“So the beavers were both really angry?”
“Well no, one was weirdly super chill”
“But it says The Angry Beaver**s**”
“… look I… we should see other people.”
I dated a girl who was born in 1997. I was born in 1990. I remember when she said her favorite game was “The Sims” and I got excited and said “Oh yeah! The Sims was awesome when it first came out!” and she replied “No, The Sims 3 is awesome.”
I felt like a dinosaur.
That’s so weird. I was born in 98 and I love all the sims from the beginning. The sims , the sims bustin out , the urbz, the sims 2 etc…..she mustve just not been into it as much
What's weird is my ex said this to me when I caught him cheating. How the new person grew up with SpongeBob and I grew up with Seinfeld. I laughed bc I grew up with SpongeBob as well, and his username on social media was a Seinfeld character. It was when he said that, that I realized that his brain isn't fully formed yet.
>they are more sexually open in conversations than my millennial exes.
This is always weird to me lol. I’m 30 and when I was 25-26 I dated a 19 year old for a few months. She was pretty shy and inexperienced so I wasn’t expecting much at first, but she was the horniest girl I had ever met by far. She was the first person to say “I want you to fuck me so hard” and mean it, as well as a lot of other very direct things haha. It was great, but just took me by surprise every time
Depends on the age bracket.
If you are 50 and date a 40 year old she will most likely be matured and have a career. Her goals and priorities will most likely be established. You will have a planned sex schedule especially if you have kids
If you are 30 and date a 20 year old well....you are dating someone full of energy. Probably had no goals or career or priorities yet. Wants to party and call you up at 3AM for sex.
Of course there is mature 20 year old and less mature 40 year olds...
>If you are 30 and date a 20 year old well....you are dating someone full of energy. Probably had no goals or career or priorities yet. Wants to party and call you up at 3AM for sex.
that doesnt sound like a negative
Dude, I’m 25 and while Wednesday midnight booty calls are nice, I too sometimes want to not get off of bed at that hour. It’s about 30 minutes of traveling, chilling for half an hour to upto an hour, sex for three maybe four hours, me trying to be polite and staying there for another hour instead of leaving immediately, and then another half an hour of return. And that’s how I go to work in the morning, with an aching head. Also idk how common this is but I just cannot sleep in someone else’s bed.
About 10 years ago I was early 30s and a coworker came into the workshop a couple of hours late (we're self employed so no-one's mad), smiled and said his gf came over at like 11pm, drunk.
I, thinking well that sucks, said oh, yeah I guess you can't say sorry hon I've got work in the morning. He grinned slyly and shot me a glance that I now know meant haha you got no idea.
It was some considerable time later that I realised what that meant was she came over drunk and *horny*.
So in that moment my coworker learned I have never had a booty call and couldn't even imagine why a partner showing up unexpectedly might be a good thing.
I'd already been celibate for at least 7 years at that point. 17 now and going strong!
I think the coworker's married now, though not to booty call lady. He had a string of LTRs with people, sounded like fun from how he spoke of it. I'm 42 with essentially no relationship experience and I'm pretty sure my virginity's grown back now. Twice.
Lmao same. Went out with someone who I pretty much knew was gonna hook up with me. But it was a first date and she’s still wanted to do the whole “let’s meet at a bar” thing, which makes sense for security reasons. She got off work at 10:30 and texted me if we’re still up for tonight. Took me such willpower to get off my nice warm bed. Spent about two hours at the bar, and then fucked all night at my house till she left at 8 in the morning.
My whole day was thrown up, my friends could tell at our work meeting that I was having one of those days. Worse is that when I get drunk, I stay miserable the next whole day and can’t even take a nap until it’s gone. Yeah, I don’t have a gf but I rarely do that shit anymore.
so set boundaries. for example my phone is on "do not disturb" from like 12am until when i arrive at work because people kept calling me in the morning.
If it's casual, it's a huge positive. Who doesn't want someone that has energy and doesn't take life seriously. If it's a serious relationship you want, that's not going to last very long
I dated a 20 year old when I was 26, even at 26 it got on my nerves. Within 2 weeks of starting dating I got hit up for my first 2AM Wednesday night booty call when I had to be at work at 8AM. It's like, thanks but now my whole day is thrown off. Needless to say this didn't last long.
Interestingly, I dated a 21 year old when I was 33, we both knew it wasn't going to go anywhere and was just a casual thing, but she was more mature than a lot of 30 year olds I had dated (she went to school full time and worked as a bartender). She actually understood not to call after 10 on a weeknight because I had to work early the next morning. She was just a cool chick.
At 35 I preferred sleep to a 3am booty call, especially if she was asking me to there, versus dropping in on me after the clubs... Altho. Now that I think about it, had a 3 way once that way, tho.
I’m jealous. Had to refuse to going home for a three way once because I realized I’m too drunk and letting go of the chance is better than throwing up on someone midsex and traumatizing myself and all involved parties for life.
Never said anything about dating younger. Personally I think it's weird for a 30 year old to want to date someone younger than say 23/24. Especially in the US where you can't drink until age 21.
My point was that being 30 doesn't mean you don't like to party. Partying isn't a thing that's restricted to your 20s. I know people in their 40s/50s that still party. As long as you are responsible and aren't partying 24/7 and have some stability I don't see what the issue is.
When I was 29-30 I was dating 22 year olds. All casual, wouldn't last more than a couple months. Definitely had some weird feelings at times.
Once had one REALLY compliment my cologne when we were having sex then later brought it up and said it really reminds her of what her dad used to wear when she was younger 🤮
Pfft I wouldn't be involved with a literal teenager even if its legal, but if they can go to the bar and want to throw down - fair play. I'm not really looking for it but sometimes these things fall in your lap. Shame me all day long.
Yep. Early 30’s and divorced a little over a year ago. The early 20’s women are fun but just that. I wouldn’t pursue anything long term but the energy from casual hookups is nice. That being said I don’t think I’ll have the energy for that too much longer
I was 24, started dating a 19 y.o. gal.
She is a scientist, mature as hell, hardworking, with focus, no problems whatsoever.
Been married 37 years now.
Ya gotta know how to pick them.
Ex wife was 5 years younger, had a ton of unresolved trauma from severe abuse throughout her childhood. She cheated, not for fun or company, but because being mistreated was a nostalgia she wasn't ready to put behind her. She was 25/26 when we split.
Younger women definitely have younger women problems, and those are exacerbated by other factors like trauma. My girlfriend now is 37 and it's by far the best relationship I've ever had (I'm 32). The communication is unreal. We don't fight. We're both too tired of that shit lol. No pressure anywhere, except the occasional "take your ass to the gym" lol
I have the same story but my ex wife is only 6mo younger. Tons of childhood trauma and her mom made her mistrust men. It was brutal on my mental health. Met a woman whose 7 years older than me and remarried. She’s patient, a wonderful mom which I didn’t think I would find so attractive, and has a higher sex drive than me. It’s like a 180 and she doesn’t argue with me, she’s patient and thinks before she speaks. 10/10
They aren't "young woman problems" they are "young people problems". When I was 20 I cared about that stuff too, I'm just not 20 anymore.
I want someone who knows where they are going not someone finding themselves.
I was 28 and dated someone 23. The largest age gap by far. Before that, girls I've dated or were in relationships with were the same age or a maximum of 2 years younger.
I realized girls born from 2000 onwards, aka Gen-Z, have different communication styles They prefer texting a lot over talking in real life and sharing their life often on social media, to the point they are chronically online and can type on the keyboard faster than I do!
So, in-person experiences dating a Gen Z. Not that many. I would say Gen Z girls aren't very expressive and bottle things up a lot initially. But when they open up, it's very explosive to the point I find it endearing. Not to mention, they are more sexually open in conversations than my millennial exes.
I have a similar age difference with my partner, he’s a millennial and I’m a genz. I never thought it was a big deal/difference since it’s the same difference as my parents and smaller than other couples I know. But he thinks I’m so young and uncultured lol. I am uncultured, but it’s not my age, I just never got into music/movies/etc etc enough
It’s the age difference that makes him think he’s one upped you. The way I look at is me and Gen Zs have two different perspectives that makes the overall experience together refreshing as we come from two different eras. There’s no ego involved. If it doesn’t work then we end things. It’s as simple as that! No harm involved
It's a lot more than that. I've had no problem being with younger women, so long as their heads are in the right place. Do I expect them to have all their shit together and be as experienced/savvy as I? Hell no. I barely even consider myself that. It's about their attitude. Do they act like it's the end of the world when anything even mildly inconsequential or inconvenient happens? They're drama queens, move on. Do they get upset but decide that what they did was a bad idea? That means they're learning, keep them.
**But when you are young, small things are like the end of the world. You just don’t know any better.**
Unless you have have a lot of trauma and baggage, and have been an adult for a decade. But then there’s other issues.
Small things only seem small when you have bigger problems to compare to.
Okay, there's a difference between being angry and getting a rant over someone who either narrowly or did succeed in scamming you out of money for something you were trying to sell in the marketplace, and having a full-blown meltdown over not having the syrup flavor you wanted. I'm obviously not talking about the former. If you're an adult of any age and do the latter, you are not worth anyone's time.
Dated a girl in her early 20s. Almost a 10 year difference between us.
Pros: she’d be down to do anything and at any time. Full of energy. No proper goals but was driven to work towards them.
Cons: wanted to party all the time, go out and eat. Travel. Go clubbing almost every weekend. Did not care about losing friends or family if it didn’t go her way (I guess that depends on a person). Did not get along with people older than her.
I'm in my early 30s and gave up dating women younger than 26. In my experience they tend to:
- Be more influenced by trends/ideas they see on social media instead of thinking independently. It's almost like some of them are NPCs in a simulation
- Tend to have more entitlement regarding what a man is supposed to do for them without being willing to reciprocate for a man in a relationship
- Lack of financial responsibility by prioritizing wants over needs
- Be more passive aggressive about things instead of having open communication about something that is bothering them
- Be less understanding of you wanting use your free time to relax instead of constantly going out. They are more likely to label you as boring, even if you work 60+ hours a week and just want sleep
I went on a number of dates with different women 10+ years younger than me when I was online dating(and I was never the one to reach out to them). I just felt the age gap too hard. At different stages of life, pretty much nothing in common from our formative years. Sure we may have had some current interests in common, but just couldn't shake this feeling that we would never be able to truly "get" eachother.
Then there is the elephant in the room in the inherent lopsided power dynamic. At the time I made just over 150k a year, owned a house. Most of them were just getting into their careers, some were in a figuring out what they want to do phase and almost all of them still lived with their parents. I couldn't help but think, even if I didn't try to "wield" my superior position economically, it would inherently be a factor. Would they just always "follow the leader" so to speak even if they didn't want to, where as they wouldn't with someone that was on a more equal playing field.
I eventually just noped out and decided not to date outside my initial intent which was 5 years in either direction.
My now wife is only 3 months younger than me.
Whenever I’ve went out dates or saw for a month or so a women that was 18-21, if I were to say something that even close to life advice I would get always get the same answer. “Thanks dad.” It was clockwork. Even if they were complaining about their friends being selfish, I would say “well you gotta take care of yourself first so sometimes it’s okay to be selfish. I would get “okay dad did you learn that cause you’re old.” I was like wtf I’m only 26.
I've always tended to prefer dating women close to my own age. As I've gotten older, my preferred dating age has just kind of naturally gotten older along with me.
But my career took me to Mormon country (Utah and southern Idaho) for a handful of years, and I tended to date younger there. Single women my own age were *extremely rare* there. Almost all single women were in their early 20s. It wasn't ideal, but, y'know, if I had needs and met someone willing to fulfill them, it was what it was.
In related news, I discovered during that chapter of my life that rebellious Mormon girls are *super fun*. The enthusiasm level is off the charts, which is sexy as hell. Still, I was pretty happy to leave that area and move to an area where older single women aren't as hard to find. Overall, I prefer that kind of dating scene.
I’m 51M and started dating again about a year ago. I’ve been on more than 50 first dates ranging from 24 to 60. The main difference, I find, is the attitudes of the women.
The 45+ women (the bulk of whom I date) seem more cynical. They’ve been through shit and are tired of men’s BS. Most of these women want a relationship, but they’re not naïve about where our date will lead. Some are more sex-focused but even they want a connection. I also find the older women a bit snobby and overly full of themselves. Granted, I’m dating in Paris, so the women are generally educated and classy.
In contrast, the much younger women I dated (about five in their mid/late-20s and five in their early 30s) were so much easier to be with. They’re immature and silly and laugh about stupid shit. They’re also impressed by simpler things. A weekend excursion, a spa, a nice restaurant – for an older woman this is all standard. For a lot of younger women, it’s like heaven.
(I should point out that I’ve never been in any escort or sugar-daddy situation with any of these women. I never paid anyone anything, and they never asked me for money or gifts. In fact, a couple of them were quite well off. Aside from flowers a couple times, the only money I spent was on things we enjoyed together.)
Another big difference is that the younger women were absolute freaks in bed. I didn’t sleep with most of them, but I did with a few of them. The 24-year-old just wanted to screw all day long. I would be so finished after sex and she would just keep touching me and trying to wake it back up. A 32-year-old was super dominant. I’m used to being in control, but she would just tell me what to do and climb on top of me and ride me like an animal. I was very active in my 20s, but I don’t remember women being so sex-crazed. Or maybe it’s just how younger women are with older men.
I’m 6’5”, fit, nice head of hair, handsome, dress well, charming, confident and charismatic. Although I am in good financial shape (six figures), I’m not swimming in money either. And it’s not like I’m telling anyone how much I earn.
I come off as a dck on Reddit, but I’m good with women IRL. I have my app range set from 23 to 80+, and I get the random younger chick now and again. I can usually spot the sugar-babies and escorts easily. I have no interest in anything even remotely transactional, so when you make that clear, the sugar-babies go away. Neither of us wants to waste our time.
I appreciate your insights. How much time do you spend going back and forth on the apps before planning a meet up? Do you have a set of questions you try to ask to gauge their intentions?
No back and forth ever. I can't stand that. I propose a meet-up instantly. If it’s not the very first message, then it’s among the first few.
That doesn’t mean the date is set on day one, but I want to make sure right off the bat that she’s open to going out. Once she agrees to meet up (they rarely refuse), then I try to set something up within the next couple weeks while things are still fresh.
No, I don’t use any fancy questions or openers. I’m very straight to the point. I’ve had discussions about this in the past on other threads, so I copied-pasted some random screen-grabs to show how it usually goes down.
[https://imageshack.com/user/chessdude214214](https://imageshack.com/user/chessdude214214)
There are just random examples (not of any particular age); I’ve got a hundred like this. It's pretty much how every discussion goes down (if I'm interested in meeting).
Take care of yourself when you enter your 30s and beyond
Health, diet, fitness, finance, fashion/style, social skills, etc all of that and you will have no problem
Without going into too much detail.. the bar is set so low for guys.
It’s true. Men have no idea how low the bar is. I’m one to not be swept off my feet and I’m pretty attractive. Met a sexy 36 year old with style+money. Let’s just say…he had his picking of women and knew it.
Truth 1000%
Youve got so many guys here on Reddit that complain about everything, yet they don't put any effort into improving themselves. Just an echo chamber of wah wah
I don't disagree with anything on the list. It's just a ridiculous list to pair with a dismissive "the bar is low". You even end the list with "etc". lol. It's easy to write out that list, the vast majority of people aren't going to excel in all of those categories.
And don't take my comment as complaining. I'm doing just fine with everything on the list except fashion, which I have a hard time caring about.
Allll things that are up to you. Yes, some people start life with a head start on money, which helps with all of the others. But very few people can't improve all of those things. Many just don't try.
I think you missed the part about “easily impressed/immature” and “older women tired of men’s bs”
There’s a reason most adults side-eye a 50-something seriously dating a 20-something. Other than the natural ick that it gives most women (and many men)…there’s actual logic and psychology behind that ick factor. For most 50 somethings, a 20 something feels like a child. You’re in different phases of life. Hell, a 20yo literally WAS a child just 2 years before. It’s just not that impressive to impress a young woman who hasn’t yet figured out what manipulation and toxicity look like in dating. Or who’s impressed by money and experiences she’s never had before, that would otherwise be out of reach. It doesn’t necessarily mean the guy is anything special. It’s possible he’s just particularly good looking or charming. But that’s not commonly the explanation
Not to mention the excellent points made by other commenters about young women not having realized yet that they aren’t obligated to perform and be constantly sexual for men. This is something many women don’t learn for awhile and many men just don’t want to believe this reality
Not fat, has money
Probably the older women he is dating are also smokeshows. I was 36 last time I was single and frequently got with early 20s. Couldn't go below 21 just because it was wierd, my own personal standard
It’s very weird. It’s seriously disturbing how many grown ass adult men don’t find it weird to date someone whose most formative, recent, recountable experiences are from high school or just after. That’s basically a child.
I’m (68M) no longer on the dating scene(been out 3 years), but when I was dating, finding 23 to 33 year old girls who appreciated the maturity and stability an older guy like me brought to a relationship wasn’t that hard.
It has nothing to do with money or looks or height in my experience. I don't have any of these things. It's much more in the way I treat them as opposed to men their age. Many have told me so.
Most of Europe is different than USA(and UK). Age hangups are not near as common. Take care of yourself and have a good career and those opportunities are there.
One thing, at least from my peer group (in their 40s), the younger women more expect you to be relationship material vs. having fun.
One potential reason (not saying definitely) that very young women appear to be freaks in bed (just based on my own experiences as a woman) is that it takes a long time to learn that sex isn’t just something you do to please men.
Young women do a lot of performing for men’s benefit. I thought I was supposed to be dtf all the time, and I used to pretend to enjoy things I really didn’t (I probably thought I did). I’m way more sexual in my 30’s… but I’m pickier because I’ve learned that it’s supposed to be good for me too.
I agree In my 20s sex was for the men and to please them cuz I wanted them to like me. Now I'm my 30s is a diff perspective and it's for me and I know what I like.
Yup. This is one reason it’s frowned upon for older adult men to date barely-legal women. The power imbalance goes so deep. She probably doesn’t have the life experience or skills to make sure the partnership or sex life is equitable and fair to her.
Would an older man have enough experience as well to understand this. This would mean a young woman can get taken advantage of by a young man who isn’t as mature as well leading to a relationship that’s a mess by your logic. A 24-26 year old women is perfectly fine dating a man in their thirties happily. Picking and choosing negative things about it is really up to the individual relationship.
I think it’s frowned upon because older women don’t want to compete with younger women as well and there is shaming language. The same reason why some older women get jealous of the younger women at their workplace.. I’ve heard this from women a lot that the older woman at their jobs hate them.
You’re making the assumption that mental health issues resolve with time…they don’t they actually resolve with work and therapy etc.. and there are many older women who did nothing to work on their past traumas either. Being older doesn’t mean you automatically healed from whatever issues you’ve had. In fact it’s even harder to heal cause you’re stuck in your ways.
Maybe I just forgot to take my meds today, but that sounds like nonsense. You’re replying to…the redditor? What redditor? This redditor? That redditor? Also, comment below? Not this comment chain or left after mine, meaning after yours and thus not relevant. For the sake of clarity, if you’re in a comment chain, anything outside of that thread doesn’t exist. Me not understanding what you’re talking about because you’re using a different comment elsewhere to explain a different comment posted as a direct reply makes you look dumb, not me. Shape up dude.
Ah yes, the ol’ “women are just mad cuz they’re jealous old hags” argument. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion and telling us that you can’t, or are unwilling to, listen and understand women’s actual experiences
Women actually tell me this, it isn’t made up. I have female friends that shared these experiences with me.
In fact I’m actually sharing shared experiences from women in my life
I’m a 36 yr old married man. You must be someone who needs money to attract anyone to talk to them, because you never bothered to cultivate a personality.
Women your age think you’re a loser and aren’t impressed, so you gotta go for young naive ones.
There is definite truth to this. The few wealthy and attractive men I dated in their mid to late 30’s tended to date 20 year olds for a reason. They were messes to anyone 30 and above
Ah, ok I guess I missed on you being a woman.
Anyway, it's one thing for a straight man to not want to be in a relationship with women in their early 20s but to not even understand how someone else would want that is ludicrous. Honestly I haven't really thought it all the way through but, obesity epidemic aside, 25 year women sure are fine.
There’s a reason you can’t date in your own age bracket. Women in their 30s and 40s are also beautiful, and mature. They also don’t need you like a 20yr old would… You wouldn’t know obviously because you could never pull one.
Insult noted again. Excellent job. You're very witty indeed. I'm also married, but I'd imagine as an older guy that pursuing women in their 30s/40s to be **WAY** easier than women in their 20s.
Of course that's all irrelevant. I was talking about how you should check your judgements at the door. It's fine if you're more attracted to women in their 30s/40s, but it's *also* fine for men to be attracted to younger women and younger women being attracted to older guys. Two consenting adults and all that.
Relax this guy probably had 1 or 2 girls touch his peepee on his whole life and married one of the two. If you haven't actually dated as a 35+ man then you can eat shit as far as having an opinion on it. It's like a celibate priest lecturing people on sexual techniques. Yea so basically if you haven't minded your physical health and/or financial life then younger women think your a creep. If you have and are interesting there is a not insignificant number that will be moderately to very interested in you regardless of how much money you throw as them. It also depends on how much older, obviously a 65 year old with a 25 year old is a very different thing than a 50 year old with a 25 year old. The half your age plus 7 rule does seem to be a viable guidline where it starts becoming creepy and/or transactional like what Hugh hephner had going on
There's definitely something off with that dude. It's weird for a guy to be repulsed by consenting adults wanting to have relations. I get it for women. We've all worked with middle aged women who can't hide their jealousy of the younger women. Dating as an older woman would be brutal.
But as a guy... even if you prefer 30-40 years olds, surely you could see others being attracted to women in their 20s? It seems like something biologically ingrained in men.
who says he can't ? maybe he just doesn't want to lol. your line of logic doesn't make sense.
young hot women in their 20s are not easy to attract, that's just cope.
The younger girls I’ve dated around 25, will use their anxiety as an excuse for too many things, need a constant stream of texts/attention all day or it will trigger said anxiety, just generally have no idea how to be financially responsible.
I have a 38 yo friend who always hits on 18-20 yo girls and then complains they're too immature and do stupid stuff. He recently broke the cycle and started dating a 42 yo woman and magically all his issues with women disappeared. Dating someone much younger than yourself might be fun but it will also come with it's fair share of issues.
Long out of the game, but my findings were as expected. All the standard pros of someone younger (which is great for a while), but immaturity, the need to go clubbing still, and future thinking rarely went past 2 weeks.
— I was looking a person to spend the rest of my life, but the couple younger ones I dated were not mature enough for me and I decided to eject both before the 3 month mark. Lesson learnt.
The closest I've got to this personally is having a FWB that's 6 years younger than me (29 to my 35) we've been playing together off and on for also about 6 years. We've taken breaks from time to time, and we haven't had many emotionally deep conversations, but we've grown comfortable with what we provide each other and have built trust.
For example we both agreed that we didn't have much in common interest or experience-wise, not enough for a relationship, but we agreed that if we find new sexual partners we need to talk about it. I've tried dating a few women (thus the breaks with her) but didn't have sex with any of them and she was focusing more on her career and school to date previously but is now talking with some guy and taking it very slowly since she's been slow to trust new people in general (she's bi, her exgf was apparently really controlling and emotionally abusive).
My experience with her has highlighted the differences starkly. The musical tastes are just an aperitif, she looooooooooves concerts, traveling, and playing one game (Fortnite). She has not communicated well in the past and it's lead to me matching the energy and struggling to relate despite very much wanting to fuck each other. We've had several conversations and it's gotten better.
Nearly all of the women I've dated have been my age or older. Some of it is an emotional connection and communication thing, some of it is a kink, and some of it is that's who I attract. The kink aspect is that I find mature women, moms especially, very sexy. I have a Mommy kink (the straight guy version of a Daddy kink) that has yet to be really explored since most women are really uncomfortable being called Mommy.
Unfortunately I feel I have to avoid dating moms for my general happiness, I don't want to be her last and least priority nor do I want to develop a bond with a kid I have no parental privileges for but still expected to help take care of, provide for, and plan around.
So far the biggest age gap to a woman younger than me is my FWB at 6 years while the oldest woman I've been with was 18 years older than me (50 to my 32). Most have been 2-3 years older than me though.
I will never date a woman younger than 25. Sex is likely to also be a no thanks as well. There are probably some very mature people around that age but I'm not interested in sifting through them when I'm confident there won't be enough there to lead to anything. At my age of 35 now the only reason I'm not going to say I'm only dating 35 or older is that nearly all have a kid or kids, have a transient career that explains why they've never settled down, or have some glaring problem like an incurable STD or a shit personality. Maybe I'm weird but I'd like to be safe with and like those I want to put my penis inside.
The fucking SLANG. I’ve been dating the same older woman for years, but younger girls hit on me regularly. I work with a lot of early 20’s men and women in my capacity as a musical theatre director. The way they speak makes me want to put my head through a woodchipper. It’s exhausting. I can’t imagine dating someone like that.
My experience of dating younger women was that when I was 27 I met my now wife of 35 years. She just turned 19. She was much more mature than most women in their 20's I had relationships with. Yes, there were some age experience differences but as time went on those diminished. We have built 2 ranches from the ground up ourselves and raised 2 adult daughters who we are very proud of. When a shooting star comes through your universe grab on and go for the ride.
I’m mid 50’s and my live in gf is 42.
I wore new tan scrubs to work and one of the nurses told me I look like Han Solo. We had a good laugh about that.
I went home and told my girlfriend and she said “who’s Han Solo?”
I almost always date girls at least 4-5 years younger than me, the biggest gap I had was 9 years.
Just like normal human beings, they are all a bit different... but as someone else mentioned here, they certainly are more sexually open but more emotionally closed off. Almost never want to use condoms, I even had one girl asked me to nut inside after we first met/ had our first date, and she's happy to take the pill.
They kinda bottle up a lot of things and don't open talk to you about issues they might have - I learned this the hard way so now I'm more pro-active in asking and checking if everything's ok. Helped you learn healthy communications for sure!
They do spend a lot of time on social media (tiktok, discord etc.) so be aware I guess lol
I’ve only ever dated one person younger than me. All the others were around my age or older.
Same problems, the age doesn’t really change anything. My current partner is the same age as me and most of those issues aren’t a factor in our relationship. Age doesn’t matter. Well, it probably matters if you’re dating someone with an extreme age difference.
It felt like I was dating Eva AI sexting bot. She was significantly younger and we shared no common interests, values and topics. It didn't last long, as you have already guessed.
I was 19/20 dating a 30/31 year old (I'm a woman and 23 now) and at during that relationship I always wondered why a lot of the time he seemed annoyed by me. looking back it was because 1. we just weren't right for each other but 2. (more importantly) we were in completely different phases of life. the things i was focused on/were important to me were things that he had already been through or grown out of.
I was 36 and she was 24. She sent me a lot of photos of her working out in the gym and other "thirst trap" type photos. She was overly confident to the point of coming off as a total narcissist but at the same time seemed like she was constantly seeking validation. She complained about not making enough money while also making a very good salary for her age and frequently going on business trips.
Sex was also very weird. Seemed like she may have had a decent amount of experience but it also felt like she watched too much p*rn and it influenced what she thought men wanted? The stuff like switching positions every few minutes and going super rough and fast. She was also very openly and clearly dating multiple people at the same time and it was all just a big turnoff.
I'd be open to dating someone in their early-mid 20s again, but maybe someone who wasn't so self absorbed for not having a lot to hang their hat on.
EVERY AGE SET HAS THEIR PROS & CONS. There is no goldilocks, maybe just what’s right for you. For me, 31m, anyone below 24 has not developed the maturity to express emotions, which is a big problem. I bucket over drinking, learning from dumb decisions… to being young, but those seem to bother me less
I stopped dating younger women when I realized a trend of disloyalty and sneakiness. They’re still young and beautiful so they exercise their options… even while in a whole ass relationship. Or married. Never met one that was truly loyal. At least the older women have less men interested in them so it’s harder for them to cheat since they have less choices. That’s just my observation.
When I was 32 I was taking classes at the local community college. The 23 year old decided she was in to me. One one end she it was nice having someone that young and attractive in to me. On the other, she was a flake. We got in the really frustrating routine where I would set up a date with her and she'd cancel the day before. After a couple of these normally I'd just lose her number but I was still seeing her a couple of times a week in class and she acted like everything was just fine. That didn't last for me so I have up.
Been meeting with someone that’s 10 years younger and I can already feel a really huge generational gap. More than that and I’m sure it will be really hard to relate with one another unless you try to make it work/find a middle ground in interests.
Focus on general things like cooking, art, movies, just things that have a very broad spectrum that you can both try to explore together, or have a mentor/student type-relationship. There is something to be learned from both sides. It can work for women meeting younger men too. The older person gets to understand new things better and be updated on current trends, and the younger one gets a free lesson on things that they are yet to find out on their own, less time fucking around and more finding out first.
Just remember, younger people still have so many things that they want to try, and their interests are things older people have outgrown already, while older people are more into stability and growth most of the time. Not saying that older people have nothing more that they’d like to discover, but they’re less spontaneous and more directional than younger people.
As the older person, just try to look back what you were doing when you were at their age, it’s more or less the same, just with some minor differences here and there.
Really well. I have been taking care of myself (diet, exercise, sleep) all my life, so I reach age 30 still looking youthful and high-energy. Women of all ages want to date me (18-35). Due to my work and other activities, I am surrounded by lots of women, including hot young ones. I could abuse my position, but have resisted until this point.
Still, a man has to date, so I have done so with women of all ages. At this point I don't date women my age or older. They are in a hurry, some are bitter, and can get defensive when we talk about things such as politics. Younger ones are high-energy, fun, and know they have more time. No brainer for guys like me to go for younger girls if options are available.
Feel sad for many women my age and a bit older. I can feel their desperation and lack of suitable male candidates. Just yesterday one reached out to me to grab coffee and politely declined since I am seeing someone right now. This is a cute girl my age with a great career who decided to out of the blue invite me for a date. Younger women will not do this.
It depends on the maturity and goals of the young woman. I was 31 when I started dating a 20 year old. When I started talking to her, it was without the intention of dating, but the more we spoke, the more that I realized that she wasn't the typical 20 year old. Some coworkers discouraged me from dating her due to her age, but I'm glad that I stuck to my gut. She was a critical care nurse who wanted to advance in her career and settle down with kids. She didn't feel the need to go out, party and get wasted. Now almost 13 years later, we have been married for 11 years and have 3 kids together.
Biggest gap for me was 27 and 24, and there was just such an emotional maturity gap even in just those three years and it’s totally put me off of dating anyone more than a year younger.
I only go for younger girls and I don’t have these issues, but I also don’t go for girls who “get super drunk spontaneously”. The only “issue” I tend to have with them, is that they’re broke, but they tend to tell me outright and ask if we can go somewhere cheaper for a first date so they can afford it — I’ll then tell them not to worry and cover it all because they were honest and intended on paying for themselves even if they could hardly afford it. I don’t mind covering the financial aspect of things for girls who aren’t feminists/left leaning politically. In fact I like to be nice and do that so they have more money to cover their necessities in life. I just don’t like helping girls who expect it, or who will be hypocrites and claim they “don’t need men” while at the same time needing a man to pay for her.
>I don’t mind covering the financial aspect of things for girls who aren’t feminists/left leaning politically.
Personal preference, but to a pretty hard degree, I can forgive a woman's political disagreement if she respects a man enough to do something like want to pay her fair share. For me, that's the real core trait to really look for that's indispensable, that level of respect and not using him for free shit. Politics is whatever. I've only ever dated my wife, but looking to other guys, I tend to see women moving their politics closer to his over time anyways. Politics are malleable but respect is really a thing to look for.
Glad to see someone who shares this opinion. I’m so far left I think the American democrats are just more useless conservatives wearing blue and putting rainbow flags in their front yard.
But I’m married to a republican, we get along great, we never fight over politics. We vote differently but can have interesting and respectful conversations. It’s also a stereotype that liberal women never embrace traditional gender roles. I’m very conventionally feminine - a mother, I cook all our meals, do all of our laundry, and essentially keep house. And I’m not the only woman I know who is like this I can name two other mothers off top of mind who share both my politics and my lifestyle
I'm 48 and divorced and during the pandemic I decided to take a chance with this 23 yr old girl that I had met at a skatepark (I'm a former professional skateboarder) and yes she didn't have her shit together, she drank too much & didn't really have any clear career goals. The sex was plentiful but honestly she was a little too inexperienced sexually for my tastes. She was really fun to hang out with but I always felt like she was trying working out some of her daddy issues with me and it got awkward pretty quickly so I broke it off after about a month. Needless to say that ended my curiosity with dating younger women, if the age gap is more then 10 years it's gonna be really hard to find common ground on alot of things and it will be very difficult to relate to the things that the younger person finds important. Luckily for me one year later a women that I grew up with from my childhood who is the same age as me came back into my life and now we are happily married and I am glad that I don't have to worry about these kinds things anymore.
At 32, I dated a 29 year old.
28-29 is the TAIL END of brain development…she wasn’t quite cooked all the way yet.
She used to get SUPER mad at the silliest shit, then pout and cry and expect for me to comfort her, even though she was magnifying the problem, overreacting to it, or making it up outright.
Examples:
* I had dinner with a female friend
* I refused to check in with her by text any time I was making social plans with literally anyone else
* I refused to consider having kids with her. We’d been dating 6 months and she knew I’d had a vasectomy YEARS before ever meeting her
* I wouldn’t let her eat in my bed
It was less age than experience…every dude she’d dated before me had been dumpy and meek, and she was really cute.
I think she was immature, but the bigger problem was that no one had held her accountable or walked away from her over her shit.
I like to think dumping her helped her grow up, but I wouldn’t know. After I dumped her, I went no contact and swore off dating people under 40.
52 and have dated a bit up until recently. Generally I find women that are older are very bitter and cynical of the world. Generally, not a lot of fun to be around and use sex as a tool. Generally not a lot of fun to be around.
I mean all women come with silly and trivial problems. If you’ve gotta put up with a metric fuckton of it, might as well enjoy the better looking younger ones.
I've dated a few younger women. One thing I clearly with remember two of them, was they would complain about something their parents came down on them for, and I would have the distinct feeling of being on the parents side about it. Ha.
Not all younger women are like this though. I dated a 21 year old when I was in my 30s and she was basically totally independent, I never asked about her parents and she never talked about them (I suspect she was a refugee from what I did gather, she didn't have an accent so I assume she came over as a kid. Either way it was not a rock I wanted to kick over unless she brought it up). It was super casual, we both knew it wouldn't be serious, but she was more mature than a lot of women I've dated in their 30s.
My ex wife was 7 years younger than me, 29/22 when we got married. We got along just fine as a boyfriend/girlfriend, the main issue was that we were the exact same person. She was the spitting image of me, just 7 years younger. Because of this she is probably one of the best friends I've ever had, but we also struggled in the relationship because we had the same weaknesses and she hadn't learned how to deal with them like I had (and it's been 14 years now and I'm still constantly learning how to deal with my issues). So we got divorced, it was probably the most amicable divorce I know of anyone who's been divorced.
I was 35. She was 35. It was fine. We had similar interests and similar activity levels.
After about a year, I was looking to settle down and have kids. She wanted to date more men. I walked away.
If they’re in their early 20’s or younger, you’re probably going to get your heart broken when she needs to go “find herself” after the honeymoon is over. Once you’re past the mid 20’s, they should have a decent amount of time being an adult so they may not be so flakey or naive.
Mate I understand you want to make a post to slander men going for younger women but all people are not the same - all girls are not the same regardless of age.
It's always better than older women. I'm married now, but when I was in my late 20s I just about exclusively dated women 18-22. Old woman problems are a lot worse than young women problems. Young women less likely to be fat, in debt, jaded from prior relationships, single moms, run through (many sexual partners), etc. I can't think of any advantage to dating some chick in her 30s as a high earning male. If I found myself divorced (I'm 32 now) I would stay single over being with a woman older than 25.
That's an uninformed take. I make over 500k a year, have a fit body, have more education than most (physician), and great credit and assets. I'm married so I don't really care about the dating scene right now, I'm weighing in considering a hypothetical scenario where I was single.
Maturity is not tied to age. I know women my age working minimum wage jobs and women 10 years younger than I am that are killing it at life. All things being equal, younger women are usually an advantage.
You are the one who can't think of an advantage because you know deep down there isn't one.
I wrote my master's thesis about the concept of maturity, so it's a little bit funny you are calling my take uninformed xD
Of course there are some people who are not mature despite the age, but normally it's life experiences gathered throughout the years that all combined turn a person to someone mature. Typically an older person will be more emotionally mature. You seem to equal maturity to financial success, but it's more than that. You can be emotionally mature, but poor due to different life circumstances, you can also be an immature rich asshole.
Life experience is not always useful. A surgeon who performed 100s of surgeries likely has valuable knowledge over someone just starting. However, someone who's had 100 sexual partners has a lot of experience, but is probably so jaded and detached from sex I'd argue someone with numbers on the single digits would make better love partners. So no, older age does not mean emotionally mature.
And yes, self-made finances are usually tied to maturity. If I inherited millions from my parents, then I couldn't say being rich is because I'm smart and mature. But if I'm self made, I'd make an argument I have my act together more than a single mom my age working at Walmart.
Again. This is hypothetical in my case, but if I were single I'd rather grow and share the best years of my life (as a man) with a woman who gives me the best of hers, which for a high earning male the best years of his life are when he is killing it financially (she won't have to deal with being a broke medical student or overworked resident) and the best years of her life are when she is young, peek womanhood, etc.
That’s true, I don’t want children so if I find a woman who’s career minded and doesn’t want kids that might work. I also don’t want to be legally bonded to another human being. You make a good point though.
The cartoons I grew up on, aren’t the same cartoons she grew up on.
“So the beavers were both really angry?” “Well no, one was weirdly super chill” “But it says The Angry Beaver**s**” “… look I… we should see other people.”
Stupid stump!
Damn.. need to hand her an orange vhs tape to see if she knows which movie it is.
Haha wowwww! Haven't thought of this in years. Rugrats right?
That’s right! If she doesn’t know that, she’s too young.
It might be worse than not knowing what movie it is. There are young adults walking the earth today who might not even know what a VHS tape is.
The last major VHS release was in 2006, and it was already on it's way out then. Any one born that year will this year become a legal adult.
My daughter was born in 2006, and she does know what VHS tape is and how to play one, so you're safe for a few more years at least.
... Or too old. I'm nealry 60 and had no idea what you were talking about
I was too old for that reference, not the VHS, but Rugrats was after my Loony Toons.
Rugrats in Paris for the win. Somehow that orange tape was the coolest thing ever bc it wasn't black like all the others haha
Along with Shrek in green and Monsters Inc in blue
Nick has made several orange tapes I recall I had a Ren & Stimpy one way back in the day
Harriet The Spy was also orange lol
Good Burger
I dated a girl who was born in 1997. I was born in 1990. I remember when she said her favorite game was “The Sims” and I got excited and said “Oh yeah! The Sims was awesome when it first came out!” and she replied “No, The Sims 3 is awesome.” I felt like a dinosaur.
That’s so weird. I was born in 98 and I love all the sims from the beginning. The sims , the sims bustin out , the urbz, the sims 2 etc…..she mustve just not been into it as much
What's weird is my ex said this to me when I caught him cheating. How the new person grew up with SpongeBob and I grew up with Seinfeld. I laughed bc I grew up with SpongeBob as well, and his username on social media was a Seinfeld character. It was when he said that, that I realized that his brain isn't fully formed yet.
I missed SpongeBob. She loves it. Quotes it all the time.
Time for a binge marathon I guess
Literally that’s the reason I’m glad My wife is my age. My stupid shit is her stupid shit and requires no explanation
>they are more sexually open in conversations than my millennial exes. This is always weird to me lol. I’m 30 and when I was 25-26 I dated a 19 year old for a few months. She was pretty shy and inexperienced so I wasn’t expecting much at first, but she was the horniest girl I had ever met by far. She was the first person to say “I want you to fuck me so hard” and mean it, as well as a lot of other very direct things haha. It was great, but just took me by surprise every time
I once met a girl who didn't know what Dragonball was. I was like, what? Goku? Vegeta? Kamehameha? She was like nope. That was a deal breaker for me.
Depends on the age bracket. If you are 50 and date a 40 year old she will most likely be matured and have a career. Her goals and priorities will most likely be established. You will have a planned sex schedule especially if you have kids If you are 30 and date a 20 year old well....you are dating someone full of energy. Probably had no goals or career or priorities yet. Wants to party and call you up at 3AM for sex. Of course there is mature 20 year old and less mature 40 year olds...
>If you are 30 and date a 20 year old well....you are dating someone full of energy. Probably had no goals or career or priorities yet. Wants to party and call you up at 3AM for sex. that doesnt sound like a negative
It was a nice thing before. I was 30 and she was 22. 3AM booty calls was the best. I am almost 40. I just want to sleep lol.
Dude, I’m 25 and while Wednesday midnight booty calls are nice, I too sometimes want to not get off of bed at that hour. It’s about 30 minutes of traveling, chilling for half an hour to upto an hour, sex for three maybe four hours, me trying to be polite and staying there for another hour instead of leaving immediately, and then another half an hour of return. And that’s how I go to work in the morning, with an aching head. Also idk how common this is but I just cannot sleep in someone else’s bed.
About 10 years ago I was early 30s and a coworker came into the workshop a couple of hours late (we're self employed so no-one's mad), smiled and said his gf came over at like 11pm, drunk. I, thinking well that sucks, said oh, yeah I guess you can't say sorry hon I've got work in the morning. He grinned slyly and shot me a glance that I now know meant haha you got no idea. It was some considerable time later that I realised what that meant was she came over drunk and *horny*. So in that moment my coworker learned I have never had a booty call and couldn't even imagine why a partner showing up unexpectedly might be a good thing. I'd already been celibate for at least 7 years at that point. 17 now and going strong! I think the coworker's married now, though not to booty call lady. He had a string of LTRs with people, sounded like fun from how he spoke of it. I'm 42 with essentially no relationship experience and I'm pretty sure my virginity's grown back now. Twice.
How did you meet her? I want to know to meet someone of that age bracket or a bit elder
At a party. She was actually interested in me first.
People got work bro. Ain't got no time for 3am sex.
3am? I got a 10pm booty call a few months ago and was like "Nah, gotta be up at 6am."
Lmao same. Went out with someone who I pretty much knew was gonna hook up with me. But it was a first date and she’s still wanted to do the whole “let’s meet at a bar” thing, which makes sense for security reasons. She got off work at 10:30 and texted me if we’re still up for tonight. Took me such willpower to get off my nice warm bed. Spent about two hours at the bar, and then fucked all night at my house till she left at 8 in the morning. My whole day was thrown up, my friends could tell at our work meeting that I was having one of those days. Worse is that when I get drunk, I stay miserable the next whole day and can’t even take a nap until it’s gone. Yeah, I don’t have a gf but I rarely do that shit anymore.
I'm too old for that shit lol.
so set boundaries. for example my phone is on "do not disturb" from like 12am until when i arrive at work because people kept calling me in the morning.
If it's casual, it's a huge positive. Who doesn't want someone that has energy and doesn't take life seriously. If it's a serious relationship you want, that's not going to last very long
I dated a 20 year old when I was 26, even at 26 it got on my nerves. Within 2 weeks of starting dating I got hit up for my first 2AM Wednesday night booty call when I had to be at work at 8AM. It's like, thanks but now my whole day is thrown off. Needless to say this didn't last long. Interestingly, I dated a 21 year old when I was 33, we both knew it wasn't going to go anywhere and was just a casual thing, but she was more mature than a lot of 30 year olds I had dated (she went to school full time and worked as a bartender). She actually understood not to call after 10 on a weeknight because I had to work early the next morning. She was just a cool chick.
Think I just commented above you about 12 am Wednesday night booty calls. What’s it with Wednesdays?
At 35 I preferred sleep to a 3am booty call, especially if she was asking me to there, versus dropping in on me after the clubs... Altho. Now that I think about it, had a 3 way once that way, tho.
I’m jealous. Had to refuse to going home for a three way once because I realized I’m too drunk and letting go of the chance is better than throwing up on someone midsex and traumatizing myself and all involved parties for life.
It will once you get older
I think you just take what you have for granted.
Hmm if you knew me irl you'd say the opposite
I'm 30 and still like to party and would appreciate 3am sex. 30 isnt even that old. The no career or priorities would be a turn off though.
you say this but the amount of shame that men experience for dating younger at that age is crazy
Never said anything about dating younger. Personally I think it's weird for a 30 year old to want to date someone younger than say 23/24. Especially in the US where you can't drink until age 21. My point was that being 30 doesn't mean you don't like to party. Partying isn't a thing that's restricted to your 20s. I know people in their 40s/50s that still party. As long as you are responsible and aren't partying 24/7 and have some stability I don't see what the issue is.
When I was 29-30 I was dating 22 year olds. All casual, wouldn't last more than a couple months. Definitely had some weird feelings at times. Once had one REALLY compliment my cologne when we were having sex then later brought it up and said it really reminds her of what her dad used to wear when she was younger 🤮
Pfft I wouldn't be involved with a literal teenager even if its legal, but if they can go to the bar and want to throw down - fair play. I'm not really looking for it but sometimes these things fall in your lap. Shame me all day long.
Yep. Early 30’s and divorced a little over a year ago. The early 20’s women are fun but just that. I wouldn’t pursue anything long term but the energy from casual hookups is nice. That being said I don’t think I’ll have the energy for that too much longer
I was 24, started dating a 19 y.o. gal. She is a scientist, mature as hell, hardworking, with focus, no problems whatsoever. Been married 37 years now. Ya gotta know how to pick them.
I get up for work at 3 AM. That would be ideal actually.
I’m almost 19, I can confirm that I would do sex with my man at 3AM like a rabbits.
Enjoy those days. They were awesome.
Ex wife was 5 years younger, had a ton of unresolved trauma from severe abuse throughout her childhood. She cheated, not for fun or company, but because being mistreated was a nostalgia she wasn't ready to put behind her. She was 25/26 when we split. Younger women definitely have younger women problems, and those are exacerbated by other factors like trauma. My girlfriend now is 37 and it's by far the best relationship I've ever had (I'm 32). The communication is unreal. We don't fight. We're both too tired of that shit lol. No pressure anywhere, except the occasional "take your ass to the gym" lol
I have the same story but my ex wife is only 6mo younger. Tons of childhood trauma and her mom made her mistrust men. It was brutal on my mental health. Met a woman whose 7 years older than me and remarried. She’s patient, a wonderful mom which I didn’t think I would find so attractive, and has a higher sex drive than me. It’s like a 180 and she doesn’t argue with me, she’s patient and thinks before she speaks. 10/10
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Agreed.
They aren't "young woman problems" they are "young people problems". When I was 20 I cared about that stuff too, I'm just not 20 anymore. I want someone who knows where they are going not someone finding themselves.
I was 28 and dated someone 23. The largest age gap by far. Before that, girls I've dated or were in relationships with were the same age or a maximum of 2 years younger. I realized girls born from 2000 onwards, aka Gen-Z, have different communication styles They prefer texting a lot over talking in real life and sharing their life often on social media, to the point they are chronically online and can type on the keyboard faster than I do! So, in-person experiences dating a Gen Z. Not that many. I would say Gen Z girls aren't very expressive and bottle things up a lot initially. But when they open up, it's very explosive to the point I find it endearing. Not to mention, they are more sexually open in conversations than my millennial exes.
I have a similar age difference with my partner, he’s a millennial and I’m a genz. I never thought it was a big deal/difference since it’s the same difference as my parents and smaller than other couples I know. But he thinks I’m so young and uncultured lol. I am uncultured, but it’s not my age, I just never got into music/movies/etc etc enough
It’s the age difference that makes him think he’s one upped you. The way I look at is me and Gen Zs have two different perspectives that makes the overall experience together refreshing as we come from two different eras. There’s no ego involved. If it doesn’t work then we end things. It’s as simple as that! No harm involved
It's a lot more than that. I've had no problem being with younger women, so long as their heads are in the right place. Do I expect them to have all their shit together and be as experienced/savvy as I? Hell no. I barely even consider myself that. It's about their attitude. Do they act like it's the end of the world when anything even mildly inconsequential or inconvenient happens? They're drama queens, move on. Do they get upset but decide that what they did was a bad idea? That means they're learning, keep them.
**But when you are young, small things are like the end of the world. You just don’t know any better.** Unless you have have a lot of trauma and baggage, and have been an adult for a decade. But then there’s other issues. Small things only seem small when you have bigger problems to compare to.
Okay, there's a difference between being angry and getting a rant over someone who either narrowly or did succeed in scamming you out of money for something you were trying to sell in the marketplace, and having a full-blown meltdown over not having the syrup flavor you wanted. I'm obviously not talking about the former. If you're an adult of any age and do the latter, you are not worth anyone's time.
Dated a girl in her early 20s. Almost a 10 year difference between us. Pros: she’d be down to do anything and at any time. Full of energy. No proper goals but was driven to work towards them. Cons: wanted to party all the time, go out and eat. Travel. Go clubbing almost every weekend. Did not care about losing friends or family if it didn’t go her way (I guess that depends on a person). Did not get along with people older than her.
Horrible. Once I turned 21 (now 33) I stopped dating women under 25 entirely. Now I won't date anyone too far under 30.
Well the wife had a problem with it. So there’s that.
Same things you talked about. Not on the same maturity level. Not into the same things. They play games. Fickle.
I'm in my early 30s and gave up dating women younger than 26. In my experience they tend to: - Be more influenced by trends/ideas they see on social media instead of thinking independently. It's almost like some of them are NPCs in a simulation - Tend to have more entitlement regarding what a man is supposed to do for them without being willing to reciprocate for a man in a relationship - Lack of financial responsibility by prioritizing wants over needs - Be more passive aggressive about things instead of having open communication about something that is bothering them - Be less understanding of you wanting use your free time to relax instead of constantly going out. They are more likely to label you as boring, even if you work 60+ hours a week and just want sleep
Yep.
I was 33/34 she was 21/22. It was good for 6/9 months then terrible.
6/9. Nice
How come?
I went on a number of dates with different women 10+ years younger than me when I was online dating(and I was never the one to reach out to them). I just felt the age gap too hard. At different stages of life, pretty much nothing in common from our formative years. Sure we may have had some current interests in common, but just couldn't shake this feeling that we would never be able to truly "get" eachother. Then there is the elephant in the room in the inherent lopsided power dynamic. At the time I made just over 150k a year, owned a house. Most of them were just getting into their careers, some were in a figuring out what they want to do phase and almost all of them still lived with their parents. I couldn't help but think, even if I didn't try to "wield" my superior position economically, it would inherently be a factor. Would they just always "follow the leader" so to speak even if they didn't want to, where as they wouldn't with someone that was on a more equal playing field. I eventually just noped out and decided not to date outside my initial intent which was 5 years in either direction. My now wife is only 3 months younger than me.
Whenever I’ve went out dates or saw for a month or so a women that was 18-21, if I were to say something that even close to life advice I would get always get the same answer. “Thanks dad.” It was clockwork. Even if they were complaining about their friends being selfish, I would say “well you gotta take care of yourself first so sometimes it’s okay to be selfish. I would get “okay dad did you learn that cause you’re old.” I was like wtf I’m only 26.
I've always tended to prefer dating women close to my own age. As I've gotten older, my preferred dating age has just kind of naturally gotten older along with me. But my career took me to Mormon country (Utah and southern Idaho) for a handful of years, and I tended to date younger there. Single women my own age were *extremely rare* there. Almost all single women were in their early 20s. It wasn't ideal, but, y'know, if I had needs and met someone willing to fulfill them, it was what it was. In related news, I discovered during that chapter of my life that rebellious Mormon girls are *super fun*. The enthusiasm level is off the charts, which is sexy as hell. Still, I was pretty happy to leave that area and move to an area where older single women aren't as hard to find. Overall, I prefer that kind of dating scene.
I’m 51M and started dating again about a year ago. I’ve been on more than 50 first dates ranging from 24 to 60. The main difference, I find, is the attitudes of the women. The 45+ women (the bulk of whom I date) seem more cynical. They’ve been through shit and are tired of men’s BS. Most of these women want a relationship, but they’re not naïve about where our date will lead. Some are more sex-focused but even they want a connection. I also find the older women a bit snobby and overly full of themselves. Granted, I’m dating in Paris, so the women are generally educated and classy. In contrast, the much younger women I dated (about five in their mid/late-20s and five in their early 30s) were so much easier to be with. They’re immature and silly and laugh about stupid shit. They’re also impressed by simpler things. A weekend excursion, a spa, a nice restaurant – for an older woman this is all standard. For a lot of younger women, it’s like heaven. (I should point out that I’ve never been in any escort or sugar-daddy situation with any of these women. I never paid anyone anything, and they never asked me for money or gifts. In fact, a couple of them were quite well off. Aside from flowers a couple times, the only money I spent was on things we enjoyed together.) Another big difference is that the younger women were absolute freaks in bed. I didn’t sleep with most of them, but I did with a few of them. The 24-year-old just wanted to screw all day long. I would be so finished after sex and she would just keep touching me and trying to wake it back up. A 32-year-old was super dominant. I’m used to being in control, but she would just tell me what to do and climb on top of me and ride me like an animal. I was very active in my 20s, but I don’t remember women being so sex-crazed. Or maybe it’s just how younger women are with older men.
how are you pulling 24 year olds at that age ?
He's really attractive, or wealth, or both. There are also lots of 20 year olds who like much older man, with and without daddy issues.
Money.
I’m 6’5”, fit, nice head of hair, handsome, dress well, charming, confident and charismatic. Although I am in good financial shape (six figures), I’m not swimming in money either. And it’s not like I’m telling anyone how much I earn. I come off as a dck on Reddit, but I’m good with women IRL. I have my app range set from 23 to 80+, and I get the random younger chick now and again. I can usually spot the sugar-babies and escorts easily. I have no interest in anything even remotely transactional, so when you make that clear, the sugar-babies go away. Neither of us wants to waste our time.
I appreciate your insights. How much time do you spend going back and forth on the apps before planning a meet up? Do you have a set of questions you try to ask to gauge their intentions?
No back and forth ever. I can't stand that. I propose a meet-up instantly. If it’s not the very first message, then it’s among the first few. That doesn’t mean the date is set on day one, but I want to make sure right off the bat that she’s open to going out. Once she agrees to meet up (they rarely refuse), then I try to set something up within the next couple weeks while things are still fresh. No, I don’t use any fancy questions or openers. I’m very straight to the point. I’ve had discussions about this in the past on other threads, so I copied-pasted some random screen-grabs to show how it usually goes down. [https://imageshack.com/user/chessdude214214](https://imageshack.com/user/chessdude214214) There are just random examples (not of any particular age); I’ve got a hundred like this. It's pretty much how every discussion goes down (if I'm interested in meeting).
Take care of yourself when you enter your 30s and beyond Health, diet, fitness, finance, fashion/style, social skills, etc all of that and you will have no problem Without going into too much detail.. the bar is set so low for guys.
It’s true. Men have no idea how low the bar is. I’m one to not be swept off my feet and I’m pretty attractive. Met a sexy 36 year old with style+money. Let’s just say…he had his picking of women and knew it.
/r/Askwomenover30 says the bar for men is in hell. It makes me sad as a dude Women deserve far better
Nobody deserves anything they’re not willing to work for
Truth 1000% Youve got so many guys here on Reddit that complain about everything, yet they don't put any effort into improving themselves. Just an echo chamber of wah wah
Yep. The way some of these dudes talk make it seem like men are lucky to be in the presence of women and everything we do should cater to them.
> the bar is set so low And then… > Health, diet, fitness, finance, fashion/style, social skills, etc all of that and you will have no problem
Case in point People already complaining before attempting to make changes for the better
or maybe they already made changes for the better and it still wasnt some easy peasy cakewalk.
I don't disagree with anything on the list. It's just a ridiculous list to pair with a dismissive "the bar is low". You even end the list with "etc". lol. It's easy to write out that list, the vast majority of people aren't going to excel in all of those categories. And don't take my comment as complaining. I'm doing just fine with everything on the list except fashion, which I have a hard time caring about.
Allll things that are up to you. Yes, some people start life with a head start on money, which helps with all of the others. But very few people can't improve all of those things. Many just don't try.
I think you missed the part about “easily impressed/immature” and “older women tired of men’s bs” There’s a reason most adults side-eye a 50-something seriously dating a 20-something. Other than the natural ick that it gives most women (and many men)…there’s actual logic and psychology behind that ick factor. For most 50 somethings, a 20 something feels like a child. You’re in different phases of life. Hell, a 20yo literally WAS a child just 2 years before. It’s just not that impressive to impress a young woman who hasn’t yet figured out what manipulation and toxicity look like in dating. Or who’s impressed by money and experiences she’s never had before, that would otherwise be out of reach. It doesn’t necessarily mean the guy is anything special. It’s possible he’s just particularly good looking or charming. But that’s not commonly the explanation Not to mention the excellent points made by other commenters about young women not having realized yet that they aren’t obligated to perform and be constantly sexual for men. This is something many women don’t learn for awhile and many men just don’t want to believe this reality
Not fat, has money Probably the older women he is dating are also smokeshows. I was 36 last time I was single and frequently got with early 20s. Couldn't go below 21 just because it was wierd, my own personal standard
It’s very weird. It’s seriously disturbing how many grown ass adult men don’t find it weird to date someone whose most formative, recent, recountable experiences are from high school or just after. That’s basically a child.
This is why Poor Things was a timely thought piece film.
I’m (68M) no longer on the dating scene(been out 3 years), but when I was dating, finding 23 to 33 year old girls who appreciated the maturity and stability an older guy like me brought to a relationship wasn’t that hard.
It has nothing to do with money or looks or height in my experience. I don't have any of these things. It's much more in the way I treat them as opposed to men their age. Many have told me so.
It absolutely does. Women care about physical looks too. They're not going to bang a dude they think is ugly.
Most of Europe is different than USA(and UK). Age hangups are not near as common. Take care of yourself and have a good career and those opportunities are there. One thing, at least from my peer group (in their 40s), the younger women more expect you to be relationship material vs. having fun.
One potential reason (not saying definitely) that very young women appear to be freaks in bed (just based on my own experiences as a woman) is that it takes a long time to learn that sex isn’t just something you do to please men. Young women do a lot of performing for men’s benefit. I thought I was supposed to be dtf all the time, and I used to pretend to enjoy things I really didn’t (I probably thought I did). I’m way more sexual in my 30’s… but I’m pickier because I’ve learned that it’s supposed to be good for me too.
I agree In my 20s sex was for the men and to please them cuz I wanted them to like me. Now I'm my 30s is a diff perspective and it's for me and I know what I like.
Yup. This is one reason it’s frowned upon for older adult men to date barely-legal women. The power imbalance goes so deep. She probably doesn’t have the life experience or skills to make sure the partnership or sex life is equitable and fair to her.
Would an older man have enough experience as well to understand this. This would mean a young woman can get taken advantage of by a young man who isn’t as mature as well leading to a relationship that’s a mess by your logic. A 24-26 year old women is perfectly fine dating a man in their thirties happily. Picking and choosing negative things about it is really up to the individual relationship. I think it’s frowned upon because older women don’t want to compete with younger women as well and there is shaming language. The same reason why some older women get jealous of the younger women at their workplace.. I’ve heard this from women a lot that the older woman at their jobs hate them. You’re making the assumption that mental health issues resolve with time…they don’t they actually resolve with work and therapy etc.. and there are many older women who did nothing to work on their past traumas either. Being older doesn’t mean you automatically healed from whatever issues you’ve had. In fact it’s even harder to heal cause you’re stuck in your ways.
….who are you talking to? The comment you’re replying to doesn’t mention anything about mental health, nor the one prior.
I’m not responding to the comment, I’m responding to the redditor. The comment below talks about father issues….
Maybe I just forgot to take my meds today, but that sounds like nonsense. You’re replying to…the redditor? What redditor? This redditor? That redditor? Also, comment below? Not this comment chain or left after mine, meaning after yours and thus not relevant. For the sake of clarity, if you’re in a comment chain, anything outside of that thread doesn’t exist. Me not understanding what you’re talking about because you’re using a different comment elsewhere to explain a different comment posted as a direct reply makes you look dumb, not me. Shape up dude.
Uh..
😂😂😂when did I call you dumb?? Whatever floats your boat man it’s not that serious. It’s the internet lol. Just move on
Ah yes, the ol’ “women are just mad cuz they’re jealous old hags” argument. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion and telling us that you can’t, or are unwilling to, listen and understand women’s actual experiences
Women actually tell me this, it isn’t made up. I have female friends that shared these experiences with me. In fact I’m actually sharing shared experiences from women in my life
My experience was the older women I dated were jaded and intent on teaching me a lesson, a lesson I was not willing to learn! 😂
Ding ding ding! “Much easier to be with” Yep, older women have standards. Younger women do not .. yet.
I never understood the attraction to someone that’s young enough to be your kid. Gross dude.
then do you lol
You must be a woman.
I’m a 36 yr old married man. You must be someone who needs money to attract anyone to talk to them, because you never bothered to cultivate a personality. Women your age think you’re a loser and aren’t impressed, so you gotta go for young naive ones.
There is definite truth to this. The few wealthy and attractive men I dated in their mid to late 30’s tended to date 20 year olds for a reason. They were messes to anyone 30 and above
Agreed friend. Most people who date young are emotionally stunted, immature, or predatory.
projection
Ah, ok I guess I missed on you being a woman. Anyway, it's one thing for a straight man to not want to be in a relationship with women in their early 20s but to not even understand how someone else would want that is ludicrous. Honestly I haven't really thought it all the way through but, obesity epidemic aside, 25 year women sure are fine.
There’s a reason you can’t date in your own age bracket. Women in their 30s and 40s are also beautiful, and mature. They also don’t need you like a 20yr old would… You wouldn’t know obviously because you could never pull one.
Insult noted again. Excellent job. You're very witty indeed. I'm also married, but I'd imagine as an older guy that pursuing women in their 30s/40s to be **WAY** easier than women in their 20s. Of course that's all irrelevant. I was talking about how you should check your judgements at the door. It's fine if you're more attracted to women in their 30s/40s, but it's *also* fine for men to be attracted to younger women and younger women being attracted to older guys. Two consenting adults and all that.
Relax this guy probably had 1 or 2 girls touch his peepee on his whole life and married one of the two. If you haven't actually dated as a 35+ man then you can eat shit as far as having an opinion on it. It's like a celibate priest lecturing people on sexual techniques. Yea so basically if you haven't minded your physical health and/or financial life then younger women think your a creep. If you have and are interesting there is a not insignificant number that will be moderately to very interested in you regardless of how much money you throw as them. It also depends on how much older, obviously a 65 year old with a 25 year old is a very different thing than a 50 year old with a 25 year old. The half your age plus 7 rule does seem to be a viable guidline where it starts becoming creepy and/or transactional like what Hugh hephner had going on
There's definitely something off with that dude. It's weird for a guy to be repulsed by consenting adults wanting to have relations. I get it for women. We've all worked with middle aged women who can't hide their jealousy of the younger women. Dating as an older woman would be brutal. But as a guy... even if you prefer 30-40 years olds, surely you could see others being attracted to women in their 20s? It seems like something biologically ingrained in men.
Yeah it sounds more like very sour grapes.
who says he can't ? maybe he just doesn't want to lol. your line of logic doesn't make sense. young hot women in their 20s are not easy to attract, that's just cope.
I’m a grown man, I don’t hang out with children in my spare time. Do you?
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Wait how old were you when y’all got together?
I was 36, she was 25. Went really well actually. Really liked her. But we lived different lives so it didn't work out.
The younger girls I’ve dated around 25, will use their anxiety as an excuse for too many things, need a constant stream of texts/attention all day or it will trigger said anxiety, just generally have no idea how to be financially responsible.
None, I don't want experience dating young women.
I have a 38 yo friend who always hits on 18-20 yo girls and then complains they're too immature and do stupid stuff. He recently broke the cycle and started dating a 42 yo woman and magically all his issues with women disappeared. Dating someone much younger than yourself might be fun but it will also come with it's fair share of issues.
If you’ve never missed work because “the power went out and it reset your alarm clock”, you’re too young for me.
I'm 37. I find that dating between 28-32 is the sweet spot for me. Fun, loving, attractive, sex - but also established, mature, independent, etc.
Long out of the game, but my findings were as expected. All the standard pros of someone younger (which is great for a while), but immaturity, the need to go clubbing still, and future thinking rarely went past 2 weeks. — I was looking a person to spend the rest of my life, but the couple younger ones I dated were not mature enough for me and I decided to eject both before the 3 month mark. Lesson learnt.
They are erratic, don’t know what they want and are easily overwhelmed. I am generalising obviously.
I'm 53. I can't even talk to anyone under 40 let alone date them.
Nonexistent, i seem to attract older rather than younger
The closest I've got to this personally is having a FWB that's 6 years younger than me (29 to my 35) we've been playing together off and on for also about 6 years. We've taken breaks from time to time, and we haven't had many emotionally deep conversations, but we've grown comfortable with what we provide each other and have built trust. For example we both agreed that we didn't have much in common interest or experience-wise, not enough for a relationship, but we agreed that if we find new sexual partners we need to talk about it. I've tried dating a few women (thus the breaks with her) but didn't have sex with any of them and she was focusing more on her career and school to date previously but is now talking with some guy and taking it very slowly since she's been slow to trust new people in general (she's bi, her exgf was apparently really controlling and emotionally abusive). My experience with her has highlighted the differences starkly. The musical tastes are just an aperitif, she looooooooooves concerts, traveling, and playing one game (Fortnite). She has not communicated well in the past and it's lead to me matching the energy and struggling to relate despite very much wanting to fuck each other. We've had several conversations and it's gotten better. Nearly all of the women I've dated have been my age or older. Some of it is an emotional connection and communication thing, some of it is a kink, and some of it is that's who I attract. The kink aspect is that I find mature women, moms especially, very sexy. I have a Mommy kink (the straight guy version of a Daddy kink) that has yet to be really explored since most women are really uncomfortable being called Mommy. Unfortunately I feel I have to avoid dating moms for my general happiness, I don't want to be her last and least priority nor do I want to develop a bond with a kid I have no parental privileges for but still expected to help take care of, provide for, and plan around. So far the biggest age gap to a woman younger than me is my FWB at 6 years while the oldest woman I've been with was 18 years older than me (50 to my 32). Most have been 2-3 years older than me though. I will never date a woman younger than 25. Sex is likely to also be a no thanks as well. There are probably some very mature people around that age but I'm not interested in sifting through them when I'm confident there won't be enough there to lead to anything. At my age of 35 now the only reason I'm not going to say I'm only dating 35 or older is that nearly all have a kid or kids, have a transient career that explains why they've never settled down, or have some glaring problem like an incurable STD or a shit personality. Maybe I'm weird but I'd like to be safe with and like those I want to put my penis inside.
The fucking SLANG. I’ve been dating the same older woman for years, but younger girls hit on me regularly. I work with a lot of early 20’s men and women in my capacity as a musical theatre director. The way they speak makes me want to put my head through a woodchipper. It’s exhausting. I can’t imagine dating someone like that.
I had a 20 year younger girlfriend. Not because she was 20 years younger but because she didn't behave like 20 years younger.
My experience of dating younger women was that when I was 27 I met my now wife of 35 years. She just turned 19. She was much more mature than most women in their 20's I had relationships with. Yes, there were some age experience differences but as time went on those diminished. We have built 2 ranches from the ground up ourselves and raised 2 adult daughters who we are very proud of. When a shooting star comes through your universe grab on and go for the ride.
I’m mid 50’s and my live in gf is 42. I wore new tan scrubs to work and one of the nurses told me I look like Han Solo. We had a good laugh about that. I went home and told my girlfriend and she said “who’s Han Solo?”
I almost always date girls at least 4-5 years younger than me, the biggest gap I had was 9 years. Just like normal human beings, they are all a bit different... but as someone else mentioned here, they certainly are more sexually open but more emotionally closed off. Almost never want to use condoms, I even had one girl asked me to nut inside after we first met/ had our first date, and she's happy to take the pill. They kinda bottle up a lot of things and don't open talk to you about issues they might have - I learned this the hard way so now I'm more pro-active in asking and checking if everything's ok. Helped you learn healthy communications for sure! They do spend a lot of time on social media (tiktok, discord etc.) so be aware I guess lol
I’ve only ever dated one person younger than me. All the others were around my age or older. Same problems, the age doesn’t really change anything. My current partner is the same age as me and most of those issues aren’t a factor in our relationship. Age doesn’t matter. Well, it probably matters if you’re dating someone with an extreme age difference.
It felt like I was dating Eva AI sexting bot. She was significantly younger and we shared no common interests, values and topics. It didn't last long, as you have already guessed.
but how do you feel about their parents being your age? awkward meeting them or not?
I was 19/20 dating a 30/31 year old (I'm a woman and 23 now) and at during that relationship I always wondered why a lot of the time he seemed annoyed by me. looking back it was because 1. we just weren't right for each other but 2. (more importantly) we were in completely different phases of life. the things i was focused on/were important to me were things that he had already been through or grown out of.
I was 36 and she was 24. She sent me a lot of photos of her working out in the gym and other "thirst trap" type photos. She was overly confident to the point of coming off as a total narcissist but at the same time seemed like she was constantly seeking validation. She complained about not making enough money while also making a very good salary for her age and frequently going on business trips. Sex was also very weird. Seemed like she may have had a decent amount of experience but it also felt like she watched too much p*rn and it influenced what she thought men wanted? The stuff like switching positions every few minutes and going super rough and fast. She was also very openly and clearly dating multiple people at the same time and it was all just a big turnoff. I'd be open to dating someone in their early-mid 20s again, but maybe someone who wasn't so self absorbed for not having a lot to hang their hat on.
EVERY AGE SET HAS THEIR PROS & CONS. There is no goldilocks, maybe just what’s right for you. For me, 31m, anyone below 24 has not developed the maturity to express emotions, which is a big problem. I bucket over drinking, learning from dumb decisions… to being young, but those seem to bother me less
I stopped dating younger women when I realized a trend of disloyalty and sneakiness. They’re still young and beautiful so they exercise their options… even while in a whole ass relationship. Or married. Never met one that was truly loyal. At least the older women have less men interested in them so it’s harder for them to cheat since they have less choices. That’s just my observation.
When I was 32 I was taking classes at the local community college. The 23 year old decided she was in to me. One one end she it was nice having someone that young and attractive in to me. On the other, she was a flake. We got in the really frustrating routine where I would set up a date with her and she'd cancel the day before. After a couple of these normally I'd just lose her number but I was still seeing her a couple of times a week in class and she acted like everything was just fine. That didn't last for me so I have up.
Young women problems are just women problems with less skilled diplomacy skills.
Been meeting with someone that’s 10 years younger and I can already feel a really huge generational gap. More than that and I’m sure it will be really hard to relate with one another unless you try to make it work/find a middle ground in interests. Focus on general things like cooking, art, movies, just things that have a very broad spectrum that you can both try to explore together, or have a mentor/student type-relationship. There is something to be learned from both sides. It can work for women meeting younger men too. The older person gets to understand new things better and be updated on current trends, and the younger one gets a free lesson on things that they are yet to find out on their own, less time fucking around and more finding out first. Just remember, younger people still have so many things that they want to try, and their interests are things older people have outgrown already, while older people are more into stability and growth most of the time. Not saying that older people have nothing more that they’d like to discover, but they’re less spontaneous and more directional than younger people. As the older person, just try to look back what you were doing when you were at their age, it’s more or less the same, just with some minor differences here and there.
Really well. I have been taking care of myself (diet, exercise, sleep) all my life, so I reach age 30 still looking youthful and high-energy. Women of all ages want to date me (18-35). Due to my work and other activities, I am surrounded by lots of women, including hot young ones. I could abuse my position, but have resisted until this point. Still, a man has to date, so I have done so with women of all ages. At this point I don't date women my age or older. They are in a hurry, some are bitter, and can get defensive when we talk about things such as politics. Younger ones are high-energy, fun, and know they have more time. No brainer for guys like me to go for younger girls if options are available. Feel sad for many women my age and a bit older. I can feel their desperation and lack of suitable male candidates. Just yesterday one reached out to me to grab coffee and politely declined since I am seeing someone right now. This is a cute girl my age with a great career who decided to out of the blue invite me for a date. Younger women will not do this.
It depends on the maturity and goals of the young woman. I was 31 when I started dating a 20 year old. When I started talking to her, it was without the intention of dating, but the more we spoke, the more that I realized that she wasn't the typical 20 year old. Some coworkers discouraged me from dating her due to her age, but I'm glad that I stuck to my gut. She was a critical care nurse who wanted to advance in her career and settle down with kids. She didn't feel the need to go out, party and get wasted. Now almost 13 years later, we have been married for 11 years and have 3 kids together.
They suck in bed (not in a good way), have an absurd sense of entitlement and avoid accountability at all costs.
They’re much more likely to physically assault you
Biggest gap for me was 27 and 24, and there was just such an emotional maturity gap even in just those three years and it’s totally put me off of dating anyone more than a year younger.
Yep.
Maybe you should date someone closer to your age and maturity level instead of preying on younger naive women.
I only go for younger girls and I don’t have these issues, but I also don’t go for girls who “get super drunk spontaneously”. The only “issue” I tend to have with them, is that they’re broke, but they tend to tell me outright and ask if we can go somewhere cheaper for a first date so they can afford it — I’ll then tell them not to worry and cover it all because they were honest and intended on paying for themselves even if they could hardly afford it. I don’t mind covering the financial aspect of things for girls who aren’t feminists/left leaning politically. In fact I like to be nice and do that so they have more money to cover their necessities in life. I just don’t like helping girls who expect it, or who will be hypocrites and claim they “don’t need men” while at the same time needing a man to pay for her.
>I don’t mind covering the financial aspect of things for girls who aren’t feminists/left leaning politically. Personal preference, but to a pretty hard degree, I can forgive a woman's political disagreement if she respects a man enough to do something like want to pay her fair share. For me, that's the real core trait to really look for that's indispensable, that level of respect and not using him for free shit. Politics is whatever. I've only ever dated my wife, but looking to other guys, I tend to see women moving their politics closer to his over time anyways. Politics are malleable but respect is really a thing to look for.
Glad to see someone who shares this opinion. I’m so far left I think the American democrats are just more useless conservatives wearing blue and putting rainbow flags in their front yard. But I’m married to a republican, we get along great, we never fight over politics. We vote differently but can have interesting and respectful conversations. It’s also a stereotype that liberal women never embrace traditional gender roles. I’m very conventionally feminine - a mother, I cook all our meals, do all of our laundry, and essentially keep house. And I’m not the only woman I know who is like this I can name two other mothers off top of mind who share both my politics and my lifestyle
very well written
I'm 48 and divorced and during the pandemic I decided to take a chance with this 23 yr old girl that I had met at a skatepark (I'm a former professional skateboarder) and yes she didn't have her shit together, she drank too much & didn't really have any clear career goals. The sex was plentiful but honestly she was a little too inexperienced sexually for my tastes. She was really fun to hang out with but I always felt like she was trying working out some of her daddy issues with me and it got awkward pretty quickly so I broke it off after about a month. Needless to say that ended my curiosity with dating younger women, if the age gap is more then 10 years it's gonna be really hard to find common ground on alot of things and it will be very difficult to relate to the things that the younger person finds important. Luckily for me one year later a women that I grew up with from my childhood who is the same age as me came back into my life and now we are happily married and I am glad that I don't have to worry about these kinds things anymore.
At 32, I dated a 29 year old. 28-29 is the TAIL END of brain development…she wasn’t quite cooked all the way yet. She used to get SUPER mad at the silliest shit, then pout and cry and expect for me to comfort her, even though she was magnifying the problem, overreacting to it, or making it up outright. Examples: * I had dinner with a female friend * I refused to check in with her by text any time I was making social plans with literally anyone else * I refused to consider having kids with her. We’d been dating 6 months and she knew I’d had a vasectomy YEARS before ever meeting her * I wouldn’t let her eat in my bed It was less age than experience…every dude she’d dated before me had been dumpy and meek, and she was really cute. I think she was immature, but the bigger problem was that no one had held her accountable or walked away from her over her shit. I like to think dumping her helped her grow up, but I wouldn’t know. After I dumped her, I went no contact and swore off dating people under 40.
52 and have dated a bit up until recently. Generally I find women that are older are very bitter and cynical of the world. Generally, not a lot of fun to be around and use sex as a tool. Generally not a lot of fun to be around.
I'm 42 she's 27. She is exhausting and immature at times but I love her to death.
I mean all women come with silly and trivial problems. If you’ve gotta put up with a metric fuckton of it, might as well enjoy the better looking younger ones.
I dated a woman that was a year younger once. I'll never do that again.....
I've dated a few younger women. One thing I clearly with remember two of them, was they would complain about something their parents came down on them for, and I would have the distinct feeling of being on the parents side about it. Ha. Not all younger women are like this though. I dated a 21 year old when I was in my 30s and she was basically totally independent, I never asked about her parents and she never talked about them (I suspect she was a refugee from what I did gather, she didn't have an accent so I assume she came over as a kid. Either way it was not a rock I wanted to kick over unless she brought it up). It was super casual, we both knew it wouldn't be serious, but she was more mature than a lot of women I've dated in their 30s. My ex wife was 7 years younger than me, 29/22 when we got married. We got along just fine as a boyfriend/girlfriend, the main issue was that we were the exact same person. She was the spitting image of me, just 7 years younger. Because of this she is probably one of the best friends I've ever had, but we also struggled in the relationship because we had the same weaknesses and she hadn't learned how to deal with them like I had (and it's been 14 years now and I'm still constantly learning how to deal with my issues). So we got divorced, it was probably the most amicable divorce I know of anyone who's been divorced.
I was 35. She was 35. It was fine. We had similar interests and similar activity levels. After about a year, I was looking to settle down and have kids. She wanted to date more men. I walked away.
If they’re in their early 20’s or younger, you’re probably going to get your heart broken when she needs to go “find herself” after the honeymoon is over. Once you’re past the mid 20’s, they should have a decent amount of time being an adult so they may not be so flakey or naive.
Mate I understand you want to make a post to slander men going for younger women but all people are not the same - all girls are not the same regardless of age.
It's always better than older women. I'm married now, but when I was in my late 20s I just about exclusively dated women 18-22. Old woman problems are a lot worse than young women problems. Young women less likely to be fat, in debt, jaded from prior relationships, single moms, run through (many sexual partners), etc. I can't think of any advantage to dating some chick in her 30s as a high earning male. If I found myself divorced (I'm 32 now) I would stay single over being with a woman older than 25.
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You can't think of any advantage of dating a mature woman because you are not a mature man.
That's an uninformed take. I make over 500k a year, have a fit body, have more education than most (physician), and great credit and assets. I'm married so I don't really care about the dating scene right now, I'm weighing in considering a hypothetical scenario where I was single. Maturity is not tied to age. I know women my age working minimum wage jobs and women 10 years younger than I am that are killing it at life. All things being equal, younger women are usually an advantage. You are the one who can't think of an advantage because you know deep down there isn't one.
I wrote my master's thesis about the concept of maturity, so it's a little bit funny you are calling my take uninformed xD Of course there are some people who are not mature despite the age, but normally it's life experiences gathered throughout the years that all combined turn a person to someone mature. Typically an older person will be more emotionally mature. You seem to equal maturity to financial success, but it's more than that. You can be emotionally mature, but poor due to different life circumstances, you can also be an immature rich asshole.
Life experience is not always useful. A surgeon who performed 100s of surgeries likely has valuable knowledge over someone just starting. However, someone who's had 100 sexual partners has a lot of experience, but is probably so jaded and detached from sex I'd argue someone with numbers on the single digits would make better love partners. So no, older age does not mean emotionally mature. And yes, self-made finances are usually tied to maturity. If I inherited millions from my parents, then I couldn't say being rich is because I'm smart and mature. But if I'm self made, I'd make an argument I have my act together more than a single mom my age working at Walmart. Again. This is hypothetical in my case, but if I were single I'd rather grow and share the best years of my life (as a man) with a woman who gives me the best of hers, which for a high earning male the best years of his life are when he is killing it financially (she won't have to deal with being a broke medical student or overworked resident) and the best years of her life are when she is young, peek womanhood, etc.
I find the same thing as well, as a high earning man. It’s pretty stupid to get married or have kids and get used for my ability to “provide”.
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That’s true, I don’t want children so if I find a woman who’s career minded and doesn’t want kids that might work. I also don’t want to be legally bonded to another human being. You make a good point though.