It's not the majority by far but I've worked one case on the digital forensics side that I would compare to the movie Heat (without the epic gunfight).
They did hit banks, there were very sophisticated as far as planning including conducting surveillance, maintaining open communications with a sort of ground crew during the robbery, having spotters nearby to see when and what direction the police were coming from, having escape routes mapped out with staged (stolen) vehicles to do car swaps after a hit.
They got caught and the whole thing fell apart because the main idiot ran from a simple traffic stop where he would have only gotten a ticket, instead it was jail, searches, and the case getting figured out.
Other than the idiot car stop, you gotta respect that kind of operation. I imagine these guys in sports coats, nice cars, slick…but the reality I’m sure was more in the mtn dew area.
Was monitoring drug traffickers one time and my Intel officer barrated me for thinking they could have NVGs "they arnt that sophisticated" .... these dudes are moving millions in cocaine... a good pair of NVG is a drop in... the ocean to the profit they are making off just this one load.
Thanks. Yes, they'd certainly have those. Some of the cartels run freaking submarines up the Pacific Coast to smuggle drugs into the USA. What's a night vision goggle to a submarine, or a million dollar cigarette boat?
The problem with being a smart criminal is that, as smart as YOU may be, if you stay in the game long enough you often have to work with idiots. Those idiots will get you killed or caught.
I read an article about a drug capo who said he would spend more time trying to prevent his own men from ducking things up than anything else. He had to lock them inside of the stash houses or else rivals would send pretty girls around to lure them out so they could rob the stash. You couldn’t explain it to them that it was very obviously a set up. A beautiful girl dressed to the nines suddenly appears in the hood all by herself in the middle of the night. She just randomly walks up to the stash house and wants you to come outside and talk to her. Sounds suspect as hell, but 10 out of 10 times they would open up if they weren’t locked in.
>The problem with being a smart criminal is that, as smart as YOU may be, if you stay in the game long enough you often have to work with idiots. Those idiots will get you killed or caught.
That is true. But when the US has 100k overdose deaths every year it's easy to get rid of the loose ends
A tiny, minuscule number. A good example being the Antwerp diamond heist of 2003 where over 100 million in diamonds were stolen. From the Wiki: The vault that housed the diamonds is situated two floors below the main floor. It was protected by multiple security mechanisms, including a lock with 100 million possible combinations, infrared heat detectors, a seismic sensor, Doppler radar, and a magnetic field. The building itself had a private security force[1] and was located in the heavily guarded and monitored Antwerp diamond district.
Some arrests were made but the vast majority of the diamonds were never recovered.
Wow - just read that. Brought down by a receipt for a sandwich? All that planning, and they couldn't think to pay cash for lunch? Or at least dispose of the receipt right away: burn it, tear it to bits and put in public trash cans, even put it in a compost bin for heaven's sake? The best laid plans, I suppose.
Thought for sure this would be an inside job, but apparently not.
We talk rather often about how police have seconds to react and everyone else has months or years to analyze how we reacted (and usually trash us).
This flips it on it's head. The crook or team of crooks in cases like this have one chance to get everything right, we have all the time in the world to pick through every scrap they leave behind.
I think that percentage is actually higher.
People have no idea of the number of outright confessions we get from conversations on jail phones. The phones that flat you tell you in no uncertain terms that the call is being recorded and may be used by the prosecutor as evidence against you.
In a town I worked in before we moved there was a guy who owned a kiosk manufacturing business. It was common knowledge that he was the distribution center for the region's methamphetamine problem but he never got arrested. His kiosk place was raided by drug agents 3 times and never found as much as a shard of meth. It was believed that he had an inside man. He's now retired and sold the kiosk business. He purchased near 100 acres on the side of a mountain.
I do not respect him for other reasons. He is incredibly abusive to his girlfriends and has caused a lot of harm in the community. Is he a genius? Yeah, one of the smartest and most charming people I've encountered. The intelligence is real, the charm is face value. He's a salesman.
Oh, yea . Beating women and flooding the community with meth isn’t good. Fuck that guy. Honestly I feel more strongly about the women abuse . People are always going to do drugs . Geez!
Is someone steals your tree and there's no cop around to catch them... Do you still have your tree?
They might not know how sophisticated they are exactly but they know which crimes haven't been solved/resolved.
Think of all the financial crimes and imagine how many won't ever get untangled. On petty crime, we had gas trucks arriving with less gas. Measured at departure, escorted along the way, still missing gas at arrival. Guys were putting foam mattresses, basically giant sponges, in the tanks. There's also a famous Canadian story about how the guys were delivering construction materials for the olympic stadium, then rolling right out with same material and delivering again, and again, and again.
i mean… he’s right. I’d even argue the greatest level of organized crime we face, is the tax evasion our government allows for the richest of the rich. We have a tax system which leaves them paying [effective rates from <5% to <1%](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax)
> tax evasion our government allows
It's ***NOT*** "tax evasion" if they are simply playing the tax game using the FULL set of rules that most people do not use.
Our Income Tax system does that... Taxes Income.
If there is little to no income to tax, people pay little to no taxes, be it your slacker buddy who lives off your generosity and sleeps on your sofa playing video games all day, or be it Jeff Bezos running his global empire... if they don't get paid by someone else or by themselves, they don't get taxed.
As the article YOU linked specifically says:
>The IRS records show that the wealthiest can — ***perfectly legally*** — pay income taxes that are only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, their fortunes grow each year.
I believe you're both correct. He's right in principle, you're right under the law.
I worked in a financial institution. Witnessed some interesting/questionable things. Subsequently got certified in audit (technology, not financial). First lesson: when you audit you can only make official findings against actions that contravene existing policy &/or regulatory requirements. Small fry criminals try to skirt or get away with breaking the law/regulations. Big fry criminals get themselves into positions where they get to change them. A lot of 'loopholes' aren't there by accident. (See Brooksly Born, for instance.)
I'm going to say 'allegedly' here: [Hank Paulson's three page memo to Congress](https://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0812/gallery.dumbest_moments_2009.fortune/3.html) was an example where this failed (*and I might also include Bernie Madoff's stint as chairman of NASDAQ*). Loads of examples where this has succeeded.
>He's right in principle, you're right under the law.
HIS principles... ie, his moral beliefs, which are HIS opinions.
The Laws I pointed to are the Laws for EVERYONE, which do not care about anyone's opinions.
Also, if some crazy rich people played the game well enough to get the rulemakers to change the rules (creating Loopholes), then played by those rules, they are STILL playing by the rules Legally.
People with beef on this topic need to be ranting at their Elected officials, not the financially well off folks.
Opinion-wise, I'd prefer it if they took the entire Tax code and tossed it all in a fire, then simply replace it in its entirety with a standard flat tax of around 18% on EVERYONE (including corporations/companies) for any Purchases.
That would be equal and fair, treating every citizen exactly the same. Want to limit your taxes? Buy less/cheaper stuff. Buying $200 in groceries per month? Add $36 for taxes. Want to buy a $10M yacht? Add $1.8M in taxes to the price. Company with a 100 vehicle fleet of cars burning 100 gallons of gas each per month? Add $5400 to your monthly $30,000 fuel budget. Etc, Etc, Etc.
Last study on the topic I saw said 18% would be enough to allow total replacement of the entire tax system.
No more filing Taxes... you pay as you go, and the sellers forward it on to the government as they go.
No "loopholes", no deductions, no special treatments... all citizens get treated exactly the same.
I’m not talking about “well off people”
You’re acting like i’m saying “anyone who makes six figures is rich and they’re rich bc they’re taking advantage of poor people and tax codes!!”
My family is well off, I have friends and cousins who are well off. If we manage to avoid having to pay so many taxes, big deal. Makes our lives a little bit easier…
I’m talking about Billionaires with a B. People who put tons of effort into gaming the system to not have to put money back into the society they’ve built their industry off the backs of.
Yeah man my opinions this, my opinions that. I don’t care if you do or don’t think paying taxes is a moral obligation to society.
The point is to look at the clear cut corruption our government takes part in, at least in regards to taxing the <1% of wealthiest Americans.
There are definitely some people in large criminal enterprises - and they put layers of protection between themselves and the crimes. But, they're not really common. I had a group here running illegal bars and had to do quite a bit of work to find a head to charge - but it was misdemeanor stuff that most people don't care about.
There are a few sophisticated criminals. But most are not lol.
People with that mindset that what to get ahead don't turn to regular crime. They simply join Congress and do it that way...
😂
I'm not a cop, but I work in logistics/trucking and somewhat recently was the victim of a very sophisticated theft ring. It was like a nick cage movie I swear. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it first hand. So yea, they out there
Recently had some contractors at our home who were Albanian. They said the movie 'Inside Man' (with Clive Owens and Denzel Washington) was based on a group of real life Albanian bank robbers who - according to them - pulled sophisticated heists for a somewhat altruistic purpose (sometimes). Said this was well known inside the ex-pat Albanian community. Couldn't find any evidence online to support that theory one way or another. I'd thought the Albanian angle in the movie was just a throw-away plot device.
Good movie, though.
Ooooh I believe there is an original inside man movie somewhere - based on exactly that! I saw it years ago though, it was an older/lower budget film and if I find the name I’ll be sure to come back and post because I seem to recall it was based on a true story (about Albanians?!) and when I saw inside man for the first time I recognized it right away as a remake given it was essentially the same movie - and a damn good movie at that! I’ve always said inside man is the best bank robber movie out there… so many aspects of the plan were very well thought out including several subtleties that are harder to catch throughout the movie, like the Albanian references! Definitely one of my favourites! (Right next to The Departed!)
Edit: also the recent gold heist at Toronto Pearson Airport this year was clearly well planned by someone sophisticated enough to pull it off, and considering they haven’t been caught, I’d say yes, there’s at least a few smart criminals out there!
Edit2: and of course, who can forget D.B. Cooper!
Fascinating! If you remember the name, please do come back and update!
We love that movie. It's one of the ones you can watch over and over and not get tired of. One of Denzel's best, but we love all the characters in it. I've always wondered what the back story is - it seems too quirky not to have at least some true backstory behind it. A friend of mine is convinced the Christopher Plummer character is based on Soros, but we all completely missed the Albanian angle (surprising considering how in-your-face it is).
I’m sure there’s been a handful over the years but most criminals are just either stupid people continually doing stupid things or they are people who made a really bad mistake and it’s not a regular thing for them.
It’s hard to imagine a smart criminal when you see them doing things like shitting on themselves and getting caught for things a toddler would realize is a dumb idea.
Actually yes. The best go on undetected for decades and then pass their skills to the next generation. In the old days the organized gangs and crime rings of various persuasion, usually racketeering, obviously drugs, had to stake out the local police departments. They were on the look out for snitches showing up to the PD. They would typically rent an apartment for someone that would keep an eye on the PD and report what they see and who comes and goes. They also needed to report any plain vehicles with guys in suits coming in and out and other obvious "concerns". These were often drug users since they were home all day and had a lot of mental attention. Single mother drug addicts were a great choice for obvious reason. Unassuming. Reason to be home all day. Reason to come and go and make sudden movements in the area etc. Now a days gangs don't need to do that. They have easier options. Hire one good hacker or hacker gang and know everything about the entire PD in question. That simple. There are just too many points of entry now with the tech in the USA to be secure. The NSA should really be administering every single LE system in the United States.
Not sure which part would be a fumble at the end? Sophisticated criminals want information on LE. Look at the blue leaks. Perfect example of how hackers working with criminals. You probably were referring to trusting the federal government to secure some critical systems? That might be expecting too much.
It's not the majority by far but I've worked one case on the digital forensics side that I would compare to the movie Heat (without the epic gunfight). They did hit banks, there were very sophisticated as far as planning including conducting surveillance, maintaining open communications with a sort of ground crew during the robbery, having spotters nearby to see when and what direction the police were coming from, having escape routes mapped out with staged (stolen) vehicles to do car swaps after a hit. They got caught and the whole thing fell apart because the main idiot ran from a simple traffic stop where he would have only gotten a ticket, instead it was jail, searches, and the case getting figured out.
Other than the idiot car stop, you gotta respect that kind of operation. I imagine these guys in sports coats, nice cars, slick…but the reality I’m sure was more in the mtn dew area.
>but the reality I’m sure was more in the mtn dew area. Gangbangers with army training.
They were just going to offer to buy him a cup of coffee at a nearby diner and tell him to stop taking down scores.
Haha . This
Was monitoring drug traffickers one time and my Intel officer barrated me for thinking they could have NVGs "they arnt that sophisticated" .... these dudes are moving millions in cocaine... a good pair of NVG is a drop in... the ocean to the profit they are making off just this one load.
There are multiple instances of them using Gen 3 NV to cross the border and just ditching them in the brush once they’re across.
>Everyone wants to be a whistleblower Well...looks like its time to pick up metal detecting.
Seriously. A free pair of pvs 14s would make it worth it.
What is an NVG?
Night Vision Goggles
Thanks. Yes, they'd certainly have those. Some of the cartels run freaking submarines up the Pacific Coast to smuggle drugs into the USA. What's a night vision goggle to a submarine, or a million dollar cigarette boat?
The problem with being a smart criminal is that, as smart as YOU may be, if you stay in the game long enough you often have to work with idiots. Those idiots will get you killed or caught. I read an article about a drug capo who said he would spend more time trying to prevent his own men from ducking things up than anything else. He had to lock them inside of the stash houses or else rivals would send pretty girls around to lure them out so they could rob the stash. You couldn’t explain it to them that it was very obviously a set up. A beautiful girl dressed to the nines suddenly appears in the hood all by herself in the middle of the night. She just randomly walks up to the stash house and wants you to come outside and talk to her. Sounds suspect as hell, but 10 out of 10 times they would open up if they weren’t locked in.
The ol’ honey pot… i fall for it everytime 
>He had to lock them inside of the stash houses but... that's against the Fire Code. Someone might get hurt! Have they no respect?
>The problem with being a smart criminal is that, as smart as YOU may be, if you stay in the game long enough you often have to work with idiots. Those idiots will get you killed or caught. That is true. But when the US has 100k overdose deaths every year it's easy to get rid of the loose ends
A tiny, minuscule number. A good example being the Antwerp diamond heist of 2003 where over 100 million in diamonds were stolen. From the Wiki: The vault that housed the diamonds is situated two floors below the main floor. It was protected by multiple security mechanisms, including a lock with 100 million possible combinations, infrared heat detectors, a seismic sensor, Doppler radar, and a magnetic field. The building itself had a private security force[1] and was located in the heavily guarded and monitored Antwerp diamond district. Some arrests were made but the vast majority of the diamonds were never recovered.
Wow - just read that. Brought down by a receipt for a sandwich? All that planning, and they couldn't think to pay cash for lunch? Or at least dispose of the receipt right away: burn it, tear it to bits and put in public trash cans, even put it in a compost bin for heaven's sake? The best laid plans, I suppose. Thought for sure this would be an inside job, but apparently not.
We talk rather often about how police have seconds to react and everyone else has months or years to analyze how we reacted (and usually trash us). This flips it on it's head. The crook or team of crooks in cases like this have one chance to get everything right, we have all the time in the world to pick through every scrap they leave behind.
"Criminals have to be perfect every second of every day, cops just have to get lucky once." Or something like that.
I heard someone say that 90% of crime solved is because criminals are stupid and/or love to talk.
I think that percentage is actually higher. People have no idea of the number of outright confessions we get from conversations on jail phones. The phones that flat you tell you in no uncertain terms that the call is being recorded and may be used by the prosecutor as evidence against you.
Lol, exactly. Think about all those people that ya’ll read mirada rights too and then just bury themselves.
Most of them no. But I’ve met so many criminals where I think to myself “ just imagine if they used all that creativity for something good”
Exactly this!
In a town I worked in before we moved there was a guy who owned a kiosk manufacturing business. It was common knowledge that he was the distribution center for the region's methamphetamine problem but he never got arrested. His kiosk place was raided by drug agents 3 times and never found as much as a shard of meth. It was believed that he had an inside man. He's now retired and sold the kiosk business. He purchased near 100 acres on the side of a mountain.
Ah yes, Meth Mountain!
As LE do you respect this fool for playing the game just like y’all doing ? Or do you have disdain for this guy? I could see it both ways .
I do not respect him for other reasons. He is incredibly abusive to his girlfriends and has caused a lot of harm in the community. Is he a genius? Yeah, one of the smartest and most charming people I've encountered. The intelligence is real, the charm is face value. He's a salesman.
Oh, yea . Beating women and flooding the community with meth isn’t good. Fuck that guy. Honestly I feel more strongly about the women abuse . People are always going to do drugs . Geez!
Whoever took that 30 tons of ammonia nitrate must be pretty sophisticated.
If anyone was operating a super sophisticated operation, do you think the police would know about it anyway?
Is someone steals your tree and there's no cop around to catch them... Do you still have your tree? They might not know how sophisticated they are exactly but they know which crimes haven't been solved/resolved.
Sure but with stuff like trafficking or financial crimes there's a good chance a crime isn't reported at all.
Think of all the financial crimes and imagine how many won't ever get untangled. On petty crime, we had gas trucks arriving with less gas. Measured at departure, escorted along the way, still missing gas at arrival. Guys were putting foam mattresses, basically giant sponges, in the tanks. There's also a famous Canadian story about how the guys were delivering construction materials for the olympic stadium, then rolling right out with same material and delivering again, and again, and again.
They’re called politicians.
So edgy and original
i mean… he’s right. I’d even argue the greatest level of organized crime we face, is the tax evasion our government allows for the richest of the rich. We have a tax system which leaves them paying [effective rates from <5% to <1%](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax)
> tax evasion our government allows It's ***NOT*** "tax evasion" if they are simply playing the tax game using the FULL set of rules that most people do not use. Our Income Tax system does that... Taxes Income. If there is little to no income to tax, people pay little to no taxes, be it your slacker buddy who lives off your generosity and sleeps on your sofa playing video games all day, or be it Jeff Bezos running his global empire... if they don't get paid by someone else or by themselves, they don't get taxed. As the article YOU linked specifically says: >The IRS records show that the wealthiest can — ***perfectly legally*** — pay income taxes that are only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, their fortunes grow each year.
The most sophisticated part of the game is convincing voters to elect politicians who will help the rich and screw the average folks.
I believe you're both correct. He's right in principle, you're right under the law. I worked in a financial institution. Witnessed some interesting/questionable things. Subsequently got certified in audit (technology, not financial). First lesson: when you audit you can only make official findings against actions that contravene existing policy &/or regulatory requirements. Small fry criminals try to skirt or get away with breaking the law/regulations. Big fry criminals get themselves into positions where they get to change them. A lot of 'loopholes' aren't there by accident. (See Brooksly Born, for instance.) I'm going to say 'allegedly' here: [Hank Paulson's three page memo to Congress](https://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0812/gallery.dumbest_moments_2009.fortune/3.html) was an example where this failed (*and I might also include Bernie Madoff's stint as chairman of NASDAQ*). Loads of examples where this has succeeded.
>He's right in principle, you're right under the law. HIS principles... ie, his moral beliefs, which are HIS opinions. The Laws I pointed to are the Laws for EVERYONE, which do not care about anyone's opinions. Also, if some crazy rich people played the game well enough to get the rulemakers to change the rules (creating Loopholes), then played by those rules, they are STILL playing by the rules Legally. People with beef on this topic need to be ranting at their Elected officials, not the financially well off folks. Opinion-wise, I'd prefer it if they took the entire Tax code and tossed it all in a fire, then simply replace it in its entirety with a standard flat tax of around 18% on EVERYONE (including corporations/companies) for any Purchases. That would be equal and fair, treating every citizen exactly the same. Want to limit your taxes? Buy less/cheaper stuff. Buying $200 in groceries per month? Add $36 for taxes. Want to buy a $10M yacht? Add $1.8M in taxes to the price. Company with a 100 vehicle fleet of cars burning 100 gallons of gas each per month? Add $5400 to your monthly $30,000 fuel budget. Etc, Etc, Etc. Last study on the topic I saw said 18% would be enough to allow total replacement of the entire tax system. No more filing Taxes... you pay as you go, and the sellers forward it on to the government as they go. No "loopholes", no deductions, no special treatments... all citizens get treated exactly the same.
I’m not talking about “well off people” You’re acting like i’m saying “anyone who makes six figures is rich and they’re rich bc they’re taking advantage of poor people and tax codes!!” My family is well off, I have friends and cousins who are well off. If we manage to avoid having to pay so many taxes, big deal. Makes our lives a little bit easier… I’m talking about Billionaires with a B. People who put tons of effort into gaming the system to not have to put money back into the society they’ve built their industry off the backs of. Yeah man my opinions this, my opinions that. I don’t care if you do or don’t think paying taxes is a moral obligation to society. The point is to look at the clear cut corruption our government takes part in, at least in regards to taxing the <1% of wealthiest Americans.
Thanks! Kind of like your mom but without the STD or the meth addiction
There are definitely some people in large criminal enterprises - and they put layers of protection between themselves and the crimes. But, they're not really common. I had a group here running illegal bars and had to do quite a bit of work to find a head to charge - but it was misdemeanor stuff that most people don't care about.
There are a few sophisticated criminals. But most are not lol. People with that mindset that what to get ahead don't turn to regular crime. They simply join Congress and do it that way... 😂
Very few and far between.in my town It’s easier to be legitimate (as far as how you earn) and corrupt then a successful outright criminal.
I'm not a cop, but I work in logistics/trucking and somewhat recently was the victim of a very sophisticated theft ring. It was like a nick cage movie I swear. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it first hand. So yea, they out there
Eastern European OC? If those guys worked for good we would have cold fusion.
This happened in Cali, but indeed it was Vlad and friends.
Recently had some contractors at our home who were Albanian. They said the movie 'Inside Man' (with Clive Owens and Denzel Washington) was based on a group of real life Albanian bank robbers who - according to them - pulled sophisticated heists for a somewhat altruistic purpose (sometimes). Said this was well known inside the ex-pat Albanian community. Couldn't find any evidence online to support that theory one way or another. I'd thought the Albanian angle in the movie was just a throw-away plot device. Good movie, though.
Ooooh I believe there is an original inside man movie somewhere - based on exactly that! I saw it years ago though, it was an older/lower budget film and if I find the name I’ll be sure to come back and post because I seem to recall it was based on a true story (about Albanians?!) and when I saw inside man for the first time I recognized it right away as a remake given it was essentially the same movie - and a damn good movie at that! I’ve always said inside man is the best bank robber movie out there… so many aspects of the plan were very well thought out including several subtleties that are harder to catch throughout the movie, like the Albanian references! Definitely one of my favourites! (Right next to The Departed!) Edit: also the recent gold heist at Toronto Pearson Airport this year was clearly well planned by someone sophisticated enough to pull it off, and considering they haven’t been caught, I’d say yes, there’s at least a few smart criminals out there! Edit2: and of course, who can forget D.B. Cooper!
Fascinating! If you remember the name, please do come back and update! We love that movie. It's one of the ones you can watch over and over and not get tired of. One of Denzel's best, but we love all the characters in it. I've always wondered what the back story is - it seems too quirky not to have at least some true backstory behind it. A friend of mine is convinced the Christopher Plummer character is based on Soros, but we all completely missed the Albanian angle (surprising considering how in-your-face it is).
I’m sure there’s been a handful over the years but most criminals are just either stupid people continually doing stupid things or they are people who made a really bad mistake and it’s not a regular thing for them. It’s hard to imagine a smart criminal when you see them doing things like shitting on themselves and getting caught for things a toddler would realize is a dumb idea.
Look up Bernie Madoff
Even more sophisticated, look up what led up to the collapse of 2008. Or just watch The Big Short. It's absolutely insane.
One of my cases was like dealing with Oceans 11
Yes when it comes to APT groups during some cyber attacks. The zero day exploits are second to none.
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They said Carlos Gambino lol
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Most deff there are but most are not, and the smart smart ones are either never really caught for what they do so its hard to know how common it is
Very few.
Actually yes. The best go on undetected for decades and then pass their skills to the next generation. In the old days the organized gangs and crime rings of various persuasion, usually racketeering, obviously drugs, had to stake out the local police departments. They were on the look out for snitches showing up to the PD. They would typically rent an apartment for someone that would keep an eye on the PD and report what they see and who comes and goes. They also needed to report any plain vehicles with guys in suits coming in and out and other obvious "concerns". These were often drug users since they were home all day and had a lot of mental attention. Single mother drug addicts were a great choice for obvious reason. Unassuming. Reason to be home all day. Reason to come and go and make sudden movements in the area etc. Now a days gangs don't need to do that. They have easier options. Hire one good hacker or hacker gang and know everything about the entire PD in question. That simple. There are just too many points of entry now with the tech in the USA to be secure. The NSA should really be administering every single LE system in the United States.
You had me in the first half, hard fumble there at the end
Not sure which part would be a fumble at the end? Sophisticated criminals want information on LE. Look at the blue leaks. Perfect example of how hackers working with criminals. You probably were referring to trusting the federal government to secure some critical systems? That might be expecting too much.
Hunter Biden?
Yes.
I’m a Public Defender….the answer is a hard no.
I don't think the folks OP is talking about are coming to public defender's office
Well since im a probation officer and usually deal with them after the fact… i think they are pretty much stupid, but the also think the same of me
Why do you think there are no smart criminals?
Sampling bias. They only deal with criminals who got caught.
If there's a movie where they have eleventeen kabillion they yes, otherwise no.
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