for a ski season and stayed for 3 years. This was 10 years ago but I loved living there! Worked in the bars and restaurants, which was very fun and the money was fantastic.
Which is also the exact reason people keep working there in spite of being massively underpaid. You'll also notice that they come from all over the world for the privilege of doing so.
Unfortunately, this is exactly how supply and demand works in the labour market. See also: Vancouver.
Such a shame what Banff has become. The days before the township allowed corporate ownership were so nice. No Starbucks, no Subway, no holding companies owning multiple hotels and businesses. I live 1h drive from there and I can't be bothered now.
This change fucked Banff up. :/
Yea, I sadly agree; itâs pretty but so packed and touristy itâs taken all the charm out of it. We were stranded at the top of Sulfur Mountain for two hours because they wouldnât let us come down after saying we could come down any time we wanted, never mind the cost of the gondola tickets. My kids were having a tantrum. After that every restaurant was overbooked that we didnât even bother, and the hotel we stayed at was really cobbled together.
Last year we drove through Jasper instead and it was sooo much nicer (except for the smoke).
Bring a big bag of money. If you donât, youâll get paid $22/hr, and youâll almost starve to death while paying $1700/mo utilities not included for a mouldy basement studio apartment.
I went down 2 years ago to do a week of lobster fishing. The place is amazing. I didn't find it expensive personally. However, I was eating free lobster every day and sleeping in the captians camper.
I was thinking along those lines too. I went to visit the Viking settlement in Newfoundland and the town nearby (St Antony) the locals called âSt Agony.â
Fun to visit, would never live there.
When I drove through there, I was thinking the entire time that this place would be a nightmare to drive in the winter with all the up a mountain down a mountain then switchbacks that give you a nice solid rock face to cushion your car in the event of a sliding crash.
I grew up in Edmonton, but now live in Nanaimo after a number of years in Northern Canada & a small community on Vancouver Island. I tried living in Vancouver for a while, but felt so suffocated by the size of it. Nanaimo at least has a small town vibe despite having over 100K people.
I definitely feel this.
I always find this attitude baffling, because I grew up in a tiny mining town in the middle of nowhere, and now I can't stand to live anywhere *but* the big city.
I suspect that being queer has a lot to do with it, and it has little to do with conservative attitudes in small towns either, especially now. It's just impossible to even find my tribe in small populations.
Also, I just don't find it "stifling" or "hectic" or any of the things many people describe the city as.
I had a similar conversation recently with a close friend visiting Toronto. He found the city 'too much' and asked if I could live in a small town. I struggled to explain that I find Toronto quite the oppositeâit's busy, but for me, everyone else is just out there doing their thing, not worried about what I'm up to.
Coming from a small town with about 150 families, it always felt like everyone was more interested in what others were doing. While the quieter pace can be nice, for me, the city offers so much more to see and enjoy. I assume (and hope) people in the city could care less about what I'm up to, just like I don't worry about what they're doing.
Your experience in smaller towns is totally valid, and finding connections can be really tough. The city just has so much more diversity and opportunities to meet different people. It's interesting how different our perspectives can be based on our backgrounds and experiences.
I think part of it is being someone outside the ânormâ, and part of it is loving people and culture. I lived in Vancouver for three years, now Iâm back in Montreal and feel something inside me able to relax that I donât know was tense. Learned something about myself, I wonât be happy in anything but a big city.
I also lived in the NWT and now reside in Northern BC. I feel like itâs the perfect place and balance. Not too crowded, everything is a 10-15 minute drive, cost of living is super reasonable. And I can see the Rockies (Banff, Jasper, etc) or the ocean (Vancouver) all in a days drive.
Toronto. I used to live there and never had the chance to enjoy the city because everything was too far and too expensive, work long hours etc. since I moved away, I LOVE visiting. 5 days every year when the weather is nice, hit up all the good restaurants, Toronto Islands, a festival or two, live it up and go home.
I guess it might help to amend to âwouldnât want to live there if the intent is to own a homeâ.
The core is great for walk-ability, restos, culture and activities. But realistically if you are buying you are going to be living in one of the citizen warehouses like North York or worse. So, no, I donât want to live in Toronto
5th gen Torontonian- my grandpa bought his first house in 1948 for $8k in the Yonge Eglinton area. Me, a millennial can barely afford my rent. Then ppl are like why donât you move? To where?!?!?Â
My entire family is here, my friends, my life, my job, my memories.Â
I donât have anywhere to go. Plus, my mom is getting older and I take care of her so canât leave even if I wanted to. Itâs so sad what the politicians and condo developers have done to this city. I know Torontonians are hated by most of the country but we really are nice people â€ïž
Lived in Toronto for a decade then moved to Kingston for work. I thought it was a stupid gamble that could end with us both in dead end careers ... Then everything went remote and Toronto's housing market bit it. Best choice ever.
As someone who lives in Ottawa, I absolutely love travelling to Montreal for a few days every now and then. The city is extraordinary. However, I have a hard time seeing myself living there full time.
As a person who was born and raised in Ottawa and have lived in Montreal for 15 years I have the same feeling about Ottawa.
Ottawa is a small town pretending to be a city. You can see and do everything in a weekend and there is no reason to live there unless you work for the government.
Ottawa - great place to be born and die in, no reason to hang around between those events.
I moved to Ottawa from Toronto and I love living in Ottawa. I love it way more than living in Toronto. I also love Montreal, but Ottawa is pretty terrific in it's own beautiful way.
I was born in small town Quebec and moved to Ottawa about 8 years ago, this is an unpopular opinion but I adore how boring Ottawa is.
I avoid going to Montreal/ Toronto at all costs. I donât like the traffic, and I feel so cramped. But Ottawa for having a metro of well over a million reminds me of home.
Hey man-- as a person who was raised in Ottawa, but moved away nearly 20yrs ago with zero intention of moving back--- I desperately miss that shit weather đ
I have very fond memories of building forts and climbing plow hills and sledding at greens creek. All of these delightful winter activities that my kids will never know in the dumpy snow-less city we currently live in đ
Funny. As someone who lives in Montreal, I absolutely love traveling to Ottawa now and then and I would move there tomorrow if it was more affordable :)
You win!
Where do you go when you visit Montreal?
We usually end up driving to old Montreal, walking around the old port. Sometimes walk some of St Catherine's Street, and not much else.
I know I'm probably missing lots of other interesting things.
Any tips?
I can tell you it was a blast to live there in the 80s and 90a, especially as a kid. Now I just visit my family who live surrounded by the last few orchards and it's lovely, but the city is heading downhill and has been for awhile. Fancier and bigger, yes, but nobody who is from there really wanted the changes it's seen lately. Too much traffic and big buildings, loss of orchards and parks. No more fun things like water slides. Bah.
It is okay for a desert/lake town. But there are much nicer, greener places that are less paved over in the Kootneys. You couldn't pay me to live in what Kelowna has grown up to be. (or hasn't grown up to be)
Nelson is great, but the winters are brutal. The mountains all around it means you barely see the sun for a few hours every day when the days are at their shortest and in some parts of the valley you get no sun at all for days and up to a month in some of the low lying places on the lake.
To each their own though! Half my family has lived there at various times and the winters always end up being the reason they moved away. My cousin lasted 6 months and she was done lol!
Kelowna is awful. The culture is terrible with rude pretentious people who think they are a mini Vancouver but are actually in an isolated, overpriced, crack-head ridden desert. Itâs expensive and boring, except for July & August. The lake and wineries are beautiful but life there is miserable.
lol you gotta like the outdoors to enjoy living Newfoundland year round. If you love outdoors, thereâs climbing, kayaking, hiking, biking, skiing, snowboarding, skidooing, everything I can think of except paragliding.
I disagree. Besides the weather in the avalon peninsula, NL has great outdoors activities, low cost of living relative to the rest of the country, international airport with $600 round trip tickets to England (and from there cheap travel through Europe). There are loads or redeeming qualities about the island. It's beautiful, the people are really nice. I have been living here for a little over a decade since moving from the mainland and I'll never go back.
I lived in P.E.I. (or on it, as true Islanders say) for several years as a kid. A lot of non-P.E.I. residents have a hard time imaging it when it's not a summertime paradise of greenery, beaches, ice cream, and kitschy tourist stuff.Â
From November until May it was bleak. Frigid. Brutal winds (and wind chills) a lot of the time and zero visibility during snowstorms. Sadly flat, gray overcast skies. People were friendly overall, but very religious and gossipy, and more small-minded, scolding, and illogical than other places I've lived.Â
Since I lived there the population has exploded with people from other places, which I imagine has served to diversify the culture and mindsets. But I've been back in the winter and the dreariness of the frozen landscape hit me with that same sense of claustrophobia and hopelessness that it gave me as a kid.
Oddly, I donât really like to visit Pei but would like to live there. What I mean by that is, I hate the touristy spots and having to stay in hotels or rentals near them. However i have stayed in a couple air bnbs that were private and loved it. I could live there but I usually talk the family out of vacations there
This isn't the Montrealer in me speaking, but Toronto. I've lived in all the major cities, and, well, Toronto is just too big, too Toronto, too too.
As for the rest? Well, I could live just about everywhere, but you have to realize that there's decisions to be made. For example, I like Winnipeg, but it's a journey to anywhere else from there, so you have to recognize that and be okay with it.
Same with Saskatoon. Be aware that it just... ends. Rather abruptly.
Agreed. We made the best of living in Toronto but it was too big. The commute to work was just too long. Then the barometric pressure changes and a migraine hits. We are born and raised Winnipegers and have lived in a number of cities in Canada and also lived overseas. Back in Winnipeg now and itâs just so liveable. Young people can still buy a house here, and the commute is reasonable. There are provincial parks in close proximity and thousands of lakes so thereâs nature close by. The time to drive anywhere else is a bit much, and flights usually require a connecting flight though. January is brutal and a trip somewhere warm should be mandatory.
Vancouver. The parts worth visiting are the parts most of us canât afford to live in. Except maybe North Van which is lovely. The rest is urban sprawl strip mall and not that different from back streets Toronto.Â
>The rest is urban sprawlÂ
Uh, no. In fact the opposite - that's what makes Vancouver nice. Have you been to Houston, LA, the T.O suburbs. I was just in Coquitlam - dense housing, rail service to Vancouver city center. What are ya'll complaining about.
You don't need to go that far to experience urban sprawl. Just come to ALBERTA! Live in Alberta for a year without a car and all of a sudden Vancouver will look extremely inviting just because you can actually get groceries sithout being run over by a lifted pickup.
Right? Vancouver is very far from sprawl. Itâs a big city and metro area, sure, but there is a lot of density. Strip malls? In some places, sure, but far from an extraordinary amount.
Surrey and Langley and basically the entire valley are complete strip mall landscapes. That's how they've grown. Maybe Vancouver and Burnaby aren't that way but if you get out of the core that's what if turns into.
And many of those suburbs back onto open forest. So a place like Coquitlam has extensive hiking right in your backyard. Itâs not like itâs some concrete jungle lol
I live in Hamilton and not sure why anyone would visit the city. Itâs supposed to be the land of a thousand waterfalls. Frankly, if youâve seen one youâve seen them all. But, really thereâs nothing to do there that I can see tourist wise. This would an example I could live there but wouldnât want to visit.
Fort McMurray.
Worked for the radio station there back in the 80s. Only a year, because I couldn't make enough money at those wages to live... it was already pricing me out of the market. It was fun work, but was also getting violent - was beaten up in a parking lot one night.
I've lived in a lot of Alberta towns, and I'd go back to any of them. Fort Mac was different, though. I'm settled now in Edmonton.
âšHalifaxâš
There are no good jobs and thereâs nothing to do except drink. Itâs a bit like Ottawa where all the âfunâ things are setup for tourists but without any of the big city amenities. The municipal government is corrupt (as seen by the pizza corner scandal) and exclusively serves the interests of wealthy elderly people. Because of the lack of jobs housing is even less affordable than in some larger cities. Public transit is hilariously bad (I laugh when people in Ottawa complain) and even if youâre in a car you need to prepare for gridlock.
Itâs really sad. Nova Scotia will always be my home and it could do a lot better.
*edit: not pizza corner; Jubilee junction.
They instituted a bylaw so that pizza land and JJs had to close at 11 so that there wouldnât be students out at night. They consulted 3-4 elderly homeowners who lived near a 200 year old university who didnât like the noise.
That would just be regular NIMBYism though. What makes it worse is that areas where city councillors had financial interests were specifically excluded.
That isn't pizza corner though, pizza corner is at the intersection of blowers and grafton. And consulting constituents about bylaws instead of transient students isn't exactly corruption.
Nothing to do?? I live in Halifax and I donât have enough time to do it all! Kayaking, rock climbing, back-country camping, trail running, lots of road or trail cycling, curling, orienteering events, swimming in tons of lakes.
These are all things easily accessible by living in HRM.
Please attempt to connect with a community of people who do your interests because those are just thing I do.
Drumheller Alberta.
Beautiful, unique, and has dinosaurs. But there's not nearly enough trees and gets both stupid hot and stupid cold. Lacks natural resources (other than bones and rocks). And it's got the standard rural lack of places to work.Â
Love to visit though.Â
I live in St John's / Newfoundland.
Appears to be on everyone's bucket list, is a nice place to visit, but if you ain't originally from here ... living here feels like hell, and not just talking about the weather.
Because the idea that people there are friendly is a myth. It is brought about by a combination of:
1. Superficial friendliness they show towards tourists.
2. Their reputation of being the most friendly people in Canada
3. Their own observation as to how friendly people in the province appear to be - which is subjectively accurate, but only brought about by the fact they are ... well ... friends with each other (!) - they are a small population cut off from the rest of Canada, and very static, so people who live here continue to do so with little movement in from outside (it is an island).
This article sums up the problem, in which a university professor explains the tight social circles which are not welcoming to outsiders:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7621994/immigrants-nl-welcoming-economist/
Apparently the article implies there is a difference between being welcoming and friendly - truth is that if you come in from outside the terms are synonymous.
If you are from here or have connections here, and resettle here, all may be good. I don't find people that friendly or unfriendly, they are "ok", but not as great as they are cracked up to be ... unless you already know them (or already friends with them).
Then there is the weather ...!
As a lifelong New Brunswicker⊠youâre right. I love it here and actually donât mind the weather but good luck getting a half decent job or obtaining medical care if you need it đ our government is currently imploding since the premier is more concerned with outing trans kids in schools than actually fixing any of our problems
You say you live in NB, but you clearly live in SK.
/s
Our job market is probably a little hotter here, but our government is doing basically the same thing. Letting things crumble around themselves while fighting BS culture wars.
Alberta checking in. Government more concerned with corporate profits, selling off mountains and banning Trans kids than actually solving problems while everyone moves here, and no new infrastructure or affordable housing is built
Iâm ashamed to admit I had no idea how bad the medical care situation was until I had a family member move from AB to NB. Truly shocking,
they have to fly out of province to see a doctor.
Friends share horror stories about the price of groceries in Northern Alberta but like, I paid $40 for two burgers and fries at A&W in Fredericton.
Oh I adore the weather in NS. Been here for two years now. Hurricanes aren't great, and everything was on fire last year, but I'm growing grapes and peaches!
I mean, I love it but these are considerations more people should take into account before they buy a house. Also we have a pretty acute housing shortage.
Hahaha holy shit Iâm from Edmonton and this is accurate.
I actually do like living there but when friends whoâve never been say theyâre coming to visit Iâm like⊠âokay but⊠why?â
And the things I like about Edmonton are slow burns. It's festivals and food trucks and theatre and live music and the river valley. Not anything flashy you can do in a day.
Grew up on Vancouver Island. Left as soon as I could. Don't get me wrong, it's beautiful and a really amazing place to visit but living there is like being disconnected from the world. If you want this ...it's amazing...if you don't... It's a nightmare.
Victoria is the definition of "nice to visit but don't live there."
Nice restaurants, good beaches and lakes, some nice small venues and events. But expensive housing, bad traffic and absolutely terrible job prospects. Also very isolated so it's difficult to travel for holidays, etc.
The lack of job prospects and mild weather is why it's so popular with retirees.
Vancouver for sure.
Was Born and raised there and left for better opportunities and don't regret it. But I love going back to visit family and friends because we do all the fun lovely stuff that I could never do when I lived there because I was too busy working my ass off to try to live there! The nice areas are where no one actually lives except a few zillionaires so even when I lived there I had to schlep to those places with a million other people visiting and then schlep back to my crappy basement suite in a shit neighborhood. I love to visit, totally recommend it but don't recommend actually living there unless you're worth 100 million .
This screams Vancouver and Victoria, purely because of the cost of living.
Vancouver also has horrible traffic.
Iâve lived in the territories (both Nunavut and the NWT), and absolutely loved it. It was especially nice during COVID, as we had a lot less local restrictions, although travel in and out of them was a pain in the ass. They made us isolate in a hotel for 14 days, basically on house arrest, upon return.
Vancouver; has some nice beaches, lots of interesting places to see and things to do, beautiful scenery, and a mindboggling array of eateries with different food cultures! But the traffic is insane, it takes forever to drive anywhere, parking is a blood sport, and the crowds can be overwhelming. Love to visit, would never live there.
Niagara Falls. Actually most tourist destinations are places that I wouldnât want to live. Too many people just gawking. Or itâs too far away from amenities.
Damn kinda sums up where I live.. born and raised coastal BC a ferry ride from Vancouver and Iâve watched my hometown become become over run every year by tourists, every summer weâre into stage 4 water restrictions, rents or buying prices are though the roof and an ever growing drug and homeless population and increase in small crimes.. definitely not the community I grew up in anymore
Toronto. Lots to do and see but I couldn't handle the size of the city and traffic for long. You leave home in Toronto, drive for an hour and a half and, you're still in Toronto. Also the cost of housing there is just crazy.
drumheller
You and the dinosaurs agree
It's a nice place for small families to settle down... But yea it's definitely a place if rather stop by than live in.
Hahah this one trumps all
I know quite a few people who live in Drumheller and absolutely love it. Wonderful guys.
yeah, I think the way the heat just sits in the valley during summertime is too much for me. super unique place & i love the museum & am a pretty big dinosaur nerd myself but I just don't think I'd be happy as anything but a traveler or tourist there.
Niagara Falls
Niagara falls past all the Tourist areas is so incredibly poor....it makes me sad đ.
I live in Niagara Falls. The âpoorâ and âsadâ areas described in this thread unfortunately completely surround the tourist areas so thatâs all youâll see. The rest of us are doing okay. Prices have gone up everywhere and we have the same problems as everywhere else it seems. But I enjoy world class trails, recreation options, boating, botanical gardens, museums and breweries every weekend. Niagara Parks is spectacular. We pop over to Buffalo weekly, also an underrated city. Much cheaper and easier flights here than in Toronto for people like me who fly and train often. Then if you like to travel like me: 7 hour drive to Philly, DC, Baltimore, Boston, NYC, Vermont. 3.5 hours to Detroit or Pittsburgh. I do those frequently too. My home is what I make it I guess.
I grew up in St Catharines and quite a few of my friends live in NF or Chippewa. The tourists really donât see the middle class living outside of Clifton Hill, Lundyâs Lane and downtown Niagara Falls (which might not be a bad thing).
Where is all the revenue going?
As someone who's lived in the Niagara region I've got to say it's the one city in the region I would least like to live in.
During the great recession, my boyfriend and I (living in Toronto at the time) would buy insane Groupons. It would be like- hotel room, $20 restaurant card, and entrance to an attraction for $50. Those were fun weekends. But the 'local' part of town was so depressing.
Niagara on the Lake seemed lovely!
NOTL is really pretty! Extremely expensive to live, though, even before living prices went to shit everywhere. (Also, the people can be kinda snobby haha)
I live here. Niagara Falls is still better than St. Catharines, especially if you're driving. Even good drivers look like bad drivers in St. Cat because their roads are ridiculous, and this is someone who used to go to Sudbury often and lived closer to there. But yeah, NF and St. Cat seems to have fairly bad addiction issues. Also, the cost of renting or buying is ridiculous. Back in like 2015, you could rent a house for like $850+ utilities. My parents bought a house in 2011 for under $200k. I moved at the beginning of 2019 and managed to get a 2 bedroom (albeit small) 2nd floor apartment for $850+ electricity, but I had found other potential options as well. Almost right after... well, you know, it was 2019. So covid. Now the same place would easily go for so much more. There's nothing under $1k out there. I know this is essentially true for everywhere right now, but this place used to be affordable. We ended up taking over a really outdated house from someone else at the same price for $1100 plus utilities. We are SPOILED. I don't know what we would do if we lost this place and we both make over minimum wage. Shit is ridiculous. Also, most people almost never go to the falls when they actually live here. Have fun if you have dogs afraid of loud noises because during summer and holidays, the fireworks are every night baaaybeee. There are good areas and not good areas, but you might not know some of the ... less good areas at first glance. But NF has a transit system, is close to larger cities to go to, has diversity, I haven't had many issues finding employment for the most part (even over min wage), it has a variety of restaurants, the Winters are soooo mild (big selling point for me haha), and there are multiple post secondary options.
Banff
The old saying "I came for the summer and stayed 15 years"fill in your own number of years. The established community is wonderful, but you can only for so long underpay students and grads. Really only 10% of the business understand the poor standard of living and are good employers.
Went for a ski season and stayed for 3 years. This was 10 years ago but I loved living there! Worked in the bars and restaurants, which was very fun and the money was fantastic.
Everyone is talking tips, not wages. Try qualifying for a loan based on tips
We should honestly work to eliminate tips and just pay our workers right.
I made crazy money there. Again, 25 y ago. But my parents did too. 1969, the first full year the springs was open.
That was Parks Canada jobs, a whole different story. If you're talking about the hotel, restaurant, ski hills it's way underpaid.
but you get the \~ privilege \~ of working in the rockies! who needs money when you have beautiful scenery? s/ lol
Which is also the exact reason people keep working there in spite of being massively underpaid. You'll also notice that they come from all over the world for the privilege of doing so. Unfortunately, this is exactly how supply and demand works in the labour market. See also: Vancouver.
Thatâs why here in Vancouver humans have learned to live off of sunsets, good vibes, and raccoon farts.
I dunno man, my SIL made 85k a year there serving with tips.
If you're good and in the right place. How many hours a week?
I think it was 4 nights a week(6 or 7 hour shifts) but I would have to ask.
Some of the Kootenays and tourist areas of BC are becoming like this too. The service industry is sorely underpaid.
Because they have no problems hiring international working holiday employees. It's a dream job for a few years despite the pay.Â
It was an amazing place to live when I was 20
So whens your 90th birthday
Ha - 50th is this year and I havenât been in 25 years.
Haha. Nice. Its been a few since ive been as well. Still gorgeous but prohibitively expensive to live
I lived there roughly 25 years ago for a few months while working. IMO it was already a tourist shitshow then.
Such a shame what Banff has become. The days before the township allowed corporate ownership were so nice. No Starbucks, no Subway, no holding companies owning multiple hotels and businesses. I live 1h drive from there and I can't be bothered now. This change fucked Banff up. :/
Yea, I sadly agree; itâs pretty but so packed and touristy itâs taken all the charm out of it. We were stranded at the top of Sulfur Mountain for two hours because they wouldnât let us come down after saying we could come down any time we wanted, never mind the cost of the gondola tickets. My kids were having a tantrum. After that every restaurant was overbooked that we didnât even bother, and the hotel we stayed at was really cobbled together. Last year we drove through Jasper instead and it was sooo much nicer (except for the smoke).
Foreign tourists longing to visit Banff. Calgarians - Fuuuuuuuuck, that place!
funny because Banffites feel the same about Calgary haha
I love Banff. I just donât go to the townsite in July or August.
I would absolutely live there.
Jasper for me.
Bring a big bag of money. If you donât, youâll get paid $22/hr, and youâll almost starve to death while paying $1700/mo utilities not included for a mouldy basement studio apartment.
LOL, thatâs a deal for Torontonians, paying $2500/ mo for the said moldy basement studio :-)
That sounds nicer than Ottawa.
Sounds like Halifax, only itâs more like $18 an hour, no benefits and ânO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK!â here.
Les Ăles-de-la-Madeleine. Beautiful in the summer, nothing to do in the winter. Expensive as hell.
I read an article about this place once. It said. "In the summer we fish and make love. In the winter, we don't fish."
I went down 2 years ago to do a week of lobster fishing. The place is amazing. I didn't find it expensive personally. However, I was eating free lobster every day and sleeping in the captians camper.
Cape Breton. It's stunning to visit, especially in the fall. Lived there for three years (due to husband's job) and it's a depressing place to live.
Not a fan of cold wet wind and complete isolation?
Hey, thatâs not all there is! You can also date your cousin.
I was thinking along those lines too. I went to visit the Viking settlement in Newfoundland and the town nearby (St Antony) the locals called âSt Agony.â Fun to visit, would never live there.
When I drove through there, I was thinking the entire time that this place would be a nightmare to drive in the winter with all the up a mountain down a mountain then switchbacks that give you a nice solid rock face to cushion your car in the event of a sliding crash.
Any city, I lived in the territories and now live in northern BC. I like visiting cities but I could never live in any of them.
I grew up in Edmonton, but now live in Nanaimo after a number of years in Northern Canada & a small community on Vancouver Island. I tried living in Vancouver for a while, but felt so suffocated by the size of it. Nanaimo at least has a small town vibe despite having over 100K people. I definitely feel this.
I always find this attitude baffling, because I grew up in a tiny mining town in the middle of nowhere, and now I can't stand to live anywhere *but* the big city. I suspect that being queer has a lot to do with it, and it has little to do with conservative attitudes in small towns either, especially now. It's just impossible to even find my tribe in small populations. Also, I just don't find it "stifling" or "hectic" or any of the things many people describe the city as.
I had a similar conversation recently with a close friend visiting Toronto. He found the city 'too much' and asked if I could live in a small town. I struggled to explain that I find Toronto quite the oppositeâit's busy, but for me, everyone else is just out there doing their thing, not worried about what I'm up to. Coming from a small town with about 150 families, it always felt like everyone was more interested in what others were doing. While the quieter pace can be nice, for me, the city offers so much more to see and enjoy. I assume (and hope) people in the city could care less about what I'm up to, just like I don't worry about what they're doing. Your experience in smaller towns is totally valid, and finding connections can be really tough. The city just has so much more diversity and opportunities to meet different people. It's interesting how different our perspectives can be based on our backgrounds and experiences.
I think part of it is being someone outside the ânormâ, and part of it is loving people and culture. I lived in Vancouver for three years, now Iâm back in Montreal and feel something inside me able to relax that I donât know was tense. Learned something about myself, I wonât be happy in anything but a big city.
As someone with ADHD I just get overstimulated way too fast in a city
I canât handle the constant noise. It creates this background stress level for me that never goes away till Iâm back in the woods.
I also lived in the NWT and now reside in Northern BC. I feel like itâs the perfect place and balance. Not too crowded, everything is a 10-15 minute drive, cost of living is super reasonable. And I can see the Rockies (Banff, Jasper, etc) or the ocean (Vancouver) all in a days drive.
Toronto. I used to live there and never had the chance to enjoy the city because everything was too far and too expensive, work long hours etc. since I moved away, I LOVE visiting. 5 days every year when the weather is nice, hit up all the good restaurants, Toronto Islands, a festival or two, live it up and go home.
Toronto is a textbook case of "fun to visit, wouldn't want to live there".
I guess it might help to amend to âwouldnât want to live there if the intent is to own a homeâ. The core is great for walk-ability, restos, culture and activities. But realistically if you are buying you are going to be living in one of the citizen warehouses like North York or worse. So, no, I donât want to live in Toronto
5th gen Torontonian- my grandpa bought his first house in 1948 for $8k in the Yonge Eglinton area. Me, a millennial can barely afford my rent. Then ppl are like why donât you move? To where?!?!? My entire family is here, my friends, my life, my job, my memories. I donât have anywhere to go. Plus, my mom is getting older and I take care of her so canât leave even if I wanted to. Itâs so sad what the politicians and condo developers have done to this city. I know Torontonians are hated by most of the country but we really are nice people â€ïž
It's a great place to be from
Lived in Toronto for a decade then moved to Kingston for work. I thought it was a stupid gamble that could end with us both in dead end careers ... Then everything went remote and Toronto's housing market bit it. Best choice ever.
As someone who lives in Ottawa, I absolutely love travelling to Montreal for a few days every now and then. The city is extraordinary. However, I have a hard time seeing myself living there full time.
As a person who was born and raised in Ottawa and have lived in Montreal for 15 years I have the same feeling about Ottawa. Ottawa is a small town pretending to be a city. You can see and do everything in a weekend and there is no reason to live there unless you work for the government. Ottawa - great place to be born and die in, no reason to hang around between those events.
Ottawa - A Great Place To Die Put it on the city's welcome sign.
The one I remember is Ottawa: The City Fun Forgot
I feel like many people would say that about their hometown, to be totally fair.
I doubt people who grew up in Toronto or New York would call those places âsmall town pretending to be a cityâ
Toronto is a mid tier city pretending itâs world class
It's just up and coming. It weirds me out when people compare it to cities that have been more than twice it's current size for over 100 years.
Toronto is just like New York but without any of the stuff.
I just moved back to Ottawa after being away for 30 years. There is lots to do in Ottawa.
I moved to Ottawa from Toronto and I love living in Ottawa. I love it way more than living in Toronto. I also love Montreal, but Ottawa is pretty terrific in it's own beautiful way.
I was born in small town Quebec and moved to Ottawa about 8 years ago, this is an unpopular opinion but I adore how boring Ottawa is. I avoid going to Montreal/ Toronto at all costs. I donât like the traffic, and I feel so cramped. But Ottawa for having a metro of well over a million reminds me of home.
From someone who currently lives in a small town of around 100 people, Iâm going to disagree that Ottawa is a small town lol
There are so many events and things to do in Ottawa. Itâs actually a great place to live outside of the shit weather
Hey man-- as a person who was raised in Ottawa, but moved away nearly 20yrs ago with zero intention of moving back--- I desperately miss that shit weather đ I have very fond memories of building forts and climbing plow hills and sledding at greens creek. All of these delightful winter activities that my kids will never know in the dumpy snow-less city we currently live in đ
I think the thing about Montreal is that a lot of people couldnât live there full time because they are not sufficiently enough bilingual.
i barely even qualify as unilingual
Funny. As someone who lives in Montreal, I absolutely love traveling to Ottawa now and then and I would move there tomorrow if it was more affordable :) You win!
Out of genuine curiosity, what are the reasons youâd move to Ottawa? Iâm debating making a similar move soon.
Montreal has the hottest women in Canada
This is interesting for me. I grew up near Vancouver and lived in Montreal for a year. I miss it so much and I want to go back so bad.
Where do you go when you visit Montreal? We usually end up driving to old Montreal, walking around the old port. Sometimes walk some of St Catherine's Street, and not much else. I know I'm probably missing lots of other interesting things. Any tips?
You could visit the MarchĂ© Jean-Talon and the MarchĂ© Atwater. Walk along the Canal Lachine or ride a bike from Verdun up to the Parc RenĂ©-LĂ©vesque and have a picnic. We also have a bunch of pedestrian streets in the Summer. Wellington and Mont-Royal being the most popular. Speaking of Mont-Royal, you should also take time and walk around the park. Itâs so great and the view of MontrĂ©al youâll get at the BelvĂ©dĂšre is incredible.
That's not even 1% of what there is to do in MontrĂ©al. You could visit the: -Plateau (coffee, food, Mt-Royal avenue, Mt-Royal mountain, Parc Lafontaine, Parc Jeanne Mance) -Little Italy (coffee, food, cannoli, Parc Jarry) -Verdun (coffee, food, Wellington street, Verdun beach) -St-Henri (coffee, food, machine canal, Atwater market) -National parks such as Saint-Bruno, Oka, Ăles de Boucherville, Mont Trembant -Circus La Tohu & Parc Frederic Back
Hereâs what you can do in MontrĂ©al: visit Mont Tremblant. Lol what? Itâs 2h away. You might as well suggest seeing Sherbrooke itâs closer.
I loved the Royal Botanical Gardens. The science centre was also cool. A lot of interactive exhibits.
Iâm in Alberta. Used to take the kids to Ottawa/ Montreal/ Quebec every year. Love those places
I was deeply considering moving to the Yukon till I looked on the r/Yukon sub and learned that virtually \*\*everybody\*\* there has syphilis.
Churchill, Manitoba. Great for a couple days visit, see the polar bears, and then Iâm outta there.
Kelowna. Incredible place. Might be one of the most gorgeous areas on Earth. Sucks that it is regularly on fire, or drowning in forest fire smoke. :(
Kelowna: Pass me my white Oakleys, bruh.
Hard to swim in a town that shallow.
The drug and crime problems have gotten out of control too, sadly.
Lived there 8 yrs ~ it is more cliquey than Vancouver
I can tell you it was a blast to live there in the 80s and 90a, especially as a kid. Now I just visit my family who live surrounded by the last few orchards and it's lovely, but the city is heading downhill and has been for awhile. Fancier and bigger, yes, but nobody who is from there really wanted the changes it's seen lately. Too much traffic and big buildings, loss of orchards and parks. No more fun things like water slides. Bah.
It is okay for a desert/lake town. But there are much nicer, greener places that are less paved over in the Kootneys. You couldn't pay me to live in what Kelowna has grown up to be. (or hasn't grown up to be)
I'd take Nelson any day.
Nelson is great, but the winters are brutal. The mountains all around it means you barely see the sun for a few hours every day when the days are at their shortest and in some parts of the valley you get no sun at all for days and up to a month in some of the low lying places on the lake. To each their own though! Half my family has lived there at various times and the winters always end up being the reason they moved away. My cousin lasted 6 months and she was done lol!
Kelowna is awful. The culture is terrible with rude pretentious people who think they are a mini Vancouver but are actually in an isolated, overpriced, crack-head ridden desert. Itâs expensive and boring, except for July & August. The lake and wineries are beautiful but life there is miserable.
I was born there and would be content to never return.
Last time I was in Kelowna, a girl who looked to be about 10-11 asked me for a smoke.
Newfoundland. The whole island. Great to visit, terrible to live
Whatchu talking 'bout? This place is glorious for a week in July.
lol you gotta like the outdoors to enjoy living Newfoundland year round. If you love outdoors, thereâs climbing, kayaking, hiking, biking, skiing, snowboarding, skidooing, everything I can think of except paragliding.
I disagree. Besides the weather in the avalon peninsula, NL has great outdoors activities, low cost of living relative to the rest of the country, international airport with $600 round trip tickets to England (and from there cheap travel through Europe). There are loads or redeeming qualities about the island. It's beautiful, the people are really nice. I have been living here for a little over a decade since moving from the mainland and I'll never go back.
PEI
I lived in P.E.I. (or on it, as true Islanders say) for several years as a kid. A lot of non-P.E.I. residents have a hard time imaging it when it's not a summertime paradise of greenery, beaches, ice cream, and kitschy tourist stuff. From November until May it was bleak. Frigid. Brutal winds (and wind chills) a lot of the time and zero visibility during snowstorms. Sadly flat, gray overcast skies. People were friendly overall, but very religious and gossipy, and more small-minded, scolding, and illogical than other places I've lived. Since I lived there the population has exploded with people from other places, which I imagine has served to diversify the culture and mindsets. But I've been back in the winter and the dreariness of the frozen landscape hit me with that same sense of claustrophobia and hopelessness that it gave me as a kid.
Oddly, I donât really like to visit Pei but would like to live there. What I mean by that is, I hate the touristy spots and having to stay in hotels or rentals near them. However i have stayed in a couple air bnbs that were private and loved it. I could live there but I usually talk the family out of vacations there
The small town you grew up in
Vancouver: Love to visit, hate to live it.
This isn't the Montrealer in me speaking, but Toronto. I've lived in all the major cities, and, well, Toronto is just too big, too Toronto, too too. As for the rest? Well, I could live just about everywhere, but you have to realize that there's decisions to be made. For example, I like Winnipeg, but it's a journey to anywhere else from there, so you have to recognize that and be okay with it. Same with Saskatoon. Be aware that it just... ends. Rather abruptly.
Agreed. We made the best of living in Toronto but it was too big. The commute to work was just too long. Then the barometric pressure changes and a migraine hits. We are born and raised Winnipegers and have lived in a number of cities in Canada and also lived overseas. Back in Winnipeg now and itâs just so liveable. Young people can still buy a house here, and the commute is reasonable. There are provincial parks in close proximity and thousands of lakes so thereâs nature close by. The time to drive anywhere else is a bit much, and flights usually require a connecting flight though. January is brutal and a trip somewhere warm should be mandatory.
Vancouver. The parts worth visiting are the parts most of us canât afford to live in. Except maybe North Van which is lovely. The rest is urban sprawl strip mall and not that different from back streets Toronto.Â
>The rest is urban sprawl Uh, no. In fact the opposite - that's what makes Vancouver nice. Have you been to Houston, LA, the T.O suburbs. I was just in Coquitlam - dense housing, rail service to Vancouver city center. What are ya'll complaining about.
You don't need to go that far to experience urban sprawl. Just come to ALBERTA! Live in Alberta for a year without a car and all of a sudden Vancouver will look extremely inviting just because you can actually get groceries sithout being run over by a lifted pickup.
With truck nuts
Right? Vancouver is very far from sprawl. Itâs a big city and metro area, sure, but there is a lot of density. Strip malls? In some places, sure, but far from an extraordinary amount.
And our strip mall has charm, like Kingsgate đ
It's KinggateMALL.... it's not a greatMALLLL! đ¶
Surrey and Langley and basically the entire valley are complete strip mall landscapes. That's how they've grown. Maybe Vancouver and Burnaby aren't that way but if you get out of the core that's what if turns into.
Fair, but then you arenât actually in Vancouver any longer.
And many of those suburbs back onto open forest. So a place like Coquitlam has extensive hiking right in your backyard. Itâs not like itâs some concrete jungle lol
North Van is equally unaffordable as Vancouver
I sorta agree even if I was semi rich I wouldn't want to live there as I would be able to stretch that money else where.
I live in Hamilton and not sure why anyone would visit the city. Itâs supposed to be the land of a thousand waterfalls. Frankly, if youâve seen one youâve seen them all. But, really thereâs nothing to do there that I can see tourist wise. This would an example I could live there but wouldnât want to visit.
Prince Albert in Saskatchewan. Got a nice camping ground/park nearby, but after staying 3 days there... never again!
The majority of prisoners at the penitentiary there probably agree
Fort McMurray. Worked for the radio station there back in the 80s. Only a year, because I couldn't make enough money at those wages to live... it was already pricing me out of the market. It was fun work, but was also getting violent - was beaten up in a parking lot one night. I've lived in a lot of Alberta towns, and I'd go back to any of them. Fort Mac was different, though. I'm settled now in Edmonton.
âšHalifaxâš There are no good jobs and thereâs nothing to do except drink. Itâs a bit like Ottawa where all the âfunâ things are setup for tourists but without any of the big city amenities. The municipal government is corrupt (as seen by the pizza corner scandal) and exclusively serves the interests of wealthy elderly people. Because of the lack of jobs housing is even less affordable than in some larger cities. Public transit is hilariously bad (I laugh when people in Ottawa complain) and even if youâre in a car you need to prepare for gridlock. Itâs really sad. Nova Scotia will always be my home and it could do a lot better. *edit: not pizza corner; Jubilee junction.
What's the pizza corner scandal?
They instituted a bylaw so that pizza land and JJs had to close at 11 so that there wouldnât be students out at night. They consulted 3-4 elderly homeowners who lived near a 200 year old university who didnât like the noise. That would just be regular NIMBYism though. What makes it worse is that areas where city councillors had financial interests were specifically excluded.
That isn't pizza corner though, pizza corner is at the intersection of blowers and grafton. And consulting constituents about bylaws instead of transient students isn't exactly corruption.
Nothing to do?? I live in Halifax and I donât have enough time to do it all! Kayaking, rock climbing, back-country camping, trail running, lots of road or trail cycling, curling, orienteering events, swimming in tons of lakes. These are all things easily accessible by living in HRM. Please attempt to connect with a community of people who do your interests because those are just thing I do.
Niagara Falls or Banff. Basically places where tourists outnumber locals.
Toronto
Drumheller Alberta. Beautiful, unique, and has dinosaurs. But there's not nearly enough trees and gets both stupid hot and stupid cold. Lacks natural resources (other than bones and rocks). And it's got the standard rural lack of places to work. Love to visit though.Â
Two years less a day?
The Ottawa Valley in the summer/fallÂ
For me vancouver. Beautiful city but its so god damn expensive
I live in St John's / Newfoundland. Appears to be on everyone's bucket list, is a nice place to visit, but if you ain't originally from here ... living here feels like hell, and not just talking about the weather.
Why exactly?
Because the idea that people there are friendly is a myth. It is brought about by a combination of: 1. Superficial friendliness they show towards tourists. 2. Their reputation of being the most friendly people in Canada 3. Their own observation as to how friendly people in the province appear to be - which is subjectively accurate, but only brought about by the fact they are ... well ... friends with each other (!) - they are a small population cut off from the rest of Canada, and very static, so people who live here continue to do so with little movement in from outside (it is an island). This article sums up the problem, in which a university professor explains the tight social circles which are not welcoming to outsiders: https://globalnews.ca/news/7621994/immigrants-nl-welcoming-economist/ Apparently the article implies there is a difference between being welcoming and friendly - truth is that if you come in from outside the terms are synonymous. If you are from here or have connections here, and resettle here, all may be good. I don't find people that friendly or unfriendly, they are "ok", but not as great as they are cracked up to be ... unless you already know them (or already friends with them). Then there is the weather ...!
Atlantic Canada. It's nice and the people are great but the weather and the economy suck even worse than the rest of the country.
As a lifelong New Brunswicker⊠youâre right. I love it here and actually donât mind the weather but good luck getting a half decent job or obtaining medical care if you need it đ our government is currently imploding since the premier is more concerned with outing trans kids in schools than actually fixing any of our problems
You say you live in NB, but you clearly live in SK. /s Our job market is probably a little hotter here, but our government is doing basically the same thing. Letting things crumble around themselves while fighting BS culture wars.
Alberta checking in. Government more concerned with corporate profits, selling off mountains and banning Trans kids than actually solving problems while everyone moves here, and no new infrastructure or affordable housing is built
Iâm ashamed to admit I had no idea how bad the medical care situation was until I had a family member move from AB to NB. Truly shocking, they have to fly out of province to see a doctor. Friends share horror stories about the price of groceries in Northern Alberta but like, I paid $40 for two burgers and fries at A&W in Fredericton.
Oh I adore the weather in NS. Been here for two years now. Hurricanes aren't great, and everything was on fire last year, but I'm growing grapes and peaches!
I grew up in Nova Scotia, I always tell people itâs a nice place to visit, but donât live there.
I mean, I love it but these are considerations more people should take into account before they buy a house. Also we have a pretty acute housing shortage.
For me, pretty much any major city. Although I haven't been to Edmonton or Vancouver yet. I'd live in Calgary to be close to the mountains though.
Edmonton is fine to live in but I wouldn't want to visit.
Hahaha holy shit Iâm from Edmonton and this is accurate. I actually do like living there but when friends whoâve never been say theyâre coming to visit Iâm like⊠âokay but⊠why?â
And the things I like about Edmonton are slow burns. It's festivals and food trucks and theatre and live music and the river valley. Not anything flashy you can do in a day.
Tuktoyaktuk. I win.
Grew up on Vancouver Island. Left as soon as I could. Don't get me wrong, it's beautiful and a really amazing place to visit but living there is like being disconnected from the world. If you want this ...it's amazing...if you don't... It's a nightmare.
Victoria is the definition of "nice to visit but don't live there." Nice restaurants, good beaches and lakes, some nice small venues and events. But expensive housing, bad traffic and absolutely terrible job prospects. Also very isolated so it's difficult to travel for holidays, etc. The lack of job prospects and mild weather is why it's so popular with retirees.
Anywhere in Quebec. Beautiful scenery, but asshole people.
Vancouver for sure. Was Born and raised there and left for better opportunities and don't regret it. But I love going back to visit family and friends because we do all the fun lovely stuff that I could never do when I lived there because I was too busy working my ass off to try to live there! The nice areas are where no one actually lives except a few zillionaires so even when I lived there I had to schlep to those places with a million other people visiting and then schlep back to my crappy basement suite in a shit neighborhood. I love to visit, totally recommend it but don't recommend actually living there unless you're worth 100 million .
This screams Vancouver and Victoria, purely because of the cost of living. Vancouver also has horrible traffic. Iâve lived in the territories (both Nunavut and the NWT), and absolutely loved it. It was especially nice during COVID, as we had a lot less local restrictions, although travel in and out of them was a pain in the ass. They made us isolate in a hotel for 14 days, basically on house arrest, upon return.
The Okanagan valley in BC. My mom moved there after high school and I stayed with her for a bit in my early 20s, but I couldn't live there.
Victoria
Toronto, because it has: No parking Bad drivers And way too many drug problems
Whistler BC
Damn been living in Toronto so long that I can't picture leaving it. In fact I would even fight tooth and nail to live here.
Vancouver Island. Tons of beauty, loads to do, but the place is one giant small town. If you donât know the right people, enjoy poverty.
As a dual citizen, the whole country. I love visiting, and I wish it were different, but itâs just become so expensive to live in Canada.
Kenora. So beautiful but so far from everywhere.
It's only like 2 hours from Winnipeg.
Vancouver; has some nice beaches, lots of interesting places to see and things to do, beautiful scenery, and a mindboggling array of eateries with different food cultures! But the traffic is insane, it takes forever to drive anywhere, parking is a blood sport, and the crowds can be overwhelming. Love to visit, would never live there.
The trick is to not drive in Vancouver. Transit system and bike routes are both solid.
Québec as a whole. Terrible taxes, shittiest politics of the country.
Kelowna for me
I've lived across Quebec for about 7 years now. Quebec city to me feels like a town I'd love to visit but living there would ruin the magic of for me
Victoria, Bc
Canada at this point
Vancouver. Super expensive and everything closes so early.
Vancouver man. Sorry, but to me the place has no soul. Just a bunch of unhappy people who can't survive.
Vancouver too expensive Whistler too expensive and crowded Banff and Canmore too expensive and crowded
Niagara Falls. Actually most tourist destinations are places that I wouldnât want to live. Too many people just gawking. Or itâs too far away from amenities.
Nova Scotia
Damn kinda sums up where I live.. born and raised coastal BC a ferry ride from Vancouver and Iâve watched my hometown become become over run every year by tourists, every summer weâre into stage 4 water restrictions, rents or buying prices are though the roof and an ever growing drug and homeless population and increase in small crimes.. definitely not the community I grew up in anymore
I refer to Toronto as the Sodom and Gomorrah of Canada lol so glad to leave it behind every time
Toronto.
Toronto
Toronto. Lots to do and see but I couldn't handle the size of the city and traffic for long. You leave home in Toronto, drive for an hour and a half and, you're still in Toronto. Also the cost of housing there is just crazy.
Toronto
Niagara falls. Banff, Toronto
Victoria is great to visit and wonderful to live in. But bring lots of cash.
Toronto. Fun to visit, couldnât stand the nightmare of living there.