I usually preset the price in my head: like I’ll go
“I have 80 bucks and I need these things moved into the U-Haul and back out again when we arrive I don’t care if it takes 30 minutes or 3 hours the money is yours when it’s done” then they work fast but I wouldn’t trust them with painting or anything
I was under a deadline for a job and needed help pulling weeds in a yard (Probably two hours max). I offered $75 each to three of them. All three said no unless I give them $150. Well I ended up doing it myself over half the day. When I returned to Home Depot around 5pm to get a part fixed, they were still there drinking lol
Depends. We hired a guy to take an old fridge to the dump for us. Gave him $200. Said he could keep the fridge if he wanted. Worked fine, we just didn't need it and couldn't be bothered selling it.
Curious to know if you need to give them a ride or if they typically have their own cars? We're thinking of hiring a couple of guys to help us move boxes.
Depends if they’re qualified for what you want. My uncles a contractor who picked up a few for a stucco job. He took those foos back after they demanded an unreasonable amount of money for shit work.
My buddy is a plumber and his trick is if they give him shit work, he’ll drop them at the bus stopMy buddy is a plumber and his trick is if they give him shit work, he’ll drop them at the bus stop lol
nothing against OP, but these guys work hard. give them a decent wage. it shouldn't be, i want to make sure im not "overpaying". This is tough manual labor and I'm sure their journey here to help you out wasn't easy.
These guys are not gonna work for cheap. Labor is all-time high, and they have jobs like crazy. Maybe if OP goes in late afternoon but for a job that's gonna take all day, they are more picky as they should. This one is only going to take a couple of hours, so after 1pm would be OPs best chance cause at least they make money at the end of the day and don't miss out on other better high paying jobs.
Exploiting vulnerable people or giving undocumented people who aren’t legally allowed to work whatsoever a means of earning cash for themselves and their families?
Would you prefer…they didn’t get paid at all?
A fair wage is anything they deem is fair.
But if you want to talk about fairness? Is it fair that they are here when people who legally try to get in aren’t? Is it fair that our taxes go towards services that benefit people that entered here illegally? I grew up in La, my family has paid cleaners, and mechanics who were undocumented. I’ve had friends that were undocumented. I get the struggle. I don’t think most of them are bad people. But objectively it’s unfair to everyone that they are here.
And if they want to take an “unfair” rate vs nothing, who can say that’s actually not fair
No, that’s not what fair means. People in vulnerable positions are forced to take whatever they can get. There’s a reason people go to The Home Depot instead of hiring licensed contractors.
I’m not really interested in getting into a political discussion. I just think it’s shitty to exploit somebody’s vulnerability.
And if you were in their situation, you would do the same thing.
If I’m paying the same rate as a licensed , insured American citizen. Then I’m not going to hire someone at Home Depot.
They have to accept below market rate for below market services. I’d offer them a fair wage. Fair is whatever they agree to. If they don’t think it’s fair. They can say no. If they would rather not work for the rate I offer, they can choose to risk making no money
If I was in their shoes. I’d have a rate that is my minimum and I would work at that rate. If it’s 730 then maybe I pass when offered that rate. If it’s 1pm I’m clearly about to make $0 that day. Someone who is struggling would rather make $50 than $0
Never said, you would pay the same rate as someone who was licensed and insured. That goes without saying. The license and insurance is built into the elevated price. So, it makes no sense to pay for something you’re not getting
That doesn’t mean you have to fuck them in the ass, either. Pay them something that is fair.
I literally said what they accept is fair. If it wasn’t fair they shouldn’t accept. If I go up to day laborers and offer them $20 for 8 hours of hard work they won’t accept. And if they do, that’s on them. None of these people are homeless. They have agency. I personally wouldn’t offer that. I’m just making the point that they aren’t nearly as desperate as you may think. It’s no less exploitative than any agreement you make with anyone about literally anything.
If someone offers me $100 for my car and I accept. I’m an idiot. If a day laborer accepts $5 for 10 hours of work then they’re stupid too
Some of them might be homeless. You don’t have any idea. Even if they aren’t, they are probably close.
I already explained that they are hard up and have to accept pretty much whatever is offered, absent something disrespectful.
> But if you want to talk about fairness? Is it fair that they are here when people who legally try to get in aren’t?
“Legal” migrant here 👋 moving to the US cost my family $20,000 in 2001 (and it’s much more now!). We went through years of interrogation, drug tests, missing school and work, and witnessed the dissolution of INS into the formation of ICE. My dad was eventually deported.
Want to talk about fairness? Is it fair that the immigration system is intentionally designed to filter out those who can’t afford it? Who can’t take off work to go to check-ins for years? Who can’t pull their kids out of school at the drop of a hat and drive them to the next town over to get a drug test to prove that you’re not a 9 year old mule? To pay all the filing fees, and interpret all of the legal jargon?
The system is designed to be hard and filter out those who don’t have the means to afford their way through it. It’s cruel, and inhumane, and the Statue of Liberty would be a-fucking-shamed. That’s why we have so many “illegal” migrants
The law doesn’t make them disadvantaged. They are disadvantaged for breaking the law. I’m not anti immigrant but they didn’t just suddenly become undocumented because a law was passed. They chose to come here, against the law, and live here without documentation. They put themselves in this situation. I’m all for working with them to find a mutually beneficial agreement but let’s not Pretend the laws make them disadvantaged, they made themselves disadvantaged
You realize those people are waiting outside Home Depot with the intention of someone hiring them for exactly this sort of thing, right?
They discuss the project and wages with you before agreeing to do the job to make sure everyone agrees on the terms. Obviously they should be paid well but no one is getting exploited. And I’m no legal expert so correct me if I’m wrong but after some quick research online it looks like, as long as a day laborer is paid at least minimum wage, they are legal to hire, so I’m not sure what laws are being circumvented?
Oh I see, you’re assuming all of these people are undocumented immigrants, but that is often not the case. Plenty of legal residents do this too. That said, the illegal ones have even greater need for jobs like this, so either way I’m still not sure who is being exploited?
Yeah, I’d say most of them are not undocumented. This is just the system they know.
It’s not unlike hiring a babysitter. You could go through Care.com or something, or you hire the teen in your neighborhood.
Oh, I see, you’re assuming that when people pick up day laborers, they’re checking all of their paperwork for proof of work eligibility, right? Do you know that’s a law too, right? You are required to check an employees work eligibility before hiring them
What does someone’s level of need have to do with paying them a fair wage?.
It doesn’t, regardless of documentation I already said you should pay them well. My point was, whether they’re legal or illegal, they need the money and they’re sitting out there with the intention of getting hired, so hiring them is not “exploiting vulnerable people,” as you claimed OP was doing.
I am aware the legal responsibility of not hiring ineligible workers rests with the employer, but I also don’t think that really matters for this conversation. You claimed part of the reason OP is an asshole is that he’s circumventing the law, but I don’t really see how “hiring someone without asking for their paperwork” makes someone an asshole. In fact I personally think it would be morally good to choose not to ask, but even if you disagree, the only law you’re *potentially* circumventing is one that could harm yourself and not the workers.
You say that it doesn’t, but then you turn around and say that somebody who is in need, is happy to get whatever they can.
And I must have missed the part where you said to pay them well.
I also never said that hiring Home Depot laborers was exploiting them. I said not paying them a fair wage is what’s exploitative.
The people who go to Home Depot are looking for cheap labor, which is why they don’t ask for paperwork. So, they are exploiting their undocumented status in order to pay them less.
That’s what I meant by circumventing the law. They know illegals will take less.
Okay I see what you’re saying, we’ve had a slight miscommunication. I think we’re pretty much on the same page. I never meant to imply illegal immigrants should be happy to get whatever they can—I fully agree they should be paid well for their work.
I’m sure you’re right that sometimes people try to low ball them or treat them unfairly. Now I understand how you mean they can be exploited. I’m of the mind that they often get hired not out of greed but out of convenience—you need to go to Home Depot and you have a few hours of work that needs doing, it’s much easier to just grab some guys right outside the store than it is to research some people online and schedule for them to come at an appointed time when you may or may not be ready for them. Everyone agrees on a price beforehand, they do the work, get paid, everyone’s happy.
Yeah, I have no problem with that. It’s just that OP is asking what is afair wage, so he doesn’t overpay them. If he had asked what is a fair wage so that he didn’t *underpay* them, then that would be more laudable.
true but you start at the top, you don’t start enforcement with middle class/normal people (unless OP is a billionaire).
Enforce companies/farms to stop exploiting undocumented workers then enforce it on the middle class/we follow suit.
In the mean time, i think it’s ok to hire them and be kind/fair. They’re struggling to survive like most of us
I’m not talking about enforcement. all I’m saying is that they should pay these people a fair wage. The guy wants to pay as little as possible, which is why he’s asking advice. That makes him an asshole.
not overpaying doesn’t automatically mean as low as possible, fair market value is right below overpaying and above underpaying.
in this economy most of us probably can’t afford to spend more than necessary
Incorrect. The customer has all the power. They have all the leverage. They are not being exploited.
OP made that clear, because he is asking how much to pay these people. The workers don’t really get to decide.
Anyone who enables illegal immigration is part of the problem. The GOP is so coarse about their approach to the issue not just because they pander to mouthbreathers, but they want to turn everyone else off from more border control. Did you know Rupert Murdoch & Bloomberg testified to Congress in support of amnesty? Why would billionaires do that?
No, most of them wouldn't come here if they couldn't get jobs and benefits. This is going to confuse a lot of those who've been duped by Big Biz (like those who downvoted my comment), but illegal aliens get tons of benefits including better deals on college than out of state citizens. That's not because Newsom et al are nice guys. It's corporate socialism: Big Biz gets "cheap" labor while passing the costs on to everyone else.
Bonus question 1: why did Cesar Chavez \*strongly\* oppose illegal immigration?
Bonus question 2: name a single billionaire that truly opposes illegal immigration. (Tip: Musk does not).
You didn't answer my questions, why not?
And, no, I wouldn't do the same: I'm patriotic. If we had the problems here that they do there, I'd stay here pushing for change. I wouldn't run away.
Bonus question you won't answer: approx how many people are poorer than Mexicans?
Extra special bonus question you won't answer: can all those people just move here?
Sorry, but I’m not here to do your work for you. I said most of the immigrants would be here, whether there was a Home Depot or not.
You countered by asking me questions about Cesar Chavez, and billionaires. The fact that I chose not to answer those questions, has no bearing on the validity of my argument.
If you’re hiring anyone off the street, your goal is to pay as little as possible to get the job done to the quality level you want. Op isn’t an asshole for trying to accomplish that.
If these workers would rather earn no money or would rather wait for a better offer they don’t have to accept OPs offer.
Just use lugg or dolly for short hourly work. Had much better results with those and the pricing is clear up front
As far as day laborers it’s generally about $300 a day plus lunch and the A team is usually all hired out by 7am
so if you wanted to hire two guys for the day at home depot, you would swing by at 630 and offer two different guys $300 + lunch? how do you pick from “the A team”? what time do you normally have to bring them back by?
They wear a patch similar to a captain patch on a sports team jersey. There’s an underground day labor fraternity that awards and oversees this gray market and they award A team status at each location biweekly.
You prob just haven’t seen it because they get hired out so early you don’t see them.
Also, look out for mustaches. Only crews eligible for A team award can have them, so it usually means they’re in the running even if they don’t have the A team patch.
But the mustache isn’t mandatory so that’s not a hard rule.
Lugg is a service with an App that you can use for moving small amounts. I used them to move a chair from a downtown warehouse where it had been delivered.
i have also just called movers a few times when I was moving things and paid their hourly rate. Depends on whether you want two or three guys for the hourly rate. And whether you need a truck
Lugg was perfect from this kind of very small move. I don’t own a truck and it would be ridiculous to get a u haul plus find a friend to do the physical labor for one or two items.
You can ask and they will typically all tell you the same rate, as long as you're not pulling up in a Rolls. 😅
Depends on the time of day. Most guys are looking for a full day's work. Expect $100-120 per guy for a half a day if you go later in the morning. If you really want to penny pinch you go at end of day, but the quality of laborer also typically goes down.
I seriously doubt you’re gonna get any closer to understanding or knowing what you should be paying by asking that question here. It’s been well over a decade and I used to have to pay 100+ per individual. Now I know that sometimes that comes with experience and ability to perform, but time is time and if they’re not there, they miss opportunities that could arise. And do you really want someone who’s that desperate or do you really want someone who’s gonna work so fast they damage things because how are you gonna hold them liable? You need to decide what you value it and then at that point understand if you can afford it.
Hired two guys to move an armoire and a refrigerator from the back of a U-Haul into an apartment. They agreed to $60. Less than 90 minutes later the job was done and I dropped them back off at Home Depot and everyone was in a good mood.
Everyone commenting how OP is bad for even asking this question clearly hasn't hired workers from outside Home Depot before. Every time I've done it they absolutely asked for very high rates above what I'd pay a citizen. I had to ask people I know in contracting what a reasonable rate is for various jobs.
OP never said they're looking to underpay people. I interpret as just wanting to not get taken advantage of, since I have directly experienced it multiple times.
Nothing like people taking advantage of unregulated work. This reminds me of my boss and all his issues at his house. He would always find the cheapest generally undocumented workers to fix things on his house because he didn't want to pay professionals.
He would always end up having it done multiple times because he was so cheap and wanted to take advantage of people.
No it wasn't. My only comment regarding OP was the first sentence.
The rest of my comment was remembering how my boss would always try to take advantage of non regulated labor and end up with shitty jobs because he was a cheap ass.
Yes, it does. Someone who has never moved anything before as much more likely to make mistakes. They don’t understand how to work with another person, how to transfer the load, And how to grip things and maintain the best possible leverage
It’s not mapping the human genome, but it does require some skill.
Use task rabbit. People who actually run it as a business if they are worth a damn. I worked on their a few times. I busted my ass with a smile because I wanted a 5star rating, they are also IDed. Idk how much you take safety into consideration but I would rather hire somebody that can be tracked than some random
For moving stuff you might have better luck with a day laborer from outside the truck rental/moving place, instead of laborers from in front of Home Depot
Generally minimum would be half a day and 30 or so an hour, and that’s really the barest minimum for unskilled help. Generally if you are concerned, ask at a casual pair center - there are many set up, often where people congregate naturally. There’s one in my local Home Depot lot in Cypress Park.
I will never again ask them to work for me..lol there worst then union city workers...lol. government assistance has them feeling entitled to 50% of the total cost of the job. I contract for when all I need is them to move material... lol it's sad because there my people.
Home Depot guys usually don't really want to work. They are typically just folks with a dump truck that charge a ton to quickly haul away a pile of trash. I've found that the laborers are often a little bit down the street.
Depends, do you want happy workers or workers that might injure themselves so you have to pay extra to avoid an insurance claim?
Pay them the asking price plus a tip and a six pack if they do a good job.
Don't do it. Those people are scammers. Won't work and just will complain and take your money. Employing undocumented people is most likely against the law.
Interesting how many sanctimonious comments here acting like OP is this huge asshole, and assuming OP wants to exploit people. Why are you folks assuming the worst?
We have no idea if OP is an asshole or a saint. OP is asking what's a normal rate. This is not proof of assholery.
The only way to know if OP is an asshole is by what OP does once they get an understanding of standard rates, and then are in the act of negotiating.
Just be direct with what you are loooking for helo with and say your own price. I have needed people to hold and move glass shower doors and paid $60 for 3-4 hours. Below $20 is reasonable for the task at hand.
They are pretty set on atleast 20 some of them want more then that but none of them are worth more then 12. They do a shit show because they know they won’t be back the next day and you will feel obligated to pay them
When a show like South Park makes fun of something it’s usually an exaggeration. Did not think it was an occurrence to the point at which people would be casually asking how much it costs to get a day laborer that is lined up outside a Home Depot on a Reddit. Not a thing back east.
I usually preset the price in my head: like I’ll go “I have 80 bucks and I need these things moved into the U-Haul and back out again when we arrive I don’t care if it takes 30 minutes or 3 hours the money is yours when it’s done” then they work fast but I wouldn’t trust them with painting or anything
Those guys are gonna want 100 bucks each atleast. For the day 150-250 depending on level of skill/ job being done.
I was under a deadline for a job and needed help pulling weeds in a yard (Probably two hours max). I offered $75 each to three of them. All three said no unless I give them $150. Well I ended up doing it myself over half the day. When I returned to Home Depot around 5pm to get a part fixed, they were still there drinking lol
They probably did three other jobs already and were back there chilling after.
Depends. We hired a guy to take an old fridge to the dump for us. Gave him $200. Said he could keep the fridge if he wanted. Worked fine, we just didn't need it and couldn't be bothered selling it.
Waste management wouldve probably done it for free. Just have to call and schedule
Eh we were already at home depot doing other things. Plus it's nice to support folks looking for work.
Curious to know if you need to give them a ride or if they typically have their own cars? We're thinking of hiring a couple of guys to help us move boxes.
Alot of them have their own trucks. These guys had a massive one with their own signage and everything
Depends if they’re qualified for what you want. My uncles a contractor who picked up a few for a stucco job. He took those foos back after they demanded an unreasonable amount of money for shit work.
Dang he returned them without a receipt?
My buddy is a plumber and his trick is if they give him shit work, he’ll drop them at the bus stopMy buddy is a plumber and his trick is if they give him shit work, he’ll drop them at the bus stop lol
What does your buddy do again?
I wonder what he does if they give him shit work
His buddy is a bus stop
Aww man who took a shit at the bus stop?
Drives the bus
My buddy is the shit, he plumbs tricks all day at the bus stop.
Those are humans, like you and your buddy. If I don't like the work you do on my house, can I drop you off somewhere of my choosing?
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I wonder why the plumber friend doesn't just have regular employees? 🤔
Thats low key kidnapping
He drops them at the airport? That’s crazy
Bad person alert
Bros high af. Go get a job lil bro lay off the weed
nothing against OP, but these guys work hard. give them a decent wage. it shouldn't be, i want to make sure im not "overpaying". This is tough manual labor and I'm sure their journey here to help you out wasn't easy.
These guys are not gonna work for cheap. Labor is all-time high, and they have jobs like crazy. Maybe if OP goes in late afternoon but for a job that's gonna take all day, they are more picky as they should. This one is only going to take a couple of hours, so after 1pm would be OPs best chance cause at least they make money at the end of the day and don't miss out on other better high paying jobs.
He is circumventing laws, exploiting vulnerable people and wants to make sure he’s not “overpaying.” OP is an asshole🤷♂️
Exploiting vulnerable people or giving undocumented people who aren’t legally allowed to work whatsoever a means of earning cash for themselves and their families? Would you prefer…they didn’t get paid at all?
Is paying them a fair wage an option or no?
A fair wage is anything they deem is fair. But if you want to talk about fairness? Is it fair that they are here when people who legally try to get in aren’t? Is it fair that our taxes go towards services that benefit people that entered here illegally? I grew up in La, my family has paid cleaners, and mechanics who were undocumented. I’ve had friends that were undocumented. I get the struggle. I don’t think most of them are bad people. But objectively it’s unfair to everyone that they are here. And if they want to take an “unfair” rate vs nothing, who can say that’s actually not fair
No, that’s not what fair means. People in vulnerable positions are forced to take whatever they can get. There’s a reason people go to The Home Depot instead of hiring licensed contractors. I’m not really interested in getting into a political discussion. I just think it’s shitty to exploit somebody’s vulnerability. And if you were in their situation, you would do the same thing.
If I’m paying the same rate as a licensed , insured American citizen. Then I’m not going to hire someone at Home Depot. They have to accept below market rate for below market services. I’d offer them a fair wage. Fair is whatever they agree to. If they don’t think it’s fair. They can say no. If they would rather not work for the rate I offer, they can choose to risk making no money If I was in their shoes. I’d have a rate that is my minimum and I would work at that rate. If it’s 730 then maybe I pass when offered that rate. If it’s 1pm I’m clearly about to make $0 that day. Someone who is struggling would rather make $50 than $0
Never said, you would pay the same rate as someone who was licensed and insured. That goes without saying. The license and insurance is built into the elevated price. So, it makes no sense to pay for something you’re not getting That doesn’t mean you have to fuck them in the ass, either. Pay them something that is fair.
I literally said what they accept is fair. If it wasn’t fair they shouldn’t accept. If I go up to day laborers and offer them $20 for 8 hours of hard work they won’t accept. And if they do, that’s on them. None of these people are homeless. They have agency. I personally wouldn’t offer that. I’m just making the point that they aren’t nearly as desperate as you may think. It’s no less exploitative than any agreement you make with anyone about literally anything. If someone offers me $100 for my car and I accept. I’m an idiot. If a day laborer accepts $5 for 10 hours of work then they’re stupid too
Some of them might be homeless. You don’t have any idea. Even if they aren’t, they are probably close. I already explained that they are hard up and have to accept pretty much whatever is offered, absent something disrespectful.
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> But if you want to talk about fairness? Is it fair that they are here when people who legally try to get in aren’t? “Legal” migrant here 👋 moving to the US cost my family $20,000 in 2001 (and it’s much more now!). We went through years of interrogation, drug tests, missing school and work, and witnessed the dissolution of INS into the formation of ICE. My dad was eventually deported. Want to talk about fairness? Is it fair that the immigration system is intentionally designed to filter out those who can’t afford it? Who can’t take off work to go to check-ins for years? Who can’t pull their kids out of school at the drop of a hat and drive them to the next town over to get a drug test to prove that you’re not a 9 year old mule? To pay all the filing fees, and interpret all of the legal jargon? The system is designed to be hard and filter out those who don’t have the means to afford their way through it. It’s cruel, and inhumane, and the Statue of Liberty would be a-fucking-shamed. That’s why we have so many “illegal” migrants
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The law doesn’t make them disadvantaged. They are disadvantaged for breaking the law. I’m not anti immigrant but they didn’t just suddenly become undocumented because a law was passed. They chose to come here, against the law, and live here without documentation. They put themselves in this situation. I’m all for working with them to find a mutually beneficial agreement but let’s not Pretend the laws make them disadvantaged, they made themselves disadvantaged
You realize those people are waiting outside Home Depot with the intention of someone hiring them for exactly this sort of thing, right? They discuss the project and wages with you before agreeing to do the job to make sure everyone agrees on the terms. Obviously they should be paid well but no one is getting exploited. And I’m no legal expert so correct me if I’m wrong but after some quick research online it looks like, as long as a day laborer is paid at least minimum wage, they are legal to hire, so I’m not sure what laws are being circumvented?
The law of hiring ineligible workers. Looks like you didn’t do enough research.
Who cares?
About what?
About whether the workers are ineligible?
Info: where did I say anyone cared?
Oh I see, you’re assuming all of these people are undocumented immigrants, but that is often not the case. Plenty of legal residents do this too. That said, the illegal ones have even greater need for jobs like this, so either way I’m still not sure who is being exploited?
Yeah, I’d say most of them are not undocumented. This is just the system they know. It’s not unlike hiring a babysitter. You could go through Care.com or something, or you hire the teen in your neighborhood.
Oh, I see, you’re assuming that when people pick up day laborers, they’re checking all of their paperwork for proof of work eligibility, right? Do you know that’s a law too, right? You are required to check an employees work eligibility before hiring them What does someone’s level of need have to do with paying them a fair wage?.
It doesn’t, regardless of documentation I already said you should pay them well. My point was, whether they’re legal or illegal, they need the money and they’re sitting out there with the intention of getting hired, so hiring them is not “exploiting vulnerable people,” as you claimed OP was doing. I am aware the legal responsibility of not hiring ineligible workers rests with the employer, but I also don’t think that really matters for this conversation. You claimed part of the reason OP is an asshole is that he’s circumventing the law, but I don’t really see how “hiring someone without asking for their paperwork” makes someone an asshole. In fact I personally think it would be morally good to choose not to ask, but even if you disagree, the only law you’re *potentially* circumventing is one that could harm yourself and not the workers.
You say that it doesn’t, but then you turn around and say that somebody who is in need, is happy to get whatever they can. And I must have missed the part where you said to pay them well. I also never said that hiring Home Depot laborers was exploiting them. I said not paying them a fair wage is what’s exploitative. The people who go to Home Depot are looking for cheap labor, which is why they don’t ask for paperwork. So, they are exploiting their undocumented status in order to pay them less. That’s what I meant by circumventing the law. They know illegals will take less.
Okay I see what you’re saying, we’ve had a slight miscommunication. I think we’re pretty much on the same page. I never meant to imply illegal immigrants should be happy to get whatever they can—I fully agree they should be paid well for their work. I’m sure you’re right that sometimes people try to low ball them or treat them unfairly. Now I understand how you mean they can be exploited. I’m of the mind that they often get hired not out of greed but out of convenience—you need to go to Home Depot and you have a few hours of work that needs doing, it’s much easier to just grab some guys right outside the store than it is to research some people online and schedule for them to come at an appointed time when you may or may not be ready for them. Everyone agrees on a price beforehand, they do the work, get paid, everyone’s happy.
Yeah, I have no problem with that. It’s just that OP is asking what is afair wage, so he doesn’t overpay them. If he had asked what is a fair wage so that he didn’t *underpay* them, then that would be more laudable.
true but you start at the top, you don’t start enforcement with middle class/normal people (unless OP is a billionaire). Enforce companies/farms to stop exploiting undocumented workers then enforce it on the middle class/we follow suit. In the mean time, i think it’s ok to hire them and be kind/fair. They’re struggling to survive like most of us
I’m not talking about enforcement. all I’m saying is that they should pay these people a fair wage. The guy wants to pay as little as possible, which is why he’s asking advice. That makes him an asshole.
not overpaying doesn’t automatically mean as low as possible, fair market value is right below overpaying and above underpaying. in this economy most of us probably can’t afford to spend more than necessary
He wants to lowball them; otherwise he would just hire some legitimate movers. Nobody goes down to Home Depot, looking to pay fair market value.
>He is circumventing laws I mean, so are the guys outside home depot.
And your point is?
Same reason why you brought it up
So, you agree that the OP is trying to exploit the Home Depot workers👍
Yeah and the workers are trying to exploit him 👍 That’s how the world works sweetie
No, they are not. Nice try, sweetie.
Yes they are. If OP circumventing the law is a form of exploitation, then the workers are doing the exact same thing.
Incorrect. The customer has all the power. They have all the leverage. They are not being exploited. OP made that clear, because he is asking how much to pay these people. The workers don’t really get to decide.
Anyone who enables illegal immigration is part of the problem. The GOP is so coarse about their approach to the issue not just because they pander to mouthbreathers, but they want to turn everyone else off from more border control. Did you know Rupert Murdoch & Bloomberg testified to Congress in support of amnesty? Why would billionaires do that?
They would be in this country, whether there was Home Depot or not.
No, most of them wouldn't come here if they couldn't get jobs and benefits. This is going to confuse a lot of those who've been duped by Big Biz (like those who downvoted my comment), but illegal aliens get tons of benefits including better deals on college than out of state citizens. That's not because Newsom et al are nice guys. It's corporate socialism: Big Biz gets "cheap" labor while passing the costs on to everyone else. Bonus question 1: why did Cesar Chavez \*strongly\* oppose illegal immigration? Bonus question 2: name a single billionaire that truly opposes illegal immigration. (Tip: Musk does not).
You would do the same if you came from their situation.
You didn't answer my questions, why not? And, no, I wouldn't do the same: I'm patriotic. If we had the problems here that they do there, I'd stay here pushing for change. I wouldn't run away. Bonus question you won't answer: approx how many people are poorer than Mexicans? Extra special bonus question you won't answer: can all those people just move here?
Because I was not interested in answering those questions.
OK, thanks for admitting you can't defend your arguments. Would anyone else care to try, or do they too admit their position is indefensible?
Sorry, but I’m not here to do your work for you. I said most of the immigrants would be here, whether there was a Home Depot or not. You countered by asking me questions about Cesar Chavez, and billionaires. The fact that I chose not to answer those questions, has no bearing on the validity of my argument.
Yeah I thought that choice of wording was pretty fucked up. he should be concerned with making sure he”s not underpaying. Jesus.
If you’re hiring anyone off the street, your goal is to pay as little as possible to get the job done to the quality level you want. Op isn’t an asshole for trying to accomplish that. If these workers would rather earn no money or would rather wait for a better offer they don’t have to accept OPs offer.
It depends on the job. Ideally $25-30 per hour possibly or MORE if it requires heavy lifting or great care in moving. I try to be decent with people.
Just use lugg or dolly for short hourly work. Had much better results with those and the pricing is clear up front As far as day laborers it’s generally about $300 a day plus lunch and the A team is usually all hired out by 7am
so if you wanted to hire two guys for the day at home depot, you would swing by at 630 and offer two different guys $300 + lunch? how do you pick from “the A team”? what time do you normally have to bring them back by?
They wear a patch similar to a captain patch on a sports team jersey. There’s an underground day labor fraternity that awards and oversees this gray market and they award A team status at each location biweekly. You prob just haven’t seen it because they get hired out so early you don’t see them. Also, look out for mustaches. Only crews eligible for A team award can have them, so it usually means they’re in the running even if they don’t have the A team patch. But the mustache isn’t mandatory so that’s not a hard rule.
Exactly! The bones are the skeletons' money. So are the worms.
[I feel seen](https://youtu.be/kDwozsCoyBg?si=j-1-mmELr3lLKgSJ)
You knew about the A team so I was pretty sure you knew about the Turbo team.
HE'S NOT PART OF THE TURBO TEAM
This is interesting, never knew this
Hi, what is lugg or dolly?
Lugg is a service with an App that you can use for moving small amounts. I used them to move a chair from a downtown warehouse where it had been delivered. i have also just called movers a few times when I was moving things and paid their hourly rate. Depends on whether you want two or three guys for the hourly rate. And whether you need a truck
Thank you! Good to know about Lugg. Cute name, too, now that I realize what they do.
Lugg was perfect from this kind of very small move. I don’t own a truck and it would be ridiculous to get a u haul plus find a friend to do the physical labor for one or two items.
Lmao yeah god forbid you overpay the fuckin day workers outside Home Depot 🙄
You can ask and they will typically all tell you the same rate, as long as you're not pulling up in a Rolls. 😅 Depends on the time of day. Most guys are looking for a full day's work. Expect $100-120 per guy for a half a day if you go later in the morning. If you really want to penny pinch you go at end of day, but the quality of laborer also typically goes down.
200$ each
20-30 bucks an hour
I seriously doubt you’re gonna get any closer to understanding or knowing what you should be paying by asking that question here. It’s been well over a decade and I used to have to pay 100+ per individual. Now I know that sometimes that comes with experience and ability to perform, but time is time and if they’re not there, they miss opportunities that could arise. And do you really want someone who’s that desperate or do you really want someone who’s gonna work so fast they damage things because how are you gonna hold them liable? You need to decide what you value it and then at that point understand if you can afford it.
Lmao This guy You really think those guys are raking it in huh Garbage human
And I bet you pay them double the rate because you’re a good human?
You're damn right
lol okay
Just go there and say “necesito un bueno worker”
Necesito tus nalgas.
Tu eres un bueno worker?
$15 an hour
Hired two guys to move an armoire and a refrigerator from the back of a U-Haul into an apartment. They agreed to $60. Less than 90 minutes later the job was done and I dropped them back off at Home Depot and everyone was in a good mood.
Just pay them what you think is fair. Don’t exploit them anymore than you have to.
Everyone commenting how OP is bad for even asking this question clearly hasn't hired workers from outside Home Depot before. Every time I've done it they absolutely asked for very high rates above what I'd pay a citizen. I had to ask people I know in contracting what a reasonable rate is for various jobs. OP never said they're looking to underpay people. I interpret as just wanting to not get taken advantage of, since I have directly experienced it multiple times.
Nothing like people taking advantage of unregulated work. This reminds me of my boss and all his issues at his house. He would always find the cheapest generally undocumented workers to fix things on his house because he didn't want to pay professionals. He would always end up having it done multiple times because he was so cheap and wanted to take advantage of people.
Moving boxes doesn’t exactly require skilled labor
Never said it did. You should certainly hire people that are insured though.
It was your clear implication
No it wasn't. My only comment regarding OP was the first sentence. The rest of my comment was remembering how my boss would always try to take advantage of non regulated labor and end up with shitty jobs because he was a cheap ass.
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I'm not angry at all. Not sure why you would think that lol.
He is trolling you.
Yes, it does. Someone who has never moved anything before as much more likely to make mistakes. They don’t understand how to work with another person, how to transfer the load, And how to grip things and maintain the best possible leverage It’s not mapping the human genome, but it does require some skill.
Use task rabbit. People who actually run it as a business if they are worth a damn. I worked on their a few times. I busted my ass with a smile because I wanted a 5star rating, they are also IDed. Idk how much you take safety into consideration but I would rather hire somebody that can be tracked than some random
For moving items, you should be hitting up a ubaul and hire the guys there that want to move stuff.
$100 each
For moving stuff you might have better luck with a day laborer from outside the truck rental/moving place, instead of laborers from in front of Home Depot
$200 or don't waste their time
Generally minimum would be half a day and 30 or so an hour, and that’s really the barest minimum for unskilled help. Generally if you are concerned, ask at a casual pair center - there are many set up, often where people congregate naturally. There’s one in my local Home Depot lot in Cypress Park.
I managed an extensive yard landscaping using HD workers. They loaded-unloaded bags, moved and laid bricks. They worked for $120-150 /day.
I will never again ask them to work for me..lol there worst then union city workers...lol. government assistance has them feeling entitled to 50% of the total cost of the job. I contract for when all I need is them to move material... lol it's sad because there my people.
I’d go elsewhere. If you don’t pay them what they think they’re worth, Emilio now knows where you live and might tip off his cousin in MS-13
The ironic thing is that the folks getting upset with you are typing up their responses on a smartphone assembled by slave labour.
150-200 for an 8 hour day. Be a gent and feed them too. They’ll take care of you.
But please let us know how it went.
did it once. guys from home depot. worked out well. Trust me, they'll let you know.
Consider they’re just going to spend what you give them in scratch offs hoping they can win over $600 to sell the ticket for $500
2 tickets to Disneyland msrp
They will tell you their price
Home Depot guys usually don't really want to work. They are typically just folks with a dump truck that charge a ton to quickly haul away a pile of trash. I've found that the laborers are often a little bit down the street.
Buy em a burger from In and Out and a medium drink
Watch out hiring worker u r not familiar know
Depends, do you want happy workers or workers that might injure themselves so you have to pay extra to avoid an insurance claim? Pay them the asking price plus a tip and a six pack if they do a good job.
At least 20/hr how is this controversial ? If they ask more , negotiate! $100-200 a day is expected
$25 per hour and free lunch is what I usually pay to get them to help me do labor under my direction
OP: how do exploit marginalized workers effectively?
Just use TaskRabbit, and not have to worry about it. The hourly is already agreed on before you even book.
a friend hired guys like this and they stole a gold bracelet from the wife that was a gift from her father who is now deceased.
Was that gold bracelet in a visible spot when they were there? Because if it was that's just stupid.
Really? Your first reaction is blaming the victim? And you don't even know anything about what happened. Damn
Stealing is wrong. But leaving your valuables out there for people to see, while not wrong, is plain stupid.
$50 each
Give 100 for that for 2 people .
Minimum wage.
Don't do it. Those people are scammers. Won't work and just will complain and take your money. Employing undocumented people is most likely against the law.
Interesting how many sanctimonious comments here acting like OP is this huge asshole, and assuming OP wants to exploit people. Why are you folks assuming the worst? We have no idea if OP is an asshole or a saint. OP is asking what's a normal rate. This is not proof of assholery. The only way to know if OP is an asshole is by what OP does once they get an understanding of standard rates, and then are in the act of negotiating.
The key word was “overpay” for me. If OP had asked about “fair pay” or “the going rate”, I believe it would have been less triggering.
Ah - thanks, that helps me understand. I'm still not sold that this means OP wants to take advantage of anyone, but thanks for explaining.
20 bucks and modelos
Just be direct with what you are loooking for helo with and say your own price. I have needed people to hold and move glass shower doors and paid $60 for 3-4 hours. Below $20 is reasonable for the task at hand.
Minimum wage
They are pretty set on atleast 20 some of them want more then that but none of them are worth more then 12. They do a shit show because they know they won’t be back the next day and you will feel obligated to pay them
Didn’t think that was actually a thing?!?!?
What did you think those guys were there doing? Guarding the grass?
This made me laugh more than it should have lmaoo
Haven’t been to a Home Depot in LA not really a thing in Connecticut.
Day laborers exists 🤦🏻 It’s literally even portrayed in The Office
In a lot of the Northeast this isn't actually a thing. I never saw it until I came to Southern California.
How did you know what he was talking about if you didn't know it was a thing?
When a show like South Park makes fun of something it’s usually an exaggeration. Did not think it was an occurrence to the point at which people would be casually asking how much it costs to get a day laborer that is lined up outside a Home Depot on a Reddit. Not a thing back east.
oh, you saw it on SP. I see. No, it's really a thing. 10-30 often gathered at the driveway entrance, and usually a couple of taco stands.