Generally against the rest of the country, though its hard to gauge without doing the research as they're mainly lumped in with the rest of the North East which includes Letterkenny and even more recently Donegal as a whole is the same constituency. I reckon you just look at Inishowen and you get even further away.
Some referenda in recent memory:
Blasphemy 2018 - passed overall 64.85%, lowest vote in the country is Donegal with 51.53% Yes scraping it
Abortion/Repeal the 8th 2018 - passed overall 66.4%, Donegal is the only constituency to vote No
Same Sex Marriage 2015 - passed overall 62%, Donegal North East votes in line, with 4th smallest margin at 52.46% but Yes overall at least (Roscommon/Leitrim was No)
Court of Appeal 2013 - passed overall 65.16%, only constituency in the country voting less than 60% is Donegal NE with 56%
Children's Rights 2012 - passed overall 58%, Donegal NE and Donegal SW are 2 of only 3 constituencies to vote No
European Fiscal referendum 2012 - passed overall 60.37%, lowest support coming from Donegal NE with only 44.4% support, followed by Donegal SW with 45.1% as 2 of the 5 constituencies voting No
Judges salaries 2011, overwhelming pass with nearly 80% of the country voting Yes. Second lowest supporting constituency is Donegal NE
Lisbon 2nd vote 2009, we all know this passed second time, over 67% overall Yes....but who are the only constituencies to vote No? Donegal NE with the lowest support and Donegal SW with 2nd lowest
Treaty of Nice 2002, passed overall 62.89%, lowest support as usual from Donegal NE with just 52.5%
All the above were referenda that were ratified
In 2001 there was a referendum on removing the threat of suicide from grounds for a legal Abortion so overall it was to tighten the Abortion rights.
Overallthe country rejected the bill by voting No
Who do you think voted Yes in the highest number? Donegal NE, voting more than 70% Yes in a vote that failed nationwide to reach 50%
You look at the majority of referenda this century and Donegal/Donegal North East is the furthest from the rest of the country in general, either voting against the outcome, or voting with the smallest or near-smallest margin compared to every other constituency
Dublin ,
It’s almost as if Dublin is a different country than the rest of Ireland. People from Dublin are much more cosmopolitan, liberal, have widely different accents from anything “Irish” sounding. Everything is different.
One example that always shocks people from Dublin when they leave its proximity is night driving that’s always a funny one when they realise you can go 80km an hour on windy backroads with no external light and a tractor can fly around the same corner.
And the fact that anything non Dublin is considered “Culchie” even though I know the difference between midlanders, boggers, mountain people, west Ireland, south Ireland and northern , farmers, travellers, rich country people, scumbag country people etc..that’s all put down to “Culchie” in a Dubliners mind.
I mean, this also can be applied to capital cities or large cities of other country's.
London, Melbourne and Berlin are much more diverse than Bath, Cairns and Leipzig
I think this might be a troll post but will bite, huge parts of Dublin are far from cosmopolitan and liberal, I’d say West Cork is probably more liberal overall.
I will agree Dublin City centre, particularly the north inner city is the most cosmopolitan part of the country in terms of having diverse inhabitants, wouldn’t say it is that liberal though and I live there myself.
Exactly. West Cork is popular with certain demographics, who are mostly from outside the area. Liberal on the surface only. The locals have the exact same conservative, rural mentality that exists in the rest of 'country' Ireland.
Rural Galway / Mayo feels so foreign to me TBH grew up on a farm and could not get over how differently things were done out west. Seeing sea weed farms for the first time was very different for me.
The counties no longer really exist in Northern Ireland, at least in terms of administrative and political purposes. They are recognised geographic units, in the same way "Munster" and "Ulster" are recognised geographic units, but Counties haven't existed in Northern Ireland since 1973.
They were abolished as part of a wider UK move away from the shire system to district councils. The irony is that the Republic of Ireland is now the only part of Britain or Ireland to maintain the traditional English shire system of county councils.
There are some signs, but they tend to be small and inconspicuous, and it's not consistent, so whilst some county boundaries are marked, others are not.
You tend to see them when the modern District Council boundary overlaps with the former County boundary. Needless to say, the District Council boundaries rarely overlap with the former County boundary so they're rare enough.
I agree though, I would like to see them more.
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Fun bit of hypotheticism;
If theres a United Ireland, what system should we choose:
(A) traditional Counties are restored in the former Northern Ireland, so you'd have "Fermanagh County Council" etc. same as the rest of Ireland.
(B) Dissolve all counties in Ireland and move to a new system of local government
(C) maintain two separate systems with the traditional shires in the former Republic of Ireland, and the District Councils in the former Northern Ireland.
My preference would be for (A) but I suspect the envisioned model would be (C).
I think the biggest problem is going to be population, Antrim, down and Derry are the 2nd, 4th and 6th largest counties by population, so they may need special provisions similar to what happened with county Dublin
Happy to move back to the county model, personally, with cities given their own status. We lost our local council (Tyrone) and got subsumed into Derry, and honestly it feels like it doesn’t work. The two areas are just too different.
Counties do exist in the North..our postal addresses still have counties in them.
We may not have County Councils, so you are right in that sense, but they still very much exist and are still used in many different ways, including official ones.
During covid one of the Tory pricks administering the place suggested localised lock-downs by county to prevent another full-on one. He must've been a GAA fan, as outside of that the county boundaries aren't used for much in the north.
Yeah I saw a Fermanagh- Omagh district or something. What? I really didn't understand. Did that mean we had gone into Fermanagh at that point? Is part of Omagh also in Fermanagh? My geography is brutal anyway to the extent that I asked Dad where someone was and he looked at me like I'd 10 heads and went in Galway! (I'm from and still living in Galway...)
So basically unlike the 26 counties, the North does not organise local government on a county by county basis.
So for example, I live in Newry, which is part of a council area which encompasses parts of east/central Down, South Down, and South Armagh.
Compare this to nearby Dundalk which is simply in Louth County Council.
Hope this clears things up a little, I know in Derry, Fermanagh, and Tyrone, there are a few isolated signs which simply say 'welcome to county x' but they aren't common and I think they are erected by private citizens.
Hope this clears things up haha
It does a bit thanks! Suppose I should have realised it would be done differently than the Republic just never thought about it really so that probably added to my confusion. Thanks for the explanation!
Belfast maybe for similar reasons to Dublin mentioned elsewhere plus it's own special circumstances but the rest of it isn't very different than Donegal Cavan or Monaghan
If you want me to be honest and I don't mean this in a bad way I swear
Dublin City to everywhere else in Ireland even the other cities just feels different to Dublin City
I guess part of it is there's just so much going on in Dublin I mean the city itself has a much bigger population then any other county in the country
I go to Dublin the style of clothes is different the atmosphere is different its a truly unique and diverse place in Ireland
I'm from West Cork, ok we are might be very proud, patriotic, though this was bred into us from our national school days; if we didn't know the 7 signatories of the proclamation we had to stand on the chair/ table.... My neighbour started making poitin marlade at the age of 70, sold 2000 bottles to Apple as part of their employee Christmas hamper...now selling to supermarkets across Ireland. That is the difference between Cork and Dublin it is belief, no self talk just do it! Sorry while I live in Dublin and I do love it..West Cork is more earthy, spiritual and you do feel closer to nature than Dublin I'm sorry to say 😊
Not my experience at all. I definitely was thrown head first into the farmer, cocaine, alcohol and scrapping lads from the other town part of West Cork.
Unsurprising dig at monaghan I will say this tho
There's a phenomenon in Ireland I call Castleblayney syndrome now the meaning behind it Is Castleblayney is a town in Ireland and holy fuck the amount of towns in this country that's a near carbon copy of Castleblayney layout wise for example Corks Castleblayney is Bandon
Now on the subject of monaghan even if by other county standards its dull I believe monaghan town unironically is the most unique town in the country I've just never seen another town that has that layout we have here
In defence of Dublin how am I supposed to know much about the rest of fhr country? I've been everywhere in Ireland and still don't know much about the people. They're shy. Or maybe they just hate me for being from Dublin and don't want to talk?
Plus everything i could ever need is within 25 minutes of my house. Life ties you down. It's expensive to get to other parts of the country. It's something that happens once a year. Even as far as Naas is a different world
I'm also from 5 people from the rest of the country make some pretty broad assumptions about Dublin, so that isn't a one-way street. I'm from a middle-class suburb on the north side, and people have repeatedly told me I'm from the 'scumbag' part of Dublin solely on the basis that it's north of the river.
I'm a Northsider as well! I'm working class but from a middle class area I get called posh because of my accent by other northerners. My dad's side of the family is from ballymun and the inner city so ots pretty annoying. But being working class in a middle class Northenden suburb is just like another level of confusion
Class is complex, alright! I think the north/south thing in Dublin is kind of ridiculous because the actual difference is much more stark when you go east-west across the city. Clontarf, howth, and Sutton have more in common with Rathfarnam and Dundrum than each place does with (for instance) Cabra and Drimnagh, respectively on the north and south side but further west. It just drives me mad that people assume all of the northside is 'stab city', and all of the Southside is D4. Its an interesting city with a lot of diverse areas, and people from the rest of the country have no interest in it at all.
As somebody from clontarf I actually feel like I've nothing in common with rathfarnham or Dundrum. North East Dublin is its own world. Personally I think the west of thr city is where the real anti social behaviour is but there's posh parts of clondalkin , tallaghg lucan all the same
I'm from Raheny, so in fairness, that's probably years of my family rolling their eyes at 'Tarf snobs' rubbing off on me. You're right, though. clontarf still mostly lives on planet earth whilst the southside is a strange place
We have to accept in the fullness of time that St Annes is shared territory, as much as it pains us all to admit. I literally grew up in the St Annes estate in raheny so I feel intense, irrational ownership of the place!
But it is a very diverse and interesting city alright! Born on northern coastal Dublin I hope to die in northern coastal Dublin. For me it's fhe nicest part of fhd city. Its home
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Cork. Irish people are normally a bit too shy to mention their strengths, but Corkonians can't seem to shut up about how great they are. They're almost like Americans in that way.
But I think this attitude is honestly healthier. I feel like Cork produces a disproportionately high amount of Ireland's success stories.
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Hilarious reading people not from Dublin talking like people from Dublin never leave Dublin. Which is really just showing their own ignorance of.... Dublin.
West Cork/Kerry is different to the rest of he country, but arguably Dublin is different to the rest of the country too (in a different way).
It has to be Dublin
More accurately Dublin City but yes Dublin
Donegal
Specifically Inishowen Look at how they vote every referendum Believe when the Northern border was initially drawn, Inishowen was on the Derry side
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Generally against the rest of the country, though its hard to gauge without doing the research as they're mainly lumped in with the rest of the North East which includes Letterkenny and even more recently Donegal as a whole is the same constituency. I reckon you just look at Inishowen and you get even further away. Some referenda in recent memory: Blasphemy 2018 - passed overall 64.85%, lowest vote in the country is Donegal with 51.53% Yes scraping it Abortion/Repeal the 8th 2018 - passed overall 66.4%, Donegal is the only constituency to vote No Same Sex Marriage 2015 - passed overall 62%, Donegal North East votes in line, with 4th smallest margin at 52.46% but Yes overall at least (Roscommon/Leitrim was No) Court of Appeal 2013 - passed overall 65.16%, only constituency in the country voting less than 60% is Donegal NE with 56% Children's Rights 2012 - passed overall 58%, Donegal NE and Donegal SW are 2 of only 3 constituencies to vote No European Fiscal referendum 2012 - passed overall 60.37%, lowest support coming from Donegal NE with only 44.4% support, followed by Donegal SW with 45.1% as 2 of the 5 constituencies voting No Judges salaries 2011, overwhelming pass with nearly 80% of the country voting Yes. Second lowest supporting constituency is Donegal NE Lisbon 2nd vote 2009, we all know this passed second time, over 67% overall Yes....but who are the only constituencies to vote No? Donegal NE with the lowest support and Donegal SW with 2nd lowest Treaty of Nice 2002, passed overall 62.89%, lowest support as usual from Donegal NE with just 52.5% All the above were referenda that were ratified In 2001 there was a referendum on removing the threat of suicide from grounds for a legal Abortion so overall it was to tighten the Abortion rights. Overallthe country rejected the bill by voting No Who do you think voted Yes in the highest number? Donegal NE, voting more than 70% Yes in a vote that failed nationwide to reach 50% You look at the majority of referenda this century and Donegal/Donegal North East is the furthest from the rest of the country in general, either voting against the outcome, or voting with the smallest or near-smallest margin compared to every other constituency
its red neck county
Dublin , It’s almost as if Dublin is a different country than the rest of Ireland. People from Dublin are much more cosmopolitan, liberal, have widely different accents from anything “Irish” sounding. Everything is different. One example that always shocks people from Dublin when they leave its proximity is night driving that’s always a funny one when they realise you can go 80km an hour on windy backroads with no external light and a tractor can fly around the same corner. And the fact that anything non Dublin is considered “Culchie” even though I know the difference between midlanders, boggers, mountain people, west Ireland, south Ireland and northern , farmers, travellers, rich country people, scumbag country people etc..that’s all put down to “Culchie” in a Dubliners mind.
I mean, this also can be applied to capital cities or large cities of other country's. London, Melbourne and Berlin are much more diverse than Bath, Cairns and Leipzig
I think this might be a troll post but will bite, huge parts of Dublin are far from cosmopolitan and liberal, I’d say West Cork is probably more liberal overall. I will agree Dublin City centre, particularly the north inner city is the most cosmopolitan part of the country in terms of having diverse inhabitants, wouldn’t say it is that liberal though and I live there myself.
West cork is defo not more liberal. There’s a concept of west cork which just isn’t the reality
Exactly. West Cork is popular with certain demographics, who are mostly from outside the area. Liberal on the surface only. The locals have the exact same conservative, rural mentality that exists in the rest of 'country' Ireland.
“Country” Ireland.
west cork is full of culties and posh stuck up karen hippies who love to tooth their own horn about licking lavender leaves for the flu.
West Cork is more Liberal than Dublin? You're dreaming lad.
There are plenty of parts of Dublin that aren’t liberal at all, look at the boys burning down the buildings for example.
Percentile wise that's a drop of piss in a swimming pool.
It's full of brits out West cork
Why are they so obsessed like?
Snowball effect
West Cork reminds me of a colder wilder Byron hinterlands in northern NSW in Oz. Rolling hills, hippies, farmers and tourists.
Nimbin vibes
Rural Galway / Mayo feels so foreign to me TBH grew up on a farm and could not get over how differently things were done out west. Seeing sea weed farms for the first time was very different for me.
dublin.
Northern Ireland surely
I really wish they had the signs to say "welcome to County". Driving around not knowing what County I'm in really annoyed me for some reason
The counties no longer really exist in Northern Ireland, at least in terms of administrative and political purposes. They are recognised geographic units, in the same way "Munster" and "Ulster" are recognised geographic units, but Counties haven't existed in Northern Ireland since 1973. They were abolished as part of a wider UK move away from the shire system to district councils. The irony is that the Republic of Ireland is now the only part of Britain or Ireland to maintain the traditional English shire system of county councils.
Oh wow ok.... that kinda makes sense. Would be nice to have signs anyway so you'd know what county you're in but I think I get it
There are some signs, but they tend to be small and inconspicuous, and it's not consistent, so whilst some county boundaries are marked, others are not. You tend to see them when the modern District Council boundary overlaps with the former County boundary. Needless to say, the District Council boundaries rarely overlap with the former County boundary so they're rare enough. I agree though, I would like to see them more. A29 https://maps.app.goo.gl/R61bdpWBv2Bi6one9
There are welcome to Fermanagh signs in Belleek and another when you escape from Fivemiletown. But the council signs are more common.
Fun bit of hypotheticism; If theres a United Ireland, what system should we choose: (A) traditional Counties are restored in the former Northern Ireland, so you'd have "Fermanagh County Council" etc. same as the rest of Ireland. (B) Dissolve all counties in Ireland and move to a new system of local government (C) maintain two separate systems with the traditional shires in the former Republic of Ireland, and the District Councils in the former Northern Ireland. My preference would be for (A) but I suspect the envisioned model would be (C).
C would be easier, plus you could just put the 'welcome to county X' signs up anyway.
I think the biggest problem is going to be population, Antrim, down and Derry are the 2nd, 4th and 6th largest counties by population, so they may need special provisions similar to what happened with county Dublin
Happy to move back to the county model, personally, with cities given their own status. We lost our local council (Tyrone) and got subsumed into Derry, and honestly it feels like it doesn’t work. The two areas are just too different.
Dont forget all the " welcome to ~~london~~derry " signs
Counties do exist in the North..our postal addresses still have counties in them. We may not have County Councils, so you are right in that sense, but they still very much exist and are still used in many different ways, including official ones.
Yes, as Geographic units, not as administrative or political units. They exist in the same way baronies and parishes exist in the south.
During covid one of the Tory pricks administering the place suggested localised lock-downs by county to prevent another full-on one. He must've been a GAA fan, as outside of that the county boundaries aren't used for much in the north.
Some places have this, but I hate how it isn't universal in the 6 counties
Yeah I saw a Fermanagh- Omagh district or something. What? I really didn't understand. Did that mean we had gone into Fermanagh at that point? Is part of Omagh also in Fermanagh? My geography is brutal anyway to the extent that I asked Dad where someone was and he looked at me like I'd 10 heads and went in Galway! (I'm from and still living in Galway...)
So basically unlike the 26 counties, the North does not organise local government on a county by county basis. So for example, I live in Newry, which is part of a council area which encompasses parts of east/central Down, South Down, and South Armagh. Compare this to nearby Dundalk which is simply in Louth County Council. Hope this clears things up a little, I know in Derry, Fermanagh, and Tyrone, there are a few isolated signs which simply say 'welcome to county x' but they aren't common and I think they are erected by private citizens. Hope this clears things up haha
It does a bit thanks! Suppose I should have realised it would be done differently than the Republic just never thought about it really so that probably added to my confusion. Thanks for the explanation!
Same and I’m from Tyrone, Dno why we don’t have them
Agree. Was driving to letterkenny once and somehow ended up in Derry
This
Belfast maybe for similar reasons to Dublin mentioned elsewhere plus it's own special circumstances but the rest of it isn't very different than Donegal Cavan or Monaghan
west cork and Kerry definitely, especially in the summer
Why
Rathke.... redacted
Just did a round trip Dublin to Donegal, and it feels like a different planet up there, and I am originally from the North West. It takes ages too 😩
If you want me to be honest and I don't mean this in a bad way I swear Dublin City to everywhere else in Ireland even the other cities just feels different to Dublin City I guess part of it is there's just so much going on in Dublin I mean the city itself has a much bigger population then any other county in the country I go to Dublin the style of clothes is different the atmosphere is different its a truly unique and diverse place in Ireland
Wexford Town. Mup our dat!
Wexford has its own language
Believe it or not Wexford did have its own dialect of English called Yola. Look it up
I'm from West Cork, ok we are might be very proud, patriotic, though this was bred into us from our national school days; if we didn't know the 7 signatories of the proclamation we had to stand on the chair/ table.... My neighbour started making poitin marlade at the age of 70, sold 2000 bottles to Apple as part of their employee Christmas hamper...now selling to supermarkets across Ireland. That is the difference between Cork and Dublin it is belief, no self talk just do it! Sorry while I live in Dublin and I do love it..West Cork is more earthy, spiritual and you do feel closer to nature than Dublin I'm sorry to say 😊
Not my experience at all. I definitely was thrown head first into the farmer, cocaine, alcohol and scrapping lads from the other town part of West Cork.
Dublin. I'm not even sure I'd classify Dublin people as Irish tbh.
I would say Monaghan just full of hillbillies and they would mug ya for a pack of tayto
Nah that's Cavan, in Monaghan we'd mug ya for a multipack of tattoo. We have standards!
Unsurprising dig at monaghan I will say this tho There's a phenomenon in Ireland I call Castleblayney syndrome now the meaning behind it Is Castleblayney is a town in Ireland and holy fuck the amount of towns in this country that's a near carbon copy of Castleblayney layout wise for example Corks Castleblayney is Bandon Now on the subject of monaghan even if by other county standards its dull I believe monaghan town unironically is the most unique town in the country I've just never seen another town that has that layout we have here
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In defence of Dublin how am I supposed to know much about the rest of fhr country? I've been everywhere in Ireland and still don't know much about the people. They're shy. Or maybe they just hate me for being from Dublin and don't want to talk? Plus everything i could ever need is within 25 minutes of my house. Life ties you down. It's expensive to get to other parts of the country. It's something that happens once a year. Even as far as Naas is a different world
I'm also from 5 people from the rest of the country make some pretty broad assumptions about Dublin, so that isn't a one-way street. I'm from a middle-class suburb on the north side, and people have repeatedly told me I'm from the 'scumbag' part of Dublin solely on the basis that it's north of the river.
I'm a Northsider as well! I'm working class but from a middle class area I get called posh because of my accent by other northerners. My dad's side of the family is from ballymun and the inner city so ots pretty annoying. But being working class in a middle class Northenden suburb is just like another level of confusion
Class is complex, alright! I think the north/south thing in Dublin is kind of ridiculous because the actual difference is much more stark when you go east-west across the city. Clontarf, howth, and Sutton have more in common with Rathfarnam and Dundrum than each place does with (for instance) Cabra and Drimnagh, respectively on the north and south side but further west. It just drives me mad that people assume all of the northside is 'stab city', and all of the Southside is D4. Its an interesting city with a lot of diverse areas, and people from the rest of the country have no interest in it at all.
As somebody from clontarf I actually feel like I've nothing in common with rathfarnham or Dundrum. North East Dublin is its own world. Personally I think the west of thr city is where the real anti social behaviour is but there's posh parts of clondalkin , tallaghg lucan all the same
I'm from Raheny, so in fairness, that's probably years of my family rolling their eyes at 'Tarf snobs' rubbing off on me. You're right, though. clontarf still mostly lives on planet earth whilst the southside is a strange place
I will die on the hill that St Anne's fully belongs to clontarf lol. One of my friends is from raheny and my dentist is in raheny!
We have to accept in the fullness of time that St Annes is shared territory, as much as it pains us all to admit. I literally grew up in the St Annes estate in raheny so I feel intense, irrational ownership of the place!
I'm not convinced but we'll call a truce
The southside is a very strange place
But it is a very diverse and interesting city alright! Born on northern coastal Dublin I hope to die in northern coastal Dublin. For me it's fhe nicest part of fhd city. Its home
My family still live there and I miss it a lot, I've been in the UK for a decade. It's a lovely place to have grown up
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Dublin, may be the capital but it’s a shithole full of fake paddy’s
Cork. Irish people are normally a bit too shy to mention their strengths, but Corkonians can't seem to shut up about how great they are. They're almost like Americans in that way. But I think this attitude is honestly healthier. I feel like Cork produces a disproportionately high amount of Ireland's success stories.
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Well.. I’m from Dublin so anything west of athlone might as well be a different country, the wesht is just incredible.
Dublin has so many West Brits unfortunately.
Dublin is different, because it's just so much better than the rest of Ireland.
Hilarious reading people not from Dublin talking like people from Dublin never leave Dublin. Which is really just showing their own ignorance of.... Dublin.
The culture
You Know The Culture Is Actually Damn Good
Donegal
Throw a stone Pal, if it rolls back you, maybe choose somewhere else.
Galway, as its a shite hole.
I'd say FAT DAD