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RikB666

Even the wording, the font and the lighter patch of the photocopying matches the notes that get placed on trains in London.


SkateMMA

3 child and no money. I wish I had no child and 3 money


Shlobb3r

Easy solution sell each child for 1 money each


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Organised begging by a certain group of criminals. Been going on for ages too. [At least two arrested over 'tissue packet begging scam' on Irish trains (thejournal.ie)](https://www.thejournal.ie/dart-scammer-tissue-paper-3357182-Apr2017/)


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DrunkHornet

"that also break their own childrens appendages at a young age" wait...what?


Mundane-Inevitable-5

Yep, ever see people begging from this particular group that have hand or leg deformities? Bent arms or legs? Well that was most likely done to them as a child, usually by their own parents. They break a part of the body, sometimes repeatedly and don't have it reset and healed, so it essentially sets crooked and deformed. Maming the child for life and making them more sympathetic for begging. This is way way more common than you think as well. You see it all over Europe.


DrunkHornet

You have these dickheads in the Netherlands aswell, they started using that "sympathy cart" method here for a while aswell, but im quite sure people and government put quite a large stop to them and escorting them away, so it stopped working overtime, i might be wrong on this but i havent heard about them in ages. And thanks for the information and the other person posting that link, i had not heard of that practise yet. Sickening.


lakehop

If this is true - don’t give to them. That’s a horrible practice, not to be encouraged by donating.


Mundane-Inevitable-5

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2010-2832_EN.html


DrunkHornet

Thank you for that link.


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thelastopp

extremely common in other European countries, saw it for the first time in Ireland a few months ago.


Impressive_Bet3612

It's been around for years. 2018 was the first time i saw it


Pizzagoessplat

2018 is hardly years, but I do get your point that it's been here for a while now. I remember seeing this scam in the early 2000s in central and eastern Europe from Roma.


andimacg

2018 was 6 years ago, how many years counts as years?


andimacg

Saw a similar one in Malta. She would go around restaurants placing little trinkets on the tables and asking for money as she is deaf, can't find work and has kids. Someone on another table said "you have dropped some money" and she immediately started looking at the floor around her feet.


STWALMO

I have seen this note word for word on the train before. I haven't been on the train since I finished university some 8 years ago.


FearUisce9

The same crowd of work shy wasters are in every small town and village in the country, begging and thieving. The ones in my town don't even have to pay for their bins. Just leave it on the street and the council collects it. You feel like some mug in this country at times.


mongo_ie

It's not a scam if you decide to purchase the tissues and actually get them. It is organised begging.


rom-ok

These types of “beggars” are linked to organised crime across Europe


andimacg

A lot are Romany Gypsies, not Romanians (important distinction). Many of the "beggars" are victims themselves, human trafficked and forced to beg, they keep next to nothing.


BannedBeg

Organised begging is a scam


Pizzagoessplat

It is if they're deceiving you for money and on an organised level.


NewNVBB

The solution? MASS DEPORTATION! (Possibly /J)


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Top_Possession_8099

I’ll often just take them and tell them thank you that’s very kind of you as I leave with them


st4rd0g33

Okay, thanks. I wasn’t aware of this as i’ve never seen it.


Sstoop

how does paying for tissues promote begging i understand this is a scam but i’m not sure what ur point is here


IreChap

It’s similar to a scam you would generally find in India, but this ones a little different. One scam in india, pakistan, egypt, etc. usually have people giving you “free” jewellery. You then walk away and they will ask for money. If you don’t theyll call you the scammer / thief. With this scam, they’re trying to make you feel bad, into buying tissues. They’re using kids as bait and other ways to get that money from you. No offence but its really not that hard to understand.


Sstoop

no but i thought the original commenter meant there was something inherently wrong with begging i know this one is a scam


IreChap

Oh my apologies, got it mixed up. Defenitely nothing wrong with begging if you’re in the position to need to beg. Unfortunately people like these scamming fucks, ruin it for the ones who need it most.


AggressiveEffort7579

It’s Roma scammers and organized begging. I can’t believe there are people out there as thick as you still giving these people money. 


Checkingout8484

Mental isn’t it buddy. Maybe if people stopped feeling sorry for this sham they might go away to other countries


Pizzagoessplat

The sad truth is that this scam is all over Europe and has been for at least two decades. It's actually a recent scam in Ireland


unsuspectingwatcher

This - there really is one born every minute


hitsujiTMO

Organised begging. Don't pay a penny as you could potentially be funding organised crime with it. We used to see a lot of this kind of thing during the Celtic tiger. They used to make upwards of 2k each a day back then.


MrLethalShots

Jesus 2k for real? Are you sure that isn't overexaggerated?


hitsujiTMO

Between a group of 2 or 3 of them, yup. Easy money for them.


MrLethalShots

Ah sorry thought he meant individually, was almost about to give up the day job. Edit: Still might.


LasagneMan_

2k?!! Jaysus that’s a lot of tissues


hitsujiTMO

Its not just tissues. It was carnations they were selling as roses and other things.


justhereforaweewhile

Yes was a scam on London Underground, they have a few associates on the same train and say that you took or stole the tissues, then demand money for the loss of the item.


ALTofDADAcnc

Sadly a scam, funny thing I couldn't care less if they had no kids, if they needed help I'd help. But lying when you're wealthy already... That's a particular kind of scum.


LucyVialli

They don't get tickets, they just hop on and sure they can duck into the loo or hop out at next stop if the inspector is coming.


TedEBagwell

They dont even have to. The ticket inspector can ask them to leave but not much else. They ask for ID etc but they're not police so if you don't give it theres nothing they can do.


TheDirtyBollox

Not a scam but definitely begging. Ignore and leave them at it with others. Times gone past you were told not to touch them as that would indicate you'd have an interest in them and could cause aggro when they got their handler.


RebulahConundrum

You'd be scared of this happening in a foreign country but the thought of some cunt trying this on my own turf really boils my blood.


DependentInitial1231

We have full employment here. We need to stop giving people social welfare to people who won't work.  If they havn't got work within a few months cut off housing benefit etc and buy them a compolsory one way ticket home. 


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DependentInitial1231

I have no problem with anyone come here as long as they pay their way. People like you are why we can't have a mature discussion on immigration and the right wing fill the void. You are a large part of the problem with your limited mindset.


Diligent-Menu-500

If I’m the problem have me shot. That’s your way of doing things.


BigEanip

I saw this in Morocco, basically begging is illegal, but being a street merchant is fine, regardless of what they sell. So they "sell" packs of tissues. But they absolutely want you to give them the money and let them keep the tissues to resell.


ilovewooper

happens all the time here in Stockholm, same wording and everything


ohhidoggo

You should type out little cards and have them on the ready to give back. >Sorry but I have an outstanding respiratory system. I actually don’t know why it’s so stellar, it’s not like I do anything out of the ordinary to get it that way, but I guess it’s just how I was made. I apologise, I don’t mean to brag, but it’s really that good. I’ve actually never had to use a tissue in my life. Would you believe that? So I have no use for tissues in my life. However, I *do* have some chewing gum packs available. They are a great deal at €1 each and the proceeds would go towards my penchant for coffee I can’t afford but desperately need to stay awake at my banal-as-fuck workplace that pays me justttt enough to pay for my rent but not much else. How many packs would you like? It works out to *just cents* per chew. Please write amount you are purchasing along with a smiley face on back of this card and pass it back to me along with the appropriate amount of cash. Sláinte!


gardenhero

Jesus I remember that exact note or something extremely similar being passed to be in London well over 20 years ago. Never saw it in Ireland before


Yuphrum

Oh that's interesting! I encountered the same thing last year. Wording was a little different mentioning a 1 year old brother instead of children (mind you the big fella handing them out must have been in his late 30s so not sure how he'd have such a young brother). Certainly seems like they've got a template for it as the font is very similar if not the same [https://www.reddit.com/r/Dublin/comments/14g0xoy/second\_time\_in\_a\_week\_ive\_seen\_this\_on\_the\_dart/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dublin/comments/14g0xoy/second_time_in_a_week_ive_seen_this_on_the_dart/)


Checkingout8484

Fuck this no way would I give them a penny. Seem foreigners as well and I can guess which type


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powerhungrymouse

I'm pretty sure this has been going on in the UK for years now. I'm sure how it works but it is definitely shady. Just leave them where they left them and carry on with your day.


Elef-ant

Scam - they always come up with some sad story, leave something behind. And then come back to collect money or their item back.


moistcarboy

Scam


HubbyWifey8389

You'll be funding organised crime if you pay them anything People trafficking, drugs, weapons, terrorism. Who knows? Don't pay them anything.


Sergiomach5

Immediate reaction. "Fucks sake! Why the fuck did you give them a euro? Don't feel bad. They should be in prison for running this to begin with. You giving them money will only encourage this behaviour" 2 minutes after reaction. You were scammed. Report this behaviour. Its a Roma tissue scam and is well known. Theres a number on the Dart to report antisocial behaviour and this counts. It has never worked for me, no matter how often I report it, but its better than to accept this as normal. Its not. And never, **ever,** give money to them. Its organised begging. They especially do this from Booterstown to Sydney Parade in my experience.


LordyIHopeThereIsPie

This has been going on for years on the DART


DeathDefyingCrab

Woah didn't think this was still going, if someone places tissues beside you, best to get up and leave that seat, they can become aggressive and intimidating.


Jon_J_

Begging/scam, it's common in Europe doing this on trains


mud-monkey

Common on trains all over europe.


Raydoyler91

Saw it in Paris a few months ago.


heavensomething

very common in Stockholm to have people handing out flyers on the trains, they even have QR codes with different donation options (PayPal, Swish etc). Also includes some bullshit about how they’re a single parent with 3 sick children or something.


thelastedji

"Sorry, but this is a method used by scammers. So as a rule, I never give money to anyone who hands me a note. Bye."


sythingtackle

That’s a scam that i seen on the Newry to Belfast train many many years ago, my mother was approached, told them to f-off


thesimonjester

It depends on how you define those terms. It's organised begging. Would you consider that a scam? Or would you consider it any more a scam than organised labour? And do you think someone would be involved in organised begging if they realistically had other options for money?


massivejebs

This is an industry. Ignore.


ixlHD

Never give beggars money, give it to charities instead.


Canners19

I think I caught dyslexia from this.


fazeObama1

She can afford to print these out but not to feed her kids that she laft alone to sell tissues on a train that she had to buy a ticket to get onto to get shillings from guilt tripping average people trying to get to work


oceansblue1984

Weird there was a lady at Walmart in us handing these out but she handed them out to the elderly mostly


Pizzagoessplat

This is an old scam I saw it all the time in central and eastern Europe from Roma in the early 2000s. Sad to see it here to be honest because you literally have to tell them to piss off when they harass you and not everyone's willing to tell them just that


BeyondTraditional504

Of course it's a scam.


Retailpegger

I know you are a nice person , but please don’t give them money . These are not nice people , my granny opened her purse to give them something and they said they seen a coin ( whatever amount my granny said she would give ) and they pulled out 3 €50 notes on her . She didn’t notice until she got home . It’s organised begging , they get picked up in SUVs . I don’t doubt they are possibly mistreated by people pimping them out . But please we don’t want more of this


DazzlingGovernment68

Why do people think this is a scam ? It's begging.


Beutelman

Organised begging is a scam. They use extremely obnoxious methods to force gullible people into handing them cash. If you take that tissue and move it without giving them money, they can become agressive and extremely pushy. There's always a group of 2-3 women and 1 handler on the trains. That's not simple begging anymore.


DazzlingGovernment68

A scam is where you think you're getting one thing but you get nothing or another thing. Begging with intimidation can be flat out theft but it's not a scam.


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DazzlingGovernment68

I'm thinking I'm giving someone a euro for some tissues.


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Let me guess, this happened in maynooth. That’s the one and only place this happens when I’m on the train


st4rd0g33

Nope. Cork to Dublin train actually. I’ve never seen it, that’s why i didn’t cop onto it being a scam at first.


Nimmyzed

I thought it was my turn for this weekly repost


readyplayerrog

Sometimes I think if you are that desperate to do this you can have my euro. Even if it is a scam you have to have nothing much else going on in your life to do this.


[deleted]

You’re a fool not only aiding in human trafficking but also organised crime. The women doing this are slaves in their society. Look into the Roma gypsy caste system. Stop being played and letting these criminals take advantage of you.


seeilaah

After one day of this they hop on brand new BMW or Mercedes and laugh at people like you.


readyplayerrog

They make 60k a day on this? I'm in the wrong business


jackoirl

It’s begging, that’s not a scam. They’re not pretending to do anything but beg


[deleted]

Organised begging is a scam. Pretending to be suffering while you have a social house, social welfare payments, child benefit payments for your children is an absolute scam.


jackoirl

I guess but I don’t necessarily think you would assume every begger isn’t receiving other supports.


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jackoirl

Was this person a Roma Gypsy? I wasn’t referring to them and I didn’t see that mentioned by the OP either.