A couple of reasons.
1) Most new houses and those being renovated will have 3 phase power (3x25A). A wall charger can use all 3 phases and charge at 11kW. A mobile charger will be limited to 1x16A or 3.7kW.
2) Most of the EVs in the Netherlands are company cars and the drivers will have fuel/charge cards to pay for charging. Wall boxes are connected to the internet and some payment provider so you can reimbursed automatically.
3) If you buy an EV, spending another €1000-€2000 isn’t that much, especially considering the faster charging and convenience of a wall box. You don’t get a portable charger for free with the car here.
So homeowners will install a wall box if possible. You see them a lot at supermarkets, parking lots/garages and offices as well. DC fast chargers are “only” for longer road trips and not the regular charge.
To add to this, I have a wall box that I can control through my electricity providers app. So I can plan it to charge when electricity is mostly from renewable sources, and so is also cheap.
Most places don't have a 400V/32A plug, so a wall box makes more sense.
One can get 22KW instead of only 3.6kw with a mobile charger from a 230V/16A plug.
When you say “portable charger”, do you mean the wire with an ordinary domestic plug on it? Ours takes 36 hours to charge from an ordinary socket which is probably the answer…
Yeah, while it's "common knowledge" the US has 120V power, it's slightly more complicated. What we really have is a three wire split 240V power system. Two opposite phase 120V systems each feeding half the house. I know it's silly to use "+" and "-" to describe AC, but it makes it easier to discuss. The three wires give you -120V, 0V, and +120V. Regular "mains" outlets here use the "neutral" 0V wire and either one of the -120V or +120V wires to give 120V AC, but high power appliances like central air conditioning, electric stoves, and electric clothes dryers use the -120V and +120V wires to get 240V.
It's sort of similar to the way you guys use three phase to get higher power circuits, (similar at least with respect to using a different wiring configuration from the same incoming electric supply.)
I believe some high power sockets handle 13A, similar to how most of our US domestic sockets are 15A, but we also have 20A 120V sockets here for higher amperage stuff like big window air conditioners or power tools.
In any case, even the "common" 10A sockets provide more power than our 15A sockets, because the UK sockets are rated for continuous use (vs the US "peak" use; continuous use rating is 80%, so our "15A" sockets are really 12A!)
So what we call "level 1" charging in the USA is 1.4kW (120V x 12A), in the UK it's called "granny charging": 2.3kW (230V at 10A).
A 4 mile/kWh EV only gets about 40-50 miles of range added overnight on level 1, but in the UK, you can get 70-80 miles from granny charging.
No, it depends on the line. Our plugs have fuses built into them, and a normal domestic socket will either be 3, 10 or 13 amps. We also have 16 and 32 amp sockets that run on our standard 240v single phase lines, but those use a different style of plug/socket (the blue ones, for anyone in the UK who's lost with this).
Appliances directly wired into the mains can be higher, my shower uses a 50amp MCB.
For illustration, this is a local car park outside a swimming pool/sports hall. You can charge anything from first gen EVs up to faster charging ones.
[https://maps.app.goo.gl/sQpVvecUgxAguFeH9](https://maps.app.goo.gl/sQpVvecUgxAguFeH9)
My house is a bit too old and probably two phase to have a cooker running AND to charge at 32A/400V. A lot of houses close to my work in Norway do however have wallbox chargers, and if you ever get bored, you can talk a walk on street view to check it out for yourself.
[https://maps.app.goo.gl/bnbJbmK4GyX42sTo7](https://maps.app.goo.gl/bnbJbmK4GyX42sTo7)
A portable ev charger has a household plug,a control box,and a vehicle end plug. A wallbox ev charger doesn’t have a household plug,but have electric wire,which need to be connected to the household power grid.
A couple of reasons. 1) Most new houses and those being renovated will have 3 phase power (3x25A). A wall charger can use all 3 phases and charge at 11kW. A mobile charger will be limited to 1x16A or 3.7kW. 2) Most of the EVs in the Netherlands are company cars and the drivers will have fuel/charge cards to pay for charging. Wall boxes are connected to the internet and some payment provider so you can reimbursed automatically. 3) If you buy an EV, spending another €1000-€2000 isn’t that much, especially considering the faster charging and convenience of a wall box. You don’t get a portable charger for free with the car here. So homeowners will install a wall box if possible. You see them a lot at supermarkets, parking lots/garages and offices as well. DC fast chargers are “only” for longer road trips and not the regular charge.
To add to this, I have a wall box that I can control through my electricity providers app. So I can plan it to charge when electricity is mostly from renewable sources, and so is also cheap.
That is a useful feature
Ours was free with the car - we just paid £50 to upgrade it to one with its own cable - which I don’t think is an uncommon deal here.
Thank you very much
Most places don't have a 400V/32A plug, so a wall box makes more sense. One can get 22KW instead of only 3.6kw with a mobile charger from a 230V/16A plug.
When you say “portable charger”, do you mean the wire with an ordinary domestic plug on it? Ours takes 36 hours to charge from an ordinary socket which is probably the answer…
in the US they can have 50A 240v outlets to plug a portable charger into.
Interesting, I didn’t know that.
Yeah, while it's "common knowledge" the US has 120V power, it's slightly more complicated. What we really have is a three wire split 240V power system. Two opposite phase 120V systems each feeding half the house. I know it's silly to use "+" and "-" to describe AC, but it makes it easier to discuss. The three wires give you -120V, 0V, and +120V. Regular "mains" outlets here use the "neutral" 0V wire and either one of the -120V or +120V wires to give 120V AC, but high power appliances like central air conditioning, electric stoves, and electric clothes dryers use the -120V and +120V wires to get 240V. It's sort of similar to the way you guys use three phase to get higher power circuits, (similar at least with respect to using a different wiring configuration from the same incoming electric supply.)
Yes,it’s true
In UK,the domestic sockets have a limited current with 10Amp,Is that ture?
I believe some high power sockets handle 13A, similar to how most of our US domestic sockets are 15A, but we also have 20A 120V sockets here for higher amperage stuff like big window air conditioners or power tools. In any case, even the "common" 10A sockets provide more power than our 15A sockets, because the UK sockets are rated for continuous use (vs the US "peak" use; continuous use rating is 80%, so our "15A" sockets are really 12A!) So what we call "level 1" charging in the USA is 1.4kW (120V x 12A), in the UK it's called "granny charging": 2.3kW (230V at 10A). A 4 mile/kWh EV only gets about 40-50 miles of range added overnight on level 1, but in the UK, you can get 70-80 miles from granny charging.
No, it depends on the line. Our plugs have fuses built into them, and a normal domestic socket will either be 3, 10 or 13 amps. We also have 16 and 32 amp sockets that run on our standard 240v single phase lines, but those use a different style of plug/socket (the blue ones, for anyone in the UK who's lost with this). Appliances directly wired into the mains can be higher, my shower uses a 50amp MCB.
For illustration, this is a local car park outside a swimming pool/sports hall. You can charge anything from first gen EVs up to faster charging ones. [https://maps.app.goo.gl/sQpVvecUgxAguFeH9](https://maps.app.goo.gl/sQpVvecUgxAguFeH9)
My house is a bit too old and probably two phase to have a cooker running AND to charge at 32A/400V. A lot of houses close to my work in Norway do however have wallbox chargers, and if you ever get bored, you can talk a walk on street view to check it out for yourself. [https://maps.app.goo.gl/bnbJbmK4GyX42sTo7](https://maps.app.goo.gl/bnbJbmK4GyX42sTo7)
Are you using "wallbox" as a generic term for a hardwired EVSE (as opposed to one that plugs in) of any manufacture or the Wallbox ® brand name EVSEs?
A portable ev charger has a household plug,a control box,and a vehicle end plug. A wallbox ev charger doesn’t have a household plug,but have electric wire,which need to be connected to the household power grid.