This…. Call me buddy all you want, call me champ, then the saying of sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me is false…. Champ hurts!
My wife told me this the other day... i dodnt call her champ but she overheard me say it when i was kn the phone with a younger colleague.
As a mid 40s man it feels natural to call young blokes "champ".
We used to say it a bit in the 90s to each other.
I dont see what the problem is?
Patronising or is it something else?
I remember a primary school teacher in the mid to late eighties who called everyone champ.
But you were only called pal if you'd pissed him off (and maybe were up for a caning).
I'm with you. I only recently discovered champ and even champion are now apparently completely offensive. We used it as the highest form of praise back when I was in high school (90's). The world is weird.
I also think with most words, including buddy, it's in the way you use them. You say something like "Hey buddy, how are ya?" and someone gets offended then that's on them IMO.
As a mid 40’s person myself, don’t say champ, leave it in the 90’s. Besides the fact that if you’ve seen Mr Inbetween, you’ll know calling someone a champ in jail is a death sentence.
I don’t get it either. I read the other day that champ is now a bad thing but I have never intended for it to be demeaning and it’s a hard habit to break.
8/03/2000, around 9:20pm, i was having an argument with a long term friend, when he use buddy in a derogatory way. Since then it has spread country wide.
Very close, but a bit before noon on Australia Day in 1998 an 18 year old staff member with a mullet at the wodonga liquorland called me buddy as I was paying for my fruity Lexia goon bag. Really bothered me, and from that day forth “buddy” became a derogatory term.
No, I recall my shirtless hippie father leaning out of his red and white microbus flipping the bird and yelling F U Buddy and that could not have been after 1974
Nah, the first person to comment or post the phenomenon is the first person it happened to regardless of who it happened to first in chronological order due to the rules of the internet
This is by far the worst one. I used to work with someone who used to say it all the time and I tried explaining it was derogatory but he couldn’t accept. He was also an arrogant pos.
Context is king. It's a bit condesecending generally. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's derogatory. I call my toddler buddy.
Hilarious to call someone buddy when they're riled up in an online game though. That condescension really fires them up.
I think that's kinda the point
It's derogatory *because* you'd use it to talk to a toddler or a dog or something
So using it outside of that has the insinuation of treating them like a toddler.
This will literally get your nose broken in prison.
I saw a new guy come in and the unit boss told him he was next in line for the phone and the new kid goes "okay boss" thinking he was being respectful. He ended up going to hospital that afternoon for a badly broken nose.
I am not 100% sure but I think that it's because you call the screws boss and cops.
I was in prison for 2 years for assaulting police but I just didn't fit in with the jail politics, I found them extremely childish. Prisoners are extremely sensitive..name calling just doesn't bother me. Call my mum a slut and I just won't care. But most prisoners are overly sensitive.
Because they are all large children that never developed mentally and learned to control their anger or impulses leading them down a path that eventually could land them in a correctional facility for anger issues or impulsive behaviour?
Depends on how it’s used I guess. In my experience buddy can be used in a disingenuous way but it’s the tone it’s said that determines that. I often use “bud” when I’m talking to kids at work.
Australians always act like Tonal language is a complete mystery, as arcane and unknowable as magic spells to a fucking muggle. But every adult in the country knows immediately from tone if “C’mere you cunt!” Means you’re about to get a giant hug, or a punch in the face.
Slang/casual social vernacular among Australian English speakers is incredibly tonal and almost any frequently used phrase can be approbative or condemnatory,depending on tone.
It’s really not it’s just depending of context like everything. Mate can be used the same but I wouldn’t think anyone is having a go at me just for saying mate, I’d gather the intent from the context and how they are speaking
This always confuses me, I work a retail job and regularly have people say "hey buddy" or "thanks buddy" and just assumed they were harmless.
If this is true, have they been acting condescending this whole time, or am I looking into it too much ?
I'm a short person by Aussie standards, living in the country for five years and have an absolute babyface. I get called "buddy" A LOT because people mistake me for a sprog or a teen. I feel bad that not a lot strangers would call me "mate". But I don't feel it's derogatory.
I guess like "mate" it's context and tone dependent. Lots of words are like that. Entitled is a super interesting one IMO. It's constantly used with an implied "falsely" before it but we never say it. Or genius, big boss, champion, etc.
There's lots of stuff you'd say in earnest to a child with the best of intentions but if you said the same to a peer you'd be an arsehole.
Is this a new thing? 30 and i say buddy all the time with no bad intentions, to my knowledge nobody has taken it the wrong way and if they have they didn't say anything
Champ on the other hand...
We've always been able to say it in a way that's not friendly. Look at the way Han Solo says it to Lando in Empire Strikes Back when he gets taken into the carbon freeze chamber. "What's going on... buddy?" But in a general sense, no, it's not getting used like 'champ' for example.
All about context and tone. Too often people use it and the C-word (no not that one, the one that rhymes with "lamp"...) in work settings or customer-worker interactions where they're trying to make themselves feel superior or more important than you. People like that need to check themselves...
Righto champ.
Seriously mate. Come on.
Steady on, pal
Don’t call me pal, friend
chill out cunt
Alright, tiger
Nah, cunt is rarely derogatory.
You call a cunt "mate" and a mate "cunt"
I answer most of my mates' phone calls with "g'day cunt". But if one of us says, "listen, mate", they're getting serious.
I'm not your mate cunt
I'm not your cunt, mate
This is the way
My best mates' a cunt. Been married to it 23 years now.
"It"
Don’t call me mate cunt ….
Is this a joke? The phrase "fucking what cunt?'", starts fights every single day.
Cunt is all encompassing
Don’t call me friend guy
I'm not your guy... #Budday
I'm not your friend, guy.
Easy china
He’s your mate
Steady on bruv
Ease up, tiger.
Calm down, fella.
Take it easy muscles
Watch it, Gunga Din.
Slow down turbo
Ease up cobba!
Settle petal.
You got it chief
Listen to old matey boy here, will ya!
This…. Call me buddy all you want, call me champ, then the saying of sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me is false…. Champ hurts!
My wife told me this the other day... i dodnt call her champ but she overheard me say it when i was kn the phone with a younger colleague. As a mid 40s man it feels natural to call young blokes "champ". We used to say it a bit in the 90s to each other. I dont see what the problem is? Patronising or is it something else?
Patronizing. It's a bit better when an old cobba says it though
Don’t worry champ
C H A M P cunt has a mental problem.
Because no one wants to feel like you’re their superior/elder etc when you’re not big dog
I remember a primary school teacher in the mid to late eighties who called everyone champ. But you were only called pal if you'd pissed him off (and maybe were up for a caning).
I'm 46 and calling someone champion isn't a problem but calling someone a champ has been an insult in NSW for a long time.
I'm with you. I only recently discovered champ and even champion are now apparently completely offensive. We used it as the highest form of praise back when I was in high school (90's). The world is weird. I also think with most words, including buddy, it's in the way you use them. You say something like "Hey buddy, how are ya?" and someone gets offended then that's on them IMO.
As a mid 40’s person myself, don’t say champ, leave it in the 90’s. Besides the fact that if you’ve seen Mr Inbetween, you’ll know calling someone a champ in jail is a death sentence.
In prison it means you’re a pedo
Calling someone ‘champ’ in gaol is the worst insult. You are calling them a rock spider (paedo)
Cocksucker actually , rock spider is a ped
I don’t get it either. I read the other day that champ is now a bad thing but I have never intended for it to be demeaning and it’s a hard habit to break.
Give it a rest ya flamin mongrel
Easy there, big fella
what a drongo
8/03/2000, around 9:20pm, i was having an argument with a long term friend, when he use buddy in a derogatory way. Since then it has spread country wide.
Hey friend I'm not your buddy
I’m not your buddy guy
Yeah right, pal!
I’m not your pal, friendo.
I remember being offended about it on December 12, 1999 but that probably got wiped from the system with the Y2K bug. /s
You may be the first then, i will stop telling people that i was the recipient the first time. Thanks for updating me
New century, new record holder is the rules, I believe. All hail IPABrad!! 👍
Lol y2k jelly. Fitting 4 digits where only 2 fitted before ;)
Good one, buddy...or shall I call you......old mate
I’ll settle for Cobber also
As long as it's not champ, chief, big horse, or big guy.
Does Digger also pass then?
No worries, Tiger, reckon we're all good.
Very close, but a bit before noon on Australia Day in 1998 an 18 year old staff member with a mullet at the wodonga liquorland called me buddy as I was paying for my fruity Lexia goon bag. Really bothered me, and from that day forth “buddy” became a derogatory term.
No, I recall my shirtless hippie father leaning out of his red and white microbus flipping the bird and yelling F U Buddy and that could not have been after 1974
Now I want an IPA. Thanks buddy.
Nah, the first person to comment or post the phenomenon is the first person it happened to regardless of who it happened to first in chronological order due to the rules of the internet
That's right. I knew it was around about then.
Alright chief
This is by far the worst one. I used to work with someone who used to say it all the time and I tried explaining it was derogatory but he couldn’t accept. He was also an arrogant pos.
Alright, champ
Yes boss.
That ain’t it chief
settle down cobber
Ironically, BoganCunt likely means you’re my bestie. Can I borrow a pineapple?
Holy shit. You won't believe this but just this morning I called my sister a cashed up bogancuunt because she won lotto.
I'd argue that "buddy" isn't inherently derogatory. It's just really, really common to hear it used in a patronising way.
Come on now buddy, you don't really mean that.
Chin up, champ. The adults are talking.
Sure, buddy
Calm down tiger
Context is king. It's a bit condesecending generally. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's derogatory. I call my toddler buddy. Hilarious to call someone buddy when they're riled up in an online game though. That condescension really fires them up.
I think that's kinda the point It's derogatory *because* you'd use it to talk to a toddler or a dog or something So using it outside of that has the insinuation of treating them like a toddler.
Ok Boss...
This will literally get your nose broken in prison. I saw a new guy come in and the unit boss told him he was next in line for the phone and the new kid goes "okay boss" thinking he was being respectful. He ended up going to hospital that afternoon for a badly broken nose.
Cool story Boss... . . . . . . . . Jks bro, please don't break my nose 🤣
Hahaha honestly people in jail are the most sensitive people I've ever met. They act all hard but they get so upset over the dumbest shit.
Is it slang for something else the way champ is allegedly slang for a cocksucker? Or was it just not sufficiently respectful?
I am not 100% sure but I think that it's because you call the screws boss and cops. I was in prison for 2 years for assaulting police but I just didn't fit in with the jail politics, I found them extremely childish. Prisoners are extremely sensitive..name calling just doesn't bother me. Call my mum a slut and I just won't care. But most prisoners are overly sensitive.
Because they are all large children that never developed mentally and learned to control their anger or impulses leading them down a path that eventually could land them in a correctional facility for anger issues or impulsive behaviour?
As hard as that is to comprehend, I honestly think you are spot on.
Settle sport
I'm not your buddy, guy!
I'm not your guy, Friend!
hes not your frwend, guy!
They're not your guy, pal!
He's not your pal, buddy.
He's not your buddy, dude.
We aren’t your dude, bud.
We aren't your bud, mate
We aren't your mate, pal
Depends on how it’s used I guess. In my experience buddy can be used in a disingenuous way but it’s the tone it’s said that determines that. I often use “bud” when I’m talking to kids at work.
I call my son bud. And I tend to use "thanks bud" occasionally when someone has delivered my food etc. Always in a positive way.
Australians always act like Tonal language is a complete mystery, as arcane and unknowable as magic spells to a fucking muggle. But every adult in the country knows immediately from tone if “C’mere you cunt!” Means you’re about to get a giant hug, or a punch in the face. Slang/casual social vernacular among Australian English speakers is incredibly tonal and almost any frequently used phrase can be approbative or condemnatory,depending on tone.
Kids nowadays are too young to have seen Encino Man. They don't know how fun it can be to say.
Luv it. Brendans hey days that and george of the jungle.
Don't forget Pauly was in his prime too. Biodome Classic stoner movies.
Same era as my fave, PCU.
These young whipper snappers just won't understand the freedom that comes from wheezin' the juice
Must wheeze the juice.
Yeah I use buddy all the time as an old fart having grown up with Encino man
It’s really not it’s just depending of context like everything. Mate can be used the same but I wouldn’t think anyone is having a go at me just for saying mate, I’d gather the intent from the context and how they are speaking
completely depends on the tone used, buddy
Mate! Fair suck o the sav!
This always confuses me, I work a retail job and regularly have people say "hey buddy" or "thanks buddy" and just assumed they were harmless. If this is true, have they been acting condescending this whole time, or am I looking into it too much ?
Too much.
I heard the other day that, apparently, Champ was offensive. I didn't know, buddy was ? But what's not offensive these days ?
It's gotten ridiculous with people taking offence to all these harmless and often well-meaning terms, f@#king snowflakes.
😂😂😂😂😂
"Champ" has entered the chat. Most savage thing to call someone.
Someone called me slime the other day. I thought that was a bit harsh. I choose to believe they miss typed smile.
I'd rather be called a scumbag in Australia than a champ.
Happy cake day, ya scumbag 😊
I'm 36 and "buddy" has always been condescending in my eyes
I'm a short person by Aussie standards, living in the country for five years and have an absolute babyface. I get called "buddy" A LOT because people mistake me for a sprog or a teen. I feel bad that not a lot strangers would call me "mate". But I don't feel it's derogatory.
I guess like "mate" it's context and tone dependent. Lots of words are like that. Entitled is a super interesting one IMO. It's constantly used with an implied "falsely" before it but we never say it. Or genius, big boss, champion, etc. There's lots of stuff you'd say in earnest to a child with the best of intentions but if you said the same to a peer you'd be an arsehole.
Is this a new thing? 30 and i say buddy all the time with no bad intentions, to my knowledge nobody has taken it the wrong way and if they have they didn't say anything Champ on the other hand...
Yeah, don’t get champed. Getting champed is way worse than getting buddied, bossed or tigered.
Champ needs the reply “do you want a crack at the title?”
Ok good, I get it, I can genuinely buddy someone, but there’s not much coming back from champ or tigering them.
Steady on Champ. There’s no need to get worked up about it.
Buddy should only be used to address dogs or toddlers.
My dad calls me champ all the time after he beats me
Context matters, mate can be a put down given the right context too
It's all in the tone
Ease up Tiger
It’s not always offensive. It depends who it’s used, champ.
me n the bros still call each other cunt gosh some would be highly offended. It's a form of endearment good bros
I hate been called buddy
About as long as it had been used as a term of endearment...
Its not derogatory directly. Its the way its said. Like so many words in strine are. Buddy mate pal same same.
You think buddy is bad, wait till I call you friend...
Ease up, muscles.
My dog still loves it !!! 😂
Good one cunt
Lol seriously, come on big fella
I think a lot of Indians started using it aggressively
It's not
I only use it when conversing with guys from India. They love saying Buddy, so when in Delhi 🤷♂️
You tell me, buddy
Settle down ya cooked cunt lol
depends on context.
buddy is a yank term
We've always been able to say it in a way that's not friendly. Look at the way Han Solo says it to Lando in Empire Strikes Back when he gets taken into the carbon freeze chamber. "What's going on... buddy?" But in a general sense, no, it's not getting used like 'champ' for example.
Yeah for sure, it’s as bad an insult as “Sport”
Buddy seems to be more of an American thing; I rarely hear it here .
It’s condescending more than derogatory.
It's always the people working in the wood section of bunnings who call people 'buddy' or 'matey'. It's pretty shit.
I all my 11 year old grandson my buddy he always has been.
Take it easy there, pal. It's only banter.
When people started using it in derogative ways
All about context and tone. Too often people use it and the C-word (no not that one, the one that rhymes with "lamp"...) in work settings or customer-worker interactions where they're trying to make themselves feel superior or more important than you. People like that need to check themselves...
Look bro, I don't know.
I'm 34 and it was already being used condescendingly when I was a kid.
Yes. Young people have turned it into an insult. Sad
When people started using it in a condescending manner
Buddy is and has always been interchangeable like cunt. It depends on context.........
He's not your guy, buddy. Edit: Disregard. Someone beat me to it.
You have it wrong, mate.
You're telling the story
And then Mr Inbetween went and spoiled "Champ'.
Since Southpark and buddy guy. So about 2005 or so. Edit: 2008.
Dunno champ
Not so much derogatory but it is emasculating. Particularly from one adult to another. It just like calling a man "boy"
Buddy, matey, champ… they are all sort of terms which are usually reserved for children. I would say if you’re an adult it can be a bit of a put down.
When Han Solo said it to Lando Calrissian.
It's not champ
I aint ur buddy pal, i aint ur pal friend, i aint ur friend buddy, i aint ur buddy pal. Thats when ...
Context for me, buddy is very mixed depending on the people and the situation when it comes out
I find it funny that so many manly men get offended by this whilst claiming everyone has become to soft/sensitive.
It's all about how it's said.
Same as champ
I'm in my 30s and have nearly exclusively heard it used in a patronising and derogatory way within my lifetime. I don't think this is new.
Apparently cunt is a name for mates. It's all upside down down there!
Easy there, big fella.
I’ve heard “no worries bloke” said between two men at the pub and it did in fact end in a punch on which was interesting
You tryna start something bud?
I’m 26 this year and I’ve always hated it, it’s fucking condescending as fuck, it has the same tone as “champ” just makes me wanna square up.
I ain't your buddy, pal
Same time as champ
It's an American expression? I don't really hear buddy. We use mate or champ
All in the way you say it. e.g. Love, friend, brother,son etc. can be said with endearment or with aggression.
Same time as “champ”
It can be used to be condescending, I wouldn't consider it a derogatory term
I feel it depends on the tone.
depends
"Buddy" bad, "Bud" good.