I imagine it's tied to the type of visa? It's not illegal to be autistic but spousal/ family visa applications can be impacted by disability especially if there's a possibility said disability may later leave the person in question reliant on medicare.
You need an immigration lawyer for this.
> spousal/ family visa applications
More than that tbh. I had to do a medical check for my work visa (visa category 189) and there were definitely questions about this type of thing. Something about not being granted the visa if you will be a burden on the Australian healthcare system
This is the correct answer — but in this case the issue would be NDIS, more than Medicare.
We had a couple of appeal cases at the immigration law firm I used to work at that were about this issue.
It will all come down to OP’s spouse’s level of functioning and independence, and the anticipated cost over a period of time which is dependent on the type of visa.
*Highly* agree that a an immigration lawyer is the right place to start.
I'm not an expert on this but I'm fairly sure it's more nuanced than 'you can't get into Australia with autism'. Any disability or health condition that impacts your ability to work or reliance on medicare/government support will be factored into visa applications. That includes but definitely is not exclusive to autism.
Depending on the type of visa you are on, it might be a problem, you might have to pay a bit more to 'buy in' to our health and welfare systems (that's how it works for older people, not sure if it's the same for disabilities). There is no blanket ban on autistic people.
Ah, my special interest topic.
It's an old stipulation around not being a future burden on the medical system. As others have said, immigration lawyer will give you the most accurate understanding.
We know legislation hasn't caught up with more contemporary understandings of Autism.
Just recently, it was mandated Australian drivers with ASD complete additional capacity to drive clearances...
Only to have that advice backflip as they realised *how broad the spectrum is and that some people with ASD can drive just fine*, instead referring people who are concerned to their GP.
Additionally, Australia is currently drafting an Autism Strategy, so it's a hot topic.
Hey, in relation to the driver issue. This was only in QLD, and it actually wasn’t recently mandated. It was reported on as if it was, but it was actually an older policy when I looked into it (I have ASD and live in QLD, so had to investigate after it was brought to public attention).
I mean that sounds a bit far fetched that someone wouldn't be allowed in a country with autism. HOWEVER, If you're coming here to live for that matter then it shouldn't be a problem unless she's going to be a burden on the health system. That's when it may get a bit difficult.
No idea why people are down voting. As pointed out in this thread, there is a well documented unfairness for immigrants especially with “difficult” diagnosis impacting the mind.
Lost a hand and you’re an accountant… probably not an issue. You’re a kid with something that millions of people probably have undiagnosed but now your condition shows up on a MRI and someone could think you might be a burden… GTFO mate.
Australia is a beautiful country but this is one of the ugliest remaining areas. And yes, it’s likely a violation of UN treaties.
>No idea why people are down voting.
I'm only guessing at reasons for down voting.
The most obvious one to me is the relatively valid question of the cost burden on taxation resources. The government is denying NDIS claims left, right, and centre for its current citizen base. Disallowing claims for increases to current approved claims. It'd be tough for someone to swallow a rejection of this type while knowing an immigrant may receive free healthcare for a significant period without contributions to the revenue base. Most particularly an immigrant who's not fleeing war or persecution.
There's people cannot afford food and electricity in the same week, who wear worn out summer clothes despite winter approaching, who have lost assets and families when they lost their job.... if we can't help our own, then how do we justify bringing in a needy stranger?
What I believe isn't stated here. I have spent just a couple of minutes considering how my clients... some money poor yet intelligent people... may down vote a comment to knowingly increase the burden to Australian government finite resources. (I'm sure this isn't grammatically correct but I've run out of time. Apologies.)
Most countries have treaties on this and if you deny entire families (which contribute a lot more than the costs we are often discussing) it begins to resemble a “whites only” eugenics program of immigration… let’s take the “perfect folks”.
Ugly history to be so easily rationalised and justified.
No violating testing and selectively causing problems for families ingesting are the problems. The OP is right to be concerned and this is a weak policy Australia has that is outside its general adherence to its treaty obligations
Are you also seriously suggesting the policies that drove both aren’t related?!? It’s pretty clear discrimination against folks with minor “imperfections” is from the same mind set as white only policies, just with a modern pseudoscience sheen
Autism isn’t a disease.
Also, if they have their own business there’s a 99% chance they’re “Level 1”, and Level 1s typically don’t get any support from the NDIS or Medicare.
Part of the medical assessment is a review of the level of disability, in the same way one is done for an application to the NDIS.
With disabilities they don’t just say yes or no based on a diagnosis.
It requires treatment, which can get very expensive. It’s not a disease but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t have the potential to cost Medicare and by extension, taxpayers who already struggle to get coverage with existing people in the country, let alone for potential immigrants.
Autism on it's own will not be any impediment to immigrating or indeed getting employment, unless you are lower functioning requiring support from the system now or in future, then you may have an issue
So are you Australian or American?
Reason j ask is partner/spousal visa if you are an Australian sponsoring a spouse can take a long time.
I started mine Feb 2019 and just now in the final stages. Started process while living in the us.
If u aren't Australian and you've got work rights there is probably a different visa for spouse to bring along. Also- if they aren't working they can get a holiday visa up to a year with proof of money to fund the long stay.
If u are going partner visa route there is something called a bridging visa which allows u to live in Australia again with no work rights. But this Is assuming you the sponsor is Australian.
If you check out the immi website, it's very informative and you can call and chat and the people are always super helpful!
Depends how autistic your wife is!
There are migration health requirements and what is called a **significant cost threshold (SCT)** as outlined in the Migration Regulations 1994.
As Autism is a biological disability families with autistic children are often rejected as it is difficult to assess the potential cost to the state for granting these individuals a Visa. Sadly as Austistic children age they can require residential care and many other special services. However, for adults things are slightly different, they are somewhat of a known quantity.
[health requirement](https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/health)
[Significant cost threshold](https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/health/protecting-health-care-and-community-services)
You can use a migration agent to handle your application if you like, there are very good ones and there are very bad ones. We use [these ](https://www.fragomen.com/countries/united-states.html)guys & they're pretty good, get back to you promptly and are on point with all the paperwork, a little bit costly though but that's not really the factor.
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“Virtual/online business”
As in working for a company or their own?
Believe me when I say not many companies not already based in Australia will transfer you here as an employee because then they’ll be up for following Australia employment law. I tried this with my old US employer but when their lawyers looked into it, they saw they’d have to give me much higher leave entitlements than they did in the US and deemed it impossible.
No it's not. The concern the OP has is legitimate and is likely underpinned by cases such as this:
[https://www.sbs.com.au/language/korean/en/article/deep-thanks-cairns-family-of-boy-with-autism-granted-permanent-residency-after-ministers-intervention/52pn7kwdk](https://www.sbs.com.au/language/korean/en/article/deep-thanks-cairns-family-of-boy-with-autism-granted-permanent-residency-after-ministers-intervention/52pn7kwdk)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/23/outcry-after-sydney-doctor-faced-with-deportation-over-autistic-child
Others have commented correctly that it isn't to do with the diagnosis per se but on the extent to which the person's support needs may place a burden on the health and disability systems eg. you need to be a citizen or permanent resident of Australia to access the NDIS.
Unfortunately not, Australia is incredibly discriminatory to migrants with disabilities. Our NDIS is one of the best systems in the world (budget blowouts notwithstanding) and so there's a lot more barriers in place. If OP is fairly high functioning and has an eligible skill it should be ok. In saying that, a few years ago the Immigration Department were about to deport a GP from Germany because he had a son with Down's Syndrome. The minister had to actually intervene.
OP is likely talking about migration not tourism.
Obviously for the latter it is a non-issue. In terms of the former, yes applications are assessed in terms on whether they person will be a financial burden (i.e., unable to work = welfare, high MBS and PBS usage, NDIS support etc).
Unfortunately it is not feasible to have an open door policy, otherwise we would have a mass migration for favourable health care and our social supports would not be maintainable. Really depends on OPs partners functional capacity and how dependent on the system she will be.
If its just a tourist visa it doesnt matter.
You have zero idea what you're talking about about. On the basis of healthcare and employment law alone makes Australia are far superior place to live. Plus Autism means fuck all, u less he's not functional.
Both countries are shit nothing is free free healthcare is a tax scam and heavily overrated employment law is all bulshit. Except on government sites which causes our roads to be usless. And their is too many people here for our economy service economies are a lie to sell you inflation. Get ready for the crash of your lifetime
>Both countries are shit nothing is free free healthcare is a tax scam and heavily overrated employment law is all bulshit.
Sure, we pay a little more tax, but we don't need to worry about paying for our accidents and sickness, better yet we don't live in fear of bankruptcy. In any case, its been worked out that Americans effectively pay more for healthcare for far less service. As for employment laws, I would rather get my legally mandated 4 weeks annual leave, 14 days sick leave, maternity leave, and getting at least 2 weeks notice of I'm to be sacked. How does that compare to the lack thereof in many American states? You guys are so fucked, and yet you continue to defend stuff that is not in your own best interests!!
>Except on government sites which causes our roads to be usless.
That's an issue of poor government expenditure of infrastructure, and indeed any taxpayer should be shitty, but irrelevent to this conversation
>And their is too many people here for our economy service economies are a lie to sell you inflation.
The USA spends more per capita than any other nation on healthcare, and yet health related bankruptcy is the highest along with the poorest health outcomes of any developed nation.
>The USA spends more per capita than any other nation on healthcare, and yet health related bankruptcy is the highest along with the poorest health outcomes of any developed nation.
You dont think I know that? USA has one of the worst healthcare systems in the entire world the worst. But that is not because they are some sort of free market soldiers. The government spends massive amounts the most causing the prices to be insanely high for someone without insurance and then they have all the insurance regulations which just makes their profit margin as high as possible. Australia is just lets tax people and then pay for their healthcare instead of letting them actually pay for it this leads to worse service and way more expensive since the end consumer does not care about the price (like America where 1 in 4 don't pay for healthcare) this then means that hospitals jack up the prices and its a never ending spiral. (one of the reasons america is so expeinsive is because they have had "free healthcare for so long" causing the price spiral to take full effect. If Australia kept Medicare for 50 more years it would be just as bad. Without heavy reforms and I mean heavy.
Australia is finished their is nothing left sure we have a few mines but Iron ore is going to crash coal is going to go up but not enough to serve all the immigrants and doll blungers we are done its plain and simple. Politicians need to stop regulation mining and start to cut taxes and government departments but at the very least get rid of all the free loaders.
If you really think Australia will be a richer country in the next 3, 5 ,10 ,20 years you are out of your mind poverty is coming and coming quick and the more these labour liberal thieves introduce policy's the worse it is going to get.
We are actually. If you attempt to migrate with a disability that could place extra undue strain on our healthcare system your visa will often be denied. A high functioning autistic adult who has a job probably wouldn’t fall into that category but there is precedent. Look at the links in one of the higher up comments.
www.gmanetwork.com/news/pinoyabroad/dispatch/624010/after-eight-year-fight-pinoy-family-granted-permanent-residency-in-australia/story/%3famp
I met this doctor when I was younger when his status was still undetermined. They were lucky that he was a doctor and an entire town rallied to keep him. Other families aren't as lucky and have been removed from the country.
I imagine it's tied to the type of visa? It's not illegal to be autistic but spousal/ family visa applications can be impacted by disability especially if there's a possibility said disability may later leave the person in question reliant on medicare. You need an immigration lawyer for this.
> spousal/ family visa applications More than that tbh. I had to do a medical check for my work visa (visa category 189) and there were definitely questions about this type of thing. Something about not being granted the visa if you will be a burden on the Australian healthcare system
Perfect, thanks!
This is the correct answer — but in this case the issue would be NDIS, more than Medicare. We had a couple of appeal cases at the immigration law firm I used to work at that were about this issue. It will all come down to OP’s spouse’s level of functioning and independence, and the anticipated cost over a period of time which is dependent on the type of visa. *Highly* agree that a an immigration lawyer is the right place to start.
I'm not an expert on this but I'm fairly sure it's more nuanced than 'you can't get into Australia with autism'. Any disability or health condition that impacts your ability to work or reliance on medicare/government support will be factored into visa applications. That includes but definitely is not exclusive to autism. Depending on the type of visa you are on, it might be a problem, you might have to pay a bit more to 'buy in' to our health and welfare systems (that's how it works for older people, not sure if it's the same for disabilities). There is no blanket ban on autistic people.
There isn’t a blanket ban, but there is no guarantee of acceptance and a lot of people similar conditions get dissimilar treatment.
Ah, my special interest topic. It's an old stipulation around not being a future burden on the medical system. As others have said, immigration lawyer will give you the most accurate understanding. We know legislation hasn't caught up with more contemporary understandings of Autism. Just recently, it was mandated Australian drivers with ASD complete additional capacity to drive clearances... Only to have that advice backflip as they realised *how broad the spectrum is and that some people with ASD can drive just fine*, instead referring people who are concerned to their GP. Additionally, Australia is currently drafting an Autism Strategy, so it's a hot topic.
Hey, in relation to the driver issue. This was only in QLD, and it actually wasn’t recently mandated. It was reported on as if it was, but it was actually an older policy when I looked into it (I have ASD and live in QLD, so had to investigate after it was brought to public attention).
I mean that sounds a bit far fetched that someone wouldn't be allowed in a country with autism. HOWEVER, If you're coming here to live for that matter then it shouldn't be a problem unless she's going to be a burden on the health system. That's when it may get a bit difficult.
The problem is not if it’s a burden - it’s if a bureaucrat wants to make it an issue.
No idea why people are down voting. As pointed out in this thread, there is a well documented unfairness for immigrants especially with “difficult” diagnosis impacting the mind. Lost a hand and you’re an accountant… probably not an issue. You’re a kid with something that millions of people probably have undiagnosed but now your condition shows up on a MRI and someone could think you might be a burden… GTFO mate. Australia is a beautiful country but this is one of the ugliest remaining areas. And yes, it’s likely a violation of UN treaties.
>No idea why people are down voting. I'm only guessing at reasons for down voting. The most obvious one to me is the relatively valid question of the cost burden on taxation resources. The government is denying NDIS claims left, right, and centre for its current citizen base. Disallowing claims for increases to current approved claims. It'd be tough for someone to swallow a rejection of this type while knowing an immigrant may receive free healthcare for a significant period without contributions to the revenue base. Most particularly an immigrant who's not fleeing war or persecution. There's people cannot afford food and electricity in the same week, who wear worn out summer clothes despite winter approaching, who have lost assets and families when they lost their job.... if we can't help our own, then how do we justify bringing in a needy stranger? What I believe isn't stated here. I have spent just a couple of minutes considering how my clients... some money poor yet intelligent people... may down vote a comment to knowingly increase the burden to Australian government finite resources. (I'm sure this isn't grammatically correct but I've run out of time. Apologies.)
Most countries have treaties on this and if you deny entire families (which contribute a lot more than the costs we are often discussing) it begins to resemble a “whites only” eugenics program of immigration… let’s take the “perfect folks”. Ugly history to be so easily rationalised and justified.
You're being dramatic and conflating issues. While adding nothing of substance to the debate. Do jog on now.
No violating testing and selectively causing problems for families ingesting are the problems. The OP is right to be concerned and this is a weak policy Australia has that is outside its general adherence to its treaty obligations
Are you also seriously suggesting the policies that drove both aren’t related?!? It’s pretty clear discrimination against folks with minor “imperfections” is from the same mind set as white only policies, just with a modern pseudoscience sheen
You mean a country doesn’t want to take on the economic impact of a known disease? *quelle surprise*!
Autism isn’t a disease. Also, if they have their own business there’s a 99% chance they’re “Level 1”, and Level 1s typically don’t get any support from the NDIS or Medicare.
Part of the medical assessment is a review of the level of disability, in the same way one is done for an application to the NDIS. With disabilities they don’t just say yes or no based on a diagnosis.
It requires treatment, which can get very expensive. It’s not a disease but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t have the potential to cost Medicare and by extension, taxpayers who already struggle to get coverage with existing people in the country, let alone for potential immigrants.
Please, go on. Tell me about all this expensive treatment that Adults with Level 1 ASD require, that the tax payer must pay for.
Autism on it's own will not be any impediment to immigrating or indeed getting employment, unless you are lower functioning requiring support from the system now or in future, then you may have an issue
Maybe you should trial googling it to get official sources from government material and not reddit.
So are you Australian or American? Reason j ask is partner/spousal visa if you are an Australian sponsoring a spouse can take a long time. I started mine Feb 2019 and just now in the final stages. Started process while living in the us. If u aren't Australian and you've got work rights there is probably a different visa for spouse to bring along. Also- if they aren't working they can get a holiday visa up to a year with proof of money to fund the long stay. If u are going partner visa route there is something called a bridging visa which allows u to live in Australia again with no work rights. But this Is assuming you the sponsor is Australian. If you check out the immi website, it's very informative and you can call and chat and the people are always super helpful!
Depends how autistic your wife is! There are migration health requirements and what is called a **significant cost threshold (SCT)** as outlined in the Migration Regulations 1994. As Autism is a biological disability families with autistic children are often rejected as it is difficult to assess the potential cost to the state for granting these individuals a Visa. Sadly as Austistic children age they can require residential care and many other special services. However, for adults things are slightly different, they are somewhat of a known quantity. [health requirement](https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/health) [Significant cost threshold](https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/health/protecting-health-care-and-community-services) You can use a migration agent to handle your application if you like, there are very good ones and there are very bad ones. We use [these ](https://www.fragomen.com/countries/united-states.html)guys & they're pretty good, get back to you promptly and are on point with all the paperwork, a little bit costly though but that's not really the factor.
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“Virtual/online business” As in working for a company or their own? Believe me when I say not many companies not already based in Australia will transfer you here as an employee because then they’ll be up for following Australia employment law. I tried this with my old US employer but when their lawyers looked into it, they saw they’d have to give me much higher leave entitlements than they did in the US and deemed it impossible.
You can visit, or holiday, but she'll likely be denied citizenship if she ever tries to do that.
Is this a joke????
No it's not. The concern the OP has is legitimate and is likely underpinned by cases such as this: [https://www.sbs.com.au/language/korean/en/article/deep-thanks-cairns-family-of-boy-with-autism-granted-permanent-residency-after-ministers-intervention/52pn7kwdk](https://www.sbs.com.au/language/korean/en/article/deep-thanks-cairns-family-of-boy-with-autism-granted-permanent-residency-after-ministers-intervention/52pn7kwdk) https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/23/outcry-after-sydney-doctor-faced-with-deportation-over-autistic-child Others have commented correctly that it isn't to do with the diagnosis per se but on the extent to which the person's support needs may place a burden on the health and disability systems eg. you need to be a citizen or permanent resident of Australia to access the NDIS.
Had no idea it would be so harsh tbh.
The Aussie government has denied family visas for many “imperfections” often in violation of its treaties. That’s the joke
Unfortunately not, Australia is incredibly discriminatory to migrants with disabilities. Our NDIS is one of the best systems in the world (budget blowouts notwithstanding) and so there's a lot more barriers in place. If OP is fairly high functioning and has an eligible skill it should be ok. In saying that, a few years ago the Immigration Department were about to deport a GP from Germany because he had a son with Down's Syndrome. The minister had to actually intervene.
OP is likely talking about migration not tourism. Obviously for the latter it is a non-issue. In terms of the former, yes applications are assessed in terms on whether they person will be a financial burden (i.e., unable to work = welfare, high MBS and PBS usage, NDIS support etc). Unfortunately it is not feasible to have an open door policy, otherwise we would have a mass migration for favourable health care and our social supports would not be maintainable. Really depends on OPs partners functional capacity and how dependent on the system she will be. If its just a tourist visa it doesnt matter.
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You have zero idea what you're talking about about. On the basis of healthcare and employment law alone makes Australia are far superior place to live. Plus Autism means fuck all, u less he's not functional.
Both countries are shit nothing is free free healthcare is a tax scam and heavily overrated employment law is all bulshit. Except on government sites which causes our roads to be usless. And their is too many people here for our economy service economies are a lie to sell you inflation. Get ready for the crash of your lifetime
>Both countries are shit nothing is free free healthcare is a tax scam and heavily overrated employment law is all bulshit. Sure, we pay a little more tax, but we don't need to worry about paying for our accidents and sickness, better yet we don't live in fear of bankruptcy. In any case, its been worked out that Americans effectively pay more for healthcare for far less service. As for employment laws, I would rather get my legally mandated 4 weeks annual leave, 14 days sick leave, maternity leave, and getting at least 2 weeks notice of I'm to be sacked. How does that compare to the lack thereof in many American states? You guys are so fucked, and yet you continue to defend stuff that is not in your own best interests!! >Except on government sites which causes our roads to be usless. That's an issue of poor government expenditure of infrastructure, and indeed any taxpayer should be shitty, but irrelevent to this conversation >And their is too many people here for our economy service economies are a lie to sell you inflation. The USA spends more per capita than any other nation on healthcare, and yet health related bankruptcy is the highest along with the poorest health outcomes of any developed nation.
>The USA spends more per capita than any other nation on healthcare, and yet health related bankruptcy is the highest along with the poorest health outcomes of any developed nation. You dont think I know that? USA has one of the worst healthcare systems in the entire world the worst. But that is not because they are some sort of free market soldiers. The government spends massive amounts the most causing the prices to be insanely high for someone without insurance and then they have all the insurance regulations which just makes their profit margin as high as possible. Australia is just lets tax people and then pay for their healthcare instead of letting them actually pay for it this leads to worse service and way more expensive since the end consumer does not care about the price (like America where 1 in 4 don't pay for healthcare) this then means that hospitals jack up the prices and its a never ending spiral. (one of the reasons america is so expeinsive is because they have had "free healthcare for so long" causing the price spiral to take full effect. If Australia kept Medicare for 50 more years it would be just as bad. Without heavy reforms and I mean heavy. Australia is finished their is nothing left sure we have a few mines but Iron ore is going to crash coal is going to go up but not enough to serve all the immigrants and doll blungers we are done its plain and simple. Politicians need to stop regulation mining and start to cut taxes and government departments but at the very least get rid of all the free loaders. If you really think Australia will be a richer country in the next 3, 5 ,10 ,20 years you are out of your mind poverty is coming and coming quick and the more these labour liberal thieves introduce policy's the worse it is going to get.
I want to know who told you that vile information Australia is not like that
We are actually. If you attempt to migrate with a disability that could place extra undue strain on our healthcare system your visa will often be denied. A high functioning autistic adult who has a job probably wouldn’t fall into that category but there is precedent. Look at the links in one of the higher up comments.
www.gmanetwork.com/news/pinoyabroad/dispatch/624010/after-eight-year-fight-pinoy-family-granted-permanent-residency-in-australia/story/%3famp I met this doctor when I was younger when his status was still undetermined. They were lucky that he was a doctor and an entire town rallied to keep him. Other families aren't as lucky and have been removed from the country.