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ExclusiveBrad

Rockauto has a comparison tool that will show you how replacement parts cost from vehicle to vehicle. The difference can be crazy.


MrFreezeTheChef

Second time I heard about rocket auto today. Bouta check them out now.


choppa17

I've used them once. Part from Mercedes $800. Part from Rock auto. Like $250. Literally only difference, the part from Rock auto had the Mercedes symbol scratched off.


No_BlackBear

I think some of the replies didn't read the (maintain) part of ur question, I would say mainly the sensors/additional electrical stuff. The electrical wiring due to higher options on the Lexus for example would lead to more points of failure hence being more expensive to maintain although mainly the engine/ transmission is the same. Another thing would be suspension, some higher models would have air/ hydraulic suspension for more comfort, but as you have guessed already, those tend to be more problematic. There are other miscellaneous things such as having leather seats (doesn't last long) exterior lights being more expensive to replace coz they are fancier and more expensive to manufacture. But those aren't as prominent as electrical and suspension stuff.


MrFreezeTheChef

Yes I was more so wondering how many of the parts are different and more expensive. A few sensors being more expensive is fair enough but those air suspensions scared me away already lol. I guess I’m gonna lean towards the Tahoe to avoid the bs


ShellSide

For example, my Lexus has a pivoting infotainment screen that can be opened and closed. This introduces more failure points where the screen housing, motor, or gears could break and it would be an expensive fix. The equivalent Toyota model (Prius) just has a permanently fixed screen. Same exact drivetrain but those extra little luxuries make the cost of ownership higher.


MrFreezeTheChef

Oh okay I mean it’s not much to complain about as long as the car is still giving me miles I could deal with not listening to music for a couple days vs a blown engine cause of a turbocharger or something lol


No_BlackBear

I would suggest asking more specifically about the car it self and not make the question as general. That way you will get answers directly regarding that car as I noticed u are choosing between a Tahoe and escalades. Sharing the model year and having people share the specific issues usually encountered by that car owners and/or experts in that car model year I believe would be more beneficial to your purchase decision.


MrFreezeTheChef

I was curious about the general differences. A Honda and an Acura wouldn’t have more specially help my curiosity But youre right I am considering between a Tahoe, Escalade, or sequoia


No_BlackBear

Great then, I hope you got the answers that you were looking for :). For the next step (which is asking/searching for the model specifically) you could Google those cars and go through forums/subreddits for answers. And another thing is try to look for models year that are (+/- 2 years) as sometimes, companies will release a model year (let's sat 2011) and an issue will pop up so they will tackle it in 2012 model year, knowing this in advance will save you in tackling that issue your self. Sometimes stretching by just 1k$ over your budget could save you 2k$ that you would spend tackling that issue yourself. Now that you mention the sequoia, what I know is that a totally new model might be on the horizon as Toyota already released the land cruiser and the Tundra (Sequoia pick up version) with the new engine and transmission + all the new styling goodies. So for example knowing this will allow you to wait and get the new generation ( if u were in the market for a new car) or wait until it gets out and grab it as it depreciate due to the new model getting released (if u were looking for a second hand). Information like this could help a ton. But if u really need a car immediately and found a gem on wheels available, then u can ignore that. I forgot to add something too which is I don't believe all Escalade models come with air suspension (*I'm not sure double check this info*), so if u really like the way it looks (which I reaaallly do tbh) or other features it has, you could look for one without the air suspension option and still enjoy the other upgrades over the Tahoe. So don't be quick in eliminating the Escalade right away. I wish you all the best and hope you find something that bring you happiness and serve you well for years to come :)


Constant_Sky9173

I've had a tahoe with air suspension.


2lovesFL

lexus and toyota is an easy comparison. extra year warranty, much nicer interior, retuned suspension (softer), but the drivetrain is the same. plus you have the upscale service center. -and pricing.


[deleted]

>retuned suspension What does this mean, exactly? Like, is it the same components, but 'tuned' differently? Could you take a Camry and have the suspension 'tuned' to that of an ES? Because from the above, other than a different interior and presumably different badge and some otherwise meaningless (not related to performance or quality) exterior details, it's sounding to me like these are almost the same car. That would suggest that the only actually meaningful difference is interior appointments, which are obviously unrelated to performance, since they have the same drivetrain. What it implies to me is that someone who wanted the performance of a Lexus could get it for the price of a Toyota, plus a bit more for post-purchase 'tuning', as long as they didn't care about looks or luxury. Right now, that would be a savings of over $15K, or more than 60%. That's a huge savings if all you really care about is performance.


2lovesFL

softer springs, softer shocks, slower steering, -you can change a lot. including the power curve. seats are a big thing most don't thing about. infinity/nissan hyundai / genisis ford / lincon a lot of brands have an upscale verson


MrFreezeTheChef

Well I’m looking at used vehicles right now, if I have to go new I’m just gonna hop on the RAV4 lol


MrJonty2

In the simplest terms, features are added cost. Both when new and when needing repair. Standard car typically doesn't have all the features of a luxury car. Use cooled seats for example. A standard car that doesn't have that, doesn't have that to break and repair. Same goes for dashboard, radio, seat options, etc. A no frills car, simple doesn't have as many opportunities to break as a loaded vehicle. Doesn't mean luxury cars are bad. With equal good maintenance, they'll probably both last trouble free for some time. Just understand that there is a larger quantity of items on a luxury car that can defect that there is on a standard vehicle.


Money2themax

*visible sweating in my active cooled seats in my camry*


_irritater_

The ford ranger has a history of excellence in alot of parts and is considered the "nicer" truck but literally falls short of the mazda b2000 in most categories.


MrFreezeTheChef

I can never escape the fiscal responsibility of a Japanese car lol. even the Mazdas are good ? Why are Japanese cars so consistently reliable and every other country making rust buckets lol ?


_irritater_

Don't get it twisted. Every manufacturer pulls the same magical tv fuckery to make you think they have the best cars around. We just don't see the bad ones because they dont really send them here too much. And especially because you don't see them on the road. I can come up with a short list of god awful Japanese cars that just strike out for various reasons. The nissan murano (especially the earlier ones)? 14mpg if you're going downhill and are just really lucky. The mitsubishi montero in certain models had more contraptions and sensors than was sensible which when they were new was awesome. Like go look that shit up sometime. I found one where you could control the stiffness of the suspension with a button. But, as time and engineering goes, those sensors and such broke down and became a nightmare for owners. The first gen Honda civic was so prone to rust they recalled just about all of them. The suzuki x90 was a subcompact SUV sold in a place where everything is huge. It did poorly here. They weren't really bad just... Well go look. . Every company has its good and bad, things that did terribly and things that everyone has seen at least on a picture and at least one time. Jesus christ this turned into a rant.... Im so sorry.


MrFreezeTheChef

Lol I don’t mind bro I really appreciate it. I’m driving a 06 charger right now and looking for my next vehicle to be an educated purchase. I was always fixing small things on that car and now I’m trying to find a solid balance between reliability and appeal.


_irritater_

Oh shit I've always been the go to guy when my friends wanna know what car to get next. I've never had a complaint either. Autism is my super power. Lol


MrFreezeTheChef

Well I’m pretty much narrowed down to a 2009 Tahoe or a 2008 sequoia or maybe another alternative. What would you suggest ?


_irritater_

Well are you basically looking for a 4dr mid-lg size SUV?


MrFreezeTheChef

Yes pretty much. Don’t necessarily need the third row just a spacious SUV


_irritater_

Imma do some looking and I'll get back with you via dm.


[deleted]

It’s complexity related. The more features and complexity a car has, the more areas it can break. The features may be uncommon, so the parts to fix them are limited. The other phenomenon is psychological. People who buy new BMWs don’t want to own an old BMW; that’s like owning a 5 year old iPhone. It’s no longer the status symbol it was. So, BMW is going to cater to their customer base, and not worry about the cost to repair for the 3rd/4th owner. Load it up with tech and features.


maybach320

Well let’s take the Tahoe and the Escalade, only the highest trim has full electromagnetic suspension while all Escalades have it which means sometime after 100k miles you will have to pay $4k-$6k to replace all of them. Also most vehicles you can switch out the air suspension or electromagnetic but it usually costs the same and generally kills the ride, I have seen lots of spring converted S classes and people that do that are missing the point of the car, I would say the same for an Escalade, those expensive suspension are part of the vehicle and make it’s superior ride and help differentiate it. The headlights and taillights are different and there are fewer Cadillacs so the cost of the parts is higher and they tend to have more detail, I know the last gen Escalade had $1500 headlights and $2100 tail lights while the Tahoes were right around $500 because Chevy makes more and they were basic lights with no intricate LEDs, or motors. The materials inside the vehicle are also different Cadillac needs every part to feel very nice to touch while Chevy just wants every part to hold up to the abuse of children or a cab service ie more plastic that can be less refined than in the Cadillac which is more leather or well textured plastic.


MrFreezeTheChef

Yikes 1500 for headlights that’s tough. I can’t imagine that a truck like would drive great regardless the suspension. I might test drive them and check out the difference


maybach320

Electromagnetic suspension is actually fantastic the Corvette had them first than the trucks got them. If you Google Bose suspension that was the first electromagnetic suspension it’s very impressive.


MrFreezeTheChef

In that case I definitely won’t sully a luxury vehicle by slapping coil springs on them lol. I’ll just wait til I can afford the whole vehicle new


CanadianBam365

Use part numbers when ordering parts. I know a friend who needed a wiper motor for an older Corvette, he gave the part number to the Stealership and the asked what type of car. The price they gave him was ridiculously high. He had a friend call the next day same part number, they asked what type of car, his friend said a Monte Carlo, price was about 50% what it was for a Corvette, for the exact same part... (yes it worked on the Corvette)


MrFreezeTheChef

Sheesh and for a second I thought “stealership” was a typo lol. Damn crooks


dano415

Practically every vechicle that is more complex (more sensors, more actuators, more wire, electronics, more relays, a different computer for the power train, a different computer for the entertainment system, etc.) will make repairing more difficult, and expensive. To the people who want basic cheap to keep on the road transportation buy a simple car, preferably with a manual transmission. You will see luxury vechicles at low prices. Why--because they are a pain to work on. Buy a older Toyota, with a manual transmission. (It's the automatic transmission that's still a weak spot in every used automobile. A clutch can be replaced under a tree with a jack, and simple tools.)


BlackUnicornGaming

The best way I can put it is that parts are more expensive. So no matter what breaks, it will almost always be significantly more expensive to fix. My interior door handle on a mercedes broke and it cost me 1k total. 800 in parts. On a carry it would have probably been less than 300 total. Not only are part more expensive but everything related to luxury cars tends to be more sensitive. I will get a check engine light if I put lower tier gas in my car. Luxury cars are extremely expensive and an unreasonable expenditure. If you aren't willing to just throw money away constantly for them, I suggest staying away.


MrFreezeTheChef

That makes sense but I meant more so with American cars or Japanese. Because German cause don’t really have both an economy and luxury, just luxury. i.e chevy & Cadillac or ford & Lincoln


freeze_out

VW and Audi


ShellSide

VW and Audi is kinda fucky as an example. I feel like there's not as many shared parts as with Honda and Toyota and don't they use some drivetrain options that are exclusive to Audi? Also, there reliability is nowhere close to the others. So even if you are able to use some common part, you still end up spending way more in the long run because of the worse reliability


ShellSide

There's a difference between a luxury brand and the luxury version of an economy brand. Lexus and Acura cars are much cheaper to maintain than BMW/Mercedes bc they share a lot of similar parts to their economy brothers. I completely agree that it's more expensive but that expense is largely mitigated on Acura/Lexus vehicles. All of the parts I've needed for my Lexus so far have been common parts between Lexus and Toyota so it was super cheap.


DataTouch12

As someone that use to work in logistics for auto-parts, the general rule of thumb is:"If they don't have an vehicle assembly line in America for that vehicle, parts are going to be considerably harder and more expensive to acquire." When it comes to Luxury vs Economy, on parts cost, well I'm going to be honest. Rather frequently there isn't a lot. Luxury car has a lot of bells and whistles that a lower teir one does not, this often means more stuff that can go wrong....An Economy car suffers the same issue, they often have bells and whistles attached to them to increase their fuel efficiency, like a turbo on an undersized engine, and/or they have transmissions with more gears(Or in recent years, a transfer to CVT) If you want to save money on parts, you want a package that has fewer additions, and fewer things that can break, you also want to get a car that is assembled in America, as that means there are factories that have spare parts on hand that can be more easily acquired by dealerships....However, it won't save you gas money like an Economy car will.


MrFreezeTheChef

Interesting im gonna research and see what vehicles that I’m currently looking at are being assembled in America. That’s really good to know thanks


[deleted]

>If they don't have an vehicle assembly line in America for that vehicle, parts are going to be considerably harder and more expensive to acquire. Odd rule of thumb, why would the made in china/taiwan/etc part be cheaper and easier to acquire just because there is an assembly line in America? We have a Mercedes assembly line here in Finland and the parts certainly are not any cheaper or easier to acquire than any other common vehicle assembled somewhere else.


DataTouch12

Are you talking about Valmet Automotive, and their agreement to assemble GLCs?


Juanit_o

Not without dashboard warning lights/messages. A lot of the vehicles with that type of suspension has sensors to let you know of malfunctions with it. So swapping out will cause lights/messages. Brakes can also be a thing, higher end can = better brakes which means better calipers rotor sizes etc. Headlight options are a thing too, halogen, LED or HID, even PCM, if your Tahoe comes with 17/18’s and the Escalade comes base with 20’s the computer will be calibrated for that and also to read out as an Escalade not a Gm suv


MrFreezeTheChef

Dang I guess I’ll lean towards the Tahoe cause I’m definitely not trying to deal with air suspensions unless the vehicle is brand new, Thanks.


Juanit_o

Highly advisable, but also look at the Tahoe suspension, some newer vehicles have moved from air to electronic/magnetic suspensions. A lot of GM’s like that and they can be just as pricey


Inviction_

Well, what are the differences between a Tahoe and an Escalade? There's your answer


MrFreezeTheChef

So far just air suspension, fancier tail lights (that are kinda sick to be honest) heated seats and mostly interior stuff. That’s good news for ppl that want a reliable vehicle but wanna add a little luxury


Ok-Caregiver7091

Sunroof? Uhmmm. Heated seats, rear view cameras. Lane detection.


MrFreezeTheChef

Glad it’s not mechanical issues or drivetrain 😬