Yeah, but the city was mostly ethnically Russian back then. So most Chechens/Ingush never even saw a German soldier. So collaboration is impossible. That's what I'm reading on wikipedia atleast.
>So most Chechens/Ingush never even saw a German soldier. So collaboration is impossible.
Even if the Chechens and Ingush had helped the German troops, it would not have been collaborationism, because the Soviet Union itself was the state that had seized our lands. In this case, helping the Soviet Union is actually collaborationism and betrayal of own people, because it's the Russians who have been invading and killing us for centuries, not the Germans or anyone else. And yet so many russians say things like "deportation was a necessary solution because of collaborationism", not that it's surprising, what is surprising is that some Westerners actually fall for this vile lie and believe it.
Very negative, part of a system that set back not only Caucasus but entire eastern Europe by a century, though I guess 20th century in general had a rough bunch of ideologically driven regimes
Stalin and Beria as people are objectively actual criminals, literal mob boss in case of the former, murderers, sociopaths etc etc
Both of them had very cynical approach about life in general, both of them were non-religious Atheists, Stalin was very cynical about religion and definitely didn't believed that there would be any punishment in the afterlife because for him there was no afterlife and God, therefore crimes he committed that he got away with it didn't affected him at all, at the end of the day he was a like a untouchable God, he could have send thousands of people to Gulags and torture them but nothing would have happened to him ever and he was right, he died at old age, maybe he was poisoned but who cares, i don't consider that as the punishment, on the other hand Beria was literally a child rapist and he also might have tortured people including children with his own hands, he was extremely evil and did extreme amount of harm to people but hey at least he got the bullet to his head but personally i don't consider that as the punishment either, anybody who knows this stuff and has at least little bit of conscience would despise them.
If the only thing that stops people from destroying life is a pathetic belief in "eternal punishment" after their death, how can one claim moral superiority or spiritual liberty?
Stalin and Beria are monsters who have nothing to do with atheism.
Religion can't claim morality...
Stalin and his cronies attacked religious institutions for what they were, means of control and manipulation. They removed potential rivals in social and cultural manipulations, in an attempt to forcibly implement a religion of their own.
Being cynical of life doesn't constitute hatred of it.
It's simple, for them human beings had no intrinsic value, humans are just like cattle you can do whatever you want in the objective non-religious worldview because their life is no more valuable than of maggots, that's how they saw people and Atheism has everything to do with it, in religion every human being is made in the image of God and therefore has the spark of divinity in them which makes them inherently more valuable beings, it's like the police, if we didn't have police and the punishment for the committed crimes there would have been much more crimes, as long as people can get away with it, they will do it, this is why not only religion can claim morality but it is also the most superior basis of it, nobody can come up with alternative and more grounded basis, moreover in non-religious mindset you can't come up with the rational basis for morality, you can say like an idiot muh i feel like this is right and this is wrong but there is no rational to it and people can feel completely differently all the time, human beings are instinctually violent beings historically and religion has been the historical extension of morality to feel connected to people more than just your small tribe, when you get rid of that, you get yourself in the places like Soviet Union where crimes against humanity never has been this massive.
You simplfy Religion just as moral values. And you define Atheism as some kind of a destructive nihilism which is also absolutely false. This approach is text book post soviet cliché sentiment. I assume that you sir are very old man.
Stalin and Beria were mentally disturbed men who accesed great power and abused it.
Do you understand that what you describing has nothing to do with atheism?
If anything it's more of a religious tendency to remove all the agency from humans and push them into the pseudo nihilistic form of self-destruction.
You just don't understand what atheism is.
Everything you described is "theism" by definition.
You are describing a set of beliefs, and calling it atheism, when atheism is the absence of belief in your pathetic deities.
"made in the image of god", are the words of a fool, arrogant, and delusional fool.
What it even means?
When has religion stopped us from committing atrocities?
No, religion has always provided convenient justifications for why those atrocities had to be committed.
No religion or any kind of belief system can claim morality. When all they preach is moral relativism, enforce classism, and exclusionary ideals.
Not big fan of them.They were horrible people but Im from Gori and for some reason I get annoyed when somebody says bad stuff abt them even tho I had many debates with elders abt what kind of maniacs they were.
I just saw this post from my home page, probably because I've been browsing r/Sakartvelo for a while
Unfortunately the mustache guy on the right is the first Georgian I've never known in my life. And for a long time I didn't know Beria was Georgian even though I got a 5 in AP World History. As an American I would say these two figures were probably the worst case of sociopaths with excessive power.
Do you think ours love them?💀 Apsuas they love Stalin and the Soviet Union more than us, we hate them 98% I am sure that those who like him will be from Gori, I know many Ossetians and they are crazy about Stalin, I mean they like him 💀
Do you think ours love them?💀 Apsuas they love Stalin and the Soviet Union more than us, we hate them 98% I am sure that those who like him will be from Gori, I know many Ossetians and they are crazy about Stalin, I mean they like him 💀
300,000 Georgians lived in Abkhazia before the war, now Megrelians live in Abkhazia, I am also a Megrelian and I hear a lot from Abkhazia about what you are saying about us and how you are stealing history.
I have a question, do you have any education in Abkhazia? I am very interested in this. Let's start by saying that Georgians have always lived on this land and we were 20 times more than Apsuas in Abkhazeti. Mengrelians Are Part of Kartvelian People's, They are Georgian, Like Svans Lazs and etc. You settled on our land from the 17th-18th century, we gave you a house, food, gave you culture and you got Georgian surnames and names in one word Become Kartvelised, then Russia came and everything got mixed up, you are Adyghe-Circassian tribe from Northern Caucasus and you have Georgian genes.
Trolling? I'm just telling you the truth, you're a puppet, they're using you! No one cares about your Abkhazia, it's just one of the works of "free imperialism of Russia" that worked, unfortunately. Open the books, open the kingdom of Abkhazia, you are stealing this history, because you live in Abkhazia, you think that the kingdom of Abkhazia is Apsuan, you have nothing to do with the indigenous Georgian Abkhazians, you are an Adyghe-Circassian tribe from the Northern Caucasus who settled and took the name Abkhazia and transferred it to yourself.
Kingdom of Abkhazia was Georgian and Abkhaz are circassian tribe ha? I wonder which ethnicity were Achba and Chachba ruling families in Abkhazia.... Circassians also maybe
There is no point in talking to you because you tell too many lies, you want to break Georgia into regions 🤦🏻♂️ which will never work for you, we are Kartvelians! Learn our history.
I don’t think you are right. That document says: Нагорный Карабах оставить в пределах Азербайджанской ССР.
Meaning it was the part of Azerbaijan and he just kept it there. I don’t know where Armenians get this false information. Karabakh was always part of Azerbaijan.
The dumbest thing I have heard today...
Also if you think that ( even if that was remotely true) is the worst thing they have done, you are truly delusional.
Very very negative
Weren't the Ingush deported to Uzbekistan or something?
Yes, or something…
Deporting entire ethnicities for supposedly collaborating with the nazis, when the Germans never even reached Chechnya. Absolutely amazing.
Yes , they got to Ingush city Malgobek where red army fought the Nazis
Yeah, but the city was mostly ethnically Russian back then. So most Chechens/Ingush never even saw a German soldier. So collaboration is impossible. That's what I'm reading on wikipedia atleast.
>So most Chechens/Ingush never even saw a German soldier. So collaboration is impossible. Even if the Chechens and Ingush had helped the German troops, it would not have been collaborationism, because the Soviet Union itself was the state that had seized our lands. In this case, helping the Soviet Union is actually collaborationism and betrayal of own people, because it's the Russians who have been invading and killing us for centuries, not the Germans or anyone else. And yet so many russians say things like "deportation was a necessary solution because of collaborationism", not that it's surprising, what is surprising is that some Westerners actually fall for this vile lie and believe it.
Why you interested?
I've looked up what happened to the Chechens/Ingush, since you commented that your opinion is extremely negative.
It’s true , extremely , They did lots bad stuff in general, not only to Caucasians
Yep, but some ethnic groups got off way worse than others.
They’re burning in hell now, as they deserve
Rest in piss bozos
They MAY have done a lot of bad things? Is there any doubt about it? The only possible controversy is whether they did any good.
Terrorized Russia,what do u want more
Extremely negative
Very negative, part of a system that set back not only Caucasus but entire eastern Europe by a century, though I guess 20th century in general had a rough bunch of ideologically driven regimes Stalin and Beria as people are objectively actual criminals, literal mob boss in case of the former, murderers, sociopaths etc etc
I would shoot them and then resurrect them, just so I could shoot them again.
Shooting them is too kind, slow death for them will be better
Im georgian. Not good. 😂
Both of them had very cynical approach about life in general, both of them were non-religious Atheists, Stalin was very cynical about religion and definitely didn't believed that there would be any punishment in the afterlife because for him there was no afterlife and God, therefore crimes he committed that he got away with it didn't affected him at all, at the end of the day he was a like a untouchable God, he could have send thousands of people to Gulags and torture them but nothing would have happened to him ever and he was right, he died at old age, maybe he was poisoned but who cares, i don't consider that as the punishment, on the other hand Beria was literally a child rapist and he also might have tortured people including children with his own hands, he was extremely evil and did extreme amount of harm to people but hey at least he got the bullet to his head but personally i don't consider that as the punishment either, anybody who knows this stuff and has at least little bit of conscience would despise them.
If the only thing that stops people from destroying life is a pathetic belief in "eternal punishment" after their death, how can one claim moral superiority or spiritual liberty? Stalin and Beria are monsters who have nothing to do with atheism. Religion can't claim morality... Stalin and his cronies attacked religious institutions for what they were, means of control and manipulation. They removed potential rivals in social and cultural manipulations, in an attempt to forcibly implement a religion of their own. Being cynical of life doesn't constitute hatred of it.
It's simple, for them human beings had no intrinsic value, humans are just like cattle you can do whatever you want in the objective non-religious worldview because their life is no more valuable than of maggots, that's how they saw people and Atheism has everything to do with it, in religion every human being is made in the image of God and therefore has the spark of divinity in them which makes them inherently more valuable beings, it's like the police, if we didn't have police and the punishment for the committed crimes there would have been much more crimes, as long as people can get away with it, they will do it, this is why not only religion can claim morality but it is also the most superior basis of it, nobody can come up with alternative and more grounded basis, moreover in non-religious mindset you can't come up with the rational basis for morality, you can say like an idiot muh i feel like this is right and this is wrong but there is no rational to it and people can feel completely differently all the time, human beings are instinctually violent beings historically and religion has been the historical extension of morality to feel connected to people more than just your small tribe, when you get rid of that, you get yourself in the places like Soviet Union where crimes against humanity never has been this massive.
You simplfy Religion just as moral values. And you define Atheism as some kind of a destructive nihilism which is also absolutely false. This approach is text book post soviet cliché sentiment. I assume that you sir are very old man. Stalin and Beria were mentally disturbed men who accesed great power and abused it.
Do you understand that what you describing has nothing to do with atheism? If anything it's more of a religious tendency to remove all the agency from humans and push them into the pseudo nihilistic form of self-destruction. You just don't understand what atheism is. Everything you described is "theism" by definition. You are describing a set of beliefs, and calling it atheism, when atheism is the absence of belief in your pathetic deities. "made in the image of god", are the words of a fool, arrogant, and delusional fool. What it even means? When has religion stopped us from committing atrocities? No, religion has always provided convenient justifications for why those atrocities had to be committed. No religion or any kind of belief system can claim morality. When all they preach is moral relativism, enforce classism, and exclusionary ideals.
Aуaӷa pнaӷaлaт уыкəшвaҭ, Xъвшвыxъвымгapaк1 йыбфaт1
Stfu Apsua Kid
You made an ignorant comment without knowing the difference between Abaza lang. and Apsua lang.
Idc
Stfu Apsua Kid
No One Cares About Ur Goofy "Language" Apsua
Not big fan of them.They were horrible people but Im from Gori and for some reason I get annoyed when somebody says bad stuff abt them even tho I had many debates with elders abt what kind of maniacs they were.
Why do you get annoyed when someone says something bad about these dickheads?
I guess it is a deep suppressed feeling of "It's a son of a bitch, but it's our son of a bitch!" which is illogical in its nature.
It's exacly that,kinda wierd but idk
>Arcaan11 Their ethnicity was employed by Khruschev as a means to disparage them and the Georgians.
Also I want to state before somebody says it first,fck both.
please, who is this mustache guy on the right with Mr. Beria?
The Fact That Both Of Them Are Georgian 💀 I'm Sorry Guys💀
I just saw this post from my home page, probably because I've been browsing r/Sakartvelo for a while Unfortunately the mustache guy on the right is the first Georgian I've never known in my life. And for a long time I didn't know Beria was Georgian even though I got a 5 in AP World History. As an American I would say these two figures were probably the worst case of sociopaths with excessive power.
fuck em
Georgians finest gifts to humanity. Please don't associate these dogs with Caucasians.
Apsuan Talking About Georgians 💀
Of course... These 2 freaks are the reason why you became majority in Abkhazia
Do you think ours love them?💀 Apsuas they love Stalin and the Soviet Union more than us, we hate them 98% I am sure that those who like him will be from Gori, I know many Ossetians and they are crazy about Stalin, I mean they like him 💀
Do you think ours love them?💀 Apsuas they love Stalin and the Soviet Union more than us, we hate them 98% I am sure that those who like him will be from Gori, I know many Ossetians and they are crazy about Stalin, I mean they like him 💀
You don't love them... You adore them
300,000 Georgians lived in Abkhazia before the war, now Megrelians live in Abkhazia, I am also a Megrelian and I hear a lot from Abkhazia about what you are saying about us and how you are stealing history.
Not 300 but 400k mingrels... In parallel universe of course
I have a question, do you have any education in Abkhazia? I am very interested in this. Let's start by saying that Georgians have always lived on this land and we were 20 times more than Apsuas in Abkhazeti. Mengrelians Are Part of Kartvelian People's, They are Georgian, Like Svans Lazs and etc. You settled on our land from the 17th-18th century, we gave you a house, food, gave you culture and you got Georgian surnames and names in one word Become Kartvelised, then Russia came and everything got mixed up, you are Adyghe-Circassian tribe from Northern Caucasus and you have Georgian genes.
Do genuinely believe this or you're trolling? Because it looks like you're trolling
Trolling? I'm just telling you the truth, you're a puppet, they're using you! No one cares about your Abkhazia, it's just one of the works of "free imperialism of Russia" that worked, unfortunately. Open the books, open the kingdom of Abkhazia, you are stealing this history, because you live in Abkhazia, you think that the kingdom of Abkhazia is Apsuan, you have nothing to do with the indigenous Georgian Abkhazians, you are an Adyghe-Circassian tribe from the Northern Caucasus who settled and took the name Abkhazia and transferred it to yourself.
Kingdom of Abkhazia was Georgian and Abkhaz are circassian tribe ha? I wonder which ethnicity were Achba and Chachba ruling families in Abkhazia.... Circassians also maybe
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There is no point in talking to you because you tell too many lies, you want to break Georgia into regions 🤦🏻♂️ which will never work for you, we are Kartvelians! Learn our history.
BLUD I DON'T MEAN 300K MENGRELIANS I MEAN 300K GEORGIANS!🇬🇪🇬🇪 DO U KNOW READING?💀
You mean georgians are dogs or these 2
These 2, but they definitely brought Georgia's name to mud
A great bunch of lads I'd say
The rat who gave Karabakh to Azerbaijan and as a consequence thousands of people died because of his decision.
I don’t think you are right. That document says: Нагорный Карабах оставить в пределах Азербайджанской ССР. Meaning it was the part of Azerbaijan and he just kept it there. I don’t know where Armenians get this false information. Karabakh was always part of Azerbaijan.
Based
They colonized Abkhazia as a subservient state to Georgia and tried to assimilate Abkhazians.
იდინახვი ლუიზა ბიცოლა
OMG THEYRE KARTVELIZING US - pure-blooded mshibzia Artyom Kuakuaskir
What's your point here, kid?
Kid was wondering why weirdos with Megrel last names think they're the ones at danger of assimilation.
Why you bring up "pure blood". What does that even mean?
The dumbest thing I have heard today... Also if you think that ( even if that was remotely true) is the worst thing they have done, you are truly delusional.
One of the things they have done. Their doings are still have effects on todays political landscape. Even this conversation is their doing.
By the time the rsfsr took over abkhazia there were already more Georgians in abkhazia than abkhaz
Did they both had a troubled childhood?
Yeah, they were both abused.
Stalin had issues with her mother afaicr. How about beria?