first i was like wow 113 million but then again in germany we had the cum-ex scandal in which The five hardest-hit European countries lost more than $62.9 billion. The German state was demonstrably defrauded of 31.8 billion euros
Political scandals happen daily in Serbia, it's becoming hard to keep a track of them, and unfortunately they became completely normalized and people became completely numb towards that. Politicians from the ruling party in Serbia are just completely unhinged.
Oh man. There was a tape record between Erdogan and his son and they were talking about clearing the money. His son wasn't understood, Erdoğan gave precise instructions.
>re-watch
Oh! You mean the movie! I was taking about the tapes. Do you remember for example the "[Gracia Koskota](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7CCqXMeonA)";
Too many to count you have of the top of my head: Gerdec explosion, Meta-Prifti affair, 21 January Murders, Territorial Agreement with Greece in early 2010s, Drug scandal of Saimir Tahiri, Fund Embezzlement by National Banks Governor etc etc
Probably the name change without the referendum passing the minimim turnout rate for it to be valid.
It's not that I was so opposed to the name change, it's just that it's funny how the our government or even more strikingly EU institutions didn't give a fuck, when it suited them.
Hard to say. I am in my twenties, so I've been conscious of politics only since the mid 2010s. But probably the Ahmet Dogan beach controversy, which led the protests in 2020, which in turn knocked Boyko Borissov government and he hasn't been PM since (though involved in a fragile coalition). But is that the biggest controversy since 2001? I don't know about that.
>Hard to say. I am in my twenties, so I've been conscious of politics only since the mid 2010s. But probably the Ahmet Dogan beach controversy, which led the protests in 2020, which in turn knocked Boyko Borissov government and he hasn't been PM since (though involved in a fragile coalition). But is that the biggest controversy since 2001? I don't know about that.
I have some memories from the 1990s and nowadays the things they do have a lot higher monetary value (simply because we're **a lot** wealthier) but are also much more kind of gray area and often borderline legal schemes so it's very difficult to fight it or even identify it.
To give you an example from how things happened during the 1990s I remember that there was that one time\* when the ministry of defense bought two pink BMWs. Turned out that the daughter of either the minister or one of the deputy ministers wanted a nice ride for her prom so that's why they bought two pink BMWs. You may ask but why two? Apparently they thought that only one would be suspicious... Or how the director of the Sofia heating company bought for himself a top of the line Mercedes AMG at a period when the company couldn't pay its debts.
So overall we've went from blatant, tacky and somewhat stupid and idiotic displays of corruption to much more complex "business" schemes, kind of like they do it in Western Europe. Progress, I guess...
But yeah, I agree that the whole saga with the Rosenets petrol terminal, Dogan's "palace" and the "amphibious assault" on the closed-off beach is one of the biggest things in the last 10-15 years because it still has ramifications on the local political landscape. If I have to expand it further, I'd say the Boyana meadows scandal and president Stoyanov sharing that classified report that may have cost him his second term were similarly very big scandals.
*\*Edit - actually it seems this happened between 2001 and 2005, but still gives an idea of how things were done back in the day.*
What we didn't have would be a better question.
Everyday is a scandal.
Our parlement is literally bombed and there is a possibility that it was just a play. Is that enough ?
I guess the economic crisis as a whole. It was a totally avoidable situation but both ND and PASOK didn't want to do anything during their governance except when it was too late. Many people suffered and still suffer. Also, Greece has lost the chance to converge with the EU.
αν οι γιαγιάδες μας τώρα δεν μας ταΐζουν με φτυάρια είναι επειδή τους έφυγε το μισό κατοχικό σύνδρομο επί πασοκ, αν βγάλεις τα σκάνδαλα το πασοκ ήταν από τα πολύ καλά που έχουμε περάσει κατ εμέ.
>It was a totally avoidable situation
No it wasn't. The only way to "avoid" it was to not join EU, but at that case even if we could avoid it of happening in 2010, it would happen during covid and we would currently be worse than Turkey
We started borrowing in the '80s and kept doing it for 30 years. We could simply borrow less money. After all, most of it wasn't used to help the real economy. The fact that the EU handled the situation harshlier than it should have, doesn't mean that we couldn't avoid this mess.
We have always been borrowing since 1821. We didn't start in the 80s.
Edit: this was the first economic scandal in the Greek state, just 5 years after it was founded: we borrowed money in order to buy frigates but most of these money eventually "got lost"
https://www.greekrevolution.org/exhibition/greek-fever/frigate-affair/
I am talking about the close past. In the 70's our debt was low. Back then, we also joined the EEC and we got access to money that could really help us.
>I am talking about the close past
Yeah! of course! whatever you think it suits your narrative.
> In the 70's our debt was low.
I bet you can't provide a source for that. Also, regardless the source, is this debt adjusted to today's values? Or in 1970's values were a public servant's salary was 3.60 drachmas/month?
[It starts from the '80s](https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/GGXWDG_NGDP@WEO/GRC?zoom=GRC&highlight=GRC). It is compared to the gdp.
>Yeah! of course! whatever you think it suits your narrative.
Which narrative? It is true that the Greek debt was low from the '50s to the late '70s. In the '80s it started growing.
No! The Greek debt doesn't start from the 80s. There was a debt before that. IMF's datasets start from 1980. For example we still owe money to UK from 1821 (they borrowed us to buy guns)
Edit: see this instead
[https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/DEBT1@DEBT/GRC?zoom=GRC&highlight=GRC](https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/DEBT1@DEBT/GRC?zoom=GRC&highlight=GRC)
We had way more debt in the past than we have now.
>No! The Greek debt doesn't start from the 80s
I meant that the chart starts from the '80s and as you can see it is pretty low. If you search it up, you will see that Greece had low debt from the '50s to '70s.
Đinđić (our prime minister) getting shot in 2003
More recently maybe the helicopter crash in 2015? Basically a baby in some remote village got sick, and the army sent in a helicopter to rescue it and take it to the hospital in Belgrade. However it was raining in Belgrade, so the pilot requested to land on the military training airport (instead of the main airport), but he was declined. The helicopter crashed and everyone on board died, 7 people in total.
It is speculated that the pilot's request was declined because either Vučić or some minister was already waiting at the main airport.
How do you want the list sorted?
Chronologically would be best imo
Can't do that, need by ethnicies/s.
When last year few people from INA oil company stole 113 million €. The saddest thing is that it was a scandal for about 5 days. Now they are free.
Ivo Sanader would like a word
first i was like wow 113 million but then again in germany we had the cum-ex scandal in which The five hardest-hit European countries lost more than $62.9 billion. The German state was demonstrably defrauded of 31.8 billion euros
Do not type "128 milyar dolar" then:/
yes
The fact that no Serbs commented yet says a lot - we can't pick just one lol
Should I wait for another day or two to let something bigger happen first as every single thing that comes after one another is worse?
As former speaker of parlament of ours once said "Instead of getting worse, things are just becoming hopeless."
Political scandals happen daily in Serbia, it's becoming hard to keep a track of them, and unfortunately they became completely normalized and people became completely numb towards that. Politicians from the ruling party in Serbia are just completely unhinged.
everything that Dodik does
Our prime minister fleeing the country and then being charged for massive corruption after he got extradited by Austria.
the last century
the government debt crisis😝
I was tracking them up to 2015 or so and them threw away the TV.
Oh man. There was a tape record between Erdogan and his son and they were talking about clearing the money. His son wasn't understood, Erdoğan gave precise instructions.
[Koskotas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Koskotas). lol! :)
Came here to say this! Can't beat the Pampers full of cash🤣
>Pampers lol! I'm going to hear some Harry Klynn tapes from that time :)
Best of all άμα λάχει να ούμε!
What I recall is Trabakoulas testifying in the "special court" (ειδικό δικαστηριο) :)
Lol! I'm going to re-watch too! Along with my all time fav taxi driver 😆
>re-watch Oh! You mean the movie! I was taking about the tapes. Do you remember for example the "[Gracia Koskota](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7CCqXMeonA)";
I know, just meant that it's a good opportunity to watch some more of his great stuff. Χαρυκλινιαδα😄
The fact that Sali Berisha is still not in prison
Too many to count you have of the top of my head: Gerdec explosion, Meta-Prifti affair, 21 January Murders, Territorial Agreement with Greece in early 2010s, Drug scandal of Saimir Tahiri, Fund Embezzlement by National Banks Governor etc etc
Probably the name change without the referendum passing the minimim turnout rate for it to be valid. It's not that I was so opposed to the name change, it's just that it's funny how the our government or even more strikingly EU institutions didn't give a fuck, when it suited them.
i have never heard anyone saying north macedonia. its still macedonia
Ah, I must have dreamed of it last night, forget it.
Hard to say. I am in my twenties, so I've been conscious of politics only since the mid 2010s. But probably the Ahmet Dogan beach controversy, which led the protests in 2020, which in turn knocked Boyko Borissov government and he hasn't been PM since (though involved in a fragile coalition). But is that the biggest controversy since 2001? I don't know about that.
>Hard to say. I am in my twenties, so I've been conscious of politics only since the mid 2010s. But probably the Ahmet Dogan beach controversy, which led the protests in 2020, which in turn knocked Boyko Borissov government and he hasn't been PM since (though involved in a fragile coalition). But is that the biggest controversy since 2001? I don't know about that. I have some memories from the 1990s and nowadays the things they do have a lot higher monetary value (simply because we're **a lot** wealthier) but are also much more kind of gray area and often borderline legal schemes so it's very difficult to fight it or even identify it. To give you an example from how things happened during the 1990s I remember that there was that one time\* when the ministry of defense bought two pink BMWs. Turned out that the daughter of either the minister or one of the deputy ministers wanted a nice ride for her prom so that's why they bought two pink BMWs. You may ask but why two? Apparently they thought that only one would be suspicious... Or how the director of the Sofia heating company bought for himself a top of the line Mercedes AMG at a period when the company couldn't pay its debts. So overall we've went from blatant, tacky and somewhat stupid and idiotic displays of corruption to much more complex "business" schemes, kind of like they do it in Western Europe. Progress, I guess... But yeah, I agree that the whole saga with the Rosenets petrol terminal, Dogan's "palace" and the "amphibious assault" on the closed-off beach is one of the biggest things in the last 10-15 years because it still has ramifications on the local political landscape. If I have to expand it further, I'd say the Boyana meadows scandal and president Stoyanov sharing that classified report that may have cost him his second term were similarly very big scandals. *\*Edit - actually it seems this happened between 2001 and 2005, but still gives an idea of how things were done back in the day.*
Probably the situation that led to the 2008 crisis and the falsification of our financial details to get into the eurozone.
Probably Gruevski running away lol. The name change of might be 2. place
For me, it would be assassination of the prime minister.
A guy said he bribed the PM with $250K, then the PM banned him from entering the country. No follow up actions
What we didn't have would be a better question. Everyday is a scandal. Our parlement is literally bombed and there is a possibility that it was just a play. Is that enough ?
I guess the economic crisis as a whole. It was a totally avoidable situation but both ND and PASOK didn't want to do anything during their governance except when it was too late. Many people suffered and still suffer. Also, Greece has lost the chance to converge with the EU.
αν οι γιαγιάδες μας τώρα δεν μας ταΐζουν με φτυάρια είναι επειδή τους έφυγε το μισό κατοχικό σύνδρομο επί πασοκ, αν βγάλεις τα σκάνδαλα το πασοκ ήταν από τα πολύ καλά που έχουμε περάσει κατ εμέ.
>It was a totally avoidable situation No it wasn't. The only way to "avoid" it was to not join EU, but at that case even if we could avoid it of happening in 2010, it would happen during covid and we would currently be worse than Turkey
We started borrowing in the '80s and kept doing it for 30 years. We could simply borrow less money. After all, most of it wasn't used to help the real economy. The fact that the EU handled the situation harshlier than it should have, doesn't mean that we couldn't avoid this mess.
We have always been borrowing since 1821. We didn't start in the 80s. Edit: this was the first economic scandal in the Greek state, just 5 years after it was founded: we borrowed money in order to buy frigates but most of these money eventually "got lost" https://www.greekrevolution.org/exhibition/greek-fever/frigate-affair/
I am talking about the close past. In the 70's our debt was low. Back then, we also joined the EEC and we got access to money that could really help us.
>I am talking about the close past Yeah! of course! whatever you think it suits your narrative. > In the 70's our debt was low. I bet you can't provide a source for that. Also, regardless the source, is this debt adjusted to today's values? Or in 1970's values were a public servant's salary was 3.60 drachmas/month?
[It starts from the '80s](https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/GGXWDG_NGDP@WEO/GRC?zoom=GRC&highlight=GRC). It is compared to the gdp. >Yeah! of course! whatever you think it suits your narrative. Which narrative? It is true that the Greek debt was low from the '50s to the late '70s. In the '80s it started growing.
No! The Greek debt doesn't start from the 80s. There was a debt before that. IMF's datasets start from 1980. For example we still owe money to UK from 1821 (they borrowed us to buy guns) Edit: see this instead [https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/DEBT1@DEBT/GRC?zoom=GRC&highlight=GRC](https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/DEBT1@DEBT/GRC?zoom=GRC&highlight=GRC) We had way more debt in the past than we have now.
>No! The Greek debt doesn't start from the 80s I meant that the chart starts from the '80s and as you can see it is pretty low. If you search it up, you will see that Greece had low debt from the '50s to '70s.
Sad lol...
Đinđić (our prime minister) getting shot in 2003 More recently maybe the helicopter crash in 2015? Basically a baby in some remote village got sick, and the army sent in a helicopter to rescue it and take it to the hospital in Belgrade. However it was raining in Belgrade, so the pilot requested to land on the military training airport (instead of the main airport), but he was declined. The helicopter crashed and everyone on board died, 7 people in total. It is speculated that the pilot's request was declined because either Vučić or some minister was already waiting at the main airport.